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#100 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-21 08:49 PM
Price-to-Earnings (P/E) Ratio: Definition, Formula, and Examples
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The price-to-earnings ratio compares a company's share price with its earnings per share. Analysts and investors use it to determine the relative value of a company's shares in side-by-side comparisons.
Not really, sell-side analysts may do so, but not real (buy-side) analysts and investors.
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First, [trailing] earnings (E in P/E) could be and have been easily manipulated.
Second, reducing valuations to single flawed ratio which does not give a full picture of company's internals and future prospects and, therefore, stock value is a bad investing practice. That's why you may see a stock falling after earnings call when the "company beat the [projected] earnings" as the internals or guidance don't meet expectations.
Third, "forward" earnings is a conjecture, an average of projected company earnings for next fiscal year by sell-side analysts (whose job usually is to "not piss off the company's CEO and CFO" to keep company management interested in their firms' investment services, like loans, market making or underwriting new stock issuance, etc.) so is mostly an unreliable and very variable number, depending on data sources used and analysts' changing earning projections (and PTs) often during fiscal year.
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#102 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-21 08:59 PM
What does that mean?
Roughly speaking, the forward P/E of Tesla is about 10 times more than that of Toyota. So, investors seem to expect Tesla to grow ten times more quickly than Toyota going forward.
But, there's an interesting aspect in the numbers ...
The trailing P/E vs forward P/E for Toyota shows an increase, indicating that investors expect Toyota to increase its rate of growth in the future.
While, for Tesla, the trailing P/E vs forward P/E for [Tesla] shows an decrease, indicating that investors expect Tesla to slow its rate of growth in the future.
Apologies for the deep dive here ....
It's... wrong, upside down and the other way around.
First, rate of earning growth is a different and separate ratio - PEG (Price to Earnings Growth = P/EG ), not direct comparison between P/Es of companies, especially in different industries; e.g., tech sector stocks usually have higher PEG than car industry stocks. PEG of 1.0 means P/E reflects actual [trailing] earnings growth. Lower PEG usually indicates either a more attractive price or faster growth, higher PEG means overvalued relative to current or potential earnings growth.
TSLA was pushed as "high tech, high growth" stock, not as a car company.
Second, lower / decreased "forward" P/E means average projected Earnings are higher than "trailing" TTM (Trailing Twelve Months) Earnings relative to current Price.
Vice versa, higher / increased "forward" P/E means future Earnings projected to be lower than current / "trailing" relative to current Price.
TM --- P/E = 7.56 ..... FP/E = 8.70 ..... PEG = 0.35 / 1.54 (5-yr)
TSLA - P/E = 122.56 ... FP/E = 65.94 ... PEG = 4.61 / 3.02 (5-yr)
Anyway, "forward" P/E is basically a fantasy, TTM P/E is too flawed and superficial, to make any sort of investment decisions or comparisons based on them.
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