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Tuesday, May 28, 2024

After the Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs vs. Jackson Women's Health Organization, though, even that sliver of an opportunity disappeared. Abortion in Texas was outlawed completely, and clinics like McAllen's shut down. Farther north, Texans with means could conceivably drive to Kansas or New Mexico; they could book a flight to Colorado, California or New York. For a brief time, they could go to Florida or North Carolina. But in the Valley?

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Post-rights America.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-05-27 06:55 PM | Reply

I wonder why Obama didn't codify Roe into law when he had a super majority...

#2 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-05-27 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 Looking back on it now, yes he should have. But he only had a super majority for a small period of time and was working to getting ACA passed meanwhile Roe was "settled precedent" according to every justice that was confirmed including those lying sacks of crap Alito and Thomas.

I wonder how much both those ---- were paid for their mental gymnastics to craft a ruling based on a man who thought "witch burning" was cool.

#3 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-28 07:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

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#4 | Posted by hackedmian at 2024-05-28 08:49 AM | Reply

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#5 | Posted by hackedmian at 2024-05-28 08:50 AM | Reply

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#6 | Posted by hackedmian at 2024-05-28 08:52 AM | Reply

"Real wealth is in a full heart."

According to Trump and MAGA, you're what is known as a Chump.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2024-05-28 08:56 AM | Reply

I wonder why Obama didn't codify Roe into law when he had a super majority"

Really/ You actually wonder about that? Here's a clue: Obama was President but it would require that Congress pass a bill to codify Roe and the cottipt Supreme Court could still rele it unconstitutiional. And the Senate could still filibuster the bill. Believw it or not Presidents are not given a magic wand when they are inaugurated.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-28 08:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Even most Republicans didn't think Republicans would overturn RvW.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-05-28 09:57 AM | Reply

People seem to be under a serious misconception

Congress does not have the authority to protect abortion access in such a way that this SC is bound to respect

This SC decided access to an abortion is not a fight

As a result Congress, short of a constitutional amendment, cannot protect it

They do not have the authority

They CAN effectively ban it by restricting interstate commerce of the equipment and medicine to perform abortions. But protect it? No

And we are looking at a conservative Supermajority for decades to come

Reproductive freedom, shoot even basic health care for women won't soon recover
Doctors will avoid ob/gyn specialty (already with the highest malpractice costs) like the plague. Who would want to tempt jail for providing care. Cause abortions are necessary care for many miscarriages which 1/3 of pregnancies result in. And that says nothing about losing abortions training as a skill

And as horrendous as lack of abortion care is the court is aiming for more rights-voting, marriage, divorce, sex, pornography, contraception and more

This court is aiming not for the 1950s but the 1800s by destroying all of the carefully protected structures of civil society and civil rights created in the past 100 years.

Conservatives hated the New Deal and overturning Jim Crow then and have finally the power to reverse it all. Reproductive freedom was a low hanging fruit primed to be overturned

I can even see a world where social security and Medicare are deemed unconstitutional

This is a brave new world and one we are singularly unprepared for

2016 and McConnell stealing a SC seat may be the most impactful thing since WW 2

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-28 10:14 AM | Reply

Why not use birth control methods and pills before an actual and dangerous and unethical invasive abortion procedure is needed? Any statistics on how many times an abortion is actually performed and reasons? Abortion has been turned into a political issue instead of womens healthcare.

#11 | Posted by Robson at 2024-05-28 10:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"birth control methods and pills"

Republicans will make birth control and The Pill illegal if they get the chance.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-28 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Why not use birth control methods and pills"

It's like saying to Anne Frank
"Why don't you hide in the attic?"

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-28 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And....why not just stay the hell out of a womans deciaion she needs to discuss with her Doctor and specifically is none of your God damned business? Whatever happened to Americans minding their own business?

#14 | Posted by danni at 2024-05-28 10:50 AM | Reply

"The prochoice side often wonders - often with breathtaking naivety - why those opposed to abortion want to also cut back on the use of protection that can suppress said abortions. That is because abortion reduction is not the real point, lifestyle alternation is. Get that? That women will be injured and killed by unsafe outlaw abortions and by forced pregnancies is not a great concern of the birth forcers - those wayward women should have known better than to get pregnant out of wedlock in the first place, and if raped oh well, the growing soul inside them takes priority to its reproductive vessel who needs to understand their Godly prolife duty. If a woman who would have gotten a legal termination if she could because it is safer than not having one happens to die from what seemed like a normal pregnancy oh well that's too bad, it's God's Will anyhow, and if she was right with Christ she is in a better place so what is the big problem. The wastage of pregnant women is well worth the glorious aims of the prolifers."

Gregory S. Paul

#15 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2024-05-28 10:53 AM | Reply

"Why not use birth control methods and pills ... "

Because Family Planning is ebil. According to evangelical dogma.

And apparently Clarence Thomas was for contraception before was against it.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-28 11:09 AM | Reply

"Why not use birth control methods and pills before an actual and dangerous and unethical invasive abortion procedure is needed?"

Why don't police shoot the gun out of the bad guy's hand, or shoot them in the leg just to wound them, like in the movies?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-28 11:15 AM | Reply

#6 | Posted by hackedmian at 2024-05-28 08:52 AM | Reply |

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#18 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-28 11:29 AM | Reply

Why don't police shoot the gun out of the bad guy's hand, or shoot them in the leg just to wound them, like in the movies?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-28 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are taught to aim for the largest part of the body.

Shooting a gun out of someone's had is movie fiction.

#19 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-28 11:32 AM | Reply

Republicans will make birth control and The Pill illegal if they get the chance.

Just look at the latest --- laws coming out of Alabammy. They are killing birth control not by stabbing it in the heart, but rather by a thousand small cuts.

#20 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-28 11:34 AM | Reply

I wonder why Obama didn't codify Roe into law when he had a super majority...

#2 | POSTED BY TRES_FLECHAS AT 2024-05-27 08:39 PM | REPLY

Fair question. I wonder how the 6-3 "Appeal to Heaven" Supreme Court would rule upon the constitutionality of same. Wait. No, I don't.

#21 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-28 11:44 AM | Reply

Where are the bodily integrity truckers?
There should be convoys and roadblocks all over the country with those bearded fellers protectin' the rights of the impregnated.
LOL.

#22 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-28 11:45 AM | Reply

I wonder why Obama didn't codify Roe into law when he had a super majority...

#2 | Posted by tres_flechas

Its never repubs fault for the awful things they do, it's always dems fault for not stopping them.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-05-28 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why not use birth control methods and pills before an actual and dangerous and unethical invasive abortion procedure is needed?

Because Repubs want to ban those too.

Because women should be barefoot and pregnant.

Because insecure "conservative" "men" can't project masculinity sufficiently to convince people of the manliness so they want to force it on people via sky daddy myths.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-28 12:26 PM | Reply

#2 Looking back on it now, yes he should have. But he only had a super majority for a small period of time and was working to getting ACA passed meanwhile Roe was "settled precedent" according to every justice that was confirmed including those lying sacks of crap Alito and Thomas.

I wonder how much both those ---- were paid for their mental gymnastics to craft a ruling based on a man who thought "witch burning" was cool.

#3 | POSTED BY NIXON AT 2024-05-28 07:35 AM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
| NEWSWORTHY 5

Wrong, the Dems didn't and would never codify it because they run on it and raise money on it every election cycle. Here we go again.

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-05-28 12:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Why not use birth control methods and pills before an actual and dangerous and unethical invasive abortion procedure is needed?
Because Repubs want to ban those too.
Because women should be barefoot and pregnant.
Because insecure "conservative" "men" can't project masculinity sufficiently to convince people of the manliness so they want to force it on people via sky daddy myths.

#24 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-05-28 12:26 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Your posts should be an ad for why abortions should be more accessible.

#26 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-05-28 12:35 PM | Reply

Your posts should be an ad for why abortions should be more accessible.

#26 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Your posts should be an ad for access to better and more affordable mental health care in America.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-05-28 12:42 PM | Reply

Why not use birth control methods and pills before an actual and dangerous and unethical invasive abortion procedure is needed?

#11 | POSTED BY ROBSON

Republicans want to get rid of birth control as well. And there are times when a women wants to have the baby but there are serious medical issues. How about when children are raped? There are so many factors that shouldn't be decided by a bunch of strangers.

Abortion has been turned into a political issue instead of womens healthcare.

Yeah, by Republicans who think they're doctors. Who are the ones making all these laws and restrictions? It sure ain't Democrats.

#28 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2024-05-28 01:04 PM | Reply

Whatever happened to Americans minding their own business?

You mean like the business that happens in a state you dont live in? If the people of a state decide they want something, who TF are you to say they cant do it that way?

Oh, I know, just in case you are fleeing your democrat hellhole and wish to move to a conservative paradise and you still be able to act like a liberal. Ok, I know..

#29 | Posted by boaz at 2024-05-28 01:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The states have spoken. Some like Abortion, some dont.

Go f*c) yourselves and stay in your state.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2024-05-28 01:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh, I know, just in case you are fleeing your democrat hellhole and wish to move to a conservative paradise and you still be able to act like a liberal. Ok, I know..

#29 | POSTED BY BOAZ

It's so funny watching you proudly display your child's level view of the world.

"Conservative paradise" lol

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-28 01:50 PM | Reply

Your posts should be an ad for why abortions should be more accessible.

#26 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Your posts are an ad for the consequences of one failing.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-28 01:51 PM | Reply

The states have spoken. Some like Abortion, some dont.
Go f*c) yourselves and stay in your state.

#30 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2024-05-28 01:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yes, and the ones who don't "like" abortion just force women, including some women who can't afford it, to travel to different states to obtain the same procedure. No "baby" is saved in this ridiculous process. Women are treated like property. Poor women spend resources they don't have (or they might not be seeking an abortion in the first place) .... and you cheer.

#33 | Posted by anton at 2024-05-28 01:57 PM | Reply

Some states are trying to pass laws that prevent traveling for access.

So boaz can stuff it with his "just leave us alone" BS.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2024-05-28 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The states have spoken. Some like Slavery, some dont.
Go f*c) yourselves and stay in your state.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-28 02:08 PM | Reply

Oh, I know, just in case you are fleeing your democrat hellhole and wish to move to a conservative paradise and you still be able to act like a liberal. Ok, I know..

#29 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Conservative "Paradises" funded by Liberal states.

BIG OOPSIE DAISY

#36 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-05-28 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The states have spoken. Some like Abortion, some dont.
Go f*c) yourselves and stay in your state.

#30 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Boaz, yet another republican who chooses willful ignorance over informed decision making.

One of the points being made by the author is that even without a nationwide ban, the way Dobbs has been enforced in impacting women's healthcare nationwide.

Women are travelling to ----------- states for healthcare. The OB/GYNs in ----------- states are now overwhelmed with patients, impacting their ability to provide basic gynecological care to everyone.

And that is just ONE aspect.

Doctor training is and will continue to degrade.

Fewer physicians are and will choose OB/GYN services.

There are little healthcare deserts in many -------- states-meaning there is NO OB/GYN healthcare to be found, anywhere, at any price.
So, even the smallest, most fixable issue with pregnancy becomes a matter of life or death for women.

How anyone can have this cavalier attitude towards women as espoused by Boaz is beyond me.

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-28 02:12 PM | Reply

I have posted this numerous times and it remains true.

The effects of Dobbs:

1. The rate of abortions nationwide has increased.
2. The level of effort and cost to obtain an abortion has increased.
3. The dangers associated with being pregnant have increased.
4. Fewer women are choosing to get pregnant.
5. More women are choosing getting their tubes tied.

Only a conservative could have a goal like that of increasing the number of children born that results in fewer children being born, more danger to women, at higher costs and a reduction in the long term prospect for more children.

Folks, don't let your kids grow up to be republicans.

#38 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-28 02:15 PM | Reply

Boaz only cares about screwing over poor black and white and brown women.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-28 02:16 PM | Reply

" The states have spoken. Some like Abortion, some dont."

You are conflating states, with legislatures. The legislatures might not like abortion, but every time it's been up to the state, they voted in favor of women's health care.

Red Kansas.

Red Ohio.

Red Alabama.

In each of those states, the voters spoke loudly and clearly, and each bested polling by surprising numbers.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-05-28 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here are the receipts for my comments on the effects of Dobbs

1. The rate of abortions nationwide has increased. www.guttmacher.org
2. The level of effort and cost to obtain an abortion has increased. www.aamc.org and self-evident given the anti-reproductive freedom laws being implemented.
3. The dangers associated with being pregnant have increased. www.kff.org also self evident
4. Fewer women are choosing to get pregnant. www.politico.com
5. More women are choosing getting their tubes tied. www.bu.edu

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-05-28 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why not use birth control methods and pills

So how does birth control help when a fetus is dead inside a mother and turns septic?

How does birth control help an ectopic pregnancy?

What birth control do you prescribe to a ten year old just in case she is raped?

#42 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-28 02:25 PM | Reply

Red Ohio.

Ohio even tried to cheat by changing the rules of voting to make it have to pass by 2/3rds when their polling showed 60% of voters wanted abortion protected.

They also tried writing the bill in the negative so that voters had to vote NO to keep abortion safe and legal.

They're not an honest party.

#43 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-28 02:28 PM | Reply

"Why not use birth control methods and pills"

Why don't parents teach their sons not to rape?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-05-28 02:29 PM | Reply

Wrong, the Dems didn't and would never codify it because they run on it and raise money on it every election cycle.

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2024-05-28 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag

Fishsticks sums up the GQP voter in one sentence...blissfully ignorant of history.

#45 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-28 02:31 PM | Reply

Abortion has been turned into a political issue instead of womens healthcare.

www.reuters.com

The General Social Survey opinion poll found in 1977 that 39% of Republicans said abortion should be allowed for any reason, compared to 35% of Democrats.

These groups portrayed abortion as a threat to the family structure, along with broader social developments like gay rights, rising divorce rates, and women working outside of the home. For pastors and parishioners, abortion became a proxy issue for concerns about a liberalizing society, said Mary Ziegler, a legal historian at University of California-Davis.
"For many evangelicals, this was more about family and women and sex," she said.
In 1980, the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution opposing abortion, reversing its earlier position.
Republican Ronald Reagan's presidential victory that same year gave abortion opponents a powerful ally in the White House. At the same time, women's rights activists gained more influence within the Democratic Party and pushed leaders to support abortion rights.

In the years that followed, conservative activists like Phyllis Schlafly seized on the issue as a threat to traditional values and enlisted evangelical churches, which had shown a new interest in politics following a series of court rulings that limited prayer in public settings.

#46 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-05-28 02:57 PM | Reply

There are growing voices out there that should scare the crap outta everyone. They are the underlying currents that are pushing these agendas. Like this crazy call to action by Andrew Torba, ceo of Gab.

Babymaxxing

news.gab.com

#47 | Posted by memyselfini at 2024-05-28 04:08 PM | Reply

When a Democrat SCOTUS justice can't even define a woman and thus by extension cant define "womens" health care, the entire discussion is moot. Who has the time for this frivolus ongoing debate over something that they say cant be defined?

#48 | Posted by Robson at 2024-05-28 08:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

...the entire discussion is moot

#48 | POSTED BY ROBSON

No, it's not moot just because of your "somebody can't define what a woman is" talking point. It's not moot for the women who are harmed from not being provided necessary medical care. It's not moot for the children who are sexually assaulted.

#49 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2024-05-29 01:16 PM | Reply

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