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Friday, August 02, 2024

Let's clear something up: Donald Trump singlehandedly killed the most comprehensive immigration reform bill in 40 years so he could use it as a campaign issue. Well, he got his way. So, again, let's clear something up.

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The truth will cause you indigestion and sleepless nights, Trump.

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-07-31 02:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yup, because of fmr Pres trump, the immigration reform bill, written by the GOP was killed.

So now we have to deal with this...

Hundreds of migrants leave southern Mexico on foot in a new caravan headed for the U.S. border
www.nbcnews.com

... Hundreds of migrants from around a dozen countries left from Mexico's southern border on foot Sunday, as they attempt to make it to the U.S. border.

Some of the members of the group said they hoped to make it to the U.S. border before elections are held in November, because they fear that if Donald Trump wins, he will follow through on a promise to close the border to asylum-seekers. ...


"Asylum seekers" yeah, that's what fmr Pres Trump killed.

The bill he torpedoed would place restrictions upon asylum seekers. GOP-authored restrictions.

But fmr Pres trump wanted to keep immigration as a talking point in his quest to further divide the Country. So he caused the bill to be canceled.

Trump says 'blame it on me' if border bill fails
thehill.com


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-31 02:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

That's the truth. Trump hates the truth.

Looking forward to much more truth being disseminated to the American public.

And shoved back in Trump's face ...

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-07-31 02:31 AM | Reply

Doesn't matter.

Republicans have played into his hand so willingly.

Trump starts fire just so he can claim he will put them out.

His sheep will applaud.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-31 02:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder if Lewzer's handlers let him see stuff like that?

Well, actually I don't.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-07-31 03:10 AM | Reply

@#4

OK, initially, I was going to counter the "played into his hand" part of your comment.

Then I continued to read and saw, "His sheep will applaud."

And I thought that was a more apropos description.

So I punted my prior comment.


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-31 03:21 AM | Reply

"Trump" referred to himself ALL CAPS and entirely in the third person in a frenzied, self-glorifying screed last night.

The man is dissociating again and edges towards psychosis.

He's a madman in the classic, old-fashioned sense. All he's done is get worse.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2024-07-31 07:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did JD Vance co-sponsor the most comprehensive immigration reform bill in 40 years?

Nope.

He joined other Republicans to in kill it when Donald Trump told them to just so he could use it as a campaign issue.

Trump and Vance aren't interested in solving problems. They're part of the problem, now cynically using immigration as a campaign issue. An issue neither did anything about.

Trump had unitary control of government his first two years. Did he propose and sign a bill to fund additional border agents, security measures, fund asylum courts, and fund other necessary solutions? Did Vance?

Nope.

#8 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-07-31 11:09 AM | Reply

This is a great political ad! Harris' digital people are on point. Every ad I've seen them produce so far has been smart and straight to the point. The ad with the Beyonce music gave me a shiver the first time I saw it

#9 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-07-31 03:08 PM | Reply

It was Republican approved and everything.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2024-07-31 05:43 PM | Reply

Biden/Harris reversed Trump's border EOs on day one. They opened the border and causes a flood of problems.
Hillary/Harris spent 4 years gas lighting us on the border.
Telling us repeatably, ignore your own eyes, the border is secure it isn't wide open.
Biden/Harris have re-issued Trump's EO and the border is "really secure, not like last time" according to former border tsarina Harris.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-01 12:23 PM | Reply

11 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

I don't think that whole border thing is working out for you like you want.

Once again, it you don't want these migrants here, don't hire them.

In my Texas town they are not being chased away. They are being absorbed. By MAGA.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2024-08-01 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The border is one of those issues where "both parties are the same" is effectively true.

#13 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-01 12:35 PM | Reply

@#13 ... The border is one of those issues where "both parties are the same" is effectively true. ...

Not really.

The leader of the GOP killed a bipartisan border bill in order to keep immigration as a divisive political issue.

The leader of the Democrats was willing to sign the bill.


But more to your comment, having to fall back on the ~both sides are the same~ type of argument just shows how weak your viewpoint is.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-01 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

-In my Texas town they are not being chased away. They are being absorbed. By MAGA.

They're being absorbed everywhere. Hired by employers everywhere in this country where they're needed.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-01 01:03 PM | Reply

I'm probably giving you too much credit, in simplistic terms, which you may be able to understand.

Republicans want the cheap labor and Democrats want the votes. Though there is a lot of overlap in those positions.

Populists and Unionists don't want open borders because it depresses wages. Leadership in the Republican/Democrat parties (Oligarchy/Globalists) have a different agenda.

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-01 01:25 PM | Reply

They're being absorbed everywhere. Hired by employers everywhere in this country where they're needed.

#15 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Sure. But it's only MAGA who turns around and with a straight face say they're invaders.

This right-wing hypocrisy even exceeds that on abortion, where MAGA knows that abortions are always available to those who can pay.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2024-08-01 01:35 PM | Reply

Republicans want the cheap labor and Democrats want the votes.

There has never and will never be any organized effort by Democratic operatives to try and register non-citizens to vote. I've worked with Dems for decades, and it's never been discussed even once because it's both illegal. This trope is as stupid as Donald Trump himself.

If non-citizens were voting in huge numbers it would quickly be revealed by the safeguards and checks already put in place - as is shown repeatedly as those caught committing actual voting fraud are almost exclusively white Republicans who stupidly believe those like yourself's assertion that Democrats are cheating.

Example: Tell us how anyone would be able to identify the politics of migrants, create fake birth certificates with which to register these people, and insure that they'd be willing to put their own presence in America at risk - not only for deportation, but for long prison sentences too - for the sake of voting for exclusively Democrats as you idiots keep implying?

You know all those hardworking, non-criminal, migrants coming from countries with heavy Catholic backgrounds? Those folks tend to be more conservative - and support conservative candidates - not Democrats, so there's that too.

This trope has always been nothing more than white grievance projection - just like most of the racist and sexist tropes Trump and those like him cannot stop using.

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-01 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

The truth doesn't matter in the right wing echo chamber.

Democrats want the votes.

Non-citizens CANNOT VOTE in national elections.

Who can vote?

You can vote in U.S. federal, state, and local elections if you:

Are a U.S. citizen (some areas allow non-citizens to vote in local elections only)

#19 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-01 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

1. Illegal immigrants count toward congressional apportionment.
2. Democrats are counting on a mass amnesty at some point. The assumption being that illegals will vote Democratic since they have been forced into the underclass due to their illegal status.

#20 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-01 01:58 PM | Reply

Voter rolls in Democrat held areas are not highly scrutinized. Democrats never find for which they never look.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-01 02:01 PM | Reply

#19 no one is going to prosecute an illegal immigrant if he/they vote illegally.

#22 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-01 02:08 PM | Reply

If laws prevented someone from voting, there would be no shooting deaths either.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-01 02:09 PM | Reply

Democrats are counting on a mass amnesty at some point. The assumption being that illegals will vote Democratic since they have been forced into the underclass due to their illegal status.

Two ignorant, bigoted, erroneous points. The only mass amnesty was the one Ronald Reagan granted, but I'm sure in your circles he's considered a RINO by Trump standards. If recent times have taught us anything about immigrants it's that they are as likely to decry new migrants as embrace them - definitely a non-Jesus, conservative trait.

Your assumption is based on migrants blaming Republicans while Republican politicians don't blame immigrants as much as they do Democrats due to the political potence of the issue. The GOP willingly accepts billions of dollars from those whose businesses depend upon the labor of undocumented migrants. There is an entire sub-rosa economy fueled by illegal immigration, happy to see the status quo remain as endless arguments around the edges lead nowhere.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-01 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Baaah! Baaaah baaaah! Baaaah!!"
#11 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

#25 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-01 02:16 PM | Reply

Reich-wing clowns who have no idea how voting actually works. Hush now.

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-01 02:17 PM | Reply

Voter rolls in Democrat held areas are not highly scrutinized. Democrats never find for which they never look.

Continue to prove to the world how little you know about voting. Every single voting location finds both Democrats and Republicans working side-by-side in signing in voters. Either observer can challenge any voter they deem is problematic, and such appeals are adjudicated by onsite supervisors from both parties. These people are neighbors and friends, and many have worked elections for decades in the same locations. Strange influxes of new voters again would be noted immediately because people have to register at a real address. You can't have more voters than places they could live.

The heaviest Democratic precincts also have Republicans working in them. If there were real problems with voting, they would have surfaced long ago. Here's the reason why: in-person voting fraud has to be done one voter at a time. There is no way to simply flood any location or race with illegal voters because of how we register and actually vote as individuals. Mass corruption is impossible, and no one knows precisely where and when extra voters would be needed on an election-by-election basis.

And lastly, for every claim of fraud made about a particular race ignores the fact that dozens of other people from many different parties are also on the same ballot for any number of different offices. None of these people ever raise fraud issues, why is that? It's because throughout history, Americans have done their best to cherish the constitution-given power of the ballot box. The winners have more legal voters cast ballots in their favor and the loser simply doesn't. Unless there is overt evidence of fraud, there isn't any. And unless you can show non-citizens voting - and explain how they were able to register - that almost certainly means that there aren't any in numbers close enough to swing key elections.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-01 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

" The only mass amnesty was the one Ronald Reagan granted"

He signed a bill passed by congress. The law was passed on the promise that the border would then be tightly enforced.

Unless Democrats get a strong majority in the House and nuke the filibuster with a majority in the Senate, amnesty will never happen again.

Fool me once ...

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-08-01 02:31 PM | Reply

-Republicans want the cheap labor

Everyone wants the available labor.

Politicians and pundits can hammer each other and partisans here can lap it up. Enjoy!!

But both sides know we need them. Period.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-01 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Democrats are counting on a mass amnesty

Why? To lose the issue? Hardly.

This argument hasn't changed in 40 years.

It's not going to change now either.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-01 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tony gas light much?

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-01 02:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

The assumption being that illegals will vote Democratic since they have been forced into the underclass due to their illegal status.

#20 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

By republicans. They have been denigrated and treated as subhumans and "vermin" and rapists and murderers by republicans.

And republicans support mass deportations. Who in their right kind would reward republicans for that abhorrent behavior by voting for them if they could?

Your hateful speech has consequences. Congrats!

Now you have to deport them all because now they hate you.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-01 03:11 PM | Reply

Tony gas light much?

#31 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Trying to turn republican gaslighting back onto democrats as if they are the ones doing it won't work.

But do keep trying. It's funny to watch.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-01 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Tony gas light much?

What did I state as truth isn't actually true? Running around posting the same ad hominem over and over again isn't impressing anyone. Either make your case by putting counterfactuals on the table or simply be gone.

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-02 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

On the up side... soon Trumpanzee will be seeking asylum into exile. I think Ivanka is working on that now.

#35 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-02 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Finding a location might be difficult since no one wants to take in our criminals and our mentally ill.

#36 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-08-02 12:09 PM | Reply

It should have been killed before it ever started. It was a horrible bill.

The ONLY immigration bill we need is an amnesty - and an agreement with Mexico and Canada on a plan to open the border Schengen-style.

Mr. Biden, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!

#37 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-08-02 01:19 PM | Reply

The border is one of those issues where "both parties are the same" is effectively true.
#13 | Posted by visitor_

The ongoing situation at the US-Mexico border has persisted for over 40 years, making it a longstanding issue rather than a recent crisis. Attributing the current border situation solely to President Biden lacks a factual basis and is largely politically motivated.

A bipartisan bill was proposed to address key issues at the border, specifically the lack of detention space and the number of border agents. Increased detention space and more agents would reduce the practice of catch and release, potentially decreasing illegal immigration. President Biden was prepared to sign this bill, which was primarily developed by long-time Republican legislators.

However, former President Trump intervened, urging his supporters to block the bill to prevent Biden from securing a legislative victory before the election. Consequently, Republican members of Congress, influenced by Trump's directive, halted the bill's progress. This action has shifted the responsibility for the ongoing border situation onto the Republicans and Trump, as he openly claimed responsibility for the bill's failure.

Swallow it.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-02 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-01 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Spot on. The goon outed himself.

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-02 04:53 PM | Reply

#16 | Posted by visitor_

Illegal immigrants can't vote. Your willful ignorance is outstanding.

Illegal immigrants can, however, provide labor.

Hence, there's only one group that you described that ACTUALLY receive something of value from these people and it's certainly NOT the Democrats seeking votes from illegal immigrants.

JFC You're stumbling worse than ever!

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-02 04:55 PM | Reply

Democrats are counting on a mass amnesty at some point. The assumption being that illegals will vote Democratic since they have been forced into the underclass due to their illegal status.
#20 | Posted by visitor_

You don't speak for Democrats. Your wish casting is noted as that's all you can grasp at: What you HOPE democrats actually want, being as deceitful and illegal as possible, to the point that you accuse them of being pedophiles running a child trafficking ring from a pizza joint's (nonexistent) basement.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-02 04:59 PM | Reply

Fool me once ...
#28 | Posted by BellRinger

So you disagree with VISITOR's wish casting that Dems are seeking another amnesty?

You could just say so.

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-02 05:03 PM | Reply

Tony gas light much?
#31 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You're the one lobbing baseless accusations at Democrats. Me thinks you don't know what "gas light" means. Or you're a despicable hypocrite.

Which is it?

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-02 05:05 PM | Reply

A bipartisan bill was proposed to address key issues at the border, specifically the lack of detention space and the number of border agents.

And asylum judges, the shortage of which means years-long waits.

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-08-02 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And asylum judges, the shortage of which means years-long waits.
#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

It was a good bill, the bipartisanship underscoring its value.

Anybody suggesting otherwise refuses to specifically identify what should have been removed from the bill to make it worthwhile.

"It was a terrible bill!"

Why? Point out specifically what was so bad about the bill, then juxtapose that specificity with what Trump publicly stated about the bill. You won't find anything specific about the bill's content in Trump's statement; only that Trump couldn't stand Biden receiving a political win so close to the election.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-02 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You won't find anything specific about the bill's content in Trump's statement; only that Trump couldn't stand Biden receiving a political win so close to the election.

That's his sole reason.

After blustering about immigration since 2015, Don-old did diddly squat about it with the GOP control of Congress and him in the WH.

#46 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-08-02 05:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's get one thing straight which rarely happens with Democrats. It was never ever a border security bill. It was always an immigration bill that would allow many thousands of unvetted illegal immigrants cross our border at the whim of Biden. We need to seal our border for a period of years and actually prevent all unvetted illegals from crossing our borders. Then regain control of our country for its citizens. Democrats as always want to turn our entire country into the unproductive 3rd world crime filled ghetto cesspools that they have already made our cities, only so the clueless inhabitants will vote for more Dem handouts and more trillions in debt.

#47 | Posted by Robson at 2024-08-03 04:26 PM | Reply

"" Democrats want the votes."
Have you spoken to any Venezuelans? I have and they are just like the right wing -------- Cubans in Florida would never vote for a left wing politicians much less for POTUS. I live in a giant South American city and have played sports with them and have taught them in English studies and have thousands of them as neighbors and they get violent very quickly if you mention socialism much less communism all the while getting free public education and health care for peanuts versus what the average American pays. The irony of them sending their four or five children to our free public schools and getting free vaccination and health care for their litter of brats all the while talking ---- about socialism after just 'popping up' in their host country is just beyond their stupid right wing minds to fathom. The vast majority of the citizens of numerous South American countries have had enough of them and just want them to leave or I should say "piss off!" as they have worn out their welcome by bringing gangs of undereducated criminals to rob, deal drugs and American weapons from Texass to the gangs inside their host countries. My sister in law has been robbed five times in the street by motorcycle scumbags, and her cousin has been robbed and pistol whipped after getting off work at the veterinarian clinic late at night by Venezuelans. We now have 8 barbershops in just two streets of my barrio which are just fronts for their cartel to laundry money made from drug and weapon and extortion and ransoms for kidnappings. They are pretty tough guys and gals but too cowardly to actual go back home and fight for their country's freedom and would rather just continue on mugging, kidnapping, gang raping and taking over banks with assault weapons than actually fight a civil war back home. I spent five year teaching them and that was the lawyers, engineers and doctors and their were very nice descent people but the latest waves of migrants have been the undereducated and they suck to say the least. Not all of them by thousands of them.

#48 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-08-03 06:04 PM | Reply

@#47 ... Let's get one thing straight which rarely happens with Democrats. It was never ever a border security bill. It was always an immigration bill that would allow many thousands of unvetted illegal immigrants cross our border at the whim of Biden. ...

For starters, if the immigrants apply for asylum and are given that asylum on a temporary basis until their case gets to court (usually years now), they are not in the Country illegally. They are following the law.

If they were in the Country illegally, then might not Gov DeSantis and Gov Abbott be guilty of trafficking in illegal immigrants for their busing those immigrants to the North?

The immigrants are in the Country legally, awaiting their court date.

I see two problems to resolve, the ease at which temporary asylum is granted and the resulting long wait for the court date.

The bipartisan border security bill, mainly authored by Conservative Senate Republican Lankford (from Oklahoma) addressed these two issues, among others.

It funded more courts and Judges to reduce the wait time for an appearance before Justice.

It also tightened up the criteria used to determine whether or not temporary asylum would be granted.

So... what else yer got?


 


#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-03 06:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DJT is the dumbest man in politics. He thinks asylum seekers are all like the "Beautiful Hannibal Lecter." He doesn't know what asylum means, in the context of border crossings.

#50 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-08-03 07:02 PM | Reply

@#50 ... He doesn't know what asylum means, in the context of border crossings. ...

Nor do most of the MAGA folk, apparently.

Which may be why they seem to be so fixated on providing solutions to the wrong problems.

For example, how will building a wall help to slow down the asylum seekers coming in, legally, through the border gates?


Why did fmr Pres Trump actively kill a solution to that legal entry problem?




#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-03 07:07 PM | Reply

"We need to seal our border for a period of years and actually prevent all unvetted illegals from crossing our borders."

My "good guy" AI says your "bad guy" AI is an idiot.

Food and fuel chains would be disrupted. Auto parts would become scarce. In less than a month, Americans may run out of avocados. Grocery and gas prices could surge, and Mexico, which is currently experiencing economic growth, would be thrown into disarray, which could spark more migration.

First, economically it would be a disaster for both countries. The US is Mexico's biggest importer. And for the US, our auto industry is totally dependent upon Mexico. If you shut down the US border for a couple of weeks, you'd probably start a recession in the US. I'll talk more about this later in this post.

Second, that concept (of closing the border) is uninformed. For a decade now, 60%+ of the people illegally in the US didn't sneak across our southern border. They either entered legally and overstayed their visa or flew in or came in through other means (northern border, container ship, etc.).

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-03 07:12 PM | Reply

What would actually happen if Trump actually closed the border?

Nov 29, 2018

"In September, the most recent month for which data is available, $34.7 billion in freight crossed in both directions on the border with Mexico, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Mexico is the US' third largest trading partner. Stack those billions up against the nearly 41,486 people apprehended at the southern border that same month, according to US Customs and Border Protection. One crude way to look at it is about $836,426 in trade for each apprehension that month."

www.cnn.com

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-03 07:21 PM | Reply

How much trade goes across the U.S.-Mexico border?

U.S. goods and services trade with Mexico reached $678 billion last year or $1.85 billion per day, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce. An estimated $502 billion in goods " about $1.4 billion a day " crossed the border via trucks and trains last year, according to the Commerce Department.

Can we estimate the cost of a border closure to the economy?

It would likely be in the tens of billions of dollars per day " certainly much more than the $1.4 billion in daily U.S.-Mexico merchandise trade.

April 04, 2019

www.uschamber.com

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-03 07:26 PM | Reply

I hate that Drudge sold this page to a far left woke liberal. I want to thank all of you for the laughs you have given me.

Most of you have no idea what is really going on. Like the the real truth. I have never read so much crap/nonsense in my life..I am an independent.

Thanks for the laughs.

#55 | Posted by NewOrleans at 2024-08-03 10:11 PM | Reply

Felicia, thou dost protest too much...good day

#56 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-08-04 12:43 AM | Reply

@#55 ... I hate that Drudge sold this page ...

Got evidence of that?

#57 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-04 12:48 AM | Reply

@#55 ... Most of you have no idea what is really going on ...

Again... got evidence?

#58 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-04 12:49 AM | Reply

I hate that Drudge sold this page to a far left woke liberal

NEWORLEANS

They didn't. They aren't connected at all.

I want to thank all of you for the laughs you have given us.

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-08-04 02:24 AM | Reply

@#59 ... They didn't. ...

I agree.

Drudge sold nothing.

To my eyes, the comment in #55 is little more than an admission that that current alias was not able to counter the comments that responded to it.

I guess I should say something like "better luck next time" to that current alias?


#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-04 03:13 AM | Reply

Fun tune...

Art of Noise, feat. Duane Eddy - Peter Gunn (1986)
www.youtube.com

OK, I admit, I'm immersed in 80's playlists here this evening whilst I try to figure out why the RADIUS server ( en.wikipedia.org ) is doing what it is doing.


#61 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-04 03:19 AM | Reply

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