Saturday, December 14, 2024

Trump Vows to End 'very Costly' Daylight Saving Time

US President-elect Donald Trump has said he wants to end daylight saving time (DST), arguing that it is "inconvenient" and "very costly" to Americans.

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President-elect Donald Trump said Friday the Republican Party would try to eliminate Daylight Saving Time, calling it "inconvenient" and "costly."

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-- CNN (@cnn.com) December 13, 2024 at 6:08 PM

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Obviously Co-President Elon is the one calling the shots. Miller must be pissed.

#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-13 05:36 PM

It saves money when it's light later.

The sun is currently setting around 5pm (4:45 today) compared to when it's sets at a between 8 and 9pm during the summer.

If anything. End standard time.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-13 05:58 PM

"Only a white man would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket and sew it to the bottom of a blanket and have a longer blanket."

~fake old Indian saying

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-13 06:00 PM

Listen.

Time is an agreed upon concept.

I'm just saying, Let there be light! in the PM hours.

Also, your proverb made me laugh. I've heard it before. But it's a good one. :)

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-13 06:30 PM

Time is an agreed upon concept.

That concept being the sun is due south and at its highest point in the sky at noon. :-)

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-13 06:36 PM

True. But. Why January 1st as the start of the year? Why 12 months?

There's a calendar where the year is split into 13 months, each 28 days long. Seems logical.

Also. Why isn't America using the metric system?

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-13 09:05 PM

It's just cause we agree on it.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-13 09:06 PM

It's just cause we agree on it.

Yep. If you have 10 minutes... (Neil deGrasse Tyson)

www.youtube.com

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-13 09:17 PM

I eagerly await the increase in child deaths due to them going to school in the dark

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-12-13 09:20 PM

If you have 10 minutes

My bad, 2 minutes.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-13 09:25 PM

I eagerly await the increase in child deaths due to them going to school in the dark

How does that work? I know that is one of the arguments.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-13 09:35 PM

DST results in the sun rising earlier than it otherwise would. You get rid of it the kid who are catching buses by 7 or earlier will be catching them in pitch dark.

Unless the school hours are adjusted later that is but that messes with a lot of society like working hours for parents

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-12-13 09:43 PM

As I think about it I might be incorrect

The math is giving me a headache

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-12-13 09:46 PM

from google

If daylight saving time were to be eliminated, the most significant effect would be that people would no longer need to adjust their clocks twice a year, leading to a more consistent daily light cycle throughout the year, with sunrise and sunset times remaining relatively stable according to the clock, regardless of the season; however, this could mean significantly darker mornings during winter months in some regions, potentially impacting sleep patterns and daily routines

otential downsides:
Darker winter mornings: Depending on the location, winter mornings could be significantly darker, potentially impacting people's mood and energy levels.
Summer evenings with less daylight: While summer days would still be long, some people might miss the later evening daylight that comes with daylight saving time.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-12-13 09:51 PM

As I think about it I might be incorrect

I was wondering. Messes me up as well.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-13 09:56 PM

Darker winter mornings

That's my thing. Sunrise at 09:30 would be kind of sucky.

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-13 10:01 PM

Also. Why isn't America using the metric system?

#6 | Posted by ClownShack

We're too entrenched. And dumb.

I once lived in a small city in Central Appalachia that a DOT study deemed too dumb for traffic circles.

#17 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-12-14 03:56 AM

If you have 10 minutes... (Neil deGrasse Tyson)
www.youtube.com
#8 | POSTED BY REDIAL

I agree with what he's saying.

Especially the part where he says, just when we want the days to be longer, we end daylight saving time.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-14 12:10 PM

I once lived in a small city in Central Appalachia that a DOT study deemed too dumb for traffic circles.
#17 | POSTED BY DBT2

Sounds like MAGA country.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-12-14 12:12 PM

Trump-Daylight-small

#20 | Posted by censored at 2024-12-14 04:17 PM

Perhaps the incoming administration could direct NASA to eliminate the tilt of the Earth's axis.

#21 | Posted by TenMile at 2024-12-14 07:00 PM


Most costly thing about Daylight Saving Time seems to be to be the twice-a-year discussions and political effort wasted discussing how it will be fixed.

Those discussion have been occurring for years.

To the politicians --- It is time to vacate your bowels or just get off the toilet.

Do something, or just stop complaining.


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-14 07:46 PM

Humorist OpEd column: 19 Things That It Took Me 50 Years To Learn (1996)
daryld.com

... 13. You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling reason why we observe daylight savings time. ...

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-14 07:50 PM

Found this...

How does Daylight Saving Time save energy? (I don't see a date on the article)
energyharbor.com

...

Fall back. Spring forward. It's the easiest way to remember which way to set the clock when Daylight Saving Time (DST) rolls around " and whether to grumble about short days or lost sleep.


Though the time change often feels like a pain in the clockworks, not only does it give us all more daylight to enjoy, it also reduces our collective energy consumption.


How much it reduces our energy consumption is another question altogether.
A brief history of Daylight Saving Time

You may have heard that Benjamin Franklin rst introduced the concept of DST in the late 1700s. He didn't, though Franklin did tell Parisians that changing their sleep routine would help reduce candle consumption.


Or someone may have taught you DST was created to give the U.S.'s growing agricultural industry more sunlight for eld work. Truth is, the agriculture industry actively lobbied against DST in 1919. Turns out, DST disrupts a farm's natural ow. If cows are milked at 6 a.m., a shift in time makes it more dicult for farm sta and animals. Either the sta work an hour earlier or the retrain the cows on the new milking time.


DST was actually introduced as an energy savings measure in Germany and the U.S. during World War I. After the war, the U.S. repealed the measure.


It returned in World War II in the U.S. and has hung around ever since. There was no conformity regarding DST during the years that followed. States could " and did " switch between DST and standard time whenever they wanted, for whatever reason they wanted to.

In 1966, the U.S. passed the Uniform Time Act, which standardized DST's start and end dates. The twice annual turning of the clock has caused debate ever since.

The U.S. Senate unanimously passed the Sunshine Protection Act in March 2022, which would make DST permanent. Even that has caused a stir. Kenneth Wright, director of Colorado University's Sleep and Chronobiology lab, says the time change should go -- but we should choose standard time over DST to avoid sleepy drivers in the morning and our bodies wanting to stay up later at night. ...



#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-14 07:55 PM

DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME BEGINS MARCH 11, 2007 (February 2007)
www.markey.senate.gov

... The change come due to the 2005 Energy Bill that was first introduced by Representative Edward Representative Edward J. Markey (D-MA) and Representative Fred Upton (R-MI) to save energy. An analysis of the Upton-Markey Daylight Saving Time amendment by the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy (ACEEE) found that by 2020, the amendment would cumulatively: save consumers $4.4 billion dollars, avoid the need to build more than 3 large (330 megawatt) electric power plants, avoid consumption of 279 billion cubic feet of natural gas, and avoid nearly 10.8 million metric tons of the carbon emissions that lead to Global Warming. This is because people consume less electricity in the evening if it's still light, and that cuts peak demand during the early evening hours.

"In addition to the benefits of energy saving, less crime, fewer traffic fatalities, more recreation time and increased economic activity, day light saving just brings a smile to everybody's faces," said Rep. Markey.

The Upton-Markey amendment is supported by studies which show that early daylight saving time and longer days decrease the number of fatal traffic accidents, reduce crime rates, and provide relief for individuals suffering from "night blindness." A broad coalition of groups including organizations like the Alliance to Save Energy, the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy, the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association, the National Association of Convenience Stores and the Retinitis Pigmentosa Foundation Fighting Blindness, and an array of small businesses which support American pastimes, from barbecue to baseball to boating support the legislation to extend daylight saving. ...


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-14 07:58 PM

@#25

... so ... if DST is so great, why not make it year-'round?

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-14 07:59 PM

... so ... if DST is so great, why not make it year-'round?

It's not, so no.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-14 08:03 PM

Morning people like standard time. Evening people like daylight savings time.

As an evening person I Prefer Daylight savings time.

Doing what we are, Changing time with the seasons is ok with me.

Everybody gets something they like some of the time.

Good Compromise is like that.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-12-14 08:23 PM

If you idiots want to live like Europe, go there. We hear I. The U.S. are doing fine.

#29 | Posted by boaz at 2024-12-14 08:25 PM

#29 | Posted by boaz

WTF?

#30 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-14 08:30 PM

you hear?

@#29 ... If you idiots want to live like Europe, go there. We hear I. The U.S. are doing fine. ...

OK, let's go with that.

What voices might you hear?

And who said anything about living in Europe?

Please explain.

thx.


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-14 08:34 PM

I prefer standard time and it's the actual time. Let's leave it on standard time

#32 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-12-14 10:38 PM

@#32 ... I prefer standard time and it's the actual time. ...

Yup Standard Time has that going for it. Noon in Standard Time is when the sun is highest in the sky.

But here in Connecticut, we have just passed the day of the earliest sunsets. From now on, the sunsets will be later and later until next year. Even though that daylight length is still getting shorter. Quite the conundrum, eh?

For NYC ...
www.timeanddate.com


#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-14 11:17 PM

From now on, the sunsets will be later and later until next year.

The winter solstice does not apply in Connecticut? It's a week away for most of the planet.

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-14 11:23 PM

@#34 ... The winter solstice does not apply in Connecticut? ...

Oh, the winter solstice applies here in the Nutmeg State. (and as an aside, Nutmeg State?)

But I digress.

The winter solstice is not defined by the sunset time, it is defined by the length of daylight.

Look at the link in @33.

Look at the two columns, "Sunrise/Sunset" and "Daylength."



#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-15 12:00 AM

The winter solstice is not defined by the sunset time, it is defined by the length of daylight.

Fair enough. Sunset time is not a metric I have ever considered as a metric. Controlled by latitude as a guess?

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-12-15 12:05 AM

@#36 ... Sunset time is not a metric ...

I have only presented it as sunset time. In that respect, it is a metric.

And I may have also taken a position to try to educate folk that the sunset time is not the sole determination of the winter solstice.

:)

#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-12-15 12:28 AM

Speaking of sunsetting ...
~ Donald J. Trump

#38 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-12-15 06:33 AM

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