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Authorities are considering whether to charge an Indiana homeowner who they say shot and killed a woman working as a house cleaner after she mistakenly went to the wrong address.

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A cleaning woman showed up at the wrong house with her husband. Someone inside shot through the door, striking 32-year-old MarÃa Florinda RÃos Pérez de Velásquez in the head, killing her. The Indianapolis suburb is called Whitestown.

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... The case brings Indiana's castle doctrine laws squarely into play, he said. Those laws allow a person to use reasonable force, including deadly force, to stop what they reasonably believe is an unlawful entry into their dwelling. ...

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-07 09:33 PM | Reply

Let's start shooting every ------- Karen there is.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-11-07 09:33 PM | Reply

@#1 ... Those laws allow a person to use reasonable force, including deadly force, to stop what they reasonably believe is an unlawful entry into their dwelling. ...

Is knocking on a door, or ringing a doorbell an unlawful entry?


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-07 09:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Guns keep us safe from clean homes.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-07 11:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#4 ... Guns keep us safe from clean homes. ...

OK, my neighbor's son one time knocked on my front door.

He is not a white Christian, but a person of color.

The neighbor had just moved in to the adjacent rental property, so I did not know them.

So, this person, who I did not know, knocks on my door. I answer the knocking.

I open the door.

Was the first thing on my mind to shoot him dead?

No. Absolutely not.

I asked him, "what's up?"

He said that lives in the adjacent house and that his cell phone battery is dead and he needs to call his Mom because he cannot find the spare key to his house. Can he use my phone?

I said, sure.

I gave him my phone to use.

I also watched as he subsequently went into the adjacent house.

True story.



#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-07 11:56 PM | Reply

Sorry, but if that door is intact with no damage indicating attempted break in, the home owner should be charged.

Castle Doctrine doesn't give one the right to kill for simply being on your porch.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2025-11-08 12:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#6 ... Sorry, but if that door is intact with no damage indicating attempted break in, the home owner should be charged. ...

I agree, 100%.

I look forward to the court case here to see what evidence each side has to offer.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-08 12:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

if that door is intact with no damage

Probably has bullet holes in it.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-08 12:47 AM | Reply

A white imbecile shot a Doordash deliveryman who was lost in NYS. The NYSP then discovered the shooter, a well-paid civil servant, was also trafficking in illegal firearms. This white supremacist had a good little deal going for himself in his quiet little corner of the world making money, until his irrational racist fear of non-whites undid him.

youtu.be

troopers.ny.gov

#9 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-08 01:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wps

#10 | Posted by fresno500 at 2025-11-08 08:34 AM | Reply

Makes one want to stop doing home delivery or house cleaning.

I used to deliver restaurant food. I had some weird ---- happen but nobody shot me dead.

I'm glad to be Out of that Game.

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-08 07:19 PM | Reply

Trump demonizing Latinos is why she got shot and why they may Not prosecute the killer.

He's creating a world of Fear.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-08 07:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Police have not identified the people in the home or who fired the shot, saying in a statement on Friday that it is a "complex, delicate, and evolving case, and it would be both inappropriate and potentially dangerous to disclose that information".

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-09 12:17 AM | Reply

This was another case where someone was shot through a door and killed.

When someone comes to my door, I see who it is.

I don't start shooting until much, much later.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-09 08:42 AM | Reply

What's True
Biden did once say, "[If] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

#15 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-09 10:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

A woman was found dead on a front porch Wednesday morning after police responded to a 911 call reporting a possible home invasion

#16 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-09 10:59 AM | Reply

Biden did once say, "[If] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

#15 | Posted by idenyitall

No. But you did once lie about it.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-09 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#17
look it up. btw ywnbaw.

#18 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-09 11:39 AM | Reply

Merka

#19 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-11-09 12:01 PM | Reply

look it up. btw ywnbaw.

#18 | Posted by idenyitall

I was watching live when Biden said the thing about shotguns you're now lying about.

It's Sunday. Why don't you scrape up all your pennies and see if you can afford buy an ounce or two of hamburger?

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-09 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Back in my apartment days I lived in a complex with several identical buildings.

I once misidentified my building and actually tried to stick key in lock on door to try to gain entry. All completely innocent.

The owner opened the door and we figured out I was in the wrong building. End of story.

However, the owner was African American.

#21 | Posted by fresno500 at 2025-11-09 01:35 PM | Reply

Cleaner Shot to Death After Going to Wrong House

And now they have to send someone out to clean the scene ...

It's like a perpetual motion device.

#22 | Posted by censored at 2025-11-09 04:14 PM | Reply

However, the owner was African American.

At least you didn't try to shoot him/her as did the tired, off duty female police officer Amber Guyger mistakenly going to the wrong apartment and shooting the owner Botham Jean; a POC.

#23 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-11-09 04:16 PM | Reply

I was watching live when Biden said the thing about shotguns

#20 | Posted by Zed

Biden made the statement during a 2013 interview with Field & Stream

"Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

www.fieldandstream.com

#24 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-11-09 05:21 PM | Reply

So what was posted was a selectively edited quote which left off the salient point. The full quote indicates it was a comparison between the effectiveness of a shotgun vs an AR-15.

Partial quotes are more properly indicated by a preceding " ... " to indicate that there is something before the indicated quote.

#25 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2025-11-09 05:28 PM | Reply

I gave him my phone to use.
True story.
#5 | Posted by LampLighter

Investigators say McGriff was walking around the couple's neighborhood in Bellerose knocking on doors and asking to charge his phone last month.
...
(We see how that turned out)

#26 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-09 05:52 PM | Reply

JPW shoots lone dogs in his neighborhood all the time.

#27 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-09 07:44 PM | Reply

we have commentary.. need to know?

#28 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-11-09 07:45 PM | Reply

I would bet my next Social Security check the shooter is a MAGAt that reads and watches Fox News.

#29 | Posted by path at 2025-11-10 07:21 AM | Reply

"So what was posted was a selectively edited quote which left off the salient point ... .." LOL.

The "salient point" is a matter of opinion. The reckless suggestion that a homeowner fire a shotgun through a door (under any circumstances, in any context) obliterates any other point he was trying to make.

#30 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-11-10 07:37 AM | Reply

"The "salient point" is a matter of opinion. The reckless suggestion that a homeowner fire a shotgun through a door (under any circumstances, in any context) obliterates any other point he was trying to make.
#30 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2025-11-10 07:37 AM"

That would be a point IF VP Biden suggested one SHOULD fire a shotgun through a door. Since he only claimed that firing his shotgun through a door would do better than an AR-15 to keep someone away from your house.

#31 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2025-11-10 08:28 AM | Reply

So he was ONLY advocating firing a shotgun through a door, INSTEAD of firing an AR15, to "keep someone away from your house". And you are okay with that?

#32 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-11-10 09:49 AM | Reply

This is sick. Just plain sick. Like the woman in Ocala, FL killing the mother that knocked on her door because the killer kept complaining about children playing outside. It's all gotten so bad in Florida that "ding-dong-ditch" is getting children killed, held at gunpoint, while wackos demand they give up the names of any other children that dared ring a doorbell and run. Florida's response? To make "ding-dong-ditch" a criminal offense. It's not just Florida, of course. Texas is right there, too.

#33 | Posted by YAV at 2025-11-10 09:51 AM | Reply

fox new, and the fascist party in general had spread so much fear into the hearts of impressionable white people that they don't realize that a person of color on your porch is much much much more likely to be delivering food or there to clean your house or mow your lawn than to rob you. They also don't realize that your firearm is much much much more likely to be used by someone you love to commit suicide than to protect you.

Guns don't kill people, scared and depressed white people kill people.

#34 | Posted by bus_driver at 2025-11-10 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Guns kill people.

They make Death too easy to achieve.

Murders,Suicides, Accidents.

It's a stupid Fetish, important mostly to ------- with no Penis.

Even the Old West,as lawless as it was, had more restrictions on Guns than Florida does today.

This country is too stupid to Survive.

#35 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-10 11:13 AM | Reply

Guns don't kill people, scared and depressed white people kill people.

#34 | Posted by bus_driver

(Taps gun-homicides-by-race chart)

#36 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-10 01:38 PM | Reply

For the white "supremacist" twits:

Suicide Deaths and Rate by Race/Ethnicity

#37 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-11-10 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For the white "supremacist" twits:
Suicide Deaths and Rate by Race/Ethnicity

#37 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-11-10 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag: The Math Doesn't Lie

These people know a little something about white supremacist Judeo-Christian homicidal traits:


#38 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-11-10 06:28 PM | Reply

So he was ONLY advocating firing a shotgun through a door, INSTEAD of firing an AR15, to "keep someone away from your house". And you are okay with that?
#32 | Posted by Miranda7

^
Are you saying you don't share Biden's opinion about which weapon is the better choice for home defense?
Would it make more sense to shoot the AR-15 through the door, instead of the Shotgun?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-10 06:47 PM | Reply

The reckless suggestion that a homeowner fire a shotgun through a door (under any circumstances, in any context) obliterates any other point he was trying to make.
#30 | Posted by Miranda7

Allow me to make a point.
We all hope you made it to the fainting couch in time.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-10 06:49 PM | Reply

it took all of five seconds to find this on snopes: www.snopes.com

In February 2013, Biden gave an interview to Field & Stream magazine on the subject of gun violence and gun control. He was asked about the regulation of the very popular AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and its uses in hunting, self-defense, and target practice. Biden played down the use of such a weapon in hunting, saying: "If you have to go up into the Poconos and go bear hunting or deer hunting with that weapon, and you need a clip that has 30 rounds in it, then you shouldn't be hunting. You're a danger to yourself. If you can't get the bear or the deer in four or five shots, you've got a problem."

When the interviewer asked "What about the other uses, for self-defense and target practice?", the Vice President responded as follows:

"Well, the way in which we measure it is -- I think most scholars would say -- is that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense. I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, "Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when there's the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.""

"I said, "Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because [if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door." Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that's true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, "Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me." No one's arguing we should make machine guns legal."

The quotation included in the meme is therefore authentic, but a couple of contextual points should be noted.

First, Biden was speaking favorably about the use of a shotgun for self-defense in comparison with the use of an AR-15. He was not promoting shotguns in a television commercial nor recommending their use on his own initiative. He was making a broader point about what he perceived as the limited justifications for owning and using an AR-15 rifle after having been asked about the issue of self-defense specifically.

Second, the quotation from the meme was actually an instance of Biden paraphrasing himself, recalling an online forum in which he had earlier participated. It's not clear which conversation Biden was recalling, but it might have been one hosted by Parents magazine on 20 February 2013, which attracted news coverage for similar remarks the vice president made about the preferability of a shotgun over an AR-15.

A Facebook viewer submitted the following question: "Do you believe that banning certain weapons and high-capacity magazines will mean that law-abiding citizens will then become more of a target to criminals, as we will have no way to sufficiently protect ourselves?" Biden responded to say:

"If you want to protect yourself, get a double-barrelled shotgun, have the shells, a 12-gauge shotgun, and I promise you, as I told my wife -- we live in an area that's wooded and somewhat secluded -- I said "Jill, if there's ever a problem just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house." I promise you, whoever's coming in is not -- you don't need an AR-15. It's harder to aim, it's harder to use, and in fact you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun."

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-10 06:52 PM | Reply

"So he was ONLY advocating firing a shotgun through a door, INSTEAD of firing an AR15, to "keep someone away from your house". And you are okay with that?
#32 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7 AT 2025-11-10 09:49 AM"

It's a toss-up whether your statement is a non sequitur or a strawman, since he did not advocate firing a shotgun through a door. I'd suggest a more thorough reading of what VP Biden actually did say rather than forming opinions based on your speculations on what you thought VP Biden meant.

OTOH, if you're just opening a new topic with your question: no, I am not OK with that.

#42 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2025-11-10 06:57 PM | Reply

For the white "supremacist" twits:
Suicide Deaths and Rate by Race/Ethnicity
#37 | Posted by hamburglar

Not gonna disagree with the premise that whites commit suicide more than blacks and browns, but suicide is widely underreported in Latino culture, because of the Catholic influence.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-10 06:59 PM | Reply

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