Anyone with 'sticker shock' is the reason why the American economy is where it is today because they prioritized buying cheap imported crap over employing Americans. Further, the liberals crying about paying more for tariffs while also lamenting how 'there are no good jobs' are a symptom of the deeper problem with America today. Shipping manufacturing to Mexico and China devastated the US middle class. That is why college 'educated' liberals can't find jobs now and are also crying about their inability to repay their loans. The reality, those liberals CAN'T EVEN AFFORD THE CHINESE CRAP - they should simply be adjusting their lifestyles to something sustainable. As the economy fixes itself and more employment becomes available in the US, hopefully some of their 'education' will actually be put to productive use.

I will give you the alternative path the US COULD HAVE TAKEN from the 1980's until today. Rather than import low wage illegals or ship jobs to Mexico and China to pay pennies on the dollar in labor costs - companies invested in R&D and automation in the US. Thus, the jobs would have never left but our factories would have become higher tech needing a more educated workforce to design, build, and maintain them. As a result, it puts the company on a permanent track of lower overall production costs and more goods available to consumers at lower prices.

But, the US chose a different path to temporarily lower costs vs. investing in America. Trump is finally fixing that problem and the US will be way stronger in the future as a result.

A simple question for the board:

Do any of you honestly think offshoring production to China was a good idea?

If you answer no - then you are just whining that Trump was the one to fix the problem. If you answered yes - then never complain again about wages or your poor economic situation as you are supporting it continuing.

"#14 | Posted by ClownShack"

Well, how about you weigh in:

Do you honestly think offshoring production to China was a good idea?

As simple yes/no will suffice.

"#14 | Posted by ClownShack"

And as a reminder - Jesus loves you and we are both hoping that you can turn your life around and make better choices.

"It was COMPANIES who started moving manufacturing overseas to save a buck and enrich themselves and shareholders."

It was companies that moved and you -------- that bought the products that they exported back into the US because the price was cheaper. And after you did not punish the first company for doing it, all companies were forced to follow the lead.

"Reagan ushered in the "Greed Is Good" and union busting. The two Bush tax cuts even provided tax benefits for moving factories lock, stock, and barrel."

No factories left under Reagan -------. This was a process started by NAFTA (Clinton) and fully embraced by the Democrats as you turned your backs on union workers.

"Don't pretend it was consumers yearning for cheap goods."

If a company produces a good and no one buys it - will the company keep producing it? Nope - it was you -------- looking for deals and laughing at the midwest as its factories closed up.

"After major industry from textiles to steel to you-name-it started manufacturing overseas, wages started to fall....Until then, a man without a college degree could support a family.
#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY"

Yep - and here YOU are - fighting tooth and nail against the only man in the last 40 years that is actually trying to reverse the trend vs. telling you goobers to "learn to code".

Again - I ask because you are not explicit - was moving production to China a good thing? If not, why are you trying to continue it?

"Do you honestly think offshoring production to China was a Democratic idea?
#18 | Posted by Danforth"

The ------- that signed NAFTA was Clinton. After that, the whole Democrat party got on board which is why we can still find clips of Pelosi wanting tariffs on China. That was before you sold out your unions for the big donor democrats.

Also, blaming 'Republicans' from the 1990's as if it is even remotely the same party in 2025 is laughable. Those Republicans from the 90's - guys like McCain, Romney, McConnell is exactly who MAGA kicked out of the party. The corporate GOP were kicked out of the party and they are now the ones driving the Democrats.

What proof? Here YOU are fighting against Trump trying to reverse the trend and supporting open borders - 2 policies the Democrats from the 90's would have kicked you out of their party for supporting.

"It was authored by a Republican Congress and regardless of whether Clinton signed it or vetoed it, it would have passed.
#21 | Posted by ClownShack"

It was going to be passed because half of the senate Dems supported it. The GOP could not have overcome a veto - but they didn't need to as Clinton actively campaigned on passing it. The only one against it was Perot - and his views more or less align with MAGA today.

During this time, MAGA was either voting for Perot or holding their nose and still voting Democrat. The GOP was religious nuts and corporate GOP. It is like the modern Democrat party - religious nuts (earth worship and woke worshipers - only the religion changes) and corporate Dems. Unions and working people now are all MAGA.

"The self-inflicted economic pain from Trump's tariffs was dcaused by one man and one man alone.
#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY"

Medicine does not always taste good - but it is necessary to cure the illness.

"Trump IS the illness.
#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY"

So Trump signed NAFTA?

You sound like a diabetic blaming the doctor for cutting their toes off rather than blaming themselves for being 100lbs overweight with a 75% sugar based diet.

"#36 | Posted by oneironaut"

Don't be too hard on him. Maybe they taught pretend history at his pretend law school.

"Both Presidential candidates in 1996 were on record supporting NAFTA, GATT, and WIPO.
#38 | Posted by snoofy"

There were 3 presidential candidates in 1996 and 1 surely did not sign up for any of those. The GOP supporting NAFTA is why all them have been stripped of power in the party and MAGA has taken over. The GOP was an evil party when promoting McCain and Romney and W Bush - all of whom are now seen as heroes of the Democrats.

"#40 | Posted by OCUser"

This is a good thing - trucks filled with cheap Chinese crap that is not actually needed. Port workers in LA and Seattle will be hurt a lot by this - Americans will benefit.

But again, I ask the question:

"Was off-shoring US manufacturing to China a good idea?"

A simple Yes/No answer will suffice.

"#43 | Posted by reinheitsgebot"

Did you get busted in the last pedophile sting or are you still evading justice?

"#46 | Posted by oneironaut"

But Nate Silver is the one out of touch according to the liberals...LOL.

"#49 | Posted by reinheitsgebot"

Were you dropped on your head as a child, the victim or molestation, or were you just born as a pedophile? The world need to know so we can reduce the number of people like you in the future.

Let me guess - your mom was a deadbeat and your stepfather molested you as a kid.

"You'll actually price your products competitively or you'll go out of business.
#51 | Posted by THEBULL"

Which is what drove the offshoring from the start. Once one company did it and was not punished by consumers - all were forced to follow. Trump is finally turning this back by removing the ability of companies to offshore to China or their sales literally go to zero. As I said from the start - the Chinese tariffs are not about raising tariff revenue - it is about stopping Chinese exports to the US.

"Why would consumers punish companies for providing lower cost goods?
What benefit is there for the consumer to punish lower prices?
#56 | Posted by snoofy"

And there we go - liberal/globalist brain rot in action.

As I said, buy your cheap Chinese crap but I don't want to hear a single word out of you about not having good jobs or income inequality because YOU are the reason this is such a problem today.

"He changes his mind more than his underwear.
#58 | Posted by REDIAL"

It is referred to as negotiating. Let me guess, you pay the MSRP when you buy a car.

"It's referred to as "getting fleeced". He's the guy at the poker table who doesn't know who the sucker is.
#60 | Posted by REDIAL"

So, you believe after the negotiating, the terms of trade deals will be WORSE than before Trump started? I ask at that would 'getting fleeced' would imply. Any result other than worse, would imply you are a moron. So, get on record and tell us that you think the terms will be worse before the trade war started - like trump agreeing to negative tariffs on Chinese goods.

"wHeRre ArE tHe CRosStAbS???
#62 | Posted by REDIAL"

The fact that you have no desire to see the actual data just demonstrates that you are a complete moron incapable to thinking beyond the headline.

"#65 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY"

Their unweighted numbers are pure garbage and their weighted averages are little better. First, there is no such thing as 'lean Republican' - hell, Utah 'leans Republican' but they are not MAGA voters or Trump voters. If they want this accurate - the need to straight out release WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR IN 2024 - not this loose party affiliation nonsense.

Second, even in their weighting is is not accurate as they weight 'neither' at 4.5% - actual votes for 3rd party was under 2%. In doing so, they underweight Trump by 3% even in their weighted averages - which are not actually weighted at all given their garbage segmenting. Any poll that does not directly ask voters who they voted for an weight that to the actual 2024 results is a fake poll.

"#69 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY"

Only the discredited pollsters from 2016, 2020, and 2024 -------. Where did those pollsters rate? Here is your list of the most accurate:

"#71 | Posted by fishpaw"

If I continue to force stupid people to say stupid things and take stupid positions, is it trolling? Because the last couple of months literally every position the Democrats are supporting are stupid. It can be defending the illegal, wife beating gang member or predicting the trade deal will be worse - I am kinda responsible as I know they will always argue against Trump regardless of what he does. Just like those -------- vandalizing Teslas.