"(3) The treatment of an ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion and shall not be reported pursuant to Rule 59A-9.034."

Of course it's an abortion. It absolutely kills the fetus.

Any medical doctor who aborted an ectopic pregnancy would testify that they provided abortion, regardless of what the law states.

We don't know why you can't acknowledge that fact.

You have a weird hang-up whereby you think if you tell a doctor it's okay to murder certain babies, you think they should believe you, but you're neither a lawyer or a doctor.

You're a cop.

You are trained to lie to people, to try to get them to admit guilt.

That's all you are doing with your "command voice" posts, quoting a law you don't even understand.

Maybe when the malpractice lawsuits start paying out, they will figure out they can comply with the law and keep their patients from dying at the same time.
#10 | Posted by Miranda7

Completely backwards.

You think a Florida jury will punish a doctor for NOT killing a fetus, when abortion is illegal in Florida.

See, this is what I mean about you've been trained to lie to people.

It really makes it impossible to discuss the issues with you because you're already looking past the issues to the imaginary outcomes that just aren't supported by law or by human nature or by how businesses operate.

Your reassurances about the law fall as flat as a police officer who tells a woman not to worry because there's A restraining order against her abusive husband. Like that's any sort of guarantee.

You try to exploit people's naievete.

The treatment of an ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion and shall not be reported
#5 | Posted by Miranda7

One could read this to mean that it is illegal to treat ectopic pregnancy with abortion:

"The treatment of an ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion. Instead, let nature run its course."

Do you really not see how it could be interpreted that way? Really?

"even in legalese it's pretty plain language that treating an ectopic pregnancy will not be considered an abortion, and doesn't need to be reported as one."

You're really not getting it, and I know you're not a dummy, so I'll point out a few things.

What CPT code do they use for this medical procedure?
The same one as for an abortion.

Put a doctor on the stand under oath, ask them if this procedure was an abortion.
The true answer is: Yes, that is the medical procedure known as abortion, regardless of what any statute might indicate.

You really gonna deny all of that is true, Smart guy?
Really?

it's political theater and pretty disgusting.
#18 | Posted by kwrx25

You're right, though of course the political theater is coming from the guys who re-defined baby murder to make certain kinds of baby murder legal.

Go on, KWRX25. Deny that terminating an ectopic pregnancy ends a human life.

You live in a Clown World of your own choosing.

Where the ---- this KWRX25 at to tell us how unfair it is that this woman is a victim of the libs?

I really cannot believe the extent to which otherwise sensible people

That means you, KWRX25!

have bought into the "Republicans are victims of liberals and everyone else" crybaby narrative that defines right-wing politics today.

This fat ugly ----- brought this on herself, and you ---- well know it too.

You know what your problem is, KWRX25, and that awful Miranda ---- too?

Its not just that She knew the risks when she spread her legs.

She also helped create most of the risk when she banned abortion.

You stupid ----s.

"Doctors know (or should know) that treatment of a non-uterine "pregnancy" is not, and has never been considered an abortion from a medical standpoint"

Well that's an interesting claim.

Tell us what it is considered, from a medical standpoint, and then tell us how the treatment differs from abortion.

In the story we're talking about here, the fat ugly ---- who can't keep her legs closed was eventually given methotrexate.

Methotrexate is the same drug they give to induce abortion.

So just what the ---- are you talking about when you say giving someone methotrexate to abort a fetus isn't "abortion."

"The "medical procedure" known as abortion is vacuum aspiration to suck the fetus out of the uterus via the vagina."

That's dilation and extraction.

There's also dilation and curettage.

There's intact dilation and extraction, which is Republican's favorite boogey man the incalculably evil "partial birth abortion" which is only ever done with a non-viable fetus but Republicans still shame the ----- who need one.

And then there's administration of methotrexate.

All of those are medical procedures are abortion.

Even removing a dead fetus by vacuum aspiration to suck the dead fetus out of the uterus via the vagina is still an abortion.

If there is an legal ambiguity then it should be of the highest order to address in the law.
#27 | Posted by kwrx25

The legal ambiguity was created by Republicans.
You think they didn't know what they were doing?

Oh my sweet summer child!

"Doctors know (or should know) that treatment of a non-uterine "pregnancy" is not, and has never been considered an abortion from a medical standpoint."

Hey Dumb ----,

The medical standpoint doesn't matter.

The Law is enforced from a Legal standpoint.

You're a lying piece of ---- cop, trained to lie and deceive, like in the comment I quoted.

It is both.

You really can't help yourself, can you?

Only one side decided to punish abortion.

That side is the cause of all these problems.

Especially when you use your brain to understand that

if

Republicans had not overturned Roe and passed anti abortion laws at the State level,

then

There would not be anything to fearmonger about.

"If you insist on calling administration of methotrexate an "abortion procedure", then my 12 year nephew has had hundreds of abortion procedures, because he is on methotrexate for a chronic disease."

Great. Now you're telling us a man can get pregnant.

The reality is if he were a she, that medication would be discontinued in a sexually active woman Florida, because it is an abortifacient.

Go on, I want you to deny it's true. Show a little backbone.

You lie and lie and lie.

"Women on methotrexate have always been required or strongly encouraged to use reliable contraception,"

That's nothing new.
You're dodging the issue.
You're such a weasel. Why are you like this?

Tell the class, what changed for women on methotrexate when Republicans banned abortion?