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An influential think tank close to Donald Trump is developing plans to infuse Christian nationalist ideas in his administration should the former president return to power, according to documents obtained by POLITICO.

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Insurrection Act, January 20th, 2025, at about 1:00 PM, EST.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-20 12:02 PM | Reply

Betting pool for the first American shot in the streets for opposing Trump?

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-20 12:03 PM | Reply

Isn't the second in line for the Presidency, Spkr Johnson, a Christian Nationalist?

Speaker Mike Johnson calls separation of church and state a misnomer'
www.theguardian.com

... Christian nationalist House speaker bemoans misunderstanding' of one of US's founding principles


The speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, has delivered his verdict on the separation of church and state: it is a "misnomer".

The second-in-line to the presidency informed Americans on Tuesday that their time-honored conception of one of the founding principles of the country was a "misunderstanding". Speaking to CNBC's Squawk Box, he tried to turn the conventional wisdom about the founders' intentions on its head and claimed what they really wanted was to stop government interfering with religion, not the other way around.

"The separation of church and state is a misnomer," the speaker said in an interview with the TV channel from the US Capitol. "People misunderstand it. Of course, it comes from a phrase that was in a letter that Jefferson wrote. It's not in the constitution."

Johnson was referring to Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut, written in 1802 when the third president was in the White House.

It makes clear that the founding fathers subscribed to a powerful separation of church and state, which they enshrined in the establishment clause of the first amendment. ...



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-20 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It would be nice if Politico could be bothered to define "Christian Nationalism."

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-20 09:23 PM | Reply

4. Why should Politico do so? How out of it does one have to be to think this is something new or invented?

www.goodreads.com

#5 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2024-02-20 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Isn't separation of church and state a two way street?

You're free to exercise your religious beliefs (Govt not interfering with religion).

Conversely, there is no religious test to pass to serve office (religion not interfering w/ govt).

I believe Johnson has a very skewed vision of the phrase.

#6 | Posted by brass30 at 2024-02-21 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How would that be different than the Taliban?

#7 | Posted by bat4255 at 2024-02-21 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just say Nazism because that is what it is.

#8 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-21 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

define "Christian Nationalism."

Nazis.

Period.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-21 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pop quiz.

Who wrote the following:

(1) God made every person in His image;
(2) each person therefore has value that far exceeds the ability of human beings to calculate; and
(3) human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God.

Answer:

A) The Taliban
B) The Supreme Ayatollah of Iran
C) The Supreme Court of Alabama

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-21 11:37 AM | Reply

It would be nice if Politico could be bothered to define "Christian Nationalism."

#4 | Posted by BellRinger

It would be nice if one day you would take an anti fascist position. One can dream...

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-21 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It would be nice if Politico could be bothered to define "Christian Nationalism."

#4 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-02-20 09:23 PM | FLAG:
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3rd Paragraph of article

Christian nationalists in America believe that the country was founded as a Christian nation and that Christian values should be prioritized throughout government and public life. As the country has become less religious and more diverse, Vought has embraced the idea that Christians are under assault and has spoken of policies he might pursue in response.

It would be nice if Jeffj wasn't a piece of ----.

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-21 12:59 PM | Reply

It is what it is.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-02-21 01:03 PM | Reply

-Just say Nazism because that is what it is.

Nobody cares about the difference.

Question ... ... other than SCOTUS appointments, what did Trump do to advance Christian Nationalism in his first term?

Didn't see any references to them in the thread.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-21 01:05 PM | Reply

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them."

Thomas Jefferson

#15 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2024-02-21 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Didn't see any references to them in the thread.

#14 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024

If it scares a Lumper, a Lumpers is going to claim Trump's going to do it

It's the only way to motivate the useful idiots.

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-21 01:10 PM | Reply

"other than SCOTUS appointments, what did Trump do to advance Christian Nationalism in his first term?"

He did this


Q Senator McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those who perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I don't know. I can't tell you. I'm sure Senator McCain must know what he's talking about. But when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead.

Q Well, I'm saying, as Senator "

THE PRESIDENT: No, define it for me. Come on, let's go. Define it for me.

Q Senator McCain defined them as the same group "

THE PRESIDENT: Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at " excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

Let me ask you this: What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do. As far as I'm concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day.

Q You're not putting these "

THE PRESIDENT: Wait a minute. I'm not finished. I'm not finished, fake news. That was a horrible day "

Q Sir, you're not putting these protestors on the same level as neo-Nazis "

Q Is the alt-left as bad as white supremacy?

THE PRESIDENT: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely " much more closely than you people watched it. And you have " you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group " you had a group on the other side that came charging in, without a permit, and they were very, very violent.

Q Is the alt-left as bad as Nazis? Are they as bad as Nazis?

THE PRESIDENT: Go ahead.

Q Do you think that what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?

THE PRESIDENT: Those people " all of those people "excuse me, I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

Q Should that statue be taken down?

THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me. If you take a look at some of the groups, and you see " and you'd know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you're not " but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

So this week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?

But they were there to protest " excuse me, if you take a look, the night before they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

Infrastructure question. Go ahead.

Q Should the statues of Robert E. Lee stay up?

THE PRESIDENT: I would say that's up to a local town, community, or the federal government, depending on where it is located.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-21 01:47 PM | Reply

Question ... ... other than SCOTUS appointments, what did Trump do to advance Christian Nationalism in his first term?

Didn't see any references to them in the thread.

#14 | Posted by eberly

I guess you missed it, but he appointed religious extremists to the supreme court who are enforcing their religious beliefs on everyone else.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-21 02:07 PM | Reply

"Question ... ... other than SCOTUS appointments, what did Trump do to advance Christian Nationalism in his first term?"

The SCOTUS is the Christian Nationalist gift that keeps in giving.

But here is one outside of SCOTUS. A very big one you may have missed if you are in the fixed news bubble.

The January 6th insurrection.

"Christian nationalist symbolism was all over the events of Jan. 6, as observers have pointed out. But the movement's contribution to the effort to overturn the 2020 election and install an unelected president goes much deeper than the activities of a few of its representatives on the day that marks the unsuccessful end (or at least a temporary setback) of an attempted coup."

"Pastors, congregations and the religious media are among the most trusted sources of information for many voters. Christian nationalist leaders have established richly funded national organizations and initiatives to exploit this fact. The repeated message that they sought to deliver through these channels is that outside sources of information are simply not credible. The creation of an information bubble, impervious to correction, was the first prerequisite of Mr. Trump's claim."

There is whole lot more here:
www.nytimes.com

Anyway.

It's too late to worry about his last term. You should worry about his next term. He has had plenty of time to get his minions ready to do what he could not accomplish last time.

Read project 2025.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-21 02:10 PM | Reply

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Thanks...good post.

But my question was specifically to exactly what Trump did during his first term.

Every presidential candidate since Reagan has sought support from the Christian Right. Nothing new about that.

Calling it "Christian Nationalism" is cute.....but does it scare anyone?

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-21 02:29 PM | Reply

"if you are in the fixed news bubble."

I'm in the NO news bubble.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-21 02:29 PM | Reply

I'm in the NO news bubble.
#21 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're in the Know-Nothing Party.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-21 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"But my question was specifically to exactly what Trump did during his first term."

And my answer was he tried to use the power and support of Christian Nationalists to overthrow the US government.

There are lots of other things he did in support of Christian Nationalism but I am not looking them up for you.

...

I'm in the NO news bubble.

#21 | POSTED BY EBERLY

So you haven't read project 2025?

I have.

Here is a pretty good summary.

communityjournal.net

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-21 02:43 PM | Reply

I'm in the NO news bubble.

#21 | Posted by eberly

"Mission accomplished!"

-Putin

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-21 02:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Calling it "Christian Nationalism" is cute.....but does it scare anyone?

#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY

We'll not you obviously.

Ignorance is bliss. Until it comes to your front door and demands your arrest.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-21 02:45 PM | Reply

"Every presidential candidate since Reagan has sought support from the Christian Right. Nothing new about that."

Nothing new about appealing to racism.

Christian Right == Racist Southerners.

If you don't believe me, ask Google why the Southern Baptists caused a schism in the Baptist Church around the time of the Civil War.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-21 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"We'll not you obviously.
Ignorance is bliss. Until it comes to your front door and demands your arrest."

So that's what you want?

fear? Fear that leads to what?

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-21 03:31 PM | Reply

fear? Fear that leads to what?
#27 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Just let the government inspectors inspect your daughters -------- to make sure they're truly female, and you have nothing to worry about.
Can't be too safe these days, with all the transgender predatory behavior in women's locker rooms.
Thank you for your required cooperation.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-21 03:45 PM | Reply

23

Good read. I'm not doubting the truth of any of it.

Spite and Retribution are what fuels Trump and it's absurd the Heritage Foundation is working with Trump so closely.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-21 04:05 PM | Reply

"it's absurd the Heritage Foundation is working with Trump so closely."

Not absurd at all.
It's entirely on message.
It's why Heritage Foundation exists.
Heritage Foundation is a Christian Nationalist organization that supports fascism.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-21 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So that's what you want?

fear? Fear that leads to what?

#27 | Posted by eberly

If you had any brains it would lead to you voting for the non fascist party.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-21 04:24 PM | Reply

Interview yesterday with one of this reports authors:

Christian nationalists await Trump's return with plans to undo sexual revolution: report

Birth control, same sex marriage, and no-fault divorce are among the likely targets for elimination in a second Trump term if Christian nationalists are able to leverage positions in the administration to impose their priorities. Heidi Przybyla, national investigative correspondent for Politico, discusses new reporting on the major players in the Christian nationalist movement making plans for a potential second Trump term.

www.msnbc.com

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-21 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-If you had any brains it would lead to you voting for the non fascist party.

I do....

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-21 04:49 PM | Reply

-If you had any brains it would lead to you voting for the non fascist party.

I do....

#33 | Posted by eberly

Is this the part where you pretend having to wear a mask at the grocery store was more fascist than an attempt to overthrow democracy?

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-21 05:09 PM | Reply

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no

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-21 05:29 PM | Reply

That happens and I and my son will be leaving America, and happily so. Will NOT live in a fundamentalist religious theocracy.

#36 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-02-22 08:46 AM | Reply

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