The case SHOULD be simple. The Equal Protection Clause prohibits gender based discrimination for health care.

IOW a state should not be allowed to prohibit healthcare to one gender assigned at birth that is available to another gender assigned birth.

Hormone therapy is used all the time by cis-gender youths to stimulate or delay puberty.

Body augmentation is done all the time on cis-gender youths.

It SHOULD be easy to conclude that to be consistent with the Equal Protection Clause that a medical procedure open to one group cannot be denied others.

Republicans, being hateful bigots, will find a way though.

While I do believe in Trans rights, I really struggle with allowing children to make these decisions. The reason being they don't KNOW what they are doing and don't have the ability to make an informed decision. If they had that ability we would consider them adults.

On the other hand the only time the GOP wants to consider them adults is when there is a crime...

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePet

Yeah, but you see, gender affirming care is not a kid comes in and says I think I am another gender, ok, lets chop off his private parts.

It does not work that way.

When done appropriately (and I am not arguing there aren't occurrences of unethical behavior not adequately treating the child), gender affirming care is a long PROCESS.

GAC may be something as simple as affirming the trans child's gender identity with a new name or through dress.

GAC can be done solely in a safe place like in the home.

GAC encompasses a wide range of therapies, consultations with a variety of medical professionals, issues, dress, language, names, and yes eventually medication and occasionally surgery

GAC can and should and does include professional therapists to parse body dysmorphia issues from transgenderism.

GAC can and should and does allow children to explore their gender identity and be allowed to say you know what I am not trans I am gay or something similar.

GAC can and should and is a process that safely allows the child to explore his or her or their identity in a safe, nurturing, loving, non-judgmental and open-minded environment.

It is simply not a thing that gender affirming surgeries are being performed willy-nilly except in those cases (if any) where the medical professional is acting unethically and likely illegally.

And it must be clear that trans people only want to live their lives, they are NOT interested in indoctrinating or brainwashing your kids.

People can start by considering trans people as human beings deserving of respect.

An ACLU trans lawyer claims 2 year olds know they are trans.

This is insanity.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger

You've never encountered a toddler that does not prefer to play or dress in the normative manner as their gender assigned at birth?

i.e. you've never heard of young boys who prefer to play with dolls or wear high heels and young girls who prefer smashing things or hate dresses?

The point being is that it is better to allow the children to express their identities as they see fit then to deny them the expression of who they are.

Many, if not most, of those young children expressing non-normative behavior are not trans and will not be forced to transition and will benefit from not being stigmatized for not expressing themselves in cis normative ways.

Those who truly are trans will be able to grow up in a healthy environment.

I truly wonder why you think that is insane.

Oh wait, now I remember.

In fact I would argue that most parents do practice GAC in their own small way without realizing it, if their young child acts in non-normative ways from their gender assigned at birth.

Like say their 2 year old boy comes to them wearing their mom's high heels, they don't yell at them to stop acting like a girl.

Or when a 2 year boy acts nurturing to siblings or expresses an interest in cooking or cleaning they quietly support them.

Or when their young daughters prefer to roll around in the mud and are determined to not wear pink, they don't shame them or make them feel guilty.

I suppose many parents do, now that I think about it.

But being a nurturing parent in those situations IS GAC.

Probably 99 or 98 times out of a 100 the child outgrows that interest and can express their identity more directly and they were none the worse the wear.

And 1 or 2 out of a hundred are actually trans and will develop in a more healthy environment knowing they are accepted for who they are.

I really wonder about people who hate people so much.

I suppose many parents do, now that I think about it.

should be

I suppose many parents don't, now that I think about it.

Define transitioned?

I think I made my position pretty clear, even a dolt like you should be able to understand.

You need to create a strawman to attack.

But that isn't reality, it is the fevered dreams of a hateful bigot.

And to be clear what the SC is deciding is whether a doctor can provide therapy and medically necessary interventions to trans youths.

Only scum like jeff think that means forcing 10 years olds to get the ----- cut off cause Billy feels like a girl for a week.

It means providing a child with the loving support to affirm the gender identity that they feel.

That support starts with therapy and simple things like NOT shaming them for expressing themselves or calling them by preferred names and pronouns

THAT is what is at stake

Jeff, being a hateful bigot lies and says doctors are conspiring with insane liberal parents to cut the ---- off of 12-year-old girls who act like tomboys

And again, 2 babies are born and assigned female at birth

One develops a cis identity the other a trans identity.

They grow to age 10, both seek hormone therapy to delay puberty.

The cis girl can get it, the trans boy cannot.

That is discrimination pure and simple.

The courts should have ZERO involvement in this medical situation.

Minors can't get tattoos. They can't purchase cigarettes or alcohol.

Yet, the left wants them to be able to consent to permanent life-altering chemical and surgical procedures. It doesn't make sense and quite honestly it's perverse and cruel.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger

Why is a cis child permitted to get the EXACT same procedures?

Why, when a cis child receives the EXACT same procedures, that is not perverse and cruel?

Until you can answer that honestly you are a disgusting, vile hateful bigot.

And to be perfectly clear, jeff does not give a ---- about children. Not one iota.

If he did, he would show concern about the trans kids who kill and harm themselves for lack of therapy and GAC.

It is disgusting.

That is the clearest of evidence that he is a vile human being. A soulless ----.

" Why is a ***child permitted to get the EXACT same procedures?"

When doctors prescribe those procedures it's due to a PHYSICAL problem.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger

No, it's not

If he did, he would show concern about the trans kids who kill and harm themselves for lack of therapy and GAC"

Chemically castrating kids and surgically mutilating their bodies does not improve their mental health.

#40 | Posted by BellRinger

Kids are receiving medical and psychological care that improves their mental and physical well being.

You're a piece of ---- for implying this is somehow nefarious

If a boy who is a minor wants to wear a dress - go right ahead with parent approval.

Coaching and encouraging kids to reject their biological sex is terrible.

#42 | Posted by BellRinge

Jeff is a ------- moron.

Sentence 1 is GAC

Sentence 2 DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Jeff is vile piece of ---- who does not care about children harming and killing themselves. In fact, he advocates for it by expressing lies.

Laura are you significantly happier since transitioning? (having to deal with the likes of jeff not withstanding).

" The parents still have to agree to it"

Well ... .

www.washingtonlawhelp.org

#45 | Posted by BellRinger

ANNNDDD We catch jeff is ANOTHER lie.

Children cannot receive GAC consisting of hormone therapy without parental consent. But get this, CIS (and I suppose trans) kids can get blockers and hormone therapy as part of birth control.

Jeff just proved the opposite of what he claimed LOL

Depending on your provider, you might be able to get puberty blockers and/or hormone treatment at any age without an adult's consent as part of birth control services.

Prior to initiating unspecified gender-affirming treatment(s), 73.3% of the sample reported a history of suicidal ideation; this percentage dropped to 43.4% following the initiation of gender-affirming treatment.

I realize that --------- like jeff refuse to believe science, but this is from the NIH, you know, experts.

A minor lacks the metal capacity to fully understand the long term impacts of gender reassignment.

#50 | Posted by BellRinger

Good thing that GAC recognizes the mental capacity of children when it is enacted.

You know, by letting the child direct the GAC with the informed support of loving family and trained professionals, assuring that the child understands the process which takes years, including simple affirmation of identity, name and expression changes in safe environments, followed by gender expression over years into more safe spaces like school or public spaces, followed by, if the child and family choose-some medication aids (that do not cause lasting harm and are reversible). You know, ethics.

Look at jeff lie again.

the parents have to consent refers to medication and surgery-see posts 40 and 41

YOUR link explicitly does NOT permit those actions-iow you are a lying piece of ----.

Again, from YOUR link

" Depending on your provider, you might be able to get puberty blockers and/or hormone treatment at any age without an adult's consent as part of birth control services.

This is explicitly NOT for gender identity but for birth control services, you know what cis kids can get too and once the SC rules trans will not while cis can. MY EXACT POINT

and

"you might be able to get consultations related to gender identity if you are age 13 or older without an authorized adult's consent,"

You do understand the word consultation, right? That the child can talk to a doctor without fear that the doctor will tell their parents who will kick them out of the house. This is CONSULTATION, NOT medical intervention.

It's barbaric and the Europeans are actually ahead of us on this in terms of turning things back around.

That it's happening at the same time as DEI which fosters and promotes racial resentment and hatred marks a truly dark time in our countrys's history. Thankfully the tide is turning on both of these toxic insanities. Girls and women are beginning to reclaim their identities, private spaces and sports. People are waking up and the public parental instinct is kicking in to protect children from life altering medical procedures.

#54 | Posted by BellRinge

Despite your feelings jeff, science tells us it is the opposite of barbaric.

In fact, condemning children to depression and suicide because YOU don't understand it is the epitome of barbaric.

And you can ---- right off with your faux empathy with women and girls cause you don't give a ---- about trans boys and trans men, in fact you encourage their suicides and self harm and depression and ostracization from society YOu are a vile human, beyond contemptible.

" of suicidal ideation"

What about suicide rates? Children actually following through?

#59 | Posted by BellRinger

Learn to google you piece of ----.

Any ------- idiot can see the obvious correlation between ideation and attempts.

No donner it goes beyond that

Jeff's link says a child can get puberty blockers and hormone therapy for birth control, but NOT for GAC.

THIS IS THE EXACT THING THE SUPREME COURT IS LOOKING AT!

A cis kid can get puberty blockers and hormone therapy for birth control, but a trans kid cannot for GAC.

That is discrimination and judges should not be deciding medical issues, the GAC is safe as evident by the fact that Cis kids can get the exact same therapy

A lot of discussion when everyone knows how SCOTUS is going to rule on this already.

#66 | Posted by REDIAL

And it will be a barbaric, unjust decision counter to our constitution.

Jeff, simple question for you.

Why can a cis kid get puberty blockers and a trans kid cannot?

If it's a medical necessity due to a child having say early puberty, doesn't matter whether or not the kid is trans, ALL are able to receive that care due to a physical condition.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger

Umm not a trans kid cannot get puberty blockers for THEIR specific physical condition.

Are you arguing trans kid has to lie to his doctor to receive the care?

Or are you parsing that this type of condition warrants allowance of the procedure while this type of condition the same procedure is not permitted?

If the procedure is unsafe, why is it allowed for cis? if it is safe why is it prohibited to trans?

Shouldn't the medical professionals make that decision and not the courts or the government?

Please, tell the class at what point in your life you chose to be a man and who convinced you, you could be one?

#70 | Posted by ClownShack

Jeff isn't a man, he is a piece of sentient ----.

" A cis kid can get puberty blockers and hormone therapy for birth control, but a trans kid cannot for GAC."

A trans kid can get those things for BIRTH CONTROL.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger

If the procedure is safe for birth control, how can denial be justified for GAC?

If the procedure is unsafe for GAC, how can it be safe for birth control?

Why is a trans person discriminated in their healthcare based on the gender they were assigned at birth vs their actual identity?

I mean, is it me? This seems to be the simplest easiest thing to conclude. Allow trans kids the same options as cis kids. Why is this even a question?

FFS this leads to happier more well adjusted people.

Like what the actual ---- is wrong with people?

You don't know these people, you don't have to interact with them, let them be.