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Thursday, July 18, 2024

BREAKING NEWS: Multiples sources outline the apparent state of play on Biden at this time: * plans to announce withdrawal from nomination as early as this weekend, with Sunday most likely * Jon Meacham polishing up remarks * Biden with NOT resign the presidency * Biden will NOT endorse Harris * open convention with Harris and about 3 others * super delegates will not be allowed to vote on 1st ballot * Harris is vetting at least four possible running mates, including Andy Beshear and possibly Shapiro

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I had been thinking that he would wait until after the RNC Convention. If he decides to withdraw.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 07:03 PM | Reply

x.com

...
Mark Halperin
@MarkHalperin
BREAKING NEWS: Multiples sources outline the apparent state of play on Biden at this time:

* plans to announce withdrawal from nomination as early as this weekend, with Sunday most likely

* Jon Meacham polishing up remarks

* Biden with NOT resign the presidency

* Biden will NOT endorse Harris

* open convention with Harris and about 3 others

* super delegates will not be allowed to vote on 1st ballot

* Harris is vetting at least four possible running mates, including Andy Beshear and possibly Shapiro
...


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 07:32 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Any speculation as to why she's not considering Mark Kelley?

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-18 07:55 PM | Reply

So, here we are. In the middle of massive casualty causing wars, Abraham Lincoln won re-election in 1864 as did FDR in 1944. But in 2024 a peacetime POTUS who ended America's "forever wars" was undone by a trifecta of terror in the likes of Vladimir Putin, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Donald J. Trump, who just wore away at our Rock of Gibraltar with problems from all flanks. I trust the Democrats will nominate a charismatic and compassionate candidate with name recognition that won't hurt the downticket and who can stand up to those three bullies.

#4 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-18 08:01 PM | Reply

@#3 ... Any speculation as to why she's not considering Mark Kelley? ...

Wait, what?

Democrats and politics, and you want me to speculate?!?

I've not a clue.

I mean, who knows if Pres Biden will even step down and pass the torch?

Unless and until that happens, everything is moot. At best, unsubstantiated conjecture.

OK, that aside, my first question when I read your comment was ... who is Mark Kelley?

A quick search told me that the he is an Arizona Senator.

That lack of name recognition aside... I will say {shrug}


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 08:10 PM | Reply

Well, we are ------.

This will guarantee a ------- victory.

This will guarantee losing the Senate

This will guarantee losing more seats in the House.

You delusional ----- did us in.

"I told you so -------------, go ---- yourself"

I hope you enjoy the enforcement of the Comstock act, restructuring the US Military as an internal security force, destruction of our economy, millions of refugees rounded up and tossed in camps, the ------- 3rd term, attacks against any and all news outlets, death of gay marriage, outlawing of being trans, etc.

You asked for it you're gonna get it.

We are in a whole new world people, Get your armbands and learn the ------- tiny fist salute.

I wonder if the 2016 Anti-Hillary people are starting to rethink their support?

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-18 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW, why is SC Smith wasting time and energy on the ------- cases. Talk about no job security.

Hey Jack, prepare to spend the next decade in hearings and defending yourself in court against trumped up charges.

I STRONGLY suggest Hunter and Bragg and Biden and Willis and Liz Cheney and a few others invest in some good lawyers, you're gonna need em

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-18 08:16 PM | Reply

That lack of name recognition aside... I will say {shrug}

Well he's a former navy pilot and astronaut... lots of PR potential there. And he's an old straight white guy.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-18 09:02 PM | Reply

Name recognition is key. Does anyone remember Hilary Clinton's 2016 VPOTUS candidate?

Here's a college or NFL wildcat offensive play from scrimmage for the DNC:

Request ex-SECDEF USMC Four-Star General James Norman Mattis (Ret.) to run for POTUS. General Mattis can stand up to bullies, his Marines loved him, he reads book after book, and he won't blunder the US into another wasteful war because he cares about his fellow soldiers. General Mattis is 74 years old and about #45 he said: "I've earned my spurs on the battlefield ... Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor."

Lastly, #45's running mate is an ex-Marine (a combat correspondent for six months in Iraq).

Some may consider this a Hail Mary pass, but the DNC is going to need somebody experienced and charismatic to replace Uncle Joe on the ticket.

Endnote:

Dwight D. Eisenhower was the last general to become POTUS. And in the 1930s, the GOP reportedly asked competent and charismatic USMC MG General Smedley Butler (Ret.) to lead a campaign against a popular FDR, which he forcefully declined.

Sources:

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/mattis-trump.html

#9 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-18 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#7 ... Hey Jack, prepare to spend the next decade in hearings and defending yourself in court against trumped up charges ...

Oh, given what I have seen of SC Smith, I'd proffer that he has known that from the moment he accepted the position.

Unlike the Republicans starting House investigations and just embarrassing themselves (e.g., Rep Comer and Rep Jordan come to mind), SC Smith is no dummy.

But he chose to do the job anyway.




#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 09:07 PM | Reply

I like Kelly in either spot, VP or P.

He would be great against JD Mandel, Howie's brother, as he's beaten another of the Thiel Thugs in AZ.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-18 09:07 PM | Reply

@#8 ... lots of PR potential there ...

Noted.

But my first response was... who?

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 09:09 PM | Reply

Americans Need a Hero. They Already Have One.

www.thedailybeast.com

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-18 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#13

Yeah, propping up an unknown?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 09:31 PM | Reply

Unknown?

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-18 09:33 PM | Reply

This will guarantee a ------- victory. This will guarantee losing the Senate This will guarantee losing more seats in the House.[...] You delusional [...] did us in. [...] #6 | Posted by truthhurts

TruthHurts, Biden was already going to accomplish all of those feats if he stayed in the election. As pretty much every elected official told him, from Jeffries to Schumer to Pelosi to Obama. What the Dems have done is grasped a glimmer of hope. Worst case scenario, Dems end up where Biden was dragging them anyway.

I like Kelly in either spot, VP or P. [...] #11 | Posted by Corky

It's going to have to be Kamala for Prez.

"1,400 Black Women Sign Letter Condemning Dems for Plotting to Ditch Biden [...] They reminded Democrats that their support is key, as Black women are the most consistent block of Democratic voters." www.thedailybeast.com Basically announcing that if Kamala isn't the nominee, they'll pull they're support in the general. Same situation Dems faced with (White?) women in 2016 if Hillary wasn't the Dem nominee.

#16 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-18 09:42 PM | Reply

Good, I like Kelly against Vance any day.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-18 09:44 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Unknown?...

For me, yes.

I had to ask my search engine of choice about him when I saw the name.

I had not a clue that he was a Senator from Arizona, let alone someone who might be a presidential candidate.

(who are the Senators from Idaho? Without going to my search engine of choice, I've not a clue)

While i do not consider myself to be politically active, I do try to be aware of news.

Yet, when I saw Mr Kelly's name mentioned earlier, my first response was, "who?"

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 09:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I wonder if the 2016 Anti-Hillary people are starting to rethink their support?

POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-07-18 08:13 PM | REPLY

Not from me I don't. You can deal with it or not. Your choice.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-18 09:54 PM | Reply

The link in 13 is a good article about Mark Kelly... and who he's already beaten.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-18 09:58 PM | Reply

@#17 ... I like Kelly against Vance any day. ...

Well, yeah.

The destruction of Democracy (Vance) vs. the ballot box (Kelly).

For me the decision rests is a higher level that party politics.

Simply stated: I do not want to see the violent attempt to overturn the results of a valid election.

But that seems to be what the GOP (a.k.a Trump Cult) has bought into.

So, for me, it is not necessarily about this issue or that issue.

It is about the acceptance of election results.

Fmr Pres Trump refused to accept the validated results of the election that voted him out of power.

Sen Vance said he would support the efforts to overthrow such valid election results.

Party politics aside, Sen Vance is wrong, so very wrong.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#20 ... The link in 13 is a good article about Mark Kelly.. ...

So, a puff piece.


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 10:03 PM | Reply

Name recognition is what Did Hillary In.

Too familiar and too entitled.

Biden got special breaks from the party too.

Open Convention. That's the ticket. New people.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-07-18 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- a puff piece.

Are you getting pissy like Laura?

Read it if you like, show how it's a 'puff piece' if you like.

It looks pretty fact/reality based to me, particularly his fight against the Thiel Org, and how that gives him experience against JD Mandel's handlers.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-18 10:08 PM | Reply

In a racist society expect racist solutions.

#25 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-07-18 10:11 PM | Reply

Problem with Kelly as veep is losing a Dem senator from Arizona. May end up with Qari Lake taking his spot and potentially losing a Dem majority. So seems better to leave Kelly where he is.

#26 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-18 10:25 PM | Reply

"Kelly has represented swing state Arizona since December 2020 when he defeated incumbent Martha McSally. He won his last election in 2022, dispensing with Peter Thiel protege Blake Masters.

A proud centrist, Kelly is bipartisan, especially when it comes to border policy. Arizona has been leaning blue since John McCain died, but Krysten Sinema's choice to cozy up to Wall Street has placed that in jeopardy.

Kelly on the ticket might increase the odds of Democrat Ruben Gallego sliding into Sinema's seat in November."

www.thedailybeast.com

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-18 10:29 PM | Reply

Problem with Kelly as veep is losing a Dem senator from Arizona.

According to Corky's link the Arizona governor gets to appoint a replacement.

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-18 10:43 PM | Reply

That lack of name recognition aside... I will say {shrug}
#5 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Not a fan of space exploration, eh?

TIL

#29 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-18 11:15 PM | Reply

@#24 ... Are you getting pissy ...

Nope.

I just call your political posts as I see 'em.

:)


#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 11:20 PM | Reply

@#24 ... It looks pretty fact/reality based to me ...

whether or not that is true, I stand by my comment...

Sen Kelly ... who?

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 11:21 PM | Reply

"1,400 Black Women Sign Letter Condemning Dems for Plotting to Ditch Biden [...] They reminded Democrats that their support is key, as Black women are the most consistent block of Democratic voters." www.thedailybeast.com Basically announcing that if Kamala isn't the nominee, they'll pull they're support in the general. Same situation Dems faced with (White?) women in 2016 if Hillary wasn't the Dem nominee.
#16 | POSTED BY CENSORED

As of 2024, there are projected to be 34.4 million Black eligible voters in the United States. In the 2016 presidential election, 66% of eligible Black women cast their ballots, down from 74% in 2012.

You're telling me that 1,400 black women speak as a monolith for all eligible black women voters? How many of them supported Kamala in 2020 before she dropped out, when she was polling at 3%?

Please, expound.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-18 11:23 PM | Reply

@#29 ... Not a fan of space exploration, eh? ...

I fail to see the connection your comment implies.

Taking a step back, if Sen Kelly is the Great Candidate that some here are proffering, why all the obscure stuff?

TIL?

Really.

At this point I am looking to just watch how this plays out.

#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 11:25 PM | Reply

Obscurity is in the eye of the beholder.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-18 11:27 PM | Reply

New people.
#23 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Not gonna happen. It's Kamala or Biden.

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-18 11:29 PM | Reply

@#34 ... Obscurity is in the eye of the beholder. ...

Cute, but that does not explain anything.

Do try harder.

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 11:33 PM | Reply

Problem with Kelly as veep is losing a Dem senator from Arizona. May end up with Qari Lake taking his spot and potentially losing a Dem majority. So seems better to leave Kelly where he is.
#26 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Just who exactly do you think is Arizona's governor and just exactly how do you think interim senators are put in place?

---- it, let me lead you to a bone:

In Arizona, when a Senate seat becomes vacant, the governor has the power to appoint a temporary replacement. The appointee would serve until the next general election, at which point a special election (if necessary) would be held to fill the remainder of the term. The governor must appoint someone from the same political party as the departing senator. Since Mark Kelly is a Democrat, the appointed replacement would also need to be a Democrat. The appointed senator would serve until voters choose a permanent replacement in the next general election.

Capiche?

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-18 11:35 PM | Reply

@#35 ... Not gonna happen. It's Kamala or Biden. ...

If it is an open convention, who knows what is going to happen.

Keep in mind, these are Democrats.

Democrats do not just fall in line with a cult leader as Republicans seem to do.


Democrats do not seem to have the mantra of the current GOP, ~obey and conform, or be ousted.~



#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-18 11:37 PM | Reply

I fail to see the connection your comment implies.
#33 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Yeah. Today I Learned that you're not into space exploration. If you were, you'd have recognized Mark Kelley's name.

The fact that you fail to see the connection suggests a lack of interest in space exploration. Did you read the piece provided by CORKY?

Did it happen to mention that Mark Kelly has a twin brother, Scott Kelly, who is also an astronaut. NASA scientists used Scott's one-year experience in space as an experiment to compare his physiological, molecular, and cognitive changes with those of Mark, who remained on Earth as a control subject?

---- it. Call me a nerd. I think this stuff is interesting. TIL it's not interesting to you.

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-18 11:48 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Lots and lots of money is involved, already invested. You think Biden campaign is just going to hand that over to any Dem candidate? You think Republicans are going to allow another non-Biden ticket member to move forward without lawsuits?

I am NO fan of Kamala, hated the fact that Biden chose her as VP, but they won -- they beat Trump. And replacing her as the "next in line" will bring more headaches than not. Keep in mind, I'm the one that has ALWAYS hammered against the "next in line" candidate; in modern times, they always lose. It's typically the "out of left field" candidate that pulls out the win.

Not this time. Things are different now. Officially and monetarily, Kamala has to be the one to take on the torch. Procedurally, there is no other practical way forward.

Allow me to reiterate how much it pains me to write out the above, I do not enjoy the idea of Kamala Harris being POTUS. But, admittedly, it is far better than Trump 2.0 leading to 2.1, 2.2, 2...etc. I also believe she cannot win.

IOW. We. Are. Fncked.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-18 11:56 PM | Reply

@#39 ... Today I Learned that you're not into space exploration. If you were, you'd have recognized Mark Kelley's name. ...

Actually, I am quite into space exploration. The actual exploration and the results. But not the political exploitation thereof.

So, please explain why I should recognize Sen Kelly's name because of that.

Oh, (after spending some time in a search engine) he has been an astronaut. I also learned he has a twin brother, Scott. Both Mark and Scott were selected to be Space Shuttle pilots in 1996.

Yeah, I readily admit that I do not keep track of every and all astronauts we send into space.

But I do appreciate that Voyager is still sending back data after, what?, 50 years?

So, I go back to my original question...

Mark Kelly, who?

What are his political views?

What will he bring to the ticket?


On the other hand, I see...

US Presidential Election 2024: Senator Mark Kelly likely to replace Joe Biden, according to this poll
economictimes.indiatimes.com

So, go figure... :)


#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-19 12:02 AM | Reply

You're telling me that 1,400 black women speak as a monolith for all eligible black women voters?[...] #32 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

They're not just random 1,400 Black women. They're from a fairly powerful group that has some pull (e.g., past mayor of Atlanta, a former US Senator, etc) so if the Dems decide to crap on them by passing over Kamala ...

Capiche? #37 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11
Kelly has that seat for the Dems for another four years, unless he vacates it. Risking that seat in an off-year special election in a tossup state like Arizona (if the Dems take the presidency) seems like tempting fate to me. Got future Senator Kari Lake's name written all over it.

#42 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-19 12:11 AM | Reply

So, please explain why I should recognize Sen Kelly's name because of that.

I did just that with the twin experiment description. I'm not gatekeeping here, but it was a pretty big story for those interested in humans exploring space.

Yeah, I readily admit that I do not keep track of every and all astronauts we send into space.

You never heard about the unique situation that the brothers offered NASA as an experiment? OK.

But I do appreciate that Voyager is still sending back data after, what?, 50 years?

Yeah, even though there was a significant period recently when it wasn't, yet some of its operations have been corrected, allowing NASA to maintain some communication. Were you aware of this recent nuance?

What will he bring to the ticket?

In the eyes of your generation: Astronauts are heroes, unlike Trump. And, ultimately, unlike Kamala.

So, go figure... :) -- LAMPY

That post must have taken you a while to write out. LOL

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-19 12:14 AM | Reply

They're not just random 1,400 Black women. They're from a fairly powerful group that has some pull (e.g., past mayor of Atlanta, a former US Senator, etc) so if the Dems decide to crap on them by passing over Kamala ...

Would be a factor, IMO, had that been 1,400 Black women surveyed out of a certain sample size equivocating 1,400 as being statistically significant. A "fairly powerful" group though, you say? I'm left nothing more than intrigued.

Got future Senator Kari Lake's name written all over it.
#42 | POSTED BY CENSORED

I understand your concerns. And originally, was confident that Mark Kelley had enough name recognition to be a viable consideration for VP. LAMPLIGHTER's perspective here gives me serious pause, and I'm forced to recognize my bias as someone who pays as close attention to space related topics as I do.

For what it's worth, as someone who lives very close to AZ and encounters "Zonies" on a routine basis, I'm pretty sure Kari Lake's political career is all but over.

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-19 12:28 AM | Reply

@#43 ... That post must have taken you a while to write out. LOL ...

Nope.

Once I had spent the few seconds to get the research done, the writing of the post went quite quickly.


:)

#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-19 12:41 AM | Reply

:)
#45 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

;P

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-19 12:54 AM | Reply

So, please explain why I should recognize Sen Kelly's name because of that.

To be honest, I recognized his name because he is Gabby Giffords' husband.

#47 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-19 01:04 AM | Reply

I recognized his name because he is Gabby Giffords' husband.
#47 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Entirely fair.

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-19 01:08 AM | Reply

These 4 Democrats outpace Biden by 5 points against Trump in key states: Memo
thehill.com

Sen. Mark Kelly (Ariz.),

Maryland Gov. Wes Moore

Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

#49 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-19 01:21 AM | Reply

IfBiden can't campaign then what business does he have governing through the end of this term?

#50 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-19 03:17 AM | Reply

There's not going to be an open convention. Harris will take over Biden's spot in the running. She will mop the floor with Trump or Mandel.

#51 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-07-19 04:49 AM | Reply

IfBiden can't campaign then what business does he have governing through the end of this term?

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-07-19 03:17 AM | REPLY

Keep clutching those pearls Jeff. It's all that you've got.

#52 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-19 07:42 AM | Reply

IfBiden can't campaign then what business does he have governing through the end of this term?
#50 | Posted by BellRinger

Sometimes I get the feeling that you're biased against Dems.

#53 | Posted by censored at 2024-07-19 08:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This morning on MSNBC Biden's campaign chair said he is staying in the race. Maybe she is saying that to give him more time to decide or so that he can be the one to make the announcement that he is bowing out on Sunday?:

Morning Joe
@Morning_Joe
"We know that people are not moving from Joe Biden to Donald Trump. What they're doing is they're saying to us, 'Can he do it?' And the president is saying, 'Yes, I can.'"

" Biden campaign chair @jomalleydillon on Biden's fight for the vote

x.com

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 10:54 AM | Reply

And yet he persists:

Ryan Struyk
@ryanstruyk
New Biden campaign email just now: "Joe Biden has made it more than clear: He's in this race and he's in it to win it. Moreover, he's the presumptive nominee " there is no plan for an alternative nominee. In a few short weeks, Joe Biden will be the official nominee."
9:25 AM Jul 19, 2024

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 12:26 PM | Reply

UPDATE: President Biden just released the following statement:

"I look forward to getting back on the campaign trail next week to continue exposing the threat of Donald Trump's Project 2025 agenda while making the case for my own record and the vision that I have for America: one where we save our democracy, protect our rights and freedoms, and create opportunity for everyone.

"The stakes are high, and the choice is clear. Together, we will win."
12:23 PM Jul 19, 2024

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-07-19 12:30 PM | Reply

How many times has Joe Biden been written off now? For better or worse, he's our first zombie President.

Brrrrraaaaaaiiinnnsss

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-07-19 06:00 PM | Reply

If one doesn't know Mark Kelly via Gabby Giffords, there had to have been a long news cycle disconnect at some point.

#58 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-07-19 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Sometimes I get the feeling that you're biased against Dems.

#53 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2024-07-19 08:39 AM | FLAG: |"

I am. Currently said bias is well deserved.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-20 11:58 AM | Reply

Currently said bias is well deserved.
#59 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Why is that? Be specific.

#60 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-20 04:50 PM | Reply

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