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Sunday, June 23, 2024

FORMER GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D-NY): That case, the Attorney General's case in New York, frankly should have never been brought. And if his name was not Donald Trump, and if he wasn't running for president from the former AG in New York, I'm telling you that case would have never been brought. And that's what is offensive to people. And it should be. Because if there's anything left, it's belief in the justice system.

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I didn't think any of the manic lefties would comment on this because they know it's true. Anyways, didn't do ---- to sway the public's mind (which is absolutely hilarious).

#1 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-06-23 12:19 PM | Reply

It's hilarious watching MAGAts make excuses for the demented rapist with 34 felony convictions.

#2 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-06-23 12:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Had he not been running for President, Trump would never have committed fraud!"

I don't think this is quite the exoneration you are hoping for...

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-23 12:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

ANNNNNNDDDD yet ANOTHER trash thread from the retort's resident trash person.

Let's see if this is any better than the Bragg is corrupt thread.

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 12:30 PM | Reply

Hmmm investigation started in like 2018, Bragg took it up in 2021 like years before ------- declared presidential run.

IOW Jeff is an idiot.

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The radical left and the Biden Crime Family are destroying America!

And now even running for political offices does not shield you from prosecution for criminal activity any more.

What's a convicted felon who wants to be president so he can escape prosecution for his crimes to do?

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-23 12:42 PM | Reply

------- committed the crimes

------- was convicted by a jury of his peers.

The severity of the crimes can be measured by their effect.

Arguably the crimes permitted ------- to win the presidency.

His presidency was an unmitigated disaster whose effects will last for decades.

So, ummm, yeah, this case was far from unreasonable.

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 12:43 PM | Reply

Just more normalization of Trump's repugnant behavior.

#8 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-06-23 12:47 PM | Reply

"Had he not been running for President, Trump would never have committed fraud!"

Here's a little helpful handy tip to you felons out there who wish to run for high political offices.

When you have skeletons of numerous crimes hiding in your closet it's best not to draw attention to yourself.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-23 12:56 PM | Reply

I love that the DR lefties think Andrew Cuomo is a liar.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love that patricide Jeff changed his username after the 34 time felon lost in 2020.

#11 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-06-23 01:17 PM | Reply

Stop posting opinion pieces you ------- MAGAT scumbag.

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-06-23 01:18 PM | Reply

" Bragg took it up in 2021 like years before ------- declared presidential run."

Wow. Only 5 years after it happened and at a time when Trump was sending signals of another run.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 01:20 PM | Reply

" Stop posting opinion pieces you ------- MAGAT scumbag.

#12 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD AT 2024-06-23 01:18 PM | FLAG: "

You would never say that to me in person. You are the guy who got bullied by the nerds when you were a kid. Your overcompensation for that humiliation is obvious.

#14 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sure dummy. What was going on between 2016 and 2021?

Possibly ------- holding an office that shielded him from prosecution? Or was it the fact that Bragg wasn't in office? Could it have something to do with ------- being named an unindicted coconspirator to cohens conviction?

Christ you're mega dumb

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" if he wasn't running for president from the former AG in New York, I'm telling you that case would have never been brought."

What a riot.

NY has filed a case EXACTLY LIKE THIS, on average, every two hours over the last nine years.

I've asked for months now, and have never received a straight answer: Bellringer, can you name ANY indictments Trump faces which Joe Citizen could do without fear of legal repercussions? If you can't, that's NOT LAWFARE, that's LAW.

Can you? If not, please man up and admit as much.

Headline is bullschittt.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love that the DR lefties think Andrew Cuomo is a liar.

#10 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It's not a lie. It's an opinion. On a late night comedy show.

But I love it that you are listening to Andrew Cuomo's opinion.

You are obviously not learning anything from him because you hear what you want to hear .. but at least you are listening.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-23 01:31 PM | Reply

Headline is bullschittt.

#16 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Because the poster is full of it.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-23 01:32 PM | Reply

"Wow. Only 5 years after it happened"

There goes Bellringer again, leaving out the salient part.

Ignorant, or Evil? You Make The Call!

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 01:41 PM | Reply

Why did Cuomo leave office? In disgrace?

Cuomo thinks it's fine because Cuomo did the same kinda stuff.

#20 | Posted by horstngraben at 2024-06-23 01:41 PM | Reply

Why did Cuomo leave office? In disgrace?

No. It's because he didn't double down and stand his ground like magatonians do.

On January 4, 2022, Albany County District Attorney David Soares dropped a criminal complaint against Cuomo and also announced that Cuomo would not face any other charges related to other groping allegations, citing lack of evidence.[9] Three days later, a judge dropped the criminal charge against Cuomo.[10] On January 31, 2022, the last of five criminal cases that had been pursued against Cuomo were dismissed. -wiki

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-23 01:49 PM | Reply

"If it wasn't Trump, NY case never would have been brought"

9,700 other similarly charged defendants on line #1 for you.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 01:49 PM | Reply

No. It's because he didn't double down and stand his ground like magatonians do.

Was not supposed to be quoted.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-23 01:50 PM | Reply

"Why did Cuomo leave office? In disgrace?"

If the condom doesn't fit you must acquit!

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-23 01:52 PM | Reply

" 16 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-06-23 01:31 PM | REPLY"

What crime did the book keeping misdemeanor further?

When the Clinton campaign labeled their opposition research (Steele Dossier) payments to Perkins Coie as legal fees the FEC fined the campaign but they were never charged with a crime. Nor should they have. Just l8ke Trump shouldn't have. The documents case is absolutely .edit but of course the prosecution tampered with evidence so who knows if it will ever go to trial.

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 02:22 PM | Reply

"What crime did the book keeping misdemeanor further?"

why didn't -------- attorneys argue that?

Oh yeah, you're full of ----.

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" What crime did the book keeping misdemeanor further?"

Multiple ones were outlined at the beginning of the trial. We've already stipulated you weren't paying attention.

Have you found an indictment you or I could do without fear of legal repercussions?

Asking for the fourteenth time.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" When the Clinton campaign labeled their opposition research (Steele Dossier) payments to Perkins Coie as legal fees the FEC fined the campaign but they were never charged with a crime."

You're misrepresenting what actually happened.

Ignorant, or evil?

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

my vote is for willfully stupid.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-23 02:32 PM | Reply

" the FEC fined the campaign but they were never charged with a crime."

They weren't charged because it actually DOES go on that line; the line literally reads "legal and professional services".

They were, however, fined because they didn't admit the connection upfront.

Trump, otoh, deducted amounts which were neither legal, nor professional.

World of difference ... unless you're ignorant, or evil.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What crime did the book keeping misdemeanor further?"

You mean these crimes?

The 34 felony counts in Trump's hush money trial
Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.
Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
www.npr.org

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-23 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

drudge.com

#32 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-06-23 03:58 PM | Reply


why didn't -------- attorneys argue that?
Oh yeah, you're full of ----.
#26 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Because logically it would have admitted guilt of the misdemeanor.

Also its not their job to tell the court what crime Trump didn't commit.


I love that the DR lefties think Andrew Cuomo is a liar.
#10 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I recall he was a left wing media darling during COVID.

No. It's because he didn't double down and stand his ground like magatonians do.

Perhaps he should have, sort of implies Cuomo was bullied by lawfare ... step down or else. Why though?

So many questions ...
x.com

#33 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-06-23 03:59 PM | Reply

This crybaby opinion thread is another example of BellRinger trying his hardest to win Eberly's coveted "most responded to poster" award.

Trump broke the law and is being held accountable, that really infuriates his MAGA cult members.

BellRinger wants a two tiered justice system. One for Trump and white conservatives. A different one for everyone else.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:03 PM | Reply

I love that the DR lefties think Andrew Cuomo is a liar.
#10 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You "love it"?

Weird.

Also, none of posts 1-9 make such a claim.

Perhaps, stop trying so desperately hard to troll.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Stop posting opinion pieces you ------- MAGAT scumbag.
#12 | POSTED BY LEGALLYYOURDEAD

That's all conservatives have, reality has abandoned them.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You would never say that to me in person. You are the guy who got bullied by the nerds when you were a kid. Your overcompensation for that humiliation is obvious.
#14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oh Shht! Better watch out! Fat BellyBoy is gonna beat you up!

Let's ignore that fact walking makes him wheeze, he's definitely got a gun somewhere he's sure will prove how tough he is.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:10 PM | Reply

What crime did the book keeping misdemeanor further?
#25 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're really this dumb, aren't you.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Andrew Cuomo is a ------- liar and his brother eats horse paste!!!

~ Rinehitstruthshack

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-06-23 04:16 PM | Reply

Andrew Cuomo seems to have become a hero to the people who hated him not too long ago.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:18 PM | Reply

his brother eats horse paste!!!
#39 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

You two have a lot in common.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:19 PM | Reply

Andrew Cuomo seems to have become a hero to the people who hated him not too long ago.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Link?

#42 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-06-23 04:20 PM | Reply

Link?

Sure: drudge

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-23 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Andrew Cuomo is no hero. The sexual harassment allegations came out of nowhere and were likely done as a way to force him out in order to cover up his much more egregious actions trying to deal with COVID. Notice that since he resigned we haven't heard nary a peep about the allegations?

I will point out that this is a second former NY prosecutor who has slammed this case.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 05:26 PM | Reply

" Multiple ones were outlined at the beginning of the trial"

Specifically, which ones?

#45 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 05:43 PM | Reply

Google it beeyatch

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 05:51 PM | Reply

"Specifically, which ones?"

Not my fault you chose not to pay attention.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 06:25 PM | Reply

By the way, Bellringer, have you looked at Exhibits #35 and #36 yet?

Or is continued ignorance still your raison d'etre?

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 06:28 PM | Reply

"If it wasn't Biden, gun purchase case never would have been brought."

FTFY, idiot.

#49 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-06-23 07:41 PM | Reply

well well....the murdering skunk finally tells the truth.

combine this and Snopes...the scum sucking douche bag leftist tyrds favorite fact check

says you were all worthless lying trash when it comes to the " very nice people' HOAX.

--and that's just 1 of 11 others.

and they add up to.....sucks to be you lying tyrds today.

#50 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-06-23 07:47 PM | Reply

" Not my fault you chose not to pay attention.

#47 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-06-23 06:25 PM | FLAG: "

I paid attention. The allegations weren't specified until the prosecution closed. Utterly absurd.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 08:22 PM | Reply

If whatever you claim happened and is absurd how come the defense didn't raise it as an issue?

Could it be the judge prosecutors ad defense attorneys know more about the law than you?

#52 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 08:34 PM | Reply

" If whatever you claim happened and is absurd how come the defense didn't raise it as an issue?"

They did. So have plenty of other people with a background in law. The Jude was a stealth prosecutor. Even in NY I find it difficult to believe this will survive appeal. And Dems don't care if it gets shot down in appeal because that won't occur until after the election. Which is 100% the point of this case - abuse the legal system for short term political advantage.

It worked! Congratulations!

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 08:44 PM | Reply

This might explain to the stupid people:

abcnews.go.com

Experts used the crime of burglary as an analogy. When a person enters a dwelling unlawfully"which is trespassing"with an intent to commit a crime, that elevates the crime of trespassing to burglary, which is a felony.

Bader argued that even in burglary cases, the jury would need to unanimously agree that the accused entered a dwelling with an intent to commit another crime, but they don't have to agree on what the second crime is -- they could disagree over whether the accused intended steal, assault or kidnap someone, but still find the defendant guilty.

I know jeff won't acknowledge this reality, since he is a lying pos, but the analogy is apt.

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 08:55 PM | Reply

You see jeff, you are stupid, other people are not.

You should give up, go learn something. Whoever tried to teach in the past, just failed. Were you homeschooled by the Manson family?

#55 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-06-23 08:56 PM | Reply

" I paid attention."

No, you didn't; that's your M.O: stay ignorant, for fear you'll lose your precious talking points. Much like you dismissed the J6 hearings as "partisan", when it was basically Republicans interviewing Republicans who grew a spine when Trump came crime-ing.

"The allegations weren't specified until the prosecution closed."

Manure. You weren't paying attention.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 10:45 PM | Reply

Yeah, I was paying attention. If you can po8nt me to where specific crimes were furthered prior to the prosecution's closing, please do so. It sure as hell wasn't in the 34 count indictment.

Serious question, Danforth - what was your opinion regarding multiple states removing Trump from their ballots prior to SCOTUS slapping them down 9-0?

It's not a gotcha. I don't remember where you stood on that.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 11:34 PM | Reply

"Yeah, I was paying attention."

Explain Exhibits #35 and #36.

"Serious question"

Your turn first.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 11:43 PM | Reply

"If you can point me to where specific crimes were furthered"

Federal income tax evasion
State income tax evasion
Local (NYC) MCTMT falsification
Election interference, in the conspiracy with Pekkker and Cohen (where Cohen was jailed)

Serious question: Did you understand the "when trespassing becomes burglary" example upthread?

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-23 11:49 PM | Reply

" Explain Exhibits #35 and #36."

When I Google it, I can't find any kind of actual legal summary of 35 and 36. Just opinions exclusively from left wing Trump detractors. I've tried searching a number of different ways. If you have a link to a primary source I will gladly look it over.

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 11:53 PM | Reply

" Federal income tax evasion
State income tax evasion
Local (NYC) MCTMT falsification
Election interference, in the conspiracy with Pekkker and Cohen (where Cohen was jailed)"

At what point during the trial we're those crimes alleged? I didn't see anything along those lines until the prosecution closed.

#61 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-23 11:55 PM | Reply

Wow. Only 5 years after it happened"

There goes Bellringer again, leaving out the salient part.

Ignorant, or Evil? You Make The Call!

#19 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Im going to go with Russian (see paid troll).

#62 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-06-24 12:19 AM | Reply

#35
www.yahoo.com

#36
www.washingtonpost.com

#35 also contains a decent timeline, with links. Your news outlets may or may not have carried all the facts.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-24 12:21 AM | Reply

"At what point during the trial we're those crimes alleged"

At the exact point the law requires.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-24 12:21 AM | Reply

Danforth,

I appreciate you taking the time to provide two links. But your links didn't prove anything.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-24 12:28 AM | Reply

" At what point during the trial we're those crimes alleged"

At the exact point the law requires.

#64 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-06-24 12:21 AM | FLAG: "

6th Amendment be damned.

#66 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-24 12:29 AM | Reply

Even left wing legal experts have issue with this:

" Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

Emphasis added.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-24 12:32 AM | Reply

This thread boils down to Patricide Jeff supporting a one-man crime wave.

#68 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-06-24 12:33 AM | Reply

"I appreciate you taking the time to provide two links."

I thought you said you'd been following the trial. How could you NOT have seen those two exhibits before? A LOT of testimony went back and forth about them, and what "AW"'s initialing meant.

"your links didn't prove anything."

They absolutely do when you combine them with the testimony of Cohen, and AW's notes. Also, you didn't click on the links, or read the long article. As usual, chosen ignorance.

But now that you've seen #35 and #36, feel free to explain why "legal fees" are "grossed up for taxes"...since that's not how legal fees work.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-24 12:55 AM | Reply

Every day Jeff comes here and posts opinion pieces supporting the convicted felon yet he doesn't support the convicted felon.

#70 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-06-24 07:32 AM | Reply

to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation

Jeff gets slapped around and posts the same drivel every week while not supporting trump.

#71 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-06-24 07:34 AM | Reply

Even left wing legal experts have issue with this:

#67 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oh,,,

Well,,, ----...

This changes everything.

Why didn't you say so out of the gate?

#72 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-06-24 10:04 AM | Reply

Even left wing legal experts have issue with this:
" Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
Emphasis added.

#67 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This has been debunked so many times. I'm out of crayons.

#73 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-24 10:18 AM | Reply

Even left wing legal experts have issue with this:
" Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
Emphasis added.
#67 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Because Jeff can't do his own legal work...

The "other crime" does not have to be in the indictment or even established by the Prosecution. It can be left up to the Jury. See People v. Mahboubian, 74 NY2d 174, 543 N.E.2d 34, 544 N.Y.S.2d 769 [1989]; People v. Thompson, 206 AD3d 1708, 169 N.Y.S.3d 438 [4th Dept 2022]. These other crimes are ELEMENTS, not charges.

See also NY CLS CPL 200.95.

However, as Judge Manchin noted: The Prosecution WENT BEYOND the legal requirements and established what those other crimes would be in the People's Opposition brief and with a detailed Statement of Facts that accompanied the Indictment at the outset of the case. It was also detailed repeatedly in Discovery.

Now watch Jeff ignore this...again...

#74 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-24 11:12 AM | Reply

because they know it's true.

Yawn.

I think ballwasher might have the highest faux victim complex on this site.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2024-06-24 12:23 PM | Reply

" a detailed Statement of Facts that accompanied the Indictment at the outset of the case. It was also detailed repeatedly in Discovery."

But ... but ... but ... Bellringer "paid attention", and he never heard ANY of that!

Just like he paid attention, but didn't know about the central exhibits from the prosecution.

#76 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-24 12:45 PM | Reply

"When I Google it, I can't find any kind of actual legal summary"

We'll have to add "Googling Skilz" to your much-needed Dictionary.

Or was this your usual "one and done", so you could claim you tried, while still holding on to your ignorance-based talking points?

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-24 01:03 PM | Reply

If it wasn't [Hunter}, [the gun] case never would have been brought

FTFY.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-24 01:18 PM | Reply

@#67 ... In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, ...

Now do Judge Cannon. ...

#79 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-24 01:20 PM | Reply

The "other crime" does not have to be in the indictment or even established by the Prosecution.
- psychopant

During the election, TRUMP and others employed a "catch and kill" scheme to identify, purchase, and bury negative information about him and boost his electoral prospects. TRUMP then went to great lengths to hide this conduct, causing dozens of false entries in business records to conceal criminal activity, including attempts to violate state and federal election laws.
manhattanda.org

First is it illegal to do a "catch and kill"?
Apparently not.

If not then how are there are false entries?
Where should the entries have been made to be legal?

Have other politicians, like Hillary been charged the same charges?

Seems very similar below? What's the difference in you expert opinion?

Washington CNN "
Federal election regulators fined Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee earlier this month for not properly disclosing the money they spent on controversial opposition research that led to the infamous Trump-Russia dossier.
www.cnn.com

How could Trump do this legally? Why didn't Hillary do the same?

If in campaign ledger it would be illegal according to FEC? It might, since it's not using campaign funds for campaigns.

This really seems doubious to claim documents violations without articulating the actual crime attempted.

Otherwise how would one know where the legal entities would be for a legal activity?

#80 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-06-24 01:23 PM | Reply

@#80 ... First is it illegal to do a "catch and kill"?
Apparently not. ...

Depends.

If it is done to affect an election using money that can be construed as campaign funds, then I'd say it is quite illegal.

But at this point, I am looking forward to after July 11 when fmr Pres Trump can file an appeal, and the basis he may use for an appeal.

At that point we'll see how much of this stuff being thrown on the wall actually sticks.


#81 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-24 01:37 PM | Reply

"First is it illegal to do a "catch and kill"?
Apparently not. ..."

Depends on the size of the catch and whether it is in season or not.

Regardless, a true sportsman would practice "catch and release".

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-24 01:41 PM | Reply

#80 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

The Clinton Campaign didn't falsify documents. The Clinton Campaign had no underlying crime. The Clinton Campaign didn't attempt to defraud anyone.

But to get back to your other argument:

"First is it illegal to do a "catch and kill"?
Apparently not."

It can be if its done as an illegal campaign contribution. Ask Michael Cohen.

If not then how are there are false entries?
It's falsification when you purposely falsify payments to cover up the illegal campaign contribution, hide it from your taxes, and the payment would violate state and federal campaign laws.

Where should the entries have been made to be legal?
To start, they shouldn't have been labeled as payments for legal services. In addition, they should not have falsely entered the checks as payment for legal services in their books.

This isn't rocket science.

#83 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-24 01:44 PM | Reply

Remember when republicans were the party of law and order?

Now they're the party of con artists and criminals.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-06-24 01:58 PM | Reply

"Where should the entries have been made to be legal?"

1. Admitting it was a campaign contribution. But, of course, that was against the law.

2. NOT as a legal expense on his business records, or his taxes. Personal expenses are NOT deductible against one's business.

#85 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-24 04:22 PM | Reply

#74 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Once again, Jeff gets Fact Checked and Jeff runs away.

#86 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-24 07:19 PM | Reply

@#86 ... Once again, Jeff gets Fact Checked and Jeff runs away. ...

So... I'm not the only one who notices that ~tail between the legs~ behavior?

What is surprising, though, in this instance is that no surrogates seemed to have appeared to take up the battle.



#87 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-24 08:13 PM | Reply

Regarding the Bellringer current alias...

Too Much Joy - That's A Lie (1990)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics...

genius.com

...
I'm tired of the stories that you always tell
Shakespeare couldn't tell a story that well
You're the largest liar that was ever created
You and Pinocchio are probably related

That's a Lie (Hey, that's me playing harmonica)
You're a liar (Yeah, and I wrote this song too)
Lie, Lie, Lie, That's a Lie (Really I did, LL Cool J was over my house)
You're a liar (...He heard me humming it. He said "Hey, that sounds good!")

You lie about the things you've lied about
You even lied to your aunt when you went down South
You lied and a bodybuilder kicked your butt
If you was in Egypt, you'd lie to King Tut

That's a Lie (Just one glass of wine with dinner, officer)
You're a liar (Ahh, L.A., what a great place)
Lie, Lie, Lie, That's a Lie (No mom, I'm not on drugs)
You're a liar
...


#88 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-24 08:23 PM | Reply

" The Clinton Campaign didn't falsify documents. The Clinton Campaign had no underlying crime. The Clinton Campaign didn't attempt to defraud anyone"

The Clinton campaign got fined by th3 FEC. the Trump campaign did not.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-24 09:12 PM | Reply

The Clinton campaign used campaign funds to pay for oppo research and labeled those expenditures as legal expenses. Trump paid out of pocket to Cohen, didn't use campaign funds, and labeled those costs as legal expenses.

#90 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-24 09:14 PM | Reply

Your child-raping hero stole from a cancer charity.

#91 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-06-24 09:15 PM | Reply

a childrens cancer charity.

#92 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-06-24 09:16 PM | Reply

@#90 ... The Clinton campaign used campaign funds to pay for oppo research and labeled those expenditures as legal expenses. ...

Still harping on this?

And, btw, got links? Or is your current alias' usual assertions without substantiation?


#93 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-24 09:17 PM | Reply

- th3 FEC.

a political body, not a legal one... and the vote was partisan, 2-2, which is why your cult hero wasn't fined.

of course, he did try to steal an election, but apparently that's ok.

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-24 09:29 PM | Reply

" and the vote was partisan, 2-2, which is why your cult hero wasn't fined."

The Clinton campaign was fined and not chlarged. Trump campaign was not fined and yet charged. For the same damn thing. No amount of spin can change that fact.

Hack.

#95 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-24 09:40 PM | Reply

@#95 ... For the same damn thing. ...

Yeah, I've not yet seen any manner of documented evidence to back up that assertion.

What's yer current alias got?

#96 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-24 09:45 PM | Reply

- For the same damn thing.

In the same damn state?

Where this prosecution has been used 10k times before.

Your whataboutisms am lame.

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-24 10:07 PM | Reply

@#97 ... Your whataboutisms am lame....

An example of understatement as used in the English language.

#98 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-24 10:58 PM | Reply

The Clinton campaign used campaign funds to pay for oppo research and labeled those expenditures as legal expenses. Trump paid out of pocket to Cohen, didn't use campaign funds, and labeled those costs as legal expenses.
#90 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
The Clinton campaign was fined and not chlarged. Trump campaign was not fined and yet charged. For the same damn thing. No amount of spin can change that fact.
Hack.
#95 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

1. You completely have refuse to respond from #74. Pathetic as usual.

2. The Clinton campaign did not falsify documents to cover up a crime. Opposition research is legal. Illegal campaign contributions are NOT legal.

3. The Clinton campaign reported the payments and mislabeled them as legal expenses rather than opposition research. That's not attempt to defraud as required by the statute. Trump called them legal expenses so they could pretend they weren't campaign related and didn't report them. That's an attempt to defraud.

So no, not the "same damn thing."

Now go hide from this as well, you pathetic ignorant hack.

#99 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-25 01:19 AM | Reply

" 99 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-06-25 01:19 AM | FLAG: "

You're such a gaslighting hack.

The Clinton campaign's tj colluded with Russian sources, which you clowns dubbed the biggest crime ever when you accused Trump of doing it but could never prove it. They used campaign funds, not personal funds, to pay for this. Those funds were labeled "legal fees" just like Trump's payments to Cohen.

Thee are similar and if anything Clinton's were worse. Yet, here we are. I'll remind you that you condescendingly lectured me about Colorado kicking Trump off the ballot as being one of the most legally sound rulings n the history of law only to be shot down 9-0 by SCOTUS. It was too much even for Sotomayor.

#100 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-25 02:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

P-r-o-j-e-c-t-i-o-n!

#101 | Posted by YAV at 2024-06-25 09:59 AM | Reply

The Clinton campaign's tj colluded with Russian sources, which you clowns dubbed the biggest crime ever when you accused Trump of doing it but could never prove it. They used campaign funds, not personal funds, to pay for this. Those funds were labeled "legal fees" just like Trump's payments to Cohen.
Thee are similar and if anything Clinton's were worse. Yet, here we are. I'll remind you that you condescendingly lectured me about Colorado kicking Trump off the ballot as being one of the most legally sound rulings n the history of law only to be shot down 9-0 by SCOTUS. It was too much even for Sotomayor.

#100 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Lying as usual.

"The Clinton campaign's tj colluded with Russian sources"
Well that never happened. The Clinton Campaign paid a law firm to hire someone to do opposition research. Again you make accusations with NO factual backing. But this is typical you: can't address the facts so you make up a NEW fact-free argument.

"you condescendingly lectured me about Colorado kicking Trump off the ballot as being one of the most legally sound rulings n the history"
Also never happened. Me and many other said Trump legally shouldn't be on the ballot. But the Supreme Court would likely save him on procedural matters. AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED?! 5 Republican Justices wrote NEW LAW saying it required an act of Congress. Even Justice Barrett couldn't go that far and called them out for it. She and the 3 liberal Justices said it just needed to be brought in Federal Court.

And look at you, STILL hiding #74 and now hiding from virtually everything in #99. Typical Jeff.

#102 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-25 10:26 AM | Reply

"The Clinton campaign's tj colluded with Russian sources"

Collusion is not a crime!
--Rudy Colludy

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-25 10:50 AM | Reply

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