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Tuesday, June 10, 2025

There is no such thing as an "illegal" protest, said an expert on constitutional law at Washington University in St. Louis. The First Amendment explicitly protects the right of peaceable assembly.

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There is No Such Thing as 'illegal protest'
There is no such thing as an "illegal" protest, said an expert on constitutional law at Washington University in St. Louis. The First Amendment explicitly protects the right of peaceable assembly.

Lol!

Try that in an airport, highway, SCOTUS hearing, this moron's bedroom, etc. and see where that gets you.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2025-06-10 09:02 AM | Reply

It is if it destroys property.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 10:14 AM | Reply

#2 | Posted by oneironaut

As we seen with the George Floyd Protests in Minnesota all it takes is very few planted instigators to change a protest to a riot. The protestors as stated need to be on the lookout for and shutdown the instigators.

#3 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-06-10 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 Good luck.

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 11:16 AM | Reply

When you can't win an argument or bring anything of value to the conversation, just argue semantics and dumb people will listen to you. Technically, it is true. There is no illegal protest. But you can protest illegally (by not being peaceful). It's so INCREDIBLY easy to understand that I feel sad for so many liberals who can't figure it out.

The issue with the protests is what it ALWAYS is...the chicken and the egg argument. In protests, what came first...the breaking of the law by not being peaceful or the response becoming government oppression before any law is broken. Until evidence is provided that shows the protesters did something wrong, we have to err on the side of freedom of assembly. Problem is, not one protestor I've ever heard at any time of my life has EVER taken responsibility for their actions when they are the ones who break the law first that required the government to get involved. And, unfortunately, both sides will adamantly refuse their side did anything wrong first.

And thus, the broken record keeps skipping and America continues to be the land of the stupid.

#5 | Posted by humtake at 2025-06-10 11:18 AM | Reply

Look at what an anchor said:

"ABC7 Los Angeles anchor Jory Rand cautioned law enforcement from escalating tensions by interfering and said on Sunday that they risked turning "what is just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and demonstrators.""

First off, we mostly know that the protests became violent and destructive before Trump did anything. But, that being said, let's take that out of the conversation just for the sake of argument. This is so terrible that, if you claim to be on the same side as someone like this, you HAVE to see that you are part of the problem. What's next, liberals shooting people in daylight in public and claiming they are just a bunch of people having fun watching people get shot? This is why liberals fight so hard to prevent any property laws from being on the books, they want to be able to destroy property just for funsies. It's so sad. If you get rid of any political ideology and look at the quote above objectively, there is no way anyone can conclude that this is a statement made by a person who lives in the freest nation of masses in history (meaning, a country with a huge amount of people compared to the average). No way at all.

#6 | Posted by humtake at 2025-06-10 11:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Problem is, not one protestor I've ever heard at any time of my life has EVER taken responsibility for their actions when they are the ones who break the law

#5 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

You're lying about this, or too lazy to want to know.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2025-06-10 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is what you sound like Galaxie


As we seen with the J6 in WashingtonDC all it takes is very few planted instigators to change a protest to a riot. The protestors as stated need to be on the lookout for and shutdown the instigators.

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 11:49 AM | Reply

This is why liberals fight so hard to prevent any property laws from being on the books, they want to be able to destroy property just for funsies.

#6 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

You're a lair and a fascist.

But I repeat myself.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2025-06-10 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You're a liar and a fascist.

But I repeat myself.

Again.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2025-06-10 11:50 AM | Reply

IOW

In your opinion any protest that turns into a riot isn't the protesters fault.

I contend these aren't "planted" protesters, they are protestors that don't share your ideals, but are protestors non the less.

The motorcyclist waiving the Mexican flag, isn't an "instigator" this is his true feelings, and many, many people that aren't protesting agree with him.

The problem is YOU can't understand why anyone, you support, would feel that California should be a part of Mexico again.

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 11:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I contend these aren't "planted" protesters

There's almost always agent provocateurs in these super politicized times.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-06-10 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


This is why liberals fight so hard to prevent any property laws from being on the books, they want to be able to destroy property just for funsies. It's so sad.

Its the denial that this is occuring thats so hilarious, its like the Lumper media can't see straight.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 11:56 AM | Reply


There's almost always agent provocateurs in these super politicized times.
#12 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

So you think the FBI started J6?

#14 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 11:56 AM | Reply

Problem is, not one protestor I've ever heard at any time of my life has EVER taken responsibility for their actions when they are the ones who break the law

#5 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Let's not pretend republicans are the law and order party when their leader is a felon and a rapist. Okay?

#15 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-06-10 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#5 | Posted by humtake

Agreed it is about the semantics. Pull out a mirror. When the police seek to force crowds of protestors to disperse and create conflict - what do you expect to happen? When the actions of tag alongs or worse yet plants looking to start trouble do create it, what do you expect? The police don't target them - it is just the excuse they use to go after the whole protest. I don't agree with things like shutting down expressways but honestly, so be it. Protest is most effective when it is seen, heard and felt.

I am 100% against vandalism and looting but then I think back to the Boston Tea Party. The tradition is older than the country itself.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-06-10 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Agent Provocateurs are always pro authority, so try again dumb ass.

#17 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-06-10 11:57 AM | Reply

Protest is most effective when it is seen, heard and felt.

Were the BLM protests effective? Was J6 effective?

Name one violent protest that was effective?

When the actions of tag alongs or worse yet plants looking to start trouble do create it,

You're ignoring the reality, that not everyone on a particular side thinks like you. You're creating a false narrative to confirm your bias.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 12:00 PM | Reply

Trump is doing what he always does, which is to escalate any situation to the breaking point.

Because he is a weak person that thinks cruelty is a show a strength.

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-06-10 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Agent Provocateurs are always pro authority, so try again dumb ass.
#17 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

You haven't proved there are "agent" provocateurs at all.

So then you must believe that J6 was caused by FBI?

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 12:02 PM | Reply

Republicans are no longer Traditionalists, they are Fascists:

"AI Overview

Fascism is a far-right political ideology and movement characterized by ultranationalism, authoritarianism, and a strong, charismatic leader. It is often associated with militarism, suppression of dissent, and a belief in a "strongman" leader who promises a utopian vision.

Fascist movements often exploit social and economic anxieties to gain power, promoting nationalism and a sense of "us vs. them".

Here's a more detailed look at fascist characteristics:
Key Features of Fascism:"

www.google.com

Dwight D. Eisenhower wept.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2025-06-10 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is doing what he always does, which is to escalate any situation to the breaking point.

Oh I thought they were government agents doing this. Now its Trumps fault.

Trump was quite during the BLM riots, what did Trump do during the BLM riots that he caused or escalated?

#22 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 12:04 PM | Reply

Dwight D. Eisenhower wept.

You mean ---------------- DDEisenhower?
en.m.wikipedia.org

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 12:06 PM | Reply

Trump was quite during the BLM riots,

No he wasn't.

Why do you post lies all the time?

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-06-10 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

---------- like IAMRUNT used the BLM protests to kill cops.

www.cnn.com

#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-06-10 12:09 PM | Reply

1Nut's Whataboutisms (from 70+ years ago) are still logical fallacies, because he has no actual argument either to the definition of Fascism nor the Republican examples of such politics as they relate to DJT.

Trump is a Fascist, as is his Cult, and as are the clowns who obfuscate for him.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2025-06-10 12:12 PM | Reply

Why do you post lies all the time?

#24 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Without lies they have nothing.

Ipse dixit justifies nothing.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-06-10 12:19 PM | Reply

Trump was quite during the BLM riots

#22 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Yeah, why is it that you do lie all the time?

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2025-06-10 12:20 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by oneironaut

Nuance is clearly lost on you. Everything is not black and white.

Sorry, but a (singular) motorcyclist waiving the Mexican flag is a protestor. What is he instigating? What are his feelings? You clearly have assigned some. What are people agreeing with?

Who feels that California should be part of Mexico again?
What about the rest of the Southwest that was part of Mexico? You know like Texass.

#29 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-06-10 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

To expand on that, I know people with Polish flags. Does that mean they want to be part of Poland? Seriously...

#30 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-06-10 12:26 PM | Reply

You mean ---------------- DDEisenhower?
en.m.wikipedia.org

#23 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

That was in 1954. Very different times. But even then this poorly thought out policy was very short lived.

A great example of how our immigration policies have been a chaotic mess long before Joe Biden ever arrived on the scene.

Trumpy is fanning the flames of a fire that he will not be able to control.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-06-10 12:29 PM | Reply

To expand on that, I know people with Polish flags.

To expand on that, waving the flags of our allies does not mean we don't love our own country, too. We can be upset at our country but still love it. Like a parent can be angry with their child but still love them.

MAGA maroons are as uncomfortable and confused about their patriotism as they are with their own sexuality. Apparently.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-06-10 12:35 PM | Reply

So then you must believe that J6 was caused by FBI?

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

I believe you a lying little creep.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-06-10 12:58 PM | Reply

---------------- DDEisenhower?

Standard reaction to any mention of Ike. You guys should just post your talking point flowchart so we could just look up your responses ourselves.

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-06-10 01:08 PM | Reply

Trump was quite during the BLM riots,
No he wasn't.
Why do you post lies all the time?

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-06-10 12:06 PM | Reply

I remember Bunker Bitch cowering in the basement of the white house and having the street cleared of protestors with tear gas to stroll across the street to hold "his" bible upside down. This was also where ElPolloTaco wanted to shoot protestors in the legs but the Sec of Def said he couldn't. I doubt the DUI hire now would have such self restraint.

#35 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-06-10 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Problem is, not one protestor I've ever heard at any time of my life has EVER taken responsibility for their actions when they are the ones who break the law

#5 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

You and your ipse dixit. I doubt you have ever gotten your fat arse off the couch long enough to go to a protest or even meet an actual protester.

Protesters many times literally volunteer to be arrested and face the consequences for their decision to protest.

Civil disobedience is a part of America's soul.

Are you sure you are an American?

You sure don't sound like one.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-06-10 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


Standard reaction to any mention of Ike. You guys should just post your talking point flowchart so we could just look up your responses ourselves.
#34 | Posted by REDIAL

Oh the irony, now do Hitler/Lewzer.

#37 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 03:06 PM | Reply

Marines that deployed to Los Angeles have not yet responded to immigration protests

apnews.com

This may just be a LA gay-cation for the Boys.

Trump will be SO pissed if there's no blood for his 'Insurrectionists!' plan.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2025-06-10 03:17 PM | Reply

This is too funny, points to Alex's provocateur being only government related BS.

Far-left extremists on Reddit have been urging people to bring or give out U.S. flags because they are concerned that the public seeing the reality of the insurrection being driven by violent loyalty to foreign nations is bad PR.

Grassroots LMAO

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 03:42 PM | Reply

You can't even define insurrection.

Not without X.com. Liteweight.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-06-10 03:55 PM | Reply

He always orders the Orange Chicken.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2025-06-10 04:07 PM | Reply

#39 | Posted by oneironaut

Links or it didn't happen. You must have oodles.

#42 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2025-06-10 04:11 PM | Reply

the insurrection being driven by violent loyalty to foreign nations

It's all projection with you people. J6 was exactly that.

#43 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-06-10 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


It's all projection with you people. J6 was exactly that.
#43 | Posted by Alexandrite a

See you can't kick the can down the road when a protest in your name is waving Mexican and Palestinian flags, demanding not to follow the US constitution and Federal Laws.

I mean you can try, but in all seriousness, the people waving those flags really do want that area of the US to be Mexico or Palestine, and similar to the J6er do not want the US to execute its laws.

You still haven't answered the question, if provocateurs are at every political event, and they are government plants (only a dumass would assume otherwise according to you), was J6 agitated by the government?

#44 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 05:35 PM | Reply

- the people waving those flags really do want that area of the US to be Mexico or Palestine,

You're so full of ---.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2025-06-10 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Links or it didn't happen. You must have oodles.

#42 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Imagine having to tell people to bring American flags for the optics. Incredible.
www.reddit.com

LMAO.

#46 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 05:43 PM | Reply

"was J6 agitated by the government?"

Gee, what do you think?

#47 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-06-10 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


You're so full of ---.
#45 | Posted by Corky

No, I am not, look I understand in a parade or cinco de mayo, or like when my President Xi visited SFO.

But at a protest? really? you'd have to be either a government provocateur or want an insurrection to be waving the flag of a foreign country at a protest.

#48 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 05:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


Gee, what do you think?
#47 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

You aren't too bright are you doc? I mean its cute name, but when I quoted the book you had no idea what I was talking about.

But to answer the question, I doubt it, but Alex thinks and claims it was, and you'd have to be dumass if you didn't believe him.

#49 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-06-10 05:54 PM | Reply

You're lying again. My answer is in # 17.

Read it as many time as you need to.

#50 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-06-10 07:02 PM | Reply

Terry Moran was fired from ABC today for speaking truth to power.

#51 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-06-10 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This thread is a pointless waste of time.

#52 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-06-10 10:46 PM | Reply

#49
Take a class in logic.
You will be utterly flummoxed.

#53 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-06-11 05:18 AM | Reply

#49
Take a class in logic.
You will be utterly flummoxed.

#54 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-06-11 05:19 AM | Reply

#49
"when I quoted the book you had no idea what I was talking about."

What are you babbling about now? Ed Abbey's book? Are you assuming I read all of your posts? Wow. So needy. Too funny.

#55 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-06-11 05:26 AM | Reply

#49 "when I quoted the book you had no idea what I was talking about."

What are you babbling about now? Ed Abbey's book? Are you assuming I read all of your posts? Wow. So needy. Too funny.

#56 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-06-11 05:26 AM | Reply

When did so many Democrats become naieve/stupid enough to support ANTIFA type violence? Who pays them and sponsors it? Most rioters are young and noisy and without common sense and would quickly become out of control mobs.

#57 | Posted by Robson at 2025-06-11 09:36 AM | Reply

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