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Hi Laura:

Thanks for posting. I inserted myself.

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AmericanPly - US Army
Autonomous - US Navy
Babuenthal - USMC
Beachbuzz - US Army (1985-1998/MOS:19K)
BillJohnson - US Navy
Boaz - US Army (Major) (active service)
Briwo - US Army (1978-1982) Infantry (11B); May he rest in peace (2012)
Buffalo_Bob - US Air Force
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Docnjo - US Army (Retired)
Donnerboy - USMC (1975-1979) VMFA-314 (The Black Knights)
DrKnowItAll - US Navy
DrSoul - US Army (1964-1967)
Dutch46 -- US Coast Guard
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GreatAmerican - US Army (Engineers)
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ItsMe - US Army
Jackass - US Army Reserve
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Judas - USMC
JustinPhx - US Navy
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Katieberry - US Army/National Guard
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#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-11 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:
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More from the article ...

... Rafael Veraza said the incident happened in a Sam's Club parking lot in Cicero on Saturday, amid escalating clashes that day between immigration agents and frustrated area residents. The suburb shares a border with the Chicago neighborhood of Little Village, a largely Mexican enclave that has frequently been at the center of a federal immigration crackdown that began two months ago in the nation's third-largest city.

Veraza said the family was in their car when they heard a helicopter and honking, common signals in the Chicago area these days that federal agents are nearby. They decided to leave.

That's when a masked agent pointed a pepper-spray gun through their vehicle's open window and fired. A cloudy substance hit Veraza in the face, which also affected his daughter, according to a video taken by the family.

"My daughter was trying to open her eyes," Veraza told reporters Sunday, as his wife held their daughter nearby. "She was struggling to breathe."

He said they were not protesting, honking their horns to warn others or trying to interfere.

A longtime pastor in the area, the Rev. Matt DeMateo, arrived at the scene to help and also recorded footage of Veraza struggling to open his eyes and of their daughter, Arianna, crying while her mother tried to comfort her.

"A family, and I shouldn't have to say this, but guess what? All U.S. citizens attacked while shopping," he said. "We need a better way."

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security flatly rejected the family's account. ...


More updated update ...

UPDATE: Gov. Morrisey visits Nicholas County mine where rescue is underway
www.wvnews.com

... Gov. Patrick Morrisey visited the Rolling Thunder Mine in Nicholas County Tuesday, where crews are pumping water at a rate of about 6,000 gallons per minute in an effort to rescue a miner who has been trapped underground since Saturday afternoon.

Rescue crews at the Rolling Thunder Mine significantly escalated efforts to reach a trapped miner Tuesday, dramatically boosting the rate of water removal to approximately 6,000 gallons per minute.

This rate of water pumping is a significant increase from earlier efforts as additional pumps were brought in to expedite the process, according to Morrisey.

"I've been talking with a number of the workers inside our state agencies and others really to get an update about what's doing on," Morrisey said. "The people are working very, very hard. They're working around the clock trying to do everything possible to rescue the missing miner."

The boost in pumping capacity marks another step in the ongoing effort to reach a miner who has been trapped underground since Saturday afternoon. As water levels continue to drop, crews are also advancing on the drilling portion of the rescue while preparing for additional heavy equipment to arrive. ...


Update ...

Governor Morrissey at Rolling Thunder Mine Tuesday night, speaking about latest efforts to find missing miner
woay.com

... Governor Patrick Morrisey spoke at the Rolling Thunder Mine in Nicholas County about the operation to find the missing miner Tuesday night.

Governor Patrick Morrissey reports that crews are pumping water at a rate of approximately 6,000 gallons per minute. Major efforts are being made to clear out the water. As water levels decrease, crews are advancing on the drilling portion of the rescue in preparation for additional heavy equipment to arrive.

Governor Morrisey stated that while there are no updates, this remains a search and rescue mission. He also took a moment to praise West Virginians for working together for this miner and keeping him and his family in their thoughts and prayers. ...


There's lots of angst on Wall Street of late.

Will AI prove to be worth the investment that is being put into it, seems to be the largest on, from what I see.

Companies seem to be dumping billions (yeah, billions) of dollars into capital expenditure to bolster their AI capabillities.

But, so far, those expenditures are not showing any results on the bottom line for those companies.

For example ...

Billion-dollar salaries, massive investment -- is Mark Zuckerberg's out-of-control AI spending rattling investors?
economictimes.indiatimes.com

... Meta AI Mark Zuckerberg spending 2025: Meta's ambitious AI spending, projected between $70-72 billion this year, is raising investor alarms. Despite strong revenue, Meta's stock dipped as analysts question the return on investment and transparency.

This surge occurs amidst an AI race, fueling fears of a market bubble, even as Zuckerberg stresses the urgency of these significant AI investments. ...


The video didn't post in #8 ...

Gordon Lightfoot - Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald (1976)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzTkGyxkYI

Lyrics from the genius.com link I also forgot to post in #8... (I have to stop multi-tasking in the evenings.... :(   )

genius.com

...
The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" is a song written, composed, and performed by Canadian singer-songwriter Gordon Lightfoot to commemorate the sinking of the bulk carrier SS Edmund Fitzgerald on Lake Superior on November 10, 1975. Lightfoot drew his inspiration from Newsweek's article on the event, "The Cruelest Month", which it published in its November 24, 1975, issue. Lightfoot considers this song to be his finest work.

[Verse 1]
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy
With a load of iron ore twenty-six thousand tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

[Verse 2]
The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconsin
As the big freighters go, it was bigger than most
With a crew and good captain well seasoned
Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ship's bell rang
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

[Verse 3]
The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
And a wave broke over the railin'
And every man knew, as the captain did too
'Twas the witch of November come stealin'
The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashin'
When afternoon came it was freezin' rain
In the face of a hurricane west wind

[Verse 4]
When suppertime came the old cook came on deck sayin'
"Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
At seven P.M. a main hatchway caved in, he said
"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"
The captain wired in he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went outta sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

[Verse 5]
Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd put fifteen more miles behind her
They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters

[Verse 6]
Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the rooms of her ice-water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams
The islands and bays are for sportsmen
And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered

[Verse 7]
In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed till it rang twenty-nine times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
Superior, they said, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early
...


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LastOfMykind - US Army (82nd Airborne Division) 1961-1966
Libertarian_GI - US Army (4th Squadron, 7th Cavalry Regiment - South Korea)
LilBrit - WRNS (Womens Royal Naval Service)
LWalk17 - US Air Force
MACV1972 - US Army ( 1967-1968 and 1972-1973.)
MadBomber - US Navy
MadScientist - US Army Reserve
MattM - Minnesota Army NG (22 yrs. w/1 yr. active duty in Kosovo)
Mensakook - USMC - (1970-1974)
MistaKurtz - US Air Force (98th Fighter Interceptor Sqdn)
Mictian101 - USMC
MountainMano - US Army (1983-1985) - U.S. Air Force (1985-2008)
Mr. Retaliation - US Air Force
MSgt - US Air Force (Retired)
Mustang - US Navy
Observer27 - US Army
OldFart -- US Air Force (Security)
OldWhiskeySour - US Air Force (1968 - 1975)
Oohrah's son Bob - USMC
OzarkAggie - US Navy (Submarine Service)
Path - US Army (1970-1971)
PinchALoaf - U.S. Air Force
PhesterOBoyle - US Army (1957 - 1963)
Prolix247 - US Navy (1987 - 1991) USS Tattnall (DDG-19)
Rabiabidabi - US Navy
Rastaninja - US Army Reserves
Reagan58 - US Army (Special Forces)
RealPlus5 - US Air Force (1975-1979)/USN (1980-1998)
Rearendhat - US Army (1995 - 1999)
RexZeitgeist - US Army (1987-1991)
RightisRight - US Army
RightOCenter - USMC
Sambo - US Army (1973-1975)
Sarge - US Air Force
Shane - USMC (1974 - 1977)
Sniper - US Army
Soheifox - US Navy
SPC_Evil - US Army
Squinch - U.S. Navy
Tadowe - US Army
TedBaxter -- US Navy
Tedly - US Navy (1975-1979) USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) C- VT24 Bobcats
TFDNihilist -- USMC
Timbci - US Army
TJTull - US Air Force
TownNCountry - US Navy, USNR
TRAV7802 - US Army (1991-2012) Retired E-8 MSgt - Tours of duty: Germany, Honduras, Korea, 4 tours in Iraq
Tron - US Army
Trooper - US Army (active service)
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USN - US Navy
Vernon - US Air Force
VMA224 - USMC (1956-1962)
Walt - US Army
Willowby - USMC (1975-1983) VMFP-3/H&MS-11;, 3 WESTPAC's on CV-41, NAMTRADET's Avionics Instructor.
Woke - US Air Force (1968-1972) (Security)
ZeroPointNRG - US Army
Posted by CalifChris at 2012-11-22 12:04 PM | Reply

@#8 ... Retired 4-Star Navy Admiral and Navy Seal Officer William McRaven said this about Trump. ...

Your comment led me to this ...

Admiral Who Led Bin Laden Raid Tells President Trump to Revoke His Security Clearance, Too (2018)
time.com

... The Navy admiral who oversaw the 2011 mission to kill Osama Bin Laden has criticized President Donald Trump for revoking former CIA director John Brennan's security clearance -- saying the President has "humiliated" and "divided" America.

Retired Adm. William H. McRaven, a former Navy SEAL and commander of Joint Special Operations Command, wrote an open letter in the Washington Post Thursday in which he asked Trump to revoke his security clearance, as well. McRaven adds to the growing chorus of criticism over Trump's targeting of Brennan and other former intelligence and security officials who have spoken out against him.

On Thursday and early Friday, 13 former intelligence chiefs " including former CIA director General David Petraeus and former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates " released a statement backing Brennan and calling Trump's attacks "ill-considered and unprecedented."

McRaven, in his letter in the Post, said Brennan was "one of the finest public servants I have ever known," adding that he "would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency."

He added: "Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation."

The White House announced Wednesday that Trump had revoked Brennan's security clearance, with the President citing "erratic conduct" and "outrageous allegations." Brennan hit back on Thursday, saying that his involvement in the investigation into Russian involvement in Trump's 2016 election victory was the reason for his dismissal.

Trump said he was also considering revoking security clearance for others, including former FBI Director James Comey, former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

All of the names on Trump's list have either been publicly critical of him, or were involved in the investigation of the Trump campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Below is the full text of the letter signed by 13 former senior intelligence officials: ...



Another view ...

The GOP seems to have fallen in line, blindly obeying the dicta of Pres Trump.

The Dems, well they seem to welcome differing viewpoints.

Has the Congressional leadership of the Dems been tasked with herding cats?

EDS, an HP Company 'Cat Herders' (1 minute long)
www.youtube.com


... [edited from the provided transcript to provide complete sentences]...

This man right here is my great-grandfather he's the first cat herder in our family hurting cats don't let anybody tell you it's easy anybody can [herd] cattle.

[H]olding together 10,000 half wild short hairs well that's another thing all together

being a cat herder is probably about the
[transcript stops]
...


:)

Another view ...

www.bloomberg.com

... The US military is exploring whether to build a temporary base capable of housing 10,000 people near the Gaza Strip as part of its push for a stabilization force of troops from other countries to monitor a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

The Navy is seeking a cost estimate from a list of pre-qualified companies for "a temporary, self-sustaining military base of operations capable of supporting 10,000 personnel and providing 10,000 square feet of office space for a period of 12 months," according to a Request for Information sent to eligible contractors and seen by Bloomberg News. ...



Another tune that brings tears to my eyes...

Stan Ridgway - Camouflage (1986)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt ...

genius.com

...
[Verse 1]
I was a PFC on a search patrol huntin' Charlie down
It was in the jungle wars of '65
My weapon jammed and I got stuck way out and all alone
And I could hear the enemy movin' in close outside
Just then I heard a twig snap and I grabbed my empty gun

And I dug in scared while I counted down my fate
And then a big marine, a giant with a pair of friendly eyes
Appeared there at my shoulder and said wait
When he came in close beside me he said

"Don't worry, son, I'm here
If Charlie wants to tangle now he'll have two to dodge."
I said, "Well thanks a lot."
I told him my name and asked him his
And he said, "The boys just call me Camouflage."

[Chorus]
Whoa Camouflage
Things are never quite the way they seem

Whoa Camoufalge
I was awfully glad to see this big marine

[Verse 2]
Well I was gonna ask him where he came from
When we heard the bullets fly
Coming through the brush
And all around our ears

It was then I saw this big Marine light a fire in his eye
And it was strange but suddenly I forgot my fears

[Verse 3]
Well, we fought all night side by side we took our battle stance
And I wondered how the bullets missed this man
Cause they seemed to go right through him
As if he wasn't there
And in the mornin' we both took a chance and ran

[Verse 4]
And it was near the river bank when the ambush came on top of us
And I'd thought it was the end and we were had
Then a bullet with my name on it came buzzin' through a bush
And that big marine he just swatted it with his hand

Just like it was a fly

[Chorus]
Whoa Camouflage
Things are never quite the way they seem
Whoa Camouflage
This was an awfully strange Marine

[Verse 5]
And I knew there was something weird about him
Cause when I turned around he was pullin' a big palm tree
Right up out of the ground
And swattin' those Charlies with it from here to Kingdom Come

When he led me out of danger
I saw my camp and waved goodbye
He just winked at me from the jungle and then was gone
And when I got back to my HQ, I told 'em about my night
And the battle I'd spent with a big marine named Camouflage

[Verse 6]
When I said his name a soldier gulped
And a medic took my arm
And led me to a green tent on the right
He said, "You may be tellin' the truth boy
But this here is Camouflage

And he's been right here since he passed away last night.
In fact, he's been here all week long
But before he went he said, 'Semper Fi,'
And said his only wish
Was to save a young marine caught in a barrage

So here, take his dog tag, son
I know he'd want you to have it now."

And we both said a prayer for a big marine named Camouflage

[Chorus]
Whoa Camouflage
Things are never quite the way they seem
Whoa Camouflage
This was an awfully big marine
...


A moving song for me from the 80's ...

Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms (1985)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt ...

genius.com

...
[Verse 1]
These mist covered mountains
Are a home now for me
But my home is the lowlands
And always will be

Some day you'll return to
Your valleys and your farms
And you'll no longer burn
To be brothers in arms

...



Background ...

Police stage chilling' raid on Marion County newspaper, seizing computers, records and cellphones (August 2023)
kansasreflector.com

... In an unprecedented raid Friday, local law enforcement seized computers, cellphones and reporting materials from the Marion County Record office, the newspaper's reporters, and the publisher's home.

Eric Meyer, owner and publisher of the newspaper, said police were motivated by a confidential source who leaked sensitive documents to the newspaper, and the message was clear: "Mind your own business or we're going to step on you."

The city's entire five-officer police force and two sheriff's deputies took "everything we have," Meyer said, and it wasn't clear how the newspaper staff would take the weekly publication to press Tuesday night.

The raid followed news stories about a restaurant owner who kicked reporters out of a meeting last week with U.S. Rep. Jake LaTurner, and revelations about the restaurant owner's lack of a driver's license and conviction for drunken driving.

Meyer said he had never heard of police raiding a newspaper office during his 20 years at the Milwaukee Journal or 26 years teaching journalism at the University of Illinois.

"It's going to have a chilling effect on us even tackling issues," Meyer said, as well as "a chilling effect on people giving us information."

The search warrant, signed by Marion County District Court Magistrate Judge Laura Viar, appears to violate federal law that provides protections against searching and seizing materials from journalists. The law requires law enforcement to subpoena materials instead. Viar didn't respond to a request to comment for this story or explain why she would authorize a potentially illegal raid. ...


@#11 ... They don't serve barbequed iguana at Morongo Casino? ...

Along those lines ...

ESA Looks at Incorporating Insects Into Astronaut Diets
www.extremetech.com

... Humans have been eating insects for millennia, but despite the uncomfortable feelings a bug-based diet might evoke in cultures not used to their consumption, they could form a vital part of future astronauts' diets. A new study being conducted by the European Space Agency will explore how these miniature organisms could help recycle unsavoury compounds and create a useful protein source to supplement future space menus.

"Insects seem to cope quite well in space environments. They have a good ability to withstand physical stresses," said sa Berggren, lead author of a study published in the journal Frontiers in Physiology. Berggren also highlighted how good insects were at converting waste products that humans can't utilize into proteins and fats that we can, making them useful recyclers as well as sources of nutrition. ...

@#44

One question might become ...

Why did the Conservative Heritage Foundation endorse the individual mandate back then?


It looks like the Heritage Foundation wants to back-track from that endorsement ...

Don't Blame Heritage for ObamaCare Mandate (2012)
www.heritage.org

...Is the individual mandate at the heart of "ObamaCare" a conservative idea? Is it constitutional? And was it invented at The Heritage Foundation? In a word, no. ...

The confusion arises from the fact that 20 years ago, I held the view that as a technical matter, some form of requirement to purchase insurance was needed in a near-universal insurance market to avoid massive instability through "adverse selection" (insurers avoiding bad risks and healthy people declining coverage). At that time, President Clinton was proposing a universal health care plan, and Heritage and I devised a viable alternative.

My view was shared at the time by many conservative experts, including American Enterprise Institute (AEI) scholars, as well as most non-conservative analysts. Even libertarian-conservative icon Milton Friedman, in a 1991 Wall Street Journal article, advocated replacing Medicare and Medicaid "with a requirement that every U.S. family unit have a major medical insurance policy." ...




@#41 ... Crazy Democrats would use a Republican plan, then brag about it. ...

As I have noted many times on this most august site, ACA has roots in the Heritage Foundation.

To wit (yet again...)

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate (2011)
www.forbes.com

... This came up at Tuesday's Western Republican Leadership Conference Debate, where Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich tussled on the question:

ROMNEY: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

GINGRICH: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: Yes, we got it from you, and you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you.

GINGRICH: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

ROMNEY: And you never supported them?

GINGRICH: I agree with them, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.

(CROSSTALK)

ROMNEY: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

GINGRICH: I absolutely did with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare.

ROMNEY: You did support an individual mandate?

ROMNEY: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

GINGRICH: OK. A little broader.

ROMNEY: OK.


(Romney was prepared to go on, but Michele Bachmann, in her usual role as the person who makes the debates less useful, interjected and changed the subject. Here's a YouTube video of the entire debate. The Gingrich-Romney exchange begins at the 27:38 mark.) ...

@#182 ... "No Replacement Plan" is just like ACA....out of date and stale. ... m

OK, let's look at that.

"No Replacement plan"

What has the GOP introduced as a "Replacement Plan?"

Really, what?

Please be specific. This is health care, so please be specific.

... just like ACA....out of date and stale. ..

ACA has been working for millions (tens of millions?) of Americans.

Is it perfect?

Likely not.

But does it work?

Yes.

So, I ask once again, what is the awesome MAGA plan to replace ACA?

...

Candidate Trump

Candidate Trump on healthcare:

May 21, 2015
I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

Sept 25, 2015
Everybody's got to be covered.

Feb 17, 2016
We're going to have great plans. They're going to be much less expensive and they're going to be much better.

Oct 25, 2016
You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it is going to be so easy.

Nov 13, 2016
It will be better healthcare, much better for less money. Not a bad combination.

"I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid."
-- Trump to the Daily Signal in May 2015

"We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me. We will save $'s and have much better healthcare!"
-- Trump tweet in February 2016

Pres-elect Trump on healthcare:

"We're going to have insurance for everybody ... There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."
-- Pres-elect Trump to the Washington Post in January 2017

Pres Trump on healthcare:

"Our healthcare plan will lower premiums & deductibles -- and be great healthcare!"
-- Trump tweet in May 2017

...


So, Pres Trump has had over eight years to come up with his great health plan to replace ObamaCare.

What has he proposed?

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