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Tuesday, April 15, 2025

The Trump administration has deported 17 more alleged gang members to El Salvador, the US state department has said, despite legal battles over removing people to the Central American country's supermax prison.

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U.S. officials sent migrants to a prison in El Salvador, calling them gang members. But we found little evidence of criminal backgrounds or links to a Venezuelan gang.

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-- The New York Times (@nytimes.com) April 15, 2025 at 12:28 PM

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Sources have said the immigrants did not have notice or hearing. They were internally "vetted".

Trump tells SCOTUS to ---- itself.

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-04-13 09:17 PM | Reply

#1 Never forget:
Time to hijack a plane and fly it into the Supreme Court. #5 Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 08:54 PM

#2 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-04-13 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Never forget
Gracie is a soulless magat ----

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-04-13 09:45 PM | Reply

Time to hijack a plane and fly it into the Supreme Court. #5 Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-10 08:54 PM

Timestamp notwithstanding,
Do you remember when I said that?
It was after the Supreme Court ruled against Trump.

I regret to inform you that you did not get the joke.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-13 10:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Except they're not "gang members".

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-13 11:20 PM | Reply

MAGATS ------- don't know the history of MS-13, they're primarily U.S. citizens.

#6 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-13 11:21 PM | Reply

Citizens who cross Trump are next.

Think I'm kidding?

Bookmark this post.

This Won't End Peacefully.

Unless Americans are the biggest Wimps imaginable.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-14 12:59 AM | Reply

Stay in Moscow, junior. Wait for the drones to take you out.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-04-14 02:53 AM | Reply

I regret to inform you that you did not get the joke.

#4 | Posted by snoofy

That cheap gin sodden ghoul doesn't get much of anything.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2025-04-14 10:27 AM | Reply

Snoopy is in trouble if he only has beanie and JpW defending what he said. Life is good. TooTles.

#10 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-04-14 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I didn't defend a thing you vapid piece of s^%*.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2025-04-14 02:04 PM | Reply

The truth is an affirmative defense, though I'm not sure Republicans can really understand why, given their predilection for Alternate Facts and Alternate Electors.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-14 02:08 PM | Reply

#10 | Posted by gracieamazed

You're about as useless as a screendoor on a submarine, ----.

Swallow it.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-04-14 02:17 PM | Reply

#13 GDS GDS GDS Fap, fap, fap. I get it, you and your ilk bathe in Teflon. While you should be embarrassed by that, you aren't.

#14 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-04-14 02:44 PM | Reply

Maybe you cucks should go over to kaotic.com and take a look at how gang members in hispanic countries deal with people.

And if you still like these criminals, I hope one visits you personally like they do in those videos.

Trump is right on these cases. Deport them. Get them away from our women and children.

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2025-04-14 09:35 PM | Reply

Boaz can't protect his own women and children.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-14 09:43 PM | Reply

Lefties LOVE the terrorists Biden imported into our country.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-15 12:54 AM | Reply

gracieamazed, boaz, and BellRinger can't even defend Trump.

They've given up and are now just trying to pathetically troll.

I love watching the Trumpers and Republican Party implode from abject stupidity.

Every day more and more of the American public is thinking, "These people are morons."

#Sad

#18 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-04-15 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Lefties LOVE the terrorists Biden imported into our country.
#17 | Posted by BellRinger"

They love being victimized in their deep blue -------- cities. Maybe it is like in religious cults where they do self-flagellation to repent for their sins - in this case, it is their sin of being white.

#19 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-04-15 07:31 PM | Reply

The problem isn't the deportation of gang members to El Salvador it is the deportation "without due process" and in one particular case (Kilmar Abrego Garcia) "in violation of a court order"! Since there is an outstanding deportation order, bring him back and deport him to some other country; just not El Salvador!

No. The feds (Trump) want to make a point. They are purposefully picking a fight with the judiciary to see how far they can push the issue. SCOTUS will get this case again because the judge seems adamant to have her rulings followed and DOJ will certainly appeal. SCOTUS doesn't want to set up the scenario where Trump is in open defiance of their rulings so they will try to be as vague as possible and they will keep getting these cases over and over again because lower court judges just don't see things the way they do.

#20 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-04-16 05:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Boaz sides with the Nazi Trump regime

#21 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-04-16 08:05 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by snoofy

So Gracie sites a comment without context? Typical MAGAt.

#22 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-04-16 01:10 PM | Reply

Boaz sides with the Nazi Trump regime

And Hamburgler sides with someone from another nation, a criminal and gang member.

What a -----.

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2025-04-16 02:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

No dumb objections, no stupid asylum claims, no further delays, no stupid courts getting in the way.

WE'RE GETTING THE ILLEGAL ALIENS THE ---- OUT!!!

Just like we voted for, go eat ---- libs

#24 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-04-16 03:17 PM | Reply

"WE'RE GETTING THE ILLEGAL ALIENS THE ---- OUT!"

Not really.

We have gotten maybe one percent of one percent out.

And in doing so, we have blatantly ignored the Constitution, the Judicial Branch, and common sense.

(Also, you moved the goalposts from violent criminal illegals aliens to migrant workers and hairdressers.)

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-16 03:23 PM | Reply

WE'RE GETTING THE ILLEGAL ALIENS THE ---- OUT!!!

#24 | POSTED BY THEBULL

Donald Trump is a Liar.

You're being lied to.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2025-04-16 03:29 PM | Reply

No dumb objections, no stupid asylum claims, no further delays, no stupid courts getting in the way.
WE'RE GETTING THE ILLEGAL ALIENS THE ---- OUT!!!
Just like we voted for, go eat ---- libs
#24 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-04-16 03:17 PM

So, just bypass all law, moral and ethical concerns and sit back while children are once again caged, separated never to see their parents again.

Or, do you mean just the terrorists and alien enemies? "Their toddling right for us!!"

As an incel, doesn't it impact you when people realize you are pretarded?

Maybe do it in Spanish so more people you "think about" are informed?

#27 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-04-16 03:30 PM | Reply

No dumb objections, no stupid asylum claims, no further delays, no stupid courts getting in the way.

Don't you just wish!? Nazis don't have time for any of that "due process" nonsense.

Meanwhile the Trumpy admin is being held in contempt of court.

A constitutional crisis is just a small step away.

probable cause exists to find the Government in criminal contempt

I guess Trumpy just wants to spend more time in court.

So y'all have fun with that!

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-16 06:13 PM | Reply

Boaz is a moron because he believes that Trump is actually deporting gang members. Boaz is either a Nazi and knows this, or he is incapable of discerning obvious odious bull$#!+. Boaz also doesn't care about our Constitution that he swore to defend (because Nazi), or he is naively unaware of due process.

#29 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-04-16 07:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

abcnews.go.com

Fcnking @$$#013

#30 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-04-16 07:27 PM | Reply

Goodbye illegals!

#31 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-04-17 12:14 PM | Reply

"And in doing so, we have blatantly ignored the Constitution, the Judicial Branch, and common sense."

Where in the constitution does it say that non-citizens have a right to green cards?

The US has no legal obligation under International Humanitarian Law to offer residency to any non-citizens. Conversely, even an absolute monster who holds US citizenship, even if from another country, has constitutional rights.

Policies for non-citizens in the US is just that. Policy. And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the US could change its policy and kick out all legal non-citizen residents. Hell, the US government could make it illegal for any non-citizens to step foot in the US if it wanted to.

I know that living here in Germany, if I annoy them, they have every right to kick me out.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-17 12:50 PM | Reply

"Where in the constitution does it say that non-citizens have a right to green cards?"

That's not the issue.

"The US has no legal obligation under International Humanitarian Law to offer residency to any non-citizens."

Still not the issue.

You swore an Oath to a Constitution, but you don't understand the Constitution.

Were you lying when you did that?

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-17 12:55 PM | Reply

Goodbye illegals!

#31 | POSTED BY THEBULL

There is no such thing as an "illegal".

What exactly is an "illegal"? A sick bird?

You sound like a sick bird. ( a parrot)

Good bye sick birds!

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-17 01:04 PM | Reply

Just like we voted for..

lol

Just because you "voted" to violate the law and the U.S. constitution doesn't mean you get to do so.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-17 01:07 PM | Reply

I know that living here in Germany, if I annoy them, they have every right to kick me out.

#32 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That's why we don't have to speak German in America dummy.

America is not Germany. They have their own constitution. I haven't read it. Are all "persons" guaranteed due process there?

Like the Fourteenth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment includes a due process clause stating that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law".

And it's not about "offering residency".

I pretty sure that after this man is brought back and gets his "due process" he will be immediately deported again.

Unless it is held up in the courts for 4 years which is entirely possible.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-17 01:17 PM | Reply

#33

You say that IHL isn't the issue. The constitution isn't the issue.

So what is the issue?

What else is there?

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-17 01:18 PM | Reply

"America is not Germany. They have their own constitution. I haven't read it. Are all "persons" guaranteed due process there?"

Due process is I am not a citizen and have no constitutional right to be here.

It's the same in the US. Any "due process" is federal policy that exists outside of the constitution. And policy can be changed.

"Like the Fourteenth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment includes a due process clause stating that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"."

And that applies to every human on earth? That applied to the Japanese soldiers who invaded the US in WWII? Or the British soldiers who invaded 150 years prior to that?

"I'm pretty sure that after this man is brought back and gets his "due process" he will be immediately deported again."

Why would he be brought back? He is a citizen of El Salvador. He's in El Salvador. He's not a legal resident. If he did come back, it would be an in-extremis exemption to policy-driven almost solely by emotion.

The dude was an illegal immigrant. So far as I know, there is no policy exemption that provides legal resident status because they stayed in the US and didn't cause trouble.

I think this dude (and all the others) will stay in prison until the US stops paying for El Salvador to keep them there. Then they will be encouraged to sneak back into the US.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-17 01:27 PM | Reply

"Due process is I am not a citizen and have no constitutional right to be here."

As I stated before,

You swore an Oath, but you don't even know what you swore to do.

"Like the Fourteenth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment includes a due process clause stating that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"."

"And that applies to every human on earth"

Nope. It applies to every human under the jurisdiction of the United States.

You swore to uphold that. Did you know that?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-17 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Policies for non-citizens in the US is just that. Policy."

BS.

Read the damn constitution or maybe STFU about things you don't understand.

no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law".

How much clearer does it need to be for you people?

So unless you are redefining immigrants as nonpersons you should probably just stop with this line of obviously maga inspired nonsense.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-17 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So far as I know, there is no policy exemption that provides legal resident status because they stayed in the US and didn't cause trouble."

Sure.

The policy is everyone gets Due Process.

What Trump did -- deportation without due process -- is where Trump gave Trump a policy exemption.

Do you get it or do you need to keep being stupid for another half dozen posts?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-17 01:32 PM | Reply

"And that applies to every human on earth"

My quote was directly from the U.S. constitution.

Which amendment in the U.S. constitution is that quoted from?

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-17 01:34 PM | Reply

"Due process is I am not a citizen and have no constitutional right to be here."

Again. This is NOT Germany.

Due process has specific definition with regards to the U.S. constitution.

And that ain't it.

In the context of U.S. Constitutional law, due process guarantees that legal matters are resolved according to established rules and principles, ensuring fairness and preventing arbitrary government action. It's a safeguard against government overreach, protecting fundamental rights to life, liberty, and property. Due process is enshrined in both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, applying to both civil and criminal matters.

law.justia.com

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-17 01:40 PM | Reply

"Nope. It applies to every human under the jurisdiction of the United States."

Which is whom?

Were the Japanese invaders in the Aleutian Islands under the jurisdiction of the United States?

If not, why not?

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-17 01:50 PM | Reply

"My quote was directly from the U.S. constitution."

Understood.

Are you arguing that the Japanese soldiers who invaded the Aleutian Islands were entitled to "Due Process" under the constitution?

A better questions. What "due process" was Kilmar Abrego Garcia denied? The opportunity to present that he was a legal resident? So far as I know, he was not. Through policy, he had been permitted to stay in the US, but that does not mean that the government can't adjust policy to determine that he is not allowed to stay.

So how would "due process" have changed this outcome? The only thing I can think of is he would have been sent straight back to El Salvador, rather than to a prison. Thoughts?

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-17 01:58 PM | Reply

"Again. This is NOT Germany."

So, my next question would be, is there anyone who doesn't have a legal right to reside in the US?

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-17 02:00 PM | Reply

So how would "due process" have changed this outcome?

46 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Maybe it would not have.

Not remotely the point.

Due process is a goal and value in itself.

#47 | Posted by Zed at 2025-04-17 02:06 PM | Reply

Were the Japanese invaders in the Aleutian Islands under the jurisdiction of the United States?

Probably, if they were POWs. There was an actual war going on then.

#48 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-04-17 02:52 PM | Reply

So, my next question would be, is there anyone who doesn't have a legal right to reside in the US?

#46 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

So my question would be ... Who gets to decide what your legal rights are? The president or a court of law?

You really want a convicted felon and twice impeached wannabe dictator interpreting the law for you?

Is that not what getting your "due process" is all about? Determining your legal status?

Once it is legally determined or adjudicated that you are not here legally THEN the President gets to toss them .. ie faithfully enforce the law.

There is nothing in the constitution that allows for a President to "gleefully" and corruptly ignore or reinterpret the law.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-04-17 02:59 PM | Reply

"Were the Japanese invaders in the Aleutian Islands under the jurisdiction of the United States?"

What's that got to do with the migrants in this case, people who under US jurisdiction who were denied Due Process?

Directly address the migrants in this case, people under US jurisdiction who were denied Due Process.

Or just keep jerking off. I'm pretty sure you're gonna just keep jerking off.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-17 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He's just tugging on a limp noodle.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-17 04:41 PM | Reply

"So how would "due process" have changed this outcome?"

Well, for starters, a judge ordered the plane not to take off.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-17 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, my next question would be, is there anyone who doesn't have a legal right to reside in the US?

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-17 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes. Discovering that is what due process is for you chump.

#53 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-17 04:48 PM | Reply

"So, my next question would be, is there anyone who doesn't have a legal right to reside in the US?"

Great question, because you just pnwed yourself with it.
Who decides if something is legal or illegal?
Is that for the Courts to decide? Congress? The Executive Branch?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-17 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

is there anyone who doesn't have a legal right to reside in the US?

A legal right?

Depends on their skin color.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-17 04:56 PM | Reply

Madbomber has killed for a government he doesn't understand.

Made a good living doing it.

Now basic civics and the bill of rights is too much for him to comprehend.

All persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are protected by the bill of rights. Citizens are Not the only class of persons so protected.

If he's here he's covered..Period.

Sheesh, what a dope.

#56 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-17 04:59 PM | Reply

"What's that got to do with the migrants in this case, people who under US jurisdiction who were denied Due Process?"

Does that mean anyone on a flight landing in the US without proper entry documentation has a legal right to a judicial hearing to determine whether or not they are allowed to stay in the US?

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 01:57 AM | Reply

"Is that for the Courts to decide? Congress? The Executive Branch?"

Congress (and possibly the executive branch) determines what constitutes legality. The courts determine whether or not those policies comply with the constitution.

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 01:59 AM | Reply

"Well, for starters, a judge ordered the plane not to take off."

At least one of the planes was already in the air. And the detention center from which the detainees departed is on the border with Mexico. That aircraft was out of US control within minutes of takeoff.

#59 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 02:01 AM | Reply

go read the fifth amendment, guy.

it, and the subsequent interpretation of it, is pretty clear. So clear in fact, that Trump the moron has invoked it to save his skin dozens of times.

#60 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-18 02:05 AM | Reply

Does that mean anyone on a flight landing in the US without proper entry documentation has a legal right to a judicial hearing to determine whether or not they are allowed to stay in the US?
#57 | Posted by madbomber

Maybe we should start at the beginning;

Under whose jurisdiction does anyone on a flight landing in the US without proper entry documentation find themselves?

Answer the question, --------.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 09:25 AM | Reply

#60

Due process to determine what?

Is it a constitutional violation for CBP to turn away a non-citizen tourist who has landed at a US airport? If not, why?

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 09:44 AM | Reply

how do you know theyre a non citizen without due process?

jfc.

#63 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-04-18 09:48 AM | Reply

"a non-citizen tourist who has landed at a US airport"

These cases are about people who are already inside the United States.

Not people arriving at the border.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:11 AM | Reply

"how do you know theyre a non citizen without due process?"

By looking at their passport. And that's not even a citizenship thing. You can get a passport as a legal resident.

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:12 AM | Reply

"These cases are about people who are already inside the United States."

Someone landing at an airport is already inside the United States, and as I understand it from your argument, therefor subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

So why would turning them away without "due process" not be a violation of their 5th amendment rights? What legal distinction is there between someone who has been in the US for minutes or years?

#66 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:14 AM | Reply

So why would turning them away without "due process" not be a violation of their 5th amendment rights?

Have you tried asking Alexa?

Ask her to explain it at an eighth grade reading level, so you have a better chance of understanding.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:20 AM | Reply

"turning them away"

The topic here is people being placed under arrest.

Maybe someday you'll want to discuss the topic.

But not today.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:21 AM | Reply

"Ask her to explain it at an eighth grade reading level, so you have a better chance of understanding."

Why don't you explain it to me?

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:21 AM | Reply

I did explain it to you. You decided not to listen.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:37 AM | Reply

Here, I'll show you again where you choose to stop listening:

"So why would turning them away without "due process" not be a violation of their 5th amendment rights?"

But that's not what happened.
They were not turned away.
These people were detained.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:38 AM | Reply

"The topic here is people being placed under arrest."

Sure.

Anyone who is placed under arrest in the US is entitled to the same rights.

Is someone arguing that this isn't the case?

#72 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:39 AM | Reply

"Anyone who is placed under arrest in the US is entitled to the same rights."

What rights?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:40 AM | Reply

"These people were detained."

OK?

What does that have to do with due process?

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:42 AM | Reply

What rights?

Your rights.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:43 AM | Reply

Did Kilmar get his rights?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:49 AM | Reply

"What does that have to do with due process?"

Due process is everyone's right.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:49 AM | Reply

Anyone who is placed under arrest in the US is entitled to the same rights.
Is someone arguing that this isn't the case?
#72 | Posted by madbomber

Yes, you are, and Trump is.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 10:50 AM | Reply

"Did Kilmar get his rights?"

No. His deportation went against a judge's order that he not be deported to El Salvador. But his status as an illegal alien had been established in a court. Had another country been willing to accept him, it would have been completely legal to deport him.

#79 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 10:58 AM | Reply

"Due process is everyone's right."

Unless you're a tourist arriving at an airport who gets told they are not allowed to stay. Isn't that individual deprived of due process within the jurisdication of the US?

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 11:00 AM | Reply

"Yes, you are, and Trump is."

How so?

None of these guys, to the best of my knowledge, were arrested for committing any act other than entering the US illegally. In fact, they were all free to leave the US at any time of their choosing. With alleged criminals, the opposite is true. They are prohibited from leaving the country.

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 11:02 AM | Reply

"Had another country been willing to accept him, it would have been completely legal to deport him."

There is a country that was willing to accept him, in exchange for taxpayer dollars; that country is El Salvador

So, you're still refusing to get it.

He was illegally deported without Due Process.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 11:15 AM | Reply

"None of these guys, to the best of my knowledge, were arrested for committing any act other than entering the US illegally. "

They weren't charged with that, so that's also why they weren't arrested for that.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 11:16 AM | Reply

"Did Kilmar get his rights?"

"No."

How should we remedy the fact that he was denied his rights?
Or is it okay that he didn't get his rights?
And is it okay, going forward, that others also don't get their rights?

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 11:19 AM | Reply

Charges are not verdicts.

Charged must be adjudicated for determination of guilty or not guilty.

That didn't happen.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 11:21 AM | Reply

Is Madbomber Simple?

It's kinda scary thinking about him flying warplanes if he's mentally impaired.

Or is he just not able to understand the simple idea that the President doesn't make law or interpret legality.

The Constitution applies to all residents legal or not.

Especially the Bill of Rights.

Didn't the Air Force teach him Civics? The structure of the government he's "defending"?

Of only how to bomb and kill?

#86 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-18 11:36 AM | Reply

"Is Madbomber Simple?"

Not compared to you.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 11:37 AM | Reply

Dude,you don't like that I'm not easy to pigeon hole.

My opinions are my own. I'm often wrong, when shown that,I usually Rethink what it is I'm wrong about.

I'm not wrong about Trump Usurping Authority in a Lawless grab for dictatorship.

I'm not the Enemy. Trump is.

You just don't like the fact that my opinions are Heterodox.

Sorry I Don't "Stand with Ukraine".

By the way, I think Ukraine should have been treated better than the way Trump and Vance attacked Zelinsky for asking for consistent US policy especially after so many have died needlessly.

The least they could do was wean them off. And not Rape them economically for taking Aid that was intended to be gifted.

So you can cram your self righteous glib banter right up your Keester, Fella.

#88 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-18 11:52 AM | Reply

"You just don't like the fact that my opinions are Heterodox."

It's more like this:
Against which Orthodoxy do you perceive yourself as rebelling?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 12:01 PM | Reply

Not Rebelling, just not consistent in a obvious way, although I am consistent in a less obvious way.

Ukraine got ------, Hard. First by Putin by being invaded. No Question.

Then by the "Agreement Incapable", US. Which encouraged the most extreme elements of Ukrainian society to become oppressive toward their Russian speaking and leaning populations. Then when Russia attacked they encouraged them to fight and armed them to "weaken Russia" without western countries having to actually take human losses.

This was Cynical at best given that the West knew Ukraine could not prevail long term.

Even with NATO backing them they don't have the juice to throw them out.

So they fought a war that accomplished nothing but mass death and demographic collapse.

And Russia will still Win.

I don't support Using People Up to make a point.

In a Nutshell.

#90 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-18 12:26 PM | Reply

Again, at what orthodoxy windmills do you tilt?

All I hear is "Hillary BAD Putin GOOD."

And that's just MAGA.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 12:55 PM | Reply

"I don't support Using People Up to make a point."

Except for when Russia puts a half million Russians in the dirt, trying to conquer Ukraine.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 01:24 PM | Reply

Putin is Not Good. He's a vicious Imperialist.

Just not Hitler revisited.

Hillary was annoying and abrasive, like Trump. And like Trump she wanted more Authority than she was entitled to. There the similarity ends.

Was Hillary worse than Trump? Almost certainly not.

She would have escalated in Ukraine more than Biden did and far sooner if she had won in 2016 IMO.

Trump feeds on Hate. It energizes him. He is a unique danger because so many people want to feed on it with him.

It like a bracing Tonic to hate and harm people arbitrarily to them.

It's Terrifying and unbelievably Destructive to the Environment,both the human environment and the natural world.

Putin is Not American. Not our problem. Until he attacks US.

"Let us not seek foreign monsters to destroy" John Quincy Adams.

I'm only seemingly with the MAGA.

Look deeper.

#93 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-18 01:28 PM | Reply

"He was illegally deported without Due Process."

He was illegally deported, period. An immigration court had previously ruled that he could not be deported to El Salvador. ICE screwed up and deported him anyway.

#94 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-04-18 01:28 PM | Reply

Ukraine is part of the Russian social ecosystem so to speak.

In my opinion we should have encouraged dialogue and security arrangements with Russia Before February 22, 2022.

Instead Biden insulted Putin publicly and all but encouraged him to attack.

Total.Diplomatic. Malpractice.

Then we armed Ukraine for a Destructive war they couldn't Win.

Like Feeding the Israeli Slaughter of Palestinians it was a BS policy. That got hundreds of thousands of people killed for no clear purpose but pure Nihlism. And cheap geopolitical posturing.

Biden Sucked ---- at Foreign Policy,Hillary would have been worse in my opinion.

But I'm often Wrong.

Trump is arguably far worse than either.

So it Goes....

#95 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-04-18 01:38 PM | Reply

"Ukraine is part of the Russian social ecosystem so to speak."

You have that backwards.

Moscow didn't exist when Kyiv was a regional power.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 01:58 PM | Reply

"He was illegally deported without Due Process."
"He was illegally deported, period"

It's specifically the lack of Due Process which makes it illegal.
Supreme Court agrees, 9-0.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-04-18 02:00 PM | Reply

The Supreme Court is obsolete.

Trump has proven they hold no power.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-04-18 02:16 PM | Reply

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