France May Protect Allies with Its Nuclear Arsenal

Friday, March 07, 2025

France will consider extending the protection of its nuclear arsenal to its allies said French President Emmanuel Macron, while warning that Europe needs to be ready for the US to not "remain by our side" in the Ukraine-Russia war.

Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 07:32 PM | 56 COMMENTS | permalink

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Decades ago, France established its own nuclear arsenal so as not to depend on the US. They have 290 nuclear warheads and their range can strike Moscow. But Paris would be atomized within minutes. Look where Trumpf and Putin have taken us to, another "Mutual Assured Destruction" (MAD) scenario. Link: theconversation.com

#1 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-03-06 01:02 AM

Look where Trumpf and Putin have taken us to,

How is this anyone but Macron's fault? Just want to understand the logic here. Macron is the one throwing the Nuke card on the table.

Sounds more like the French don't have a military, and have been riding on the US taxpayers coattails to provide social programs.

Too bad they didn't spend their money to defend themselves, is that Americas fault?

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-06 01:18 AM

France is ranked 7 out of 145 countries in terms of military strength by the Global Firepower Index (GFI). In terms of receiving American taxpayer funds, in 2014 France received a paltry $802,840. The citizens of Israel and Ukraine are the largest recipients of US foreign assistance. Kabul receives more US economic aid than Paris (which is zero). See sources below:

Links:

www.globalfirepower.com

www.foreignassistance.gov

www.usnews.com

#3 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-03-06 01:52 AM

This is a good move by France because the only thing Russia has going for it militarily is nukes. Russia has to know that they aren't the only "crazy" people in Europe. Actually, while it was necessary to publicly state France's position, anyone with half a brain knew that this was likely to be France's position.

Russia has its hands full just fighting Ukraine. Therefore, I have no doubt that Russia would be defeated by NATO (even without the aid of the US) using non nukes but the price paid by all participants would be DEVASTATING. The primary question that the European NATO fighters would face would be: just how far do we prosecute the war? They would have to take it just to the point of posing an existential threat to the survival of Russia because that is when the nukes start flying.

#4 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-03-06 07:07 AM

Macron is the one throwing the Nuke card on the table.

#2 | Posted by oneironaut

The nuke card is on the table because Russia, a nuclear power, is territorially ambitious and imperially aggressive. It's on the table because the United States under Trump is an enemy of Europe.

What is it about you perverse sumbitches that you always erase Putin and his actions and ambitions from these discussions?

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 08:19 AM

Too bad they didn't spend their money to defend themselves, is that Americas fault?

#2 | Posted by oneironaut at

Everything was fine until Putin and Trump came along.

You people are just nasty. Frankly, not only your commonsense but your loyalties are suspect.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 08:21 AM

"your loyalties are suspect"

I have been trying to wrap my head around the notion that many, perhaps most, of the MAGA who post here are witting Russian agents.

If they aren't Russian agents, what would they be saying here differently?

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 10:10 AM

Everything was fine until Putin and Trump came along.
~ Zero

Not if you're a Ukrainian of fighting age. Which clearly you're not, you send a couple bucks and put a blue and yellow flag you bought of Amazon out, and scream everyone's a NAZI to feel better about your meager existance.

You don't care if hundreds of people die for a few yards of land. You didn't care the people crossed your own borders to slaughter innocent citizens either.

You're a hypocrite. You offer no real solution to problems.

I have been trying to wrap my head around the notion that many, perhaps most, of the Lumpers who post here are witting idiots that just escaped the asylum.
If they aren't idiots, what would they be saying here differently?

You don't find it odd that the "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys" a leading this charge?

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-06 11:21 AM

- scream everyone's a NAZI

That was Vlad... who had sent his KBG to Crimea and Donbas to create a, 'Nazi uprising'.

But not surprising that 1NUT can't wrap his head around the fact that Putin invaded his neighbors targeting civilians.

Not sure how this poster manages to keep himself from joining the Red Army to express his joy.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-06 11:38 AM

#8 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Sorry. I just can't take you people seriously as pacifists. In fact, increasingly I don't take you people seriously at all.

It's had to think of anything you won't support that leads directly or indirectly to harm for the United States.

Because that is obviously true, you are a Russian asset.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 12:03 PM

8 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Without Trump and Putin we'd have stable world right now.

There would not even be that freaking war in Ukraine you fake pacifism for.

And I have never known what a "Lumper" is. Apparently you think it's some sort of devastating insult.

Go wipe you ass on something.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 12:07 PM

I don't take you people seriously at all.

Probably the best strategy to take with most of them.

Your life will be a lot less stressful.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-06 12:07 PM

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#13 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-06 02:58 PM

" Without Trump and Putin we'd have stable world right now"

So, tell me Zed. Who was president when Putin annexed Crimea? Who was present dent when Russia invaded Ukraine?

#14 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 05:39 PM

Patricide Jeff, why did the------------- allow Putin to put bounties on American troops?

#15 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-03-06 05:42 PM

It didn't happen. Way to deflect my questions.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 05:43 PM

The demented orange pedo is Putin's bitch.

bsky.app

#17 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-03-06 05:45 PM

Who was president when Putin annexed Crimea? Who was present dent when Russia invaded Ukraine?

#14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This is a sort of magical formula for you people.

And it's been explained to you countless times....

Putin thought that Trump would hand Ukraine to him.

That didn't happen, so he invaded.

So now Trump will hand Ukraine to him.

Trump may well be the person who facilitates Ukraine's surrender.

Feel like a man now?

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 05:53 PM

Who was president when Putin annexed Crimea? Who was present dent when Russia invaded Ukraine?

#14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This idea that Trump is a strong man and that someone like Putin is somehow afraid of him is perhaps the most silly thing you people try to assert to the world using a straight face.

Trump has given so much to Putin over the last several weeks, without getting anything in return, that if you were real Americans you would be outraged.

I'm one of those who are outraged. You're a Russo-fascist sympathizer.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 05:56 PM

"Who was president when Putin annexed Crimea?"

"Who was president when Russia invaded Ukraine?"

I'm wondering how that's relevant.

Should the overall tenor of the response to those events change dramatically, depending on who the President is?

Now that Trump is President, and Russia has still annexed Crimea, and is still invading Ukraine, what changes for the United States?

Should Trump commit US troops, since the case is being made that Obama showed weakness, and that's why Putin seized Crimea and invaded Ukraine?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-06 06:07 PM

FFS. Zed treats his predictions like they are facts. When Putin invaded Ukraine Trump hadn't even announced another run and even with his run there was no guarantee he'd win. I'll be plain: Putin did NOT factor a second Trump term into his decision to invade.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 06:38 PM

" You're a Russo-fascist sympathizer.

#19 | POSTED BY ZED AT "

Hello! The 80's are calling! They want their foreign policy back.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 06:39 PM

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 06:38 PM | Reply

Quit being intellectually dishonest hack job. Everyone knew Trump would run again when Putin invaded Ukraine. You're hopeless. You really are.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-06 06:40 PM

The 80's are calling! They want their foreign policy back.
#22 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

You mean when Republicans hated Russia?

You mean when it would be unthinkable for a republican to say, "I'd rather be a Russian than a democrat"?

You mean when Reagan got Russia to tear down the Berlin Wall, rather than handing them the rest of the country?

If 80s republicans met the Republicans of today, they'd be mortified.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-06 06:43 PM

Quit being intellectually dishonest hack job.

He's incapable.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-06 06:44 PM

"If 80s republicans met the Republicans of today, they'd be mortified."

They'd be disgusted. But they'd bend the knee just the same.

It was 80s Republicans who bequeathed us Saint Reagan's 11th Commandment, which paved a clear path to today.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-06 06:47 PM

You mean when Reagan got Russia to tear down the Berlin Wall, rather than handing them the rest of the country?

If 80s republicans met the Republicans of today, they'd be mortified.

Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-06 06:43 PM | Reply

I turned 18 the day after the wall came down. The same day I registered to vote. That was a proud day for sure.

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-06 06:48 PM

"The 80's are calling! They want their foreign policy back."

In the 80s we contained Russia.

You don't think we should do that any more.

You'd watch Rambo III now, and be confused why John Rambo was in Afghanistan, fighting against our friends with the Red Stars on their uniforms.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-06 06:52 PM

Russia invades Ukraine, February 2022.

Trump announces run, November 2022.

Ukraine was invaded about 10 months before Trump announced a second run.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 06:55 PM

I was quoting your hero, Barrack Obama when he mocked Romney for sounding the alarm that Russia was a serious political adversary.

You all surely yukked it up when Obama said that. Also, today's Russia is not the USSR.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 06:57 PM

But, as always we can count on Snoofy for terrible equivalencies.

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 06:58 PM

Ukraine was invaded about 10 months before Trump announced a second run.

#29 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Everyone knew that he was going to run again. Had to run again.

Including Putin.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 07:01 PM

Everyone knew that he was going to run again. Had to run again.

Including Putin.

Posted by Zed at 2025-03-06 07:01 PM | Reply

He had to run again to save his hide and fragile ego. That was common knowledge back then.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-06 07:09 PM

Russia invades Ukraine, February 2022.
Trump announces run, November 2022.
Ukraine was invaded about 10 months before Trump announced a second run.

What do you mean?

Trump won in 2020!

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-06 07:35 PM

"Trump announces run, November 2022."

And it just happened out of the blue. Nobody thought he was the front runner the whole time.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-06 11:50 PM

@#29 ... Ukraine was invaded about 10 months before Trump announced a second run. ...

So, what's yer point?

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-06 11:57 PM

"Ukraine was invaded about 10 months before Trump announced a second run."

Ukraine was invaded about a year before Trump announced his first run.

One of the key pillars of US foreign policy relative to Europe was providing a credible nuclear deterrence against the commies, or any other revanchist threat. The fear was that each European country (+ Japan and South Korea) would develop their own weapons, which would only increase the risk of nuclear war.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-03-07 02:12 AM

Putin did NOT factor a second Trump term into his decision to invade.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-06 06:38 PM | Reply

Quit being intellectually dishonest hack job. Everyone knew Trump would run again when Putin invaded Ukraine. You're hopeless. You really are.

DingDong does not have an honest bone in his body.

There is no way he could know what Putin "factored" or not. No one does but Putin.

But I can guarantee Putin plays chess and has an geopolitical agenda many layers deep and he clearly intended to undermine the Biden admin and actively divide America separate us from our allies and weaken our democracy and disrupt NATO in any way he could thereby setting the stage for Trumpy's (potential) glorious and triumphant return and the corruption and destruction of America.

All of the things you apparently approve of.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-07 02:28 PM

France should put a few nukes in the Gulf of St. Lawrence .

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-07 03:10 PM

You clowns are hilarious.

You hid in your homes and drove a car wearing a mask for over 2 years, but really indifferent about the nuke card being thrown around. ------- nutters, every...single...one...of you.

#40 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-07 03:20 PM

France should put a few nukes in the Gulf of St. Lawrence .
#39 | Posted by REDIAL

France should make Canada it's 2nd State!

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-07 03:38 PM

Ukraine was invaded about a year before Trump announced his first run.
- mad bomber

This was Crimea. Not really Ukraine.

#42 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-07 03:39 PM

In the 80s we contained Russia.
- snoofy

So what changed?

But you didn't contain yourselves.

#43 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-07 03:41 PM

You clowns are hilarious.
#40 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

Not as funny as the morons, like you, who took horse medication for intestinal parasites.

You really should gain some self awareness.

But clearly, you're too stupid.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-07 03:54 PM

France should make Canada it's 2nd State!
#41 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

What's France's 1st state?

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-07 03:55 PM

Not as funny as the morons, like you, who took horse medication for intestinal parasites.

You really should gain some self awareness.

But clearly, you're too stupid.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-07 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

And look at you, still talking to them.

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-07 04:32 PM

Making fun of you for bragging about taking ivermectin is just one of the many things I enjoy about the DR.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-07 04:36 PM

"One of the key pillars of US foreign policy relative to Europe was providing a credible nuclear deterrence against the commies, or any other revanchist threat"

Republicans voted against that.

Any guesses what they were thinking?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-07 05:42 PM

"This was Crimea. Not really Ukraine."

Sorry. What?

That's like saying that New Mexico is not really US.

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-03-08 05:39 AM

"Any guesses what they were thinking?"

Are you talking the election? That was decided by more than just republicans. And I think they were thinking that, as bad as trump may be, he would still be a better prez than Harris.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-03-08 05:41 AM

John Rambo was in Afghanistan, fighting-
for the taliban

#51 | Posted by itchypossum at 2025-03-08 12:11 PM

No , John Rambo, the fictional character from the Rambo films, did not fight for the Taliban. In the film "Rambo III", he is depicted helping the Mujahideen, who were fighting against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan, not the Taliban, who were not yet a major force at that time.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Rambo's Role in Rambo III:
In "Rambo III," Rambo is recruited by his old friend, Colonel Sam Trautman, to join a CIA-sponsored mission to supply the Mujahideen with weapons to fight the Soviet Army in Afghanistan.
The Mujahideen:
The Mujahideen were a group of Afghan rebels who fought against the Soviet Union during the Soviet-Afghan War.
The Taliban's Rise:
The Taliban emerged as a significant force in Afghanistan later, in the 1990s, after the Soviet withdrawal.
Rambo and the Taliban:
Therefore, Rambo's actions in "Rambo III" are set against the backdrop of the Soviet-Afghan War and involve supporting the Mujahideen, not the Taliban

#52 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-08 12:18 PM

sure whatever.

#53 | Posted by itchypossum at 2025-03-08 12:51 PM

"And I think they were thinking that, as bad as trump may be, he would still be a better prez than Harris."

That's pretty vague?/?

You think, on the whole, they want the United States to abandon Ukraine, leave NATO, enact broad tariffs -- the specific things Trump is doing.

You must know people who voted for Trump. Do they want those things or is there support for Trump not based on any policy specifics?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-08 06:13 PM

#2
Putin has threatened the use of nuclear weapons on numerous occasions, even prior to Macron's declaration. Your failure to acknowledge full context is much too frequent.

#55 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-03-08 09:05 PM

@#55 .,.. Putin has threatened the use of nuclear weapons on numerous occasions ...

One may have to ask ,,, why does the current alias your are responding to seem to ignore that?

Hmmmm ...

One example ...

Where Putin stands on using nuclear weapons to win Russia's war in Ukraine (June 2024)
www.pbs.org

... The message to NATO from President Vladimir Putin was simple and stark: Don't go too far in providing military support for Ukraine, or you'll risk a conflict with Russia that could quickly turn nuclear.

As the war in Ukraine turns slowly in Moscow's favor, Putin declared he doesn't need nuclear weapons to achieve his goals. But he also says it's wrong for the West to assume that Russia will never use them. ...

Of course, that was before Pres Trump switched sides in the conflict, and now seems to support Pres Putin.

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