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Where Tim Walz Stands on Abortion Rights, IVF
In tapping Gov. Tim Walz as her running mate, Kamala Harris added to the ticket a staunch supporter of reproductive rights who has expanded access to abortion in Minnesota -- and who has a personal story with in vitro fertilization.
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... Why it matters: Democrats plan to make reproductive rights a top issue again this year after their 2022 successes up and down the ballot. The big picture: Walz signed into Minnesota law a bill that codifies the right to abortion and other forms of reproductive healthcare the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court's 2022 decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. - - - The governor also enacted a shield law to protect providers and patients from legal action initiated in states with abortion bans. What they're saying: Harris praised those actions at a Tuesday rally as she introduced her running mate, saying he "was the first governor in the country to sign a new law that enshrined reproductive freedom as a fundamental right," after the Dobbs decision. ...
The big picture: Walz signed into Minnesota law a bill that codifies the right to abortion and other forms of reproductive healthcare the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court's 2022 decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.
- - - The governor also enacted a shield law to protect providers and patients from legal action initiated in states with abortion bans.
What they're saying: Harris praised those actions at a Tuesday rally as she introduced her running mate, saying he "was the first governor in the country to sign a new law that enshrined reproductive freedom as a fundamental right," after the Dobbs decision. ...
#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 12:39 PM | Reply
What's with the idiotic "yes but" nonsense at the end?
"The most extreme abortion [rights] laws in the country" is not a criticism, it's a goal for other states to meet or exceed.
There's NO negative there.
#2 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-08-07 05:18 PM | Reply
Mind your own damn business': Harris, Walz make debut at rowdy rally rollcall.com
... "Minnesota's strength comes from our values " our commitment to working together, to seeing past our differences, to lending a helping hand," Walz said. "Donald Trump, he sees the world differently. He doesn't know the first thing about service, because he's too busy serving himself." He said violent crime rose under Trump's term, quipping: "And that's not even counting the crimes he committed." Walz also harkened back to a time when "Republicans talked about freedom," but now they want the government inside doctors offices. Democrats, he said, have a counter-message: "Mind your own damn business." ...
He said violent crime rose under Trump's term, quipping: "And that's not even counting the crimes he committed." Walz also harkened back to a time when "Republicans talked about freedom," but now they want the government inside doctors offices. Democrats, he said, have a counter-message: "Mind your own damn business." ...
#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 06:35 PM | Reply
Abortion is nobody's business other than the pregnant woman.
End of story.
You want a kid, have your own.
#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-07 06:39 PM | Reply
I have heterosexual friends - married couples - who needed IVF in order to have children.
I'm not sure what the objection is to IVF.
Maybe because homosexuals can also use the procedure to have children?
#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-07 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Well, this is interesting...
Abortions have increased since Roe was overturned, mostly from telehealth thehill.com
... There were more abortions in the U.S. during the first three months of this year than the same period in 2023, according to a new report, continuing a trend of increasing abortions ever since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and allowed dozens of states to enact bans and restrictions. The national monthly number of in-person abortions from January to March 2024 was about the same as in that period in 2023, meaning the increase was mostly driven by telehealth abortions, according to the report from the #WeCount project of the Society of Family Planning. The report comes ahead of the November elections, where Democrats across the country are campaigning on abortion rights, and some voters in red and blue states alike will have the opportunity to enshrine state-level abortion protections. ...
The national monthly number of in-person abortions from January to March 2024 was about the same as in that period in 2023, meaning the increase was mostly driven by telehealth abortions, according to the report from the #WeCount project of the Society of Family Planning.
The report comes ahead of the November elections, where Democrats across the country are campaigning on abortion rights, and some voters in red and blue states alike will have the opportunity to enshrine state-level abortion protections. ...
#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 07:24 PM | Reply
Abortion up to time of birth without any restrictions is extreme. Walz is a fine one to talk about minding one's business. His state had the most authoritarian covid restrictions in country including a rat out you neighbor tip line.
#7 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 10:40 PM | Reply
93 percent of abortions in this country happen in 13 weeks or less when women and their doctors make responsible, timely health decisions.
When Republican Big Government makes arbitrary authoritarian decisions for women... well, the best they could come up with Federally was 15 weeks... which is more than the current rat of 13 weeks.
So, like guns and several other 'issues', abortion is just another Fake Issue from rwingers who don't even know that the Corporations own Trump and his Cult.
#8 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-07 10:47 PM | Reply
rate of
#9 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-07 10:47 PM | Reply
@#7 ... Abortion up to time of birth without any restrictions is extreme. ...
That looks like a deliberately proactive comment, one with no substantiation.
So... what else yer got?
Any justification?
#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 10:55 PM | Reply
How many IVF attempts do you have a "right" to? Does this right have any limit to the number of attempts or age restrictions? Women need to be told to have kids when they're young and fecund.
#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 10:58 PM | Reply
@#10
proactive
--- should be ---
provocative
Apologies for the spell-check I missed.
#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 10:59 PM | Reply
there is no ban or limit on abortion in Minnesota based on how far along in pregnancy you are.
Parental involvement is not required in Minnesota. If you're younger than 18, you can consent to an abortion and do not have to notify a parent to get an abortion in Minnesota.
#13 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 11:03 PM | Reply
Impressions - People Get Ready (1965) www.youtube.com
Lyrics excerpt...
genius.com
... People get ready, there's a train a-comin' You don't need no baggage, you just get on board All you need is faith to hear the diesels hummin' Don't need no ticket, you just thank the Lord [Verse 2] So, people get ready for the train to Jordan Picking up passengers coast to coast Faith is the key, open the doors and board 'em There's hope for all among those loved the most [Verse 3] There ain't no room for the hopeless sinner Who would hurt all mankind just to save his own, believe me now Have pity on those whose chances grow thinner For there's no hiding place against the kingdom's throne ...
[Verse 2] So, people get ready for the train to Jordan Picking up passengers coast to coast Faith is the key, open the doors and board 'em There's hope for all among those loved the most
[Verse 3] There ain't no room for the hopeless sinner Who would hurt all mankind just to save his own, believe me now Have pity on those whose chances grow thinner For there's no hiding place against the kingdom's throne ...
#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:03 PM | Reply
@#14 ... There ain't no room for the hopeless sinner Who would hurt all mankind just to save his own ...
Way back in 1965, they seemed to know of fmr Pres Trump.
#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:04 PM | Reply
There is no ban or limit on abortion in Minnesota based on how far along in pregnancy you are.
Reposting to get past Lamplighters wall of text he posted to deflect from his ignorance.
#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 11:10 PM | Reply
@#7 ... Walz is a fine one to talk about minding one's business. His state had the most authoritarian covid restrictions in country including a rat out you neighbor tip line.. ...
And your point is?
Or is your current alias just throwing out the random stuff the Trump campaign (or FoxNews) proffers?
Take a step back and look at the strategy (OK, stop laughing) of the Trump campaign against the Harris/Walz ticket.
So, what else yer got?
#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:12 PM | Reply
Even after the third trimester? You're a murderer.
Thats the abortion at any time, law Tim Walz signed, and 91% of America disagree with. apnews.com
#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:14 PM | Reply
He's a hypocrite. You'd vote for some one you can't trust?
#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:15 PM | Reply
Where's the lie though. See you can't refuse data because of the source.
He had a snitch hot line. He's a NAZI is it any wonder with a German name like WALZ?
#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:17 PM | Reply
Even after the third trimester?
"Abortion is nobody's business other than the pregnant woman."
#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-07 11:19 PM | Reply
Harris has said she wants to replicate Minnesota's abortion law nationally.
A reminder, there is no ban or limit on abortion in Minnesota based on how far along in pregnancy you are.
Very extreme.
#22 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 11:19 PM | Reply
"Abortion is nobody's business other than the pregnant woman." #21 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
You love baby killing, don't say you don't. It gives you a chubby.
#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:20 PM | Reply
He's a hypocrite.
You're wrong.
Nothing surprising about that.
#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-07 11:20 PM | Reply
Gives Clownshack a chubby, while RiteIsTite pokes him in the -----.
#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:21 PM | Reply
You're wrong. Nothing surprising about that.
#24 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
You know how I know I am right ... you got nothin.
#26 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:22 PM | Reply
@#22 ... Very extreme. ...
And what is your opinion of a President wanting to kill his Vice President?
#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:22 PM | Reply
WALZ is a German name.
WALZ is related to Hitler.
#28 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:22 PM | Reply
Why should there be a limit?
There's no limit to unforeseen complications during pregnancy.
#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-07 11:23 PM | Reply
Biden was misinformed.
#30 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:23 PM | Reply
Because in the third trimester the fetus can feel pain, more than the pain of a trans gender child.
#31 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:24 PM | Reply
Or is your current alias just throwing out the random stuff the Harris campaign (or MSNBC/DNC) proffers?
#32 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 11:24 PM | Reply
There's no limit to unforeseen complications during pregnancy. #29 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
The logic of a murderer.
#33 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:25 PM | Reply
#32 is for #27.
#34 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 11:27 PM | Reply
POSTED BY 1LUMPYSHHT
You got nothing but desperate attempts to troll.
Pregnancies are more complicated than catch phrases and political promises.
You idiots with your absolutions are shortsighted morons.
Interfering in the lives of other people for your own fascist ideology.
#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-07 11:27 PM | Reply
#34 | POSTED BY VISITOR_
I know, Gaslighter and ClownBussy are idiots. Don't confuse those "liberals" with this Liberal.
#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-07 11:28 PM | Reply
@#20 ... Where's the lie though. See you can't refuse data because of the source. ...
Did I say there was a lie?
All I did in my #17 was ask for the point of your current alias' comment.
... And your point is? Or is your current alias just throwing out the random stuff the Trump campaign (or FoxNews) proffers? Take a step back and look at the strategy (OK, stop laughing) of the Trump campaign against the Harris/Walz ticket. So, what else yer got? ...
So, what else yer got? ...
And now your current sees to fabricate some imagined issue.
What else does it got?
#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:30 PM | Reply
We know when lamplighter "got nothin'" when he posts lyrics and other random crap.
#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 11:33 PM | Reply
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@#38 ... We know when lamplighter "got nothin'" when he posts lyrics and other random crap. ...
That's all yer got?
Lame.
#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:40 PM | Reply
@#32 ... And your point is?
Or is your current alias just throwing out the random stuff the Harris campaign (or MSNBC/DNC) proffers? ...
In my #27 I asked
... And what is your opinion of a President wanting to kill his Vice President? ...
And in #38, your current alias' reply is...
... We know when lamplighter "got nothin'" when he posts lyrics and other random crap. ...
So, your current alias seems to have nothing?
#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:44 PM | Reply
Not just lyrics, but links to the tunes of those lyrics.
imo, those tunes are significant, albeit a wide-open attack surface for the MAGA cult.
I accept that.
I will continue to pot links to tunes and their lyrics.
#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:47 PM | Reply
@#36 ... I know, Gaslighter and ClownBussy are idiots ...
Thank you for acknowledging me in such a manner.
It speaks a lot that your current alias takes the time to call out, and misname, me.
Thank-you for that.
#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-07 11:49 PM | Reply
#42
It's a sign that he likes you :)
#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-07 11:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#38 | Posted by visitor_
Be a big boy and learn that you only speak for yourself.
Swallow it.
#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-07 11:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
Asked and answered, if you don't understand just post some song lyrics or similar deflection.
#45 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-07 11:57 PM | Reply
Rstybeach11 is here. Must be shift change in the men's room at the Flying J truckstop.
#46 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 12:01 AM | Reply
@#44 ... Be a big boy and learn that you only speak for yourself.
Swallow it. ...
Or as the VP of the Democratic party said...
~he was saying what women do to their bodies is none of your damn business ...~
Maybe start with the national support of the political views on abortion your current alias espouses.
Yeah let's go from there.
Yer up.
#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 12:03 AM | Reply
@#46 ... Must be shift change in the men's room at the Flying J truckstop. ...
So...
your current alias has nothing besides an apparent projection of what may be behind it?
imo, way too obvious.
Do try to be more subtle.
#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 12:05 AM | Reply
Oh. So you do know the relevance of:
Walz is a fine one to talk about minding one's business. His state had the most authoritarian covid restrictions in country including a rat out you neighbor tip line.
#49 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 12:07 AM | Reply
I was responding to an excrable post from an execrable poster. Your defense is also excrable. Swallow it.
#50 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 12:14 AM | Reply
Go ---- yourself, you prancing pansy.
#51 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-08 12:29 AM | Reply
#46 | Posted by visitor_
More homoerotic fantasies from the right. No wonder folks like VISITOR are so interested in people's --------. It's almost as though they have zero ability to NOT think about them.
So curious.
Bottom line, you speak for yourself and nobody else.
Swallow it until it settles.
#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-08 12:29 AM | Reply
@#50 ... I was responding to an excrable post from an execrable poster. Your defense is also excrable. Swallow it. ...
So, your current alias appeared to have an objction to what was posted.
What else it got?
Besides commented on some weird imagined shift change thing.
#53 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 12:31 AM | Reply
His state had the most authoritarian covid restrictions in country including a rat out you neighbor tip line.
Pro tip... vote for someone else.
#54 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-08-08 12:32 AM | Reply
@#22 ... Harris has said she wants to replicate Minnesota's abortion law nationally. ...
Got a link for that assertion?
#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 12:41 AM | Reply
One source is the article you linked.
#56 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 12:54 AM | Reply
@#56 ... One source is the article you linked. ...
... and your current alias thinks that article stated?
What?
#57 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 01:04 AM | Reply
Your ignorance is tiresome. You're like a slightly less annoying but far dimmer version of snoofy. Do a search on the article you posted for:
She pledged to enact a similar federal law if Democrats win the White House and control of Congress.
#58 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 01:15 AM | Reply
@#58 ... Your ignorance is tiresome. ...
Well, thank-you for recognizing that. Ignorance is a goal I strive for.
But now, that aside, let's get back to the topic at hand.
Your current alias stated #22 ... Harris has said she wants to replicate Minnesota's abortion law nationally. ...
And I asked #55 ... Got a link for that assertion? ...
In return I receive an ad hominem attack.
That's the best yer got?
I mean, really.
Do try harder.
#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 01:33 AM | Reply
Some comments on ignorance...
The person who cannot accept his ignorance cannot learn. - Thomas Szasz
Ignorance is bold, and knowledge reserved. - Thucydides
Yeah, I readily admit my ignorance.
Why? Because I want to learn.
#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 01:38 AM | Reply
I literally pasted the text from the article you linked.
#61 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 01:39 AM | Reply
@#61 ... I literally pasted the text from the article you linked. ...
The evasiveness of your current alias is curious.
OK, I'll go along.
In which comment of your current alias did it "literally pasted the text from the article you linked."
thx.
#62 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 01:49 AM | Reply
#60 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER
Any quotes focusing on willful ignorance?
#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-08-08 02:06 AM | Reply
@#63 ... willful ignorance? ...
Yeah, that may be a concern. Indeed, i have noted that characteristic in the past.
But before I go to that spot, I'll wait for the reply I asked for in #62.
#64 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-08 02:09 AM | Reply
Well there are two things....
One the church views IVF babies as "illicit" which has caused me to cut from the church. www.npr.org
Two in IVF drugs are used to force a number of eggs to be produced so that the procedure can fertilize and handful. Three or less are implanted and the rest are frozen. If the parents want more children they can unfreeze the zygotes and implant them. If not, they are discarded. In cases where the IVF fails and the zygote dies a D&C procedure (abortion) is used to scrape the dead tissue out to prevent sepsis. All the things the fundies feak out over.
---- them.
#65 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-08 07:52 AM | Reply
The fundies seek to cram their religious views on EVERYONE.
Let's be clear...your religion CONFINES what you can do. It does not CONFINE anyone else.
#66 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-08 07:57 AM | Reply
Exactly.
#67 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-08-08 07:58 AM | Reply
The overwhelming majority of Americans view abortion up to the time of birth without restrictions as extreme. This is in the law Walz passed. According to Axios, Kamala pledged to enact a similar federal law if Democrats win the White House and control of Congress.
Democrats always frame it as 'abortion rights', but they never tell you they want third trimester abortions with no restrictions, essentially infanticide.
As far as IVF. Women need understand the limits of female biology and have kids when they're young and fecund. Making IVF a right puts a burden on the rest of us to pay for it. What are the limits or age restrictions for this "right"? Women's health already vastly exceeds health spending on men. We've already given up cancer screening for men to save money.
#68 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 08:25 AM | Reply
There is a simple reason for this that has been explained over and over, yet anti-abortion folks refuse to accept reality for what it is. Fetal issues/abnormalities can lead doctors to perform late term procedures in order to protect a mother's future ability to carry other children or to protect said mother from potential harm up to and including their death should a non-viable fetus need to be removed before the natural birth process begins, yet physicians are restrained by laws criminalizing needed healthcare services and procedures.
Late term abortions are extremely rare, and done only in cases where either the fetus isn't viable or if birthed, will die an excruciating death ex vitro, or the mother's own health and life is endangered by a birthing attempt. No one takes this lightly as many try to imply. The issue here is compassion for both the mother's and fetus' best interests in harrowing circumstances.
Late term abortions are not for unwanted children. Almost universally, the fetuses being aborted late term are wanted by the mothers and families, but are not going to live after birth - due to defects or non viability issues. To criminalize the needed care of these women serves no one's interests; neither society's, the family's, and certainly not the fetus' itself if faced by an already determined painful death if birthed to natural completion.
#69 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-08 08:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
If it's rare and always medically indicated, why do Democrats, Walz and Kamala included fight against any restriction on abortion based on term? Weird.
#70 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 08:51 AM | Reply
#70 | Posted by visitor_
Are you denying that there are cases where a fetus can become nonviable after the first trimester?
#71 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-08 09:27 AM | Reply
The overwhelming majority of Americans view abortion up to the time of birth without restrictions as extreme.
The overwhelming majority of non-idiot Americans view this characterization as laughable hyperbole offered by people who need the emotional response to make their opinions sound like they're worth a s&^%.
#72 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-08 09:28 AM | Reply
Are you denying that there are cases where a fetus can become nonviable after the first trimester? No.
Are you denying that the law as written there are no restrictions of any kind on the late term abortions even up to the point of normal gestation?
#73 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 09:46 AM | Reply
It's nice we're debating the finer points of Walz's abortion position but it's irrelevant.
People who care about abortion rights have made up their minds about Walz regardless of which side they're on.
#74 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-08 09:55 AM | Reply
Some honesty would be nice. Labeling any restriction on third trimester abortions as anti abortion for instance.
#75 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 10:48 AM | Reply
93 percent of abortions are still within 13 weeks at most... but lame brained Trumpers still nibble around the edges, just as their Cult demands.
They are the Tools that the elite who keep people divided use each and every day.
#76 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-08 11:09 AM | Reply
-Labeling any restriction on third trimester abortions as anti abortion for instance.
People who do that want the issue as well as the right. In their eyes, there is almost no point in being pro-choice if you can't lash out anyone who dares to suggest restrictions in the 3rd trimester.
#77 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-08 11:49 AM | Reply
#73 | POSTED BY VISITOR_
The law is written so that idiots like you cannot interfere with the medical decisions of women who need regular or emergency reproductive care because of your Bronze Age ideological or religious beliefs. It keeps the decision between the doctor and the patient.
"The law stipulates that local governments " cities, counties, towns, etc. " cannot regulate a person's choice to obtain an abortion or other reproductive services.
A few months later, Walz signed a second abortion-rights law " that statute prohibits the arrest of abortion providers in Minnesota and protects people who travel there to avoid other another state's abortion ban. According to the law, Minnesota officials do not have to turn over a patient's health records in response to another state's subpoena or court order. "
The decision was sent back to the states like you wanted. So why do you care what other states do now anyway? Don't go to Minnesota if you don't like it. Are women's reproductive health care any of your business? Not likely.
So ... MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!
Anyway thank you for reminding Americans in neighboring red handmaiden states that they can safely get an abortion in Minnesota if they and their doctors decide they need one.
#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-08 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
#73 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ A
are you denying that a woman or child's medical decisions are none of your ------- business?
#79 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-08-08 12:18 PM | Reply
No, it's absolutely logical and I explained why in detail in my response. Even the most well written "restriction" on late term abortions would likely infringe upon the medical need for one based on mother's health or non-viability issues.
There simply aren't scores of doctors aborting viable fetuses in the 3rd trimester. It isn't something there needs to be a law against, it's simply a scare tactic made up by anti-abortion forces to impart their birth morality upon everyone else, but particularly mothers and families dealing with a nightmare scenario no one should wish upon anyone else.
#80 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-08-08 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
In their eyes, there is almost no point in being pro-choice if you can't lash out anyone who dares to suggest restrictions in the 3rd trimester.
#77 | POSTED BY EBERLY
This shows the stupidity of this "debate."
Don't honestly think there are women deciding in the third trimester that "nahhhh, on second thought I don't want this kid! Off to the clinic I go!"
It's a solution without a problem and will have the effect of making legit late term procedures harder to get and harder to go through.
All because vile, miserable righties can't mind their own f%#^ing business.
#81 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-08 02:01 PM | Reply
Don't honestly think that once these (imaginary) women get to the clinic, the doctor there says, "You waited until a week before your due date to come in here to get an abortion? No problem. Let's do this."
#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08 02:06 PM | Reply
People like visitor know this. Their intent is to put up as many roadblocks as possible.
#83 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-08 02:11 PM | Reply
-Don't honestly think there are women deciding in the third trimester that "nahhhh, on second thought I don't want this kid! Off to the clinic I go!"
But that's been sold to pro-lifers. They think late term abortions are way more common than they really are and the reasons are just like you cited. IT's a convenience abortion.
Abortions are referred to as the "abortion industry" implying there are doctors who want to perform late term abortions for women when there aren't drastic situations present so these women need to be protected from these butchers who WANT to perform abortions at 8-9 months just because the woman has changed her mind about having a child.
The numbers and data haven't reflected that but it's believed regardless.
#84 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-08 02:22 PM | Reply
^ So what exactly do you do to dispel those "beliefs"?
Do you take to your keyboard to enlighten them, or just lecture those who try to dispel those beliefs?
#85 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2024-08-08 02:30 PM | Reply
I know that's believed.
It's one of many exhibits supporting the conclusion that your average voter is pretty dumb.
I mean, they lack the ability to do even a basic smell test and nothing in their empty little brains goes "there's no way that's real/true/occurring!"
#86 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-08 02:33 PM | Reply
85
That's being done now and for a long time now by people who know the truth. Not sure that crusade needs another soldier.
Recognize they're dumb all the time...not just on 1 issue.
Remember a couple years ago that schools were setting up litter boxes in classrooms because of all the kids that insisted they were really cats and were to be accommodated with litter boxes?
people swallowed that crap whole. And they'll swallow the next lie like that.
and the next......
#87 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-08 02:42 PM | Reply
Trump is now making the claim that Walz is for abortion in the 9th month, etc. Won't be a big factor in the election according to Trump. "That issue s very much subdued."
#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08 02:44 PM | Reply
Infanticide is legal in Minnesota and Kamala wants to make it legal in the rest of the US. Prove me wrong.
#89 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
I support abortion, because I believe women who get them need to.
#90 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-08 02:56 PM | Reply
Prove me wrong. #89 | POSTED BY VISITOR_
Do you ever post anything worth reading?
Or is screaming for attention the best you can offer?
#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-08 02:59 PM | Reply
-Trump is now making the claim that Walz is for abortion in the 9th month, etc
what bothers you about that statement? the word "for" perhaps?
where do you get to separate yourself from being "for" something when you do want to keep it legal? As a politician of course.....
#92 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-08 03:02 PM | Reply
For is my word for what I'm paraphrasing what Trump is saying.
#93 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08 03:04 PM | Reply
Walz is certainly not against abortion in the 9th month. The bill he signed allows it, with absolutely no restrictions. Kamala approves of it to the point she pledged to make it law in the rest of the US. If he didn't approve of 9th month abortions, why didn't he require medical conditions in the bill before signing?
#94 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 03:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
Keep asking disingenuous questions, s^%#bag.
#95 | Posted by jpw at 2024-08-08 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
I'm guessing because once you put in life of the mother clauses you run into situations that are currently happening in other states where doctors start trying to figure out just how close to death a woman has to be before you can act to save her life without fear of being prosecuted and/or losing your license.
#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08 03:22 PM | Reply
They are trying to avoid the kinds of situations happening in other states where women are told to go home and come back when they are sicker before doctors can do anything to help them. If you don't think that is happening, you should do some research.
#97 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08 03:25 PM | Reply
where doctors start trying to figure out just how close to death a woman has to be before you can act to save her life without fear of being prosecuted and/or losing your license.
The Republican Party are a bunch of ghouls.
#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-08-08 03:27 PM | Reply
Video at link:
Q: Would you direct your FDA to revoke access to the abortion medication Mifepristone?
Trump: You could do things... absolutely. Those things are pretty open
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#99 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08 03:28 PM | Reply
Woman: Hi doctor, I know we planned to induce labor today since I'm two weeks past my due date but the results of the baby's DNA test came in. The baby's daddy isn't who I thought it was and baby's daddy has a 250 credit score. I need you to abort this one so I can try again with baby daddy 830 credit score.
Doctor: No problem, I could lose my license if I don't provide you with abortion on demand with no restrictions on term. Let's yank this thing so I can get out of here to play golf.
#100 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 03:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
Like VisiTool.
#101 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-08 03:40 PM | Reply
"I could lose my license if I don't provide you with abortion on demand with no restrictions on term."
You think that the MN law says doctors must provide abortions on demand? Link?
#102 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-08-08 03:42 PM | Reply
What's the use of a right if the government can't force someone to provide it.
#103 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 03:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
#100 | POSTED BY VISITOR_
Lies and the lying liars who tell them ... and you are one of the lying liars who tell them.
Your lies are becoming more and more transparent and desperate. (Not to mention despicable).
You can almost smell the desperation right through the internet.
#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-08 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#103 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2024-08-08 03:54 PM | FLAG:
You also have the right to speak. But the government cannot force you to do so and it's obvious that you personally should really reconsider your options.
#105 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-08 04:02 PM | Reply
Like the lie that Walz signed a bill to allow abortions with no term restriction and Kamala pledged to pass a similar law nation wide?
Oh wait,that's completely true.
#106 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 04:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
"Like the lie that ... "
Like the lie I quoted.
"Kamala pledged to pass a similar law nation wide?"
Also Kamala cannot "pass" a law. Congress has to pass it. She can only sign it or veto it.
That's U.S. government 101, comrade.
#107 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-08 04:08 PM | Reply
She can sign a bill into law and she pledged to do so.
#108 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-08-08 04:11 PM | Reply
And that's what Walz did; signed into Law legislation passed by the Minnesota legislature.
Why to Visitools Hate Democracy?
#109 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-08 04:15 PM | Reply
apnews.com
#110 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-08 04:17 PM | Reply
do
#111 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-08 04:17 PM | Reply
#108 | POSTED BY VISITOR_
Good for her. It's the right thing to do. Just because you have the right to an abortion doesn't mean you have to get one if you personally don't believe in them. Have you considered minding your own damn business yet? Or maybe you can explain why you think this YOUR business.
Just like you have the right to speak but should probably reconsider using it as it makes you look like a fool. Or a Russian bot.
Anyway Congress will have to pass that law first.
Now go have your handlers figure the odds of that actually happening and get back to us.
#112 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-08 04:21 PM | Reply
Even after the third trimester? You're a murderer. Thats the abortion at any time, law Tim Walz signed, and 91% of America disagree with. apnews.com
#18 | Posted by oneironaut
I think that 100% of Americans are against abortion after the third trimester because as you say that is murder as by definition the baby has been born after the third trimester.
Only 1& of abortions occur after 21 weeks and they are all due to either fetal or maternal health concern. Non-essential late term abortion is just a scare tactic. No one waits until late pregnancy to suddenly just decide to have a non-essential termination of pregnancy.
#113 | Posted by MBlue at 2024-08-08 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"Even after the third trimester? You're a murderer."
Just because you take a life it doesn't mean you are a murderer. You knew that right ?
It all depends on the circumstances doesn't it?
So maybe you can describe an actual documented abortion in the third trimester that could be classified as murder. Not the one you are fantasizing about please.
#114 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-08 04:41 PM | Reply
Visitor runs away...
www.youtube.com
#115 | Posted by Corky at 2024-08-08 04:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1
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