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Wednesday, March 20, 2024

Donald Trump sent out a frantic fundraising plea centered around the possibility that Trump Tower might be seized as part of the massive New York fraud judgment leveled against him. The former president's lawyers notified the court that none of 30 underwriting entities they approached would finance the half-billion bond he needs to pay as he appeals the fraud judgment, which means the New York attorney general's office could begin seizing his properties next week if he fails to pay by Monday's deadline. "KEEP YOUR FILTHY HANDS OFF TRUMP TOWER!" reads a fundraising email sent to supporters. "Insane radical Democrat AG Letitia James wants to SEIZE my properties in New York. THIS INCLUDES THE ICONIC TRUMP TOWER!"

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The broke ----- ass bitch is a global embarrassment.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-03-20 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump lied and cheated for his wealth. This means it really belongs to someone else. Now that little detail is starting to be handled.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-20 03:03 PM | Reply

... "Insane radical Democrat AG Letitia James wants to SEIZE my properties in New York. THIS INCLUDES THE ICONIC TRUMP TOWER!" ...

He should have thought of that before he committed fraud.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-20 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gee, you mean even his usual goto money, the Chinese, the Russians, and the Saudis won't pony up for this one?

This sounds like time for a, "bloodbath!", PBs.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-20 03:18 PM | Reply

A real billionaire in this situation would just pay the fines out of pocket and reclaim it when he wins the appeal. Would save a lot of interest.

Assuming, of course, that the interest on the fines is greater that the interest on his super-shrewd investments.

Has LIV bought that golf course in Scotland yet?

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-20 03:19 PM | Reply

@#5 ... A real billionaire in this situation would just pay the fines out of pocket ...

Another aspect of his apparent inability to raise the money for the bond...

He seems to be unable to take out a loan against his properties' values. That indicates that he may not have enough equity in the properties to cover the bond.

Does he really own his properties outright, or have they been leveraged to the point that other entities have substantial liens on the properties?

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-20 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Does he really own his properties outright, or have they been leveraged to the point that other entities have substantial liens on the properties?

leveraged would be my guess. Trump will take risk after risk. He probably can't stand the idea of actual wealth just sitting there even if it's generating cash.

He can borrow against it and put that money in motion elsewhere.

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2024-03-20 03:50 PM | Reply

He should have thought of that before he committed fraud.

The single worst thing he ever did was run for president. He could've continued stealing from his charity, defrauding taxpayers and banks, screwing over vendors and living the life of a fake billionaire.

There is no way he could've been this stupid all alone. Putin either talked him into it with the promise of a tower in Moscow or outright threatened him into doing so.

#8 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-03-20 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#6 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

The most logical conclusion to this line of thinking is that Trump is NOT a billionaire, as he would have his cult followers believe. If NY starts seizing Donald's leveraged property, the entire house of cards may tumble. I don't think that's going to happen. NY probably doesn't have the personnel in place to manage these assets. But we'll see.

I don't normally eat popcorn, but I may have to start.

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-20 04:13 PM | Reply

#8

I've thought for a long time that some entities (probably Russians) are pulling Donald's strings because he owes them a significant amount of money. Considering how the Russians react to broken deals, DT may literally be running for his life.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-20 04:17 PM | Reply

@#10 ... I've thought for a long time that some entities (probably Russians) are pulling Donald's strings because he owes them a significant amount of money. ...

BaFin to Deepen Deutsche Bank Money Laundering Investigation (Feb 2019)
www.financemagnates.com

...Deutsche Bank released a statement on Friday saying that BaFin, the German financial regulator, has extended the remit of an independent auditor examining the lender's role in the Danske Bank money laundering scandal.

The case stems from an ongoing investigation into the Danish bank's Estonian division.

After a whistle-blower sounded the alarm about the activity of certain customers, most of whom were from Russia and the former Soviet Union, in late 2018, it became apparent that Danske Bank's Tallinn-based operations were doing business with some less than scrupulous individuals.

It is alleged that the bank laundered around $225 billion from 2007 to 2014. If that is the case, it would potentially be the largest instance of money laundering ever uncovered.

Deutsche Bank falls into the mix as it acted as Danske Bank's main correspondent bank. According to the Financial Times, the German bank was responsible for facilitating $180 billion in suspicious transactions....

[emphasis mine]

Deutsche Bank Offices Are Raided In Money Laundering Probe (Nov 2018)
www.npr.org

...In recent years, Deutsche Bank has been in the news not only for its prominence in the Panama Papers, but also for its ties to President Trump, in a tumultuous relationship that goes back some 20 years.

Trump and the bank once sued each other after he failed to repay a $300 million loan. And the author and reporter Luke Harding has described a "shuffle of money" between the bank's dealings with figures in Russia and its business with Trump. ...

[emphasis mine]


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-20 04:31 PM | Reply

He doesn't even own the building. SAD!

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-20 05:09 PM | Reply

He doesn't even own the building.

They should repo the "T" off of the sign.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-20 05:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#13

Or just relabel it to 'Fraud Tower'.

#14 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-03-20 06:01 PM | Reply

@#14 ... Or just relabel it to 'Fraud Tower'. ...

That may be closer to the reality of the situation.

Stated differently,

If Trump Tower is so precious, why cannot fmr Pres trump negotiate an equity loan so that he can post bond?

Wally - What To Do (1974)
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#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-20 08:33 PM | Reply

Polonium for Trump?

Putin needs his pound of flesh.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-21 01:16 PM | Reply

It seems like a miscarriage of justice to require the fine to be paid before the appeal.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-22 03:41 PM | Reply

@#17 ... It seems like a miscarriage of justice to require the fine to be paid before the appeal. ...

How can following the law be a miscarriage pf justice?


It is not a requirement for the fine to be paid before an appeal, but a requirement that the fine can be paid quickly should an appeal fail.

It is the law in NY.



#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-22 03:48 PM | Reply

It seems like a miscarriage of justice to require the fine to be paid before the appeal.
#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

There it is!
I knew you would come through.
Trump is being treated unfairly.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-22 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's not peculiar to NY, either, and thousands and thousands of people have had to do it for decades. Now that it's Trump all of a sudden it's a problem? In California the bond is 150%. Trump's lucky he's in NY.

Do you really not understand how the appeal process on civil matters works and why?

Trump chose to play the game stupidly and deceitfully and he got caught. The rules are the rules, though he's getting way more choices and coddling than any of us would get.

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-22 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There it is!
I knew you would come through.

Seriously. He did just that - the one that swears he didn't vote for that orange oxygen thief.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-22 03:58 PM | Reply

It seems like a miscarriage of justice to require the fine to be paid before the appeal.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-03-22 03:41 PM | REPLY

He can't afford the appeal. Tough.

#22 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-03-22 04:00 PM | Reply

It seems like a miscarriage of justice to require the fine to be paid before the appeal.

To be clear he's not paying the fine before the appeal. He's putting up all the money to pay the fine should he lose the appeal. Plus a handy carrying charge for bringing the appeal and for the bond fees.

His choice. Like every other human has to do.

#23 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-22 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Right!

Think of it like escrow. It's to prevent someone from requesting an appeal and then, if they lose the appeal, just saying "So? I don't have the money anyway!".

#24 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-03-22 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Trump is being treated unfairly."

Oh he ABSOLUTELY is.

Any one of us who took classified documents, refused to give them back, lied about still having them, and enlisted others to hide evidence, would be rotting in jail until the government deigned to give us a court date.

So all you "two-tiered" justice folks, say it with me: Until and unless Trump is jailed immediately without bail, he's being treated unfairly.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-22 05:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#15 ... If Trump Tower is so precious, why cannot fmr Pres trump negotiate an equity loan so that he can post bond? ...

NY Gears Up to Seize Trump Westchester Assets If Bond Unpaid
news.bloomberglaw.com

... New York state's $454 million judgment against Donald Trump in a civil fraud lawsuit was formally registered in Westchester County just outside Manhattan, a sign that his properties in the area may be at risk of being seized if the former president fails to post an appeal bond.

New York Attorney General Letitia James registered the judgment on March 6, according to the Westchester County Clerk's online database.

The filing didn't give a reason for the registration or identify any Trump assets, but it will allow James to more easily secure liens, should she decide to do so, on two of the real estate mogul's most valuable properties: Trump National Golf Club Westchester and the mostly undeveloped 212-acre Seven Springs estate. ...



#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-22 05:23 PM | Reply

Monday's going to be one heck of a day.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-22 05:35 PM | Reply

@#27

Then there's this...

Judge in Trump's civil fraud trial imposes monitor to oversee Trump Organization's finances
abcnews.go.com

... Effective Thursday, former President Donald Trump's namesake family real estate company has a babysitter.

New York Judge Arthur Engoron, who oversaw Trump's civil fraud trial, imposed a monitor over the Trump Organization as part of a judgment that also required Trump to pay a nearly-half billion dollar penalty.

Barbara Jones, a retired federal judge, has been overseeing the Trump Organization's finances since November 2022 as part of a preliminary injunction. She is now installed for the next three years.

As part of the arrangement, the Trump Organization must open its books to Jones, who has also been given the ability to suggest court-ordered changes in how the Trump Organization operates.

She must be notified about any large cash transfers, the creation or dissolution of assets, the restructuring of debt and "any efforts to secure surety bonds," according to Engoron's order issued Thursday. ...


#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-22 06:09 PM | Reply

Monday's going to be one heck of a day.

#27 | Posted by YAV

To the tune of Jimmy Buffett's song:

Come Monday, won't be doin' alright
Come Monday, I'll throw catsup all night
I'll spend more lonely days in a Truth Social haze
And I just want to scream and incite

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-03-22 07:55 PM | Reply

Paying the fine before the appeal shouldn't apply to ANYONE. A fine of this size for a "crime" with no victims, valuation calculated by the banks, loans paid back in full and on time with the banks making a profit and stating they'd do business with the criminal again ... .this is political lawfare.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-23 10:47 AM | Reply

Even an Obama lackey gets it:

www.foxnews.com

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-23 10:48 AM | Reply

#31 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're in love with the criminal. We get it.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-23 10:56 AM | Reply

#30 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I suggest that you extend sympathy for Donald on the day he extends that to anyone else.

Donald Trump would not exist to menace the rest of us save for the help of people like you.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-23 10:58 AM | Reply

"a "crime" with no victims"

Not true at all. Are you lying, or ignorant of how businesses operate? Victims include taxpayers, investors, and competitors. They were either stuck with a bigger piece of the tax pie, lost money to the tune of hundreds of millions compared to Trump being charged the actual market rate, or, in the case of competitors, were forced to operate at a disadvantage by following the laws.

BTW, what moronic news outlet is suggesting to you there are no victims?

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-23 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#34 ... Not true at all. Are you lying, or ignorant of how businesses operate? Victims include taxpayers, investors, and competitors. ...

Also other victims may be some (e.g., Mom and Pop small businesses?) who applied for a loan but had to pay a higher interest rate or had the loan denied because of fmr Pres Trump's fraud.


#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-03-23 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#_34. Yet no competitors or banks or tax payers even considered filing a lawsuit.

Were Trump's assets overvalued in order to secure better loan rates? That's how the court saw it and I am not disputing that assessment. The amount of the penalty is WAY excessive. The prosecutor and judge are rabid partisans and levying the penalty prior to appeal seems like a miscarriage of justice to me. It really has nothing to do with Trump. I'd feel the same way if this happened to Bill Gates or Elon Musk.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-23 11:37 AM | Reply

"Yet no competitors or banks or tax payers even considered filing a lawsuit."

So...you're happy about the fact Trump could hide his fraud for so many years?!?

Does that somehow negate the crime, or make your "no victims" lie the truth?

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-23 11:43 AM | Reply

"The amount of the penalty is WAY excessive."

Again, whomever is informing you is stupid. The vast, VAST majority of the amount is recovering the monies which would've been owed.

For example, if the IRS goes after Trump for illegally deducting Stormy's $130,000 hush money, they'd charge him interest and penalties, yes, but just like in this case, the bulk of the money is repaying ill-gotten gains.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-23 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The prosecutor and judge are rabid partisans"

Yeah! The idea of chanting "lock him up" during campaign rallies should've disqualified her, amirite?

But since you brought it up...can you name a wrong ruling? And I mean truthfully, not just a troll barf.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-23 11:51 AM | Reply

"...levying the penalty prior to appeal seems like a miscarriage of justice to me."

I'll take Proud Examples of Ignorance for $2,000, Mr. Jennings!

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-23 11:52 AM | Reply

It really has nothing to do with Trump.

#36 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Sure. You bet.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2024-03-23 11:52 AM | Reply

"It really has nothing to do with Trump."

Really?!?

Take Trump's actions away; Still a lawsuit? OF COURSE NOT.

Trump's woes have EVERYTHING to do with Trump.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-23 11:58 AM | Reply

"The amount of the penalty is WAY excessive."

A $50,000 dollar fine would be excessive to me. But I am not a billionaire. But the state would not even flinch at imposing such a fine on me if I was arrested and accused of domestic abuse. Even if I was innocent I would still have to post a bond to stay out of jail. $50,000 to a billionaire is like $5 to me.

A $500 million dollar fine to a billionaire is appropriate for a billionaire especially one that shows no remorse and who would do it again if the penalty were not severe enough to cause some financial pain.

As for paying the amount up front this rule was designed specifically for corporations and billionaires like Trumpy to force him to comply with whatever ruling the court makes. As we know criminals like Trumpy who think they are above the law would use the law to run out the clock until his victims die waiting for a resolution and payment they never intended to make.

#43 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-23 12:04 PM | Reply

"...and levying the penalty prior to appeal seems like a miscarriage of justice to me."

You mean the standard process for these types of cases?

You're arguing that no one found guilty of anything should face any penalty until all appeals are exhausted.

Let's consider a person found guilty of first-degree murder sentenced to death. You're arguing they should not be put in prison until the decades long appeals process through the Supreme Court are exhausted.

Patently absurd.

Yes, a first degree murderer may pose a threat to the public or a flight risk, fine.

But, that same logic applies to someone found guilty of fraud. If the assets are not seized or paid (or bonded), the person found guilty can spend all of those assets leaving nothing to be recovered.

Again, your position is patently absurd.

Like you as a human being. Patently absurd.

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-23 12:09 PM | Reply

At this point, kicking jeff is almost sad, he is such a pathetic poster.

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-23 12:11 PM | Reply

#_34. Yet no competitors or banks or tax payers even considered filing a lawsuit.

Do you think that had ANYTHING to do with the fact that the defendant was President of the United States?

Or whether the source of the money that the banks used was likely from criminal organizations?

The only way you could have an honest bone in your body is if some ------ you up the ass.

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-23 12:13 PM | Reply

Maybe if Trumpy had kept his filthy hands off our democracy we would have never gone after his filthy money.

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-23 12:23 PM | Reply

You would all lose your minds if this was applied to Soros. I'd be pissed too seeing the excesses of the prosecution.

#48 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-23 12:32 PM | Reply

Truthhurts

You are a disgusting human being. Go eff yourself. If I ever met you in person you'd receive one hell of a wedgie and a swirly.

#49 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-23 12:36 PM | Reply

You would all lose your minds if this was applied to Soros. I'd be pissed too seeing the excesses of the prosecution.

#48 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Call 1800-Whaaaaa!

If you can't afford the fine then don't do the crime.

Someone's gonna lose control of his bowels when he finds out how much Bernie Madoff was fined.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-23 12:40 PM | Reply

" Someone's gonna lose control of his bowels when he finds out how much Bernie Madoff was fined.

#50 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-03-23 12:40 PM | FLAG: "

False equivalence of the century. But you be you.

#51 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-23 12:43 PM | Reply

False equivalence of the century. But you be you.

#51 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

On March 12, 2009, Madoff pleaded guilty to 11 federal crimes and admitted to operating the largest Ponzi scheme in history. On June 29, 2009, he was sentenced to 150 years in prison, the maximum sentence allowed, with restitution of $170 billion. He died in prison in 2021.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!

$500 million for Trumpy's crimes is quite appropro.

Trumpy will be lucky if he doesn't die in prison too.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-03-23 12:55 PM | Reply

There's no point in discussion with BellRinger.

He's only here to troll.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-23 01:04 PM | Reply

Truthhurts
You are a disgusting human being. Go eff yourself. If I ever met you in person you'd receive one hell of a wedgie and a swirly.

#49 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This is your response to me ripping your argument to shreds.

Pathetic

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-23 01:12 PM | Reply

WRT to the size of the penalty, one must consider that the goal of the penalty is to remove from the ------- Organization, all of the profits of the fraud. Since -------'s fraud was so blatant and widespread the amount of the penalty was likewise increased. You also need to consider -------'s actions during the trial and no I do not refer to his attacks on the judge and his staff, but his unrepentant attitude towards the fraud. Being he would hardly acknowledge any wrongdoing there is NO reason to believe he will change his behavior. That type of attitude is ALWAYS taken into account when deciding penalties.

Jeff knows these things, yet he chooses to defend -------. Make of that what you will.

#55 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-03-23 01:19 PM | Reply

yet he chooses to defend -------. Make of that what you will.

He despises Lewzer, but...

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-23 01:48 PM | Reply

Groundhog day with Bellringer. Or he has a concussion.

#57 | Posted by YAV at 2024-03-23 01:52 PM | Reply

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