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The US has lifted its long-standing ban on weapons supplies and training to Ukraine's Azov brigade, whose origins were mired in controversy over alleged links to far-right groups.

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#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-11 07:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"even prepared to flirt with neo-Nazis"

media3.giphy.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-11 07:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Just becasue Vlad the Mass Murderer Putler says something about some thing means squat.
Arm these guys and watch them kill Russian orcs. It's a good thing.

#3 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-06-12 09:31 PM | Reply

Cool.

Azov Brigade all died.

Now give it to the fake Azov Brigade.

#4 | Posted by Monkeybars at 2024-06-13 04:49 AM | Reply

{sycho Putin seems to be suffering ftom a irratiional belief that he has any credibility with whivh he can speak ofhuman rights violations by any Ukrainian troops brcause his own forces have been so guilty of crimes agINST humanity which Russia dealT wiy=Th by throwing the podcast reporter rhat reported it live with furst hand accounts by civillians, who witnessed it, in prison for five years. So, sotty Psycho, no one on the planet believes anyrhing you say any longer. The crimes Russian troops are committing like: raping children, murdering and torturing prisoners, myrfering civilliams and much more. are being reported around the world. Yhe big question prople are asking is when are the cowardly Russian people going to overthrow this brutal psychotic dictator? How mamy of their sons have to vome home in body bags or not at all before they hold Putin accountable?

#5 | Posted by danni at 2024-06-13 06:24 AM | Reply

Supporting Nazis in Ukraine isn't a new thing. This more of the same old thing.

Yawn.

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 09:49 AM | Reply

That brigade is supporting a free Ukraine, unlike yourself.

So who's the Nazi now?

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-13 11:02 AM | Reply

Free?

Did they have scheduled elections? Is the media free from censors?

How are workers rights going under the oligarchs?

By every objective measure Ukraine is not a free society any more than Russia is.

Putin at least was re elected. He didn't cancel elections to protect himself.

#8 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 11:21 AM | Reply

Free?

Free from illegal, murdering Russian invaders.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-06-13 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Putin at least was re elected.

#8 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You are really one sad, fascist little puppy.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2024-06-13 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Putin at least was re elected."

Easy to do when you send out armed thugs to canvass and collect.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-13 11:35 AM | Reply

Zelinsky was afraid even that wouldn't be enough so he CANCELLED SCHEDULED ELECTIONS.

Nothing says Freedom like banned opposition and cancelled elections.

If Trump tries that here are We Free Too?

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 11:53 AM | Reply

Wartime suspension of elections is nothing new.

Thinking that Russian elections are free and fair is delusional.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-13 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump tries that here are We Free Too?

#12 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

If Trump tries that here you'll support him.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2024-06-13 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't support him now.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 01:21 PM | Reply

I don't support him (Trump) now.

#15 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You support Putin. I fail to see the difference.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2024-06-13 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Putin didn't suspend elections in Wartime. Neither did Lincoln.

Zelinsky has some reason to be more afraid than they were?

You know who else suspended elections? Slobodan Milosovic.


#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 01:28 PM | Reply

Illegitimate leaders suspend elections. If he thought he would win, why bother?

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 01:32 PM | Reply

Even Erdogan didn't suspend elections. Hamas suspended elections.

It's what Losers do.

#19 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 01:34 PM | Reply

19 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You have always wanted Ukraine to surrender.

That's as pro-Putin as you can get.

Putin is an active enemy of the United States.

So are you.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2024-06-13 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

19 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You are another little monster attempting some formula of words that will allow you to claim the moral high ground, despite having no morals.

That's about as fascist, and as Trumpy, as you can get.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2024-06-13 02:38 PM | Reply

So, double Standards about Freedom once again. What's a-Okay over
There would be intolerable Tyranny here.

Freedom for Ukraine is just a slogan. You don't mean it at all. A puppet is more like it.

Would it be freedom if the majority elected someone else who Sued for Peace after winning?

Is Ukraine only "Free" if they are with the program?

That's not freedom, that's called Vassalage.

#22 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 03:25 PM | Reply

Zelinsky denied them the right to even choose.

He just refused to allow elections for president or the legislatures.

By Edict.

Even Putin observes the forms of democracy.

Zelinsky can't be bothered. He knows he's a Western puppet.

But he's OUR Puppet.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 03:31 PM | Reply

Reports are saying Russian air defence (including S-400) radars in Crimea are getting whacked by ATACMS. That's gonna hurt.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-06-13 03:51 PM | Reply

Change the subject... You know that I'm right about this.

Zelinsky should have stood for re-election. The stakes for ordinary Ukrainians have rarely been higher. They deserve a say in continuing to fight or not.

He showed total Cowardice and clued everyone paying attention to the BS being passed off as "Freedom" in Ukraine.

Lincoln had far more to fear from his own people and he stood for re-election.

But Lincoln wasn't a puppet of Foreign interests.

Lincoln won in a landslide.

Would Zelinsky?

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 04:00 PM | Reply

Change the subject...

The subject, *checks headline*, is Ukraine getting and using western weapons to blow up the invading Russian hardware.

This is good. The more the better.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-06-13 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know that I'm right about this.

#25 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

We know that you have chosen your side.

What do you want? Respect?

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2024-06-13 04:05 PM | Reply

That would be a start.

As well as an admission of double Standards about Freedom.

What's okay for the meat thrown to the Front is totally unacceptable to the people paying them to Die.

They are making The Ultimate Sacrifice but have NO SAY WHATSOEVER in whether or not it's worth it.

Just Shut Up and Die for the Overlords.

I don't see freedom in that.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 05:04 PM | Reply

Putin is Pres for Life in Russia... he has no need to suspend elections.

Grow up, MW.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-13 05:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zelansky popularity in Ukraine 2024?

65 percent.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-13 05:19 PM | Reply

Pres. Putin recently won re-election. The opposition was limited and not likely to win but elections were held.

Zelinsky could have done the same thing.

Why didn't he?

He has to know fearing the will of the voters isn't courage. It doesn't give his government credibility at home or Abroad.

It's just Weak.

And Autocratic.

Not a good look for a "Democracy" fighting for "Freedom".

But freedom isn't the point.

Geopolitical Control is the point.

#31 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 05:23 PM | Reply

"Pres. Putin recently won re-election."

After murdering his opposition.

You can't be honest about anything, can you?

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-06-13 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Zelinsky is polling that highly among Ukrainians, why suspend elections?

Something doesn't add up with that.

Lincoln barely took the nomination in Wartime.

He still stood for re-election at the height of a raging civil war.

Why was he so brave?

Why is Zelinsky with much higher support so Afraid of the Voters?

Zelinsky is not really in Charge.

He's the Puppet of his employers.

If I was Ukrainian I would be outraged.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 05:29 PM | Reply

"Last year, President Zelensky said it was "irresponsible" to talk about elections and called for unity. Most in the country seem to agree."

www.bbc.com

And why are you still lying about Putin and elections?

"Putin extends one-man rule in Russia after stage-managed election devoid of credible opposition"

www.cnn.com

The only people who TRIED to run against him in this last election, and most of the others, were suddenly found to have serious problems with their lists of get on the Ballot signatures:

"Russian electoral commission rejects anti-war candidate Boris Nadezhdin's presidential bid"

www.euronews.com

Others just die mysteriously in prison... again this year.

WTF is wrong with you!?

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-13 05:39 PM | Reply

"Most in the country seem to Agree".

Without Elections or a free press that's just BS under any circumstances.

Speculation at best. Outright BS actually.

Trump says most of the country believe he won in 2020, is That True?

Zelinsky fears being removed, banning elections makes no sense otherwise.

He's lost any pretence of being about Freedom.

What happens to dissenters in Wartime?

They are shut up and considered criminals.

Who in Ukraine would dare to say openly they want an armistice with Russia?

How long would they live?

#35 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 05:57 PM | Reply

I mention here the attempt of Ukraine to claw back refugees to a warzone in direct contradiction of international law. At least we can be thankful that he is excepting the refugees who fled to Israel on the eve of invasion.

Oh and of course Azov is and always has been National Socialist (NAZI). Any equivocation of this fact is either ignorant or disingenuous.

#36 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-13 05:57 PM | Reply

If the dissenters threatened the survival the current government?

Repression as bad as anything in Russia would be the response.

Just stop kidding yourself about that.

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 06:00 PM | Reply

Repression as bad as anything in Russia would be the response.

Just stop kidding yourself about that.

#37 | Posted by Effeteposer

Russia is far worse than the USA in terms of amorality, corruption, and evil intentions.

Stop kidding yourself about that.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-06-13 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

That (respect) would be a start.

#28 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

That horse left the barn a long time ago.

#39 | Posted by Zed at 2024-06-13 06:11 PM | Reply

If their commitment to Ukraine is such that they will serve a Democratically elected Jewish head of state they are a new thing that defies anything along the lines of a proper Nazi.

#40 | Posted by Tor at 2024-06-13 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Azov is and always has been National Socialist (NAZI).

Are they all members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party?

Asking for Madbomber.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-06-13 06:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Blaming Ukraine for Vlad's Invasion and the current disaster of war on civilians in Ukraine, and the inability hold real elections while fighting said war... is still equivalent to some ----- blaming the woman who was raped, saying she was that was because she was wearing a short skirt.

And then saying that the rapist was honestly elected as a rapist?

That's how silly you sound, MW.

AND

"Zelenskyy should say a Churchillian "no" to wartime elections in Ukraine

If Winston Churchill were still with us, he would surely be advising Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to ignore international pressure to call elections.

Much like Ukrainians in 2023, the British in 1940 were fighting a war of national survival. Every October for five consecutive years, the wartime British government led by Winston Churchill obtained legislative consent to postpone scheduled elections and extend the life of the sitting British parliament.

Churchill's reasons for doing so were obvious and in many ways apply equally to today's Ukraine.

In 1940, Britain sought to avoid the distraction and potentially divisive impact of elections in order to maintain national resilience and focus all its energy on the war.

The Churchill government also recognized the impracticality of holding an election with millions of displaced people across and beyond the nation, and saw that it would be virtually impossible to ensure a fair test of public opinion with Britain under daily attack and engaged in a global war."

.

"The logistical obstacles to holding elections in wartime Ukraine are formidable. Approximately 20% of Ukrainian territory is currently under Russian occupation.

Many millions of Ukrainians are living outside the country as refugees, with millions more displaced internally. It would take considerable time and resources, to say the least, to create a credible electoral register.

The safety issues raised by a nationwide election campaign amid Russia's ongoing invasion are similarly immense. How could soldiers fighting on the front line effectively participate in the campaign?

Can politicians hold public meetings or campaign rallies without fear of being targeted by Russian air strikes? Aside from Kyiv, most Ukrainian cities have only limited air defenses. The prospect of holding any sort of public meeting in such conditions is fraught with danger.

The many safety concerns related to campaign meetings would apply equally to polling stations on election day.

A single Russian attack on a polling station during voting hours could easily result in dozens of deaths. Russia's track record for bombing civilian targets and public gatherings during the current war means there can be little doubt the Kremlin would seek to attack election-related events.

It is also reasonable to question the wisdom of exposing the country to a period of intense internal political competition amid a war of national survival. How could national unity be sustained through a three-month election campaign?"

www.atlanticcouncil.org

You need to put down the THCa pipe and walk away, MW.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-13 06:24 PM | Reply

Churchill got Dumped two weeks after the war ended.

He expected to remain as Prime Minister for years to come.

Zelinsky has the same problem.

Any Free Elections mean removal almost immediately.

He knows it. So does NATO.

I wouldn't want to be Him for all the Graft opportunities in the World.

Lol.

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 06:34 PM | Reply

Every day Russia tries to kill Zelinsky that's how we know he wants the war to end same as Churchhill.

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2024-06-13 06:42 PM | Reply

You would prefer Putin, as you continually tell us.

And you have nada to say on all the reasons given in the article for not trying to have an election at this time.

And as far as your further nonsense about why Churchill wasn't reelected?

.

"Instead, in one of the biggest electoral swings of the twentieth century, the Labour Party won the general election decisively, winning 393 seats, while the second-placed Conservatives only secured 197.

With an emphasis on social reform, the Labour Party's manifesto was strongly influenced by the Beveridge Report and included a commitment to full employment, affordable housing, and social security and health care for all.

In contrast, the Conservative campaign focused on Churchill's popular appeal, lowering taxation, maintaining defence spending and encouraging private business interests.

While Churchill acknowledged a need for social reform, he argued that this should be done privately rather than by the government, claiming that Labour would need 'some kind of Gestapo' to implement such reform.

Despite Churchill's concerns, the Labour Party's emphasis on social reform clearly appealed to many voters, who gave Labour a landslide victory at the polls and a clear mandate for change."

www.iwm.org.uk

You really can't just make ---- up as you go along around here, MW.

Too many people know your BS when they see it, and it's too easy to prove it's BS.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-13 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dude, Churchill stood for more of the same. More War. More social inequality, more excessive "defense" spending. More subsidies for private business at the expense of everyone else. No regard for the Commons.

He only stayed in as long as he did because there were No Elections.

Britain was no longer in Existential peril after 1943 at the latest.

Churchill was a Turd. BTW.

#46 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-13 07:07 PM | Reply

Winston stayed in long enough to win the war, and the socialists weren't going to beat him had there been elections. Try not to be so obtuse.

Zelensky is the leftist in Ukraine, head of the liberal, centrist, pro-European political party in Ukraine, not the rwinger.

And you still have no argument for all the obvious reasons not to have an election during the war, as cited in the article above.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-13 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lincoln had far more to fear from his own people and he stood for re-election.

But Lincoln wasn't a puppet of Foreign interests.

Lincoln won in a landslide.

Would Zelinsky?

#25 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Lordy you are so full of it. And your knowledge of history is atrocious.

Wasn't that the year the confederate states were not allowed to vote? And they were other problems such as Nevada.

"The states of Louisiana and Tennessee, which had recently been captured from Confederate control, held elections; however, no electoral votes were counted from them.[2] One of Nevada's three electors was snowbound and unable to cast a vote for President or Vice President."-wiki

Leaving out "minor" details is what a good propagandist do.

Lincoln would probably have never won if the southern traitors were allowed to vote. So I doubt that election would have even been allowed.

But we won't know will we? Because the election went forward with only half the country voting in it.

And Ukraine War is nothing remotely similar to The Civil War or to a country as large as America was even then.

Your historical comparisons are crap bro.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-14 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And yes. Lincoln was much braver and smarter than Zelinski.

He also fought that war with only a telegraph. No drones no satellites no internet no computers. No modern technology whatsoever. So yes. Lincoln was much more brilliant than Zelinski. He had to be.

Like I said. Your knowledge of history is atrocious. Maybe give up on YouTube university and read a book?

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-14 11:43 AM | Reply

"Easy to do when you send out armed thugs to canvass and collect."

And all the competition mysteriously dies of defenestration.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-06-14 11:53 AM | Reply

In fairness, neither did Lincoln's opposition (political and military) have those technologic advantages. It probably would be more accurate to say Lincoln utilized the tools (and/or the lack of) to his advantage better than his opposition.

Zelinsky is involved in a vastly different conflict under much different circumstances. It would be ill-advised draw too many simplistic conclusions from equating the two situations too closely.

#51 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-06-14 12:05 PM | Reply

It would be ill-advised draw too many simplistic conclusions from equating the two situations too closely.

#51 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE

What he said!

Exactly my point.

There really is no comparison between the two wars.

One was about a country tearing itself apart over slavery using primitive weapons and technology and the other is war of aggression by a modern technologically superior nuclear capable country who is attacking its smaller neighbor after agreeing to protect it from aggression for giving up its own nuclear weapons.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-14 12:32 PM | Reply

Russia is far worse than the USA in terms of amorality, corruption, and evil intentions.
Stop kidding yourself about that.

#38 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY.

Is it more corrupt to just throw your political rivals in jail, or kill them?

The results are the same.

All across the spectrum of the US governments, Federal, State, local there are now corruption charges and cases. Many times more than before COVID. Something is wrong in America today.

There is probably more corruption in the US than Russia. Because in Russia it's centralized corruption. In the US its decentralized.

Almost Mexican style corruption.

#53 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-06-14 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Is it more corrupt to just throw your political rivals in jail, or kill them?

The results are the same.

#53 | Posted by oneironaut

Putin does all the above.

There's nothing corrupt about prosecuting an actual criminal leader like trump. NOT prosecuting them would be corrupt.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-06-14 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Would the people of Donetsk, Luhansk,and the other regions absorbed by Russia be voting if elections were held in Ukraine? I think not. The parallel with the US civil war is more valid than you guys admit.

Zelinsky is a coward. His fear is he wouldn't win and it's a valid one.

Even he said elections were possible if the West paid for them.

Always on the Take, looking for another way to get paid.

Corruption is a way of life there. Big shock, I know.

Face it, Ukraine is a corrupt puppet of the West. Like the "Official" Government of Afghanistan was before the Taliban took it back.

Not a real democracy any more than Russia is.

The whole war is about Geopolitical Control, not Freedom.

#55 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-14 05:05 PM | Reply

55
Your Hero Vlad laid out his demands for a mere Ceasefire, not Peace, today ahead of the a World Conference coming up in Sweden:

Ukraine must cede to Russia all territories they are fighting in, not that they have taken... and Ukraine must never join NATO.

Which is reminiscent of Hitler's demands for not invading Czechoslovakia, which he did anyway.

Only fools think Vlad is interested in anything less than restoring all the old Soviet Union states.

And FDR proved that only united democracies here and abroad can defeat the Hitlers and Putin's of the world.

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-14 05:19 PM | Reply

His fear is he wouldn't win and it's a valid one.

#55 | Posted by Effeteposer

And if he won, putin's propaganda would say it was rigged. And you'd parrot that propaganda.

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-06-14 06:57 PM | Reply

#57

Are you trying to create a new hypothetical Putin would-do propaganda to parrot?

Tell me again how all of Russia's elections are rigged, and all of the independence referenda of former Ukraine oblasts are so obviously rigged that no evidence is necessary to make this determination. They are so rigged that even a revote under UN auspice is not possible, right? Polly wanna cracker?

#58 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-15 02:23 PM | Reply

"And FDR proved that only united democracies here and abroad can defeat the Hitlers and Putin's of the world."
-Some would say, with ample evidence, that the heavy lifting of defeating Germany was done by commies.

Don't forget how FDR also proved that opium money can be a source of perpetual wealth and political power for your family.

#59 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-15 02:30 PM | Reply

Bunker Bitch was busy surrendering American military bases to Putin when he wasn't trying to extort Zelenskyy.

#60 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-06-15 02:35 PM | Reply

#60

Which bases were surrendered to Putin?

#61 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-15 02:46 PM | Reply

www.businessinsider.com

Trump earned that "Putin's -----------" moniker.

#62 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-06-15 02:51 PM | Reply

Some would say, with ample evidence, that the heavy lifting of defeating Germany was done by commies.

#58 | POSTED BY LOOK_INWARD

Fun fact, the Soviets were in discussions with the Nazis for separate peace in 1943. Negotiations fell apart on where to draw boundaries.

#63 | Posted by Zed at 2024-06-15 03:27 PM | Reply

Details? Please.

I have not heard of this before. In what context did this "offer" occur?

#64 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-15 03:37 PM | Reply

"US troops and their allies feel humiliated after abandoning their bases in Syria"

What does Syria have to say about uninvited US bases occupying their territory? We did ask them and gain permission, right?

#65 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-15 03:51 PM | Reply

Which bases were surrendered to Putin The Taliban?

#66 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-15 03:52 PM | Reply

#64 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

www.bbc.com

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2024-06-15 04:32 PM | Reply

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