Piggy is considering sending in ground troops to secure the nuclear material (you know that stuff that was obliterated and is likely under tons of rubble).

So, we are going to send in special forces and just assume that they won't be attacked?

Fucking MADNESS

Oh and Piggy wants to control Iran's oil like he does Venezuela's, you know through theft

Piggy has shown interest in boots on the ground in Iran

1 week in

Piggy is saying he wants Iran to "collapse"

Congrats magat scum

Israel's war is going on for at least another month. they just got 20K 1,000-pound bombs. This is the heavy ammunition Biden withheld from them I believe. as it is has zero use in urban warfare except destroying residential buildings.

So, yeah get used to it.

Are you trying to reframe the conversation?
More like getting it back on track. Iran is not capable of "killing America".

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at

If Iran wanted to Kill America, how come they agreed to the JCPOA that would prevent them from getting nukes?

The inability to put yourself in Iran's shoes is how we get to this point.

The alternative to "build trust" is violence.

You can either talk with them or commit violence

Violence, in regards to Iran, is a bad idea and we are going to get first hand experience with that over the next few months.

Because

And I don't know why this needs to be stated

You cannot bomb a nation into liking you.

What actions from Iran would convince you that they are trustworthy?

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson

Why does Iran want to harm Israel and America?

Do you think they have legitimate grievances in that regard? You know stuff like overthrowing their duly elected leaders? Or withdrawing from hard fought agreements or you know bombing them

If so, how does one resolve those types of grievance?

It is called diplomacy.

Diplomacy is usually most important when negotiating with hostile nations. Cause the alternative is war. Of course war is just another form of diplomacy

The point is their leadership openly calls for Israel's elimination and supports groups attacking it.
What is the solution to that?

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson

Our country does that to Iran.

Maybe we should start at home

Truth,
"Enter into a multi nation agreement where Iran agrees to give up its nuclear weapons program and allows for a robust inspection program in return for sanctions relief."
So are you now saying it's not propaganda?

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson

One does not preclude the other

You can either take Iran where it is at or you can fight a never ending war to change them

Iran has been an adversary since at least 1979.

Iran is not going anywhere.

Now we can either accept them on their terms as a theocratic government and work with them to bring them into the western sphere of influence or we can fight them

America has worked with countless regimes that have wanted harm to us.

You work with them through negotiations and COMPROMISE

Iran has the ability to become a successful modern country. Or it could become another Afghanistan

Iran has an educated population. We can bomb them back to the stone ages OR we can weok with them to reach agreements that stop violence

Maybe if we could build trust within Iran they wouldn't be chanting Death to America

Unfotunately that ain't gonna happen anytime soon given what Piggy has done.

FWIW Tucker Carlson says Piggy thinks 90% of Americans support his Iran war, so it is highly unlikely he has a basic understanding of what is happening.

"What exactly is the solution to the fact Iran (politically and their religion...mixed) wants to kill Jews and subsequently America."

Enter into a multi nation agreement where Iran agrees to give up its nuclear weapons program and allows for a robust inspection program in return for sanctions relief.

Begin further discussions to discuss proxy groups and ballistic missiles.

This latter discussion will be difficult because Israel is highly motivated to keep the proxy wars going to justify their expansionist goals. There is more than ample evidence that Israel created Hamas to counter the Palestinian Authority because the PA was too close to a path to a 2 state solution.

Bill, do not believe the propaganda.

Iran does not want that and even if a small minority in that country says they do, they simply do not nor have they ever had the capability to do so.

I find it infuriating that we are supposed to believe Israel lives in existential fear for it's existence when in reality it poses an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

If America dealt honestly with the Iranian regime over the past 40 years there would not be the hostility that exists today.

Consider these FACTS

Iran had agreed under the JCPOA to give up its nuclear weapons program and allowed a rigorous inspection regime.

That agreement was working.

Piggy unilaterally withdrew from that agreement. Now why would Iran consider entering ANOTHER agreement when the previous agreement was only good until a change in the American presidency.

So, Iran agrees to talks with Piggy and DURING the talks Israel begins bombing Iran and drags the US into a war where we bomb their nuclear facilities.

So, AGAIN, why would Iran trust the US, we pulled out of an agreement and then bombed them in the midst of discussions

THEN, ONCE again they agree to talks, and apparently were ready to give Piggy all he wanted and again the US bombs Iran, this time assassinating its leader

You ask what is the solution to Iran? I ask you what is the solution to US violence AGAINST Iran?

to give you an idea of what 20,000 1K bombs MEANS

Israel is flying around 500 sorties per day. Assuming each sortie is a strike that means we just gave Israel enough bombs to fight for the next 40 days, until late April. Oh and 1K bombs are big ass bombs

Israel has ZERO interest in stopping this war, EVER. They desperately want Iran to collapse into civil war. Does Piggy understand that? Does Piggy understand what that means?

Piggy doesn't seem to understand that Iran gets a vote in all of this, and $120/barrel oil is just the beginning.

Israel wants Iran in permanent civil war so they can invade and steal land from Lebanon, and probably Syria, and they can complete the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank.

Piggy well and truly fucked us and the world.

I honestly don't see a way out of this.

MAYBE Piggy tacos, maybe. maybe he declares victory and stops. Giving Israel 20,000 bombs does not support that. the fact that Iran doesn't have what he supposedly wants (a nuclear program). I don't see how he tacos.

@#17 ... You new here? ...
I've been here for a few years.
But I remain aghast at the current US apparently targeting schools and hospitals.
If we have done that, then, imo, we have lowered ourselves to the level of Pres Putin.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter

They did a double tap in downtown Tehran the other day. Bombed a location and came back a shortwhile later and bombed again to hit the first responders

America is evil

Idiots are showing they don't understand how commodities work

If oil is selling at $100/barrel on the commodity exchange, no oil company is going to sell oil at $60/barrel in America.

Thanks capitalism.

And thanks magat scum

Israel is fighting a completely different war and they have clear goals.

Piggy has no clue as to what he has unleashed.

Israel is targeting Iran's oil infrastructure and paving the way for a Kurdish civil war. Israel is intent on invading Lebanon. Israel has territorial expansion, genocide and permanently destroying the civil structure of Iran on it's to do list.

Israel is playing a long game and Piggy doesn't get it.

Piggy will find it impossible to extricate himself from this shit show.

Funny thing is all he has to do is STOP GIVING ISRAEL MUNITIONS

The whole war would immediately end.

But Netanyahu is sucking Piggy in to a point where he won't have any choice

Of course, Piggy just gave Israel 20,000 1K pound bombs so they are locked and ready to go for a while.

Like most wars of aggression, this is a roll of the dice for a quick resolution. When it fails, as it usually does, the pain is long.

The dildo of reality rarely comes lubed.

War is quite evidently getting out of Piggy's control.

Fuck President Piggy and Fuck His War

Scum should be hanged for a war of aggression

In the past few years Israel has killed more Americans than Iran. Even iincluding the 7 dead soldiers

So, it looks like the economy is about to take a huge hit

thanks magat scum