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Monday, March 18, 2024

A veteran Democratic campaign consultant who was diagnosed with Alzheimer's in 2019 will end his life through euthanasia in Switzerland this week, Politico reports.

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Can't say I blame him given the alternative. Might as well go out as pleasantly as possible. Something like the Soylent Green suicide clinic seems adequate.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-17 10:03 AM | Reply

Big Medicine, Big Pharma, and Big Religion and the Bought politicians they lavish obscene amounts of money on, will spend Billions to prevent Americans from having the right to choose to end our life with dignity.

The plan is to suck all our resources from each of us as we falter and Pass Away. They will kill to keep the End Of Life Money Grab as they wallow in the hard earned life savings of the Elderly and Dying with no hope.

Big Religion should be a supporter of End of Life power to decide. Heaven is what the faithful have been promided; makes no sense that 'the chosen' should not be allowed to pass sooner to be with The Lord.

Why would they want to delay or deprive us of the joy of Heavenly Bliss, sooner than later?

#2 | Posted by Wardog at 2024-03-17 11:13 AM | Reply

The plan is to suck all our resources from each of us as we falter and Pass Away. They will kill to keep the End Of Life Money Grab as they wallow in the hard earned life savings of the Elderly and Dying with no hope.

When my dad was dying from ALS the doctors recommended a drug that wasn't covered by insurance (and he had great insurance) that would cost 900 bucks a month (this is a couple decades ago I know 900 a month is basically free for drugs these days) that might allow him to live a couple more months. When asked about the quality of life difference there would have been no change it just would have kept him alive in his body that was already failing him for a bit longer. He decided not to take it and the doctor seemed shocked that he wouldn't spend a house payment a month for a couple years just to live a couple months.

I'm not going to say he commited suicide but he stopped breathing shortly after his second dose of morphine in only 30 min. and his mind was not going just his body so I don't think he was confused as to how long it had been. I saw it happen and I said nothing and do not regret it.

I do know that my fathers end of life decisions have allowed my mother to have a very good retirement without the money worries of so many.

#3 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2024-03-17 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

I'm always in the middle on this argument.

In principle, I'm utterly in favor of the personal choice to die with dignity. The fact we give our pets more mercy in the end than fellow humans is disgusting.

In practice, I worry about implementation and a capitalist society that may push people towards choosing death over cutting into an insurance company's quarterly revenue.

#4 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-18 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Death with dignity... very few that even have a pill take the pill. "I worry about implementation" "Physician-assisted suicide, or "medical aid in dying", is legal in eleven jurisdictions: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington."
In WA, you need two doctors to sign off. If you have full on dementia then you are too late and will die slowly to where you are tube fed.

#5 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-03-18 11:22 AM | Reply

The reason he is heading to Switzerland instead of one of the U.S. states that allow euthanasia:
"He decided to go overseas because any U.S. states that permit euthanasia require that the patient have only months left to live. 'What's the point? You know, why sit around the house and watch a little piece of your brain disappear every day?' "

#6 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-18 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He decided to go overseas because any U.S. states that permit euthanasia require that the patient have only months left to live...."

Thanks, crony-capitalism.

#7 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-18 01:11 PM | Reply

How many people remember 2004 when republicans exploited a suffering vegetable woman and refused to let her die to score political points with the talibaptists?

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-18 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

We don't get to choose our burden.

Why not just shoot himself? That has more credibility and weight behind it.

I don't admire suicide, but if you're going to do it,at least pull the trigger yourself.

Expecting others to help is a burden on Them.

It's also a very slippery slope to killing inconvenient or expensive people just to get them out of the way.

Suicide should be self inflicted.

Anything else is Murder.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-18 01:19 PM | Reply

"I don't admire suicide, but if you're going to do it,at least pull the trigger yourself."

Or set yourself on fire to make a bold statement on what you oppose that will be forgotten days later.

"Expecting others to help is a burden on Them."

Expecting a death with dignity is a burden? Have you thought about the burden Alzheimer places on others and the humiliation it places on the victim ?

We all die. You will die too. So be careful what you ask for. Your Karma has a way of making it come true for you.

Momento Mori.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-18 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"How many people remember 2004 when republicans exploited a suffering vegetable woman and refused to let her die to score political points with the talibaptists?"

I remember both parties exploiting her in a disgusting manner as a political football.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-18 01:37 PM | Reply

#10 My mother died from dementia. I took care of her to the very end. I didn't work for five years while I took care of her.

My brother and several health care providers suggested I kill her.

My brother refused to help her in any way,he lived less than 2 miles from her but never visited.

He wanted her to Die, he constantly told me to smother her with a pillow.

She herself didn't want to die. She was helpless and hopeless but never wanted to die.

What was I supposed to do?

Help her die? She wasn't suicidal,she was inconvenient and embarrassing to the family.

You don't know me, you don't know what I have carried.

Facile excuses and glib certainty are for lightweight people who have never shouldered real weight.

Her death hung over me as a metaphysical certainty for 5 years before she died. I had people pushing me to end it with "dignity".

If she had wanted to die,should I have smothered her to make my brother happy?

You don't know anything about real ambiguity and doubt.

Suicide is Self Murder. The key word here is SELF.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-18 01:52 PM | Reply

Momento Mori.

mEmento mori /mr"/

noun

1. A reminder of death or mortality, especially a death's-head.
2. A reminder of human failures or errors.
3. A reminder (as a death's head) of your mortality.

#13 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-03-18 02:16 PM | Reply

"What was I supposed to do?"

Whatever you can. She did not want to die so you try and make her as comfortable as you can.

However, your life belongs to you. Not the state. Taking your own life is not murder or stealing.

If you want to choose the way you die at the end that should be up to you (as long as it does not cause harm to others).

"If she had wanted to die,should I have smothered her to make my brother happy?"

You really have to ask that? Seriously? You are right about one thing ... I don't know you but you sure have a very creepy sounding family!

Her life did not belong to you or your brother(sound like you both need some serious therapy) and assisted death should be approved by some official means like two licensed physicians (not distraught family members) and should not need to be within months of terminal disease like cancer eating you alive from the inside or dementia destroying your humanity. It is your life and your death should be at the time and place of your choosing (within reason and as long as it does no harm to others).

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-18 02:18 PM | Reply

Thank you CHUFFY. I did not check my spelling ...

But good on you for looking it up!

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-18 02:20 PM | Reply

Watching Mom die slowly for years while my brother pushed for her death has made me in no need of such reminders.

Truly self inflicted death is not a good thing,but understandable under some circumstances.

Expecting others to carry the weight of your death is selfish and cruel to the people expected to perform this "service".

This chump should go find a quiet place outside in nature and shoot HIMSELF.

He's still lucid. He knows what he wants. Why burden the souls of others with his private fears and doubts? Why expect others to put themselves in jeopardy for his weakness?

A bullet is cheaper than travelling to Switzerland too. There's that.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-18 02:23 PM | Reply

There's a difference between voluntary and involuntary euthanasia. The Schiavo case was clearly the latter.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-18 02:24 PM | Reply

Her brain was liquid.

#18 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-18 02:25 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-03-18 02:25 PM | FLAG: "

Was the root cause of her affliction ever determined?

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-18 02:29 PM | Reply

The Schiavo case was clearly the latter.

#17 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Which should have highlighted the importance of an advanced health care directive.

So that YOUR wishes will be known should it ever happen to you.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-18 02:30 PM | Reply

Does your question go anywhere?

her brain was liquid. She was braindead.

I would trust her husband to carry out her wishes better than I would George W Bush or foxnews, which is who basically put a stop to him pulling the plug.

The Schiavo case was a family problem and we shouldn't even know about it.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-18 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Small government" conservatives apparently do not agree with me.

#22 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-18 02:32 PM | Reply

"Which should have highlighted the importance of an advanced health care directive.
So that YOUR wishes will be known should it ever happen to you."

How lovely. A Kafkaesque loophole to justify involuntary "euthanasia" if the records are not all in order. What could possibly go wrong?

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-18 02:51 PM | Reply

#21. You misunderstood my question. Was it ever determined what happened to her that caused her brain to shrink to half size? I couldn't find anything with a quick search and thought you might know. It was a medical question.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-18 02:58 PM | Reply

I remember both parties exploiting her in a disgusting manner as a political football.

#11 | Posted by sentinel

Do you remember which side was pro-mercy and which side was pro-suffering?

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-18 03:15 PM | Reply

Bellringer- The brain was oxygen starved and parts of it withered and died.

#26 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-18 03:19 PM | Reply

"Do you remember which side was pro-mercy and which side was pro-suffering?"

I remember someone arguing that death by dehydration/starvation was "euphoric". It was all kinds of messed up.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-03-18 03:23 PM | Reply

Was the root cause of her affliction ever determined?

#19 | Posted by BellRinger

Root cause of her affliction? She had a heart attack. She was eventually revived with CPR but lack of oxygen to her brain was the root cause for state. Oxygen deprivation killed her non-autonomic brain.

#28 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-03-18 03:33 PM | Reply

Thank you both toAlexandrite and Galaxiepete.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-18 04:29 PM | Reply

#17

Ever have a loved one go to hospice? It's just another name for the morphine will be lethal.

#30 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-18 04:55 PM | Reply

I'd like to see a Long Term Care option added to Medicare that recipients could purchase; similar to the Medicare drug plan. Have the payments taken directly from SS checks.

LTC doesn't necessarily mean placement in a nursing home but would include some level of in home care.

#31 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2024-03-18 05:16 PM | Reply

#31 Look for "Programs For All-Inclusive Care For The Elderly." PACE in every state except Pennsylvania where the acronym was already used for something else.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-18 05:21 PM | Reply

There's a difference between voluntary and involuntary euthanasia. The Schiavo case was clearly the latter.
#17 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Schiavo wasn't euthanized. She died of natural causes.

Seriously: ---- you.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-18 05:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thank you CHUFFY. I did not check my spelling ...
But good on you for looking it up!

#15 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

The latest Depeche Mode album (and concert tour) prevented the inner grammar policeman in me from allowing that to continue...

#34 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-03-18 05:49 PM | Reply

My maternal grandmother died with Alzheimer's, now my mom has it. She is 84, and it became evident to me in 2020 during Covid, but I suspected she had it as early as 2013. She's in assisted living now. So I figure at 60 I have another 10 to 15 good years. Then I'll chose the same route as this guy, I dont want my wife to ever suffer the heartbreak of my not remembering ber.

#35 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-03-18 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry to read that, GUNSLINGER.

My mom had Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. It isn't an easy road for any child to walk with their parents ...

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-18 06:18 PM | Reply

#30 For once, I agree with you. That is exactly how hospice works. They give morphine, "enough to make you comfortable", and at some point that line intersects with the line of "enough to make the heart stop". That is the quiet part that nobody is allowed to say it out loud. I have been through this with several terminally ill family members, and I'm ok with it, my sister is not. She screamed "malpractice" every time. I just wish they could be more open about it, but America isn't ready for thst (Catholics in particular).

#37 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-18 11:27 PM | Reply

I have a close friend who chose assisted suicide in one of the listed states. She had terminal cancer and made the decision well in advance, planning to end her life once her quality of life was seriously diminished. I I have another friend who fought to the bitter end, squeezing every last minute life offered to him even though he was in terrible pain. It is a very personal decision, and I don't judge either for their choice. The most important thing is to very clearly communicate your wishes IN WRITING to the people who will be making those decisions if you are incapacitated. Forcing your next of kin to figure that out or argue about it is the worst possible thing to put them through.

A DNR isn't good enough. That is way too vague. It needs to be much more specific.

#38 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-18 11:39 PM | Reply

"They give morphine, "enough to make you comfortable", and at some point that line intersects with the line of "enough to make the heart stop"."

That is not accurate.
Morphine does not stop your heart.
Morphine stops you from breathing.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-19 01:21 AM | Reply

That is not accurate.
Morphine does not stop your heart.
Morphine stops you from breathing.

#39 | Posted by snoofy

It takes about a minute for the heart to stop after breathing does after morphine is administered.

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-19 01:40 AM | Reply

Yes, heroin overdose deaths are often found with the needle still in their arm, indicating the loss of consciousness and then breathing control was nearly instantaneous.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-19 01:44 AM | Reply

#41 | Posted by snoofy

It's about a minute after breathing stops that the heart follows after a euthanasia dose of morphine.

#42 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-19 02:47 AM | Reply

Thank you for the correction.

#43 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-19 11:35 AM | Reply

The Terri Schiavo case should have been real simple. The parents should have had no legal standing, as they are not next of kin for a married person, legally and biblically. Genesis 2:24

#44 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2024-03-19 11:43 AM | Reply

The Bible is not in the Constitution.

You're welcome.

#45 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-19 10:32 PM | Reply

One of the worst sounds I've ever heard was the agonal breathing of a dying man while his mother wailed at his bedside. He was a very bad guy, but his mother still loved him.

#46 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-03-19 11:14 PM | Reply

As Fentanyl is so easy to acquire according to conservatives, taking ones own life shouldn't require much travel or effort at all.

#47 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-20 01:01 PM | Reply

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