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Saturday, September 28, 2024

Crews in Tennessee worked Friday to rescue more than 50 people who were trapped on the roof of a hospital following catastrophic flooding caused by Hurricane Helene.

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That whole climate change crap is a hoax, right?

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-28 05:36 PM | Reply

50+ storm-related deaths, 3.5M without power in Helene aftermath
www.upi.com

Helene Update: North Carolina Faces 'Most Significant' Natural Disaster
www.newsweek.com

Dramatic pictures from southern US show scale of Hurricane Helene devastation
www.bbc.com


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-28 06:57 PM | Reply

Is Bunker Bitch going to toss paper towels to the peons again?

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-28 07:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And I'll note again.

Hurricane Helene went from a Cat 1 storm to a Cat 4 storm in a day.

If this type of intensification continues (Hurricane Beryl experienced similar intensification), the National Weather Service may need to come up with a new term beyond the current "rapid intensification" that it current uses.

How rapid intensification spawned two monster hurricanes in one week
www.sciencenews.org

... One of the widest hurricanes on record slammed into Florida's Gulf Coast on September 26 as a powerful Category 4 storm, inundating Florida's coast with meters-high storm surge and sending tropical storm"force winds as far as 500 kilometers from its eye.

Helene -- like so many hurricanes in recent years -- seemed to spin up out of nowhere.

Just three days earlier, it was a disorganized cluster of thunderstorms off the eastern coast of Mexico's Yucatn Peninsula. A mere "tropical disturbance," it was dubbed PTC9 for tracking purposes. But on September 24, the U.S. National Hurricane Center released a startling forecast for PTC9.

Within just 60 hours, NHC predicted PTC9 would intensify at a record-breaking pace, going from winds less than 35 knots (about 65 kilometers per hour) to hurricane-force winds of at least 100 knots (185 kilometers per hour).

It was the fastest predicted spin-up from disturbance to major hurricane in the NHC's history. ...

Rapid intensification is becoming a new normal for hurricanes.

NHC defines rapid intensification as when a storm's maximum sustained winds jump by at least 56 kph (35 miles per hour) in less than a day (SN: 9/13/23).

Against a backdrop of ongoing, record-breaking tropical water temperatures, numerous storms in the last few years have met and even surpassed this definition (SN: 6/15/23). In 2023, for example, Atlantic hurricanes Idalia and Lee ratcheted up their intensity by about 58 kph within 24 hours.

Helene isn't just a textbook case of such rapid intensification -- it's the star student.

Scientists have been gritting their teeth, anticipating just such an event, given 2024's superhot waters. ...

[emphasis mine]



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-28 07:28 PM | Reply

That whole climate change crap is a hoax, right?
#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

I don't remember who said what, but I do remember a number of Drudge posters a few weeks ago saying, Hey, I thought this was going to be a really bad hurricane season because of climate change? Ha-ha-ha. Guess you all were wrong.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-28 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

East Tennessee and much of the affected areas in North Carolina are redder than Dorothy's slippers.

Betcha those GOP voters won't give two thoughts about "the government" they hate helping them when it comes to their rescue with FEMA and other disaster aid and rebuilds state and federal highways.

Someone ought to let them know Project 2025 seeks to slash FEMA's funding and eliminate NOAA, whose job, among others, is forecasting hurricanes. And that the Gulf of Mexico's record warm temperatures are why Helene went from a tropical storm to a Cat 4 in a day ...

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-28 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

GRACIE

We're so generous here in Nashville that we agreed to hold the Jag's hand down in the cellar of the AFC South.

#7 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-28 09:39 PM | Reply

MAGAts claim HAARP is being used to aim hurricanes at Florida repugs.

x.com

#8 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-28 10:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#8

Well, my first thought is along the lines of....

If "they" are using HAARP to direct hurricanes against the Republican area of Florida, they are doing a really bad job of it. Helene made landfall in a sparsely populated area of Florida. If "they" were directing Helene, I'd say their aim is off.

OK, that aside.

People actually believe that phlegm? It seems to rely solely upon what an ignorance HAARP does and what it can do.

Maybe that is why Gov DeSantis wants to dumb down the education in his state? To enable more people to blindly accept ignorant theories?




#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-28 11:04 PM | Reply

MAGAts claim HAARP is being used to aim hurricanes

Sharpie not good enough any more?

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-28 11:09 PM | Reply

MAGATS are slobbering idiots.

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-29 04:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7 Grateful and thankful to you and TN for that kind gesture. The guys have used all of the 2024 potty words in the first three games. :-)

#12 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-09-29 10:16 AM | Reply

Re# 8

Back when America was Great we would say that the biblical destruction they are experiencing right now was the Wrath of God.

Do you think that maybe the Ruler of the Universe is a bit upset at their deplorable behaviors?

Back when America was Great we would definitely say so.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-29 11:19 AM | Reply

Hey, I thought this was going to be a really bad hurricane season because of climate change?

Morning update... currently one hurricane, one tropical storm, and 3 new "disturbances" in the Atlantic Basin.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-29 12:21 PM | Reply

StormHQ
@StormHQwx
#BREAKING: Hurricane #Helene death total now up to 103+

North Carolina: 38 (1,000+ missing)
- 30+ in Buncombe County alone

South Carolina: 26

Georgia: 21

Florida: 12

Tennessee: 2+ (78+ missing)

Virginia: 2

x.com

Climate change is a hoax.

~The-------------~

#15 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-29 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

More than 700 Soldiers from the Tennessee Army National Guard's 278th Armored Cavalry Regiment are departing Saturday, September 28, on the first leg of a year-long deployment to the Middle East.

Sorry Tennessee, your NG rather help Israel than you.

#16 | Posted by commnotes at 2024-09-29 06:48 PM | Reply

Climate change means more oceanfront property.

~ Donnie Demento ~

www.newsweek.com

#17 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-29 07:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

82 Repugs Voted to Shut Down the Government During Hurricane Season

meidasnews.com

#18 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-29 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Scientists have been gritting their teeth, anticipating just such an event, given 2024's superhot waters. ...

What are you talking about? Asheville NC was flooded by a hurricane just as bad, on July 16, 1916 by the remnants of the Charleston Hurricane.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-29 09:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2


Sorry Tennessee, your NG rather help Israel than you.
#16 | POSTED BY COMMNOTES

Really couldn't believe this when I read it, not a the TN NG, but ... it's the impression it makes.

Harris Biden don't care about the little people.

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-29 09:33 PM | Reply

Asheville NC was flooded by a hurricane just as bad, on July 16, 1916

Got some comparative metrics?

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-29 10:03 PM | Reply

Climate is always changing and becoming more or less severe. Why do Dem politicians try to use it against us and claim otherwise and claimimg this is all new?

What we should be doing is preserving resources and ending trillion dollar wars where we reward other countries such as Middle East to wage wars and destroy themselves.

End wars and negotiate and require others to pay for their own destruction. Not another dime to rebuild and make schemers rich. We need that for our own people.

#22 | Posted by Robson at 2024-09-30 07:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

MAGAts post 100% pure BS because they believe that everyone is as stupid and gullible as they are.

#23 | Posted by Hans at 2024-09-30 07:55 AM | Reply

www.tn.gov

There is way too much of this bull goes on where average Americans pay and lose. We dont need the Middle East oil like we did in 60s and 70s. We need to rebuild America and secure ourselves not Kuwait etc. Kamala and Joe wasting America again. Let them and other countries be responsible for their actions. Outrageous!

#24 | Posted by Robson at 2024-09-30 08:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump to Hurricane Helene victims: "You'll be okay."

www.washingtonpost.com

The orange turd strikes again.

#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-30 08:27 AM | Reply

Trump Killed Flood Safety Standards, Hampering Recovery

www.nrdc.org

#26 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-30 08:30 AM | Reply

We dont need the Middle East oil like we did in 60s and 70s .... Kamala and Joe wasting America again.

Where are you living Robson? It certainly isn't in America today, or you'd already know this.

U.S. Oil Production Extends Massive Lead Over Russia And Saudi Arabia

Global oil production reached a record high of over 96 million BPD in 2023. The United States retained its position as the top producer, with an output increase exceeding 8.5%. This was a new record for U.S. oil production, smashing the previous record set in 2022.

Who was the President and Vice President in 2022 and 2023 Robson?

Joe and Kamala are overseeing the greatest production of oil in the history of the world, yet you don't know this?

Why not step away from your keyboard and your own gaslighting sources and open your eyes and see the world as it actually exists.

Ignorance is not a virtue, it's a choice. Why do you choose to remain oblivious to reality, while spewing the ignorance you find in your own bubble of delusional fantasy?

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-30 08:33 AM | Reply

-Joe and Kamala are overseeing the greatest production of oil in the history of the world,

kind of ironic.....

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-30 08:45 AM | Reply

kind of ironic.....

No it isn't. By and large Democrats not elected by progressive electorates are almost all pragmatists. Make no doubt about it, both Joe and Kamala would like to see the US move from fossil fuels to renewable energy sources, but neither one wants to see US consumers and industries immediately harmed during any such transition.

The best way to keep domestic oil prices lower is to increase its supply and lessen Saudi Arabia's and OPEC's ability to set global prices through manipulation of its supply.

Domestic oil production is analogous to Biden's stewardship of the post-pandemic economy - being able to bring down inflation, increase employment and wages while simultaneously keeping the economy from sliding into a recession. Heretofore, no one of seriousness thought such a delicate balance could be kept, yet here we are today, with all economic indicators still pointing the right direction and the Dow Jones continues to set new highs week after week.

Yet according to polls, Trump is thought to be better for the economy than Biden/Harris. There simply is no rational evidence for such a conclusion when all evidence and reality objectively points in the opposite direction.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-30 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"but neither one wants to see US consumers and industries immediately harmed during any such transition."

That requires more political will than they have the stomach for.

which is why you excuse it away with being "pragmatic".

You're right...it is being pragmatic.

But while the other party is in power, it immediately reverses to being deliberate, intentional, and bought & paid for.

But for the moment....you're actually going to cheer record oil production.

BTW, THAT is what I meant by ironic. Not the situation....but you're cheerleading of it.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-30 09:34 AM | Reply

Not the situation....but you're cheerleading of it.

Show me where in my 20 years here that I've ever supported OPEC and its ability to affect global oil prices by manipulating supply.

I'll save you the time, I never have. I detest OPEC from the 1970s and my opinion has never wavered. Anything that lessens their power and influence is a good thing in my book. I'm also an American worker and consumer who drives a gas-powered car. While I understand our need to move from fossil fuels, I've never been an advocate for intentionally harming Americans in the course of doing so.

And lastly, the only time I mention domestic oil production is to counter the lying narrative that Biden and Harris have stymied current production when nothing is further from the truth. The industry is still growing, but even within it, if global prices drop too low, then domestic production will cease because it isn't profitable which will put more influence into the hands of foreign producers yet again.

That's the difference between Trump and Biden/Harris. If Trump had been president over these last 4 years, Robson nor any conservative wouldn't know of the US' supremacy in producing and exporting oil. Short term, this is great. Long term, we see storms like Helene go from barely a hurricane to almost a Cat 5 in 24 hours and we see the prognostications of those monitoring rising global temperatures tied to fossil fuel usage and innately understand that our current course has to change or the planet will become less and less hospitable for human life and safety.

So no, no cheerleading here but for setting the record straight against Trump lies and distortions. When you see emerging technologies take hold and become valued on a global scale, it simply makes sense for the country with the most diverse and nimble economy to take full advantage of the opportunity to be a leader not only today, but on into the future. That's what I'm actively cheering for.

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-30 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And lastly, the only time I mention domestic oil production is to counter the lying narrative that Biden and Harris have stymied current production when nothing is further from the truth. The industry is still growing,"

I didn't say anything about OPEC. Nor did you until that last post.

It's just that people think oil production is like some valve a president has in his office...he turns in either way at will and POOF! prices go up or down.....and the president controls it.

It's why there are those who believe Biden is restricting growth. He might be trying (not saying he is) but it's clearly not working even if it's true.

"While I understand our need to move from fossil fuels, I've never been an advocate for intentionally harming Americans in the course of doing so."

High gas prices drives these moves in cycles. We all know that. Many people ARE advocates for intentionally harming Americans. They don't use those words but it's accepted that the marketplace will drive this innovation and it helps when gas prices are so high people seek alternatives.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-30 10:22 AM | Reply

Once you realize one poster here and its aliases work for Russia all their posts make sense.

#33 | Posted by AlternateFacts at 2024-09-30 10:27 AM | Reply

What are you talking about? Asheville NC was flooded by a hurricane just as bad, on July 16, 1916 by the remnants of the Charleston Hurricane.
#19 | Posted by oneironaut

I saw someone on the news today who owns a bar in downtown Asheville and who was there when the flooding started. He said he thought they were safe because they knew how high the waters had come in the 1916 flood, but that the water rose higher than that and all the way into his restaurant. Based on his story, the flooding was worse this time around.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-30 10:49 AM | Reply

Reporter: "Do you have any words to the victims of the hurricane?"

Biden: "We've given everything that we have."

Reporter "Are there any more resources the federal government could be giving them?"

Biden: "No."

#35 | Posted by commnotes at 2024-09-30 11:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Prior to global warming, a large storm like this one had never occurred. Meteorologists had to invent the term "hurricane" in 2005 to describe them.

#36 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-30 11:18 AM | Reply

It's just that people think oil production is like some valve a president has in his office...he turns in either way at will and POOF! prices go up or down.....and the president controls it.

I'd hope you know that I'm not such a person. Presidents have very little direct impact upon our economy, but one party continually markets that they and their presidents do and we know which party that is. And in many minds, perception is reality.

I brought up OPEC because it's my rationale for saying what I'm saying. I thought that I'd made it very clear over and over again. When one talks about the global oil supply, that is talking about OPEC because it has direct influence over it due to the very nature of its cartel. It's impossible for me to talk about domestic oil production without tying it to global oil production and OPEC. At one point, OPEC allowed the markets to become saturated and prices to fall below the threshold where US shale producers could turn a profit, so they shuttered operations until prices rose again. And today, with Russia deep into its war with Ukraine, and the Saudi's influence waning a little due to our surge in production, OPEC's appetite for trying to squelch US production doesn't exist like it has in the past.

Biden isn't currently trying to restrict US production even in fracking. He innately understands the relationship between our strong domestic economy, the price of oil, and particularly inflation. His priority coming out of the pandemic has been to let our domestic oil industries thrive while still trying to protect sensitive lands and waters from further drilling at this time, while still championing the new technologies emerging in renewable energy, hoping that innovation continues to lower its costs in relation to fossil fuels.

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-30 11:31 AM | Reply

Based on his story, the flooding was worse this time around.

Not to mention Asheville is 200 miles farther inland from where Helene made landfall than the 1916 storm.

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-30 11:35 AM | Reply

Prior to global warming, a large storm like this one had never occurred ...

at the frequency, size, and with the rapid intensification characteristics that we're seeing in today's storms.

We seem to continue to have 100-year storm events multiple times annually as of late. When you have 100-year storms every year - sometimes in multiples - they aren't 100-year storms anymore, are they?

#39 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-30 11:36 AM | Reply

Comparing storms 10,000 years ago to present day, property damage is also increasing.

#40 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-30 12:00 PM | Reply

Comparing storms 10,000 years ago to present day,

Please STFU and go play in traffic with the other brain-dead idiots.

NOAA's Historical Hurricane Tracks is a free online tool that allows users to track the paths of historic hurricanes. The site, developed by the NOAA Office for Coastal Management in partnership with NOAA's National Hurricane Center and National Centers for Environmental Information, offers data and information on coastal county hurricane strikes through 2016. It also provides links to detailed reports on the life histories and effects of U.S. tropical cyclones since 1958, with additional U.S. storm paths traced as far back as 1851.

The site also contains global hurricane data from as far back as 1851.

oceanservice.noaa.gov

You simply drip of stupidity.

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-30 12:05 PM | Reply

-I'd hope you know that I'm not such a person.

I do

"Presidents have very little direct impact upon our economy,"

There are a ton of people here on the DR who disagree with you.

Overall outside the world of political junkies? I think most agree with you on that.

But not here.......people here think the president decides which toothpaste you buy and the price.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-30 12:07 PM | Reply

Energy, trade, military and immigration policies have little direct impact on the economy?

#43 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-30 12:16 PM | Reply

at the frequency, size, and with the rapid intensification characteristics that we're seeing in today's storms.

TS Kirk is forecast to spool up quickly to a large hurricane.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-30 12:16 PM | Reply

Energy, trade, military and immigration policies have little direct impact on the economy?

#43 | Posted by visitor_

Oh, they do.

Trump has promised to get in the way of all of them.

#45 | Posted by Zed at 2024-09-30 12:18 PM | Reply

There are a ton of people here on the DR who disagree with you.

Sometimes I think you miss the forest for the trees. To the degree you're noting, in my eyes, it started with Trump and his incessant marketing of what he still calls "the best economy ever," which it wasn't by any objective sense.

Politicians indeed have always run on the economy being good or not so good depending upon whether they're incumbents or an outsider.

We sit here today with a remarkable economic turnaround after the global effects of the Covid pandemic. Objectively - outside of global inflation - the US economy remains the strongest, most resilient economy on the planet. Yet, if you listen to Trump, we're inches away from 1929 - which is crazy talk. And most of his base refuse to become disabused of their false beliefs.

Do liberals and progressives now use the economy to credit the Biden/Harris Administration beyond their actual input in fostering current conditions? Of course. But they have to to blunt Trump's counter-narrative based on lies and false hyperbole that so many Americans believe, even against factual evidence to the contrary.

It is what it is.

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-30 12:21 PM | Reply

When the ruling classes give up their mega yachts and private jets and move into tiny homes, I'll consider reducing my carbon footprint. Until then, drill baby drill. Lead by example.

#47 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-30 01:26 PM | Reply

On Sunday, Vice President Kamala Harris posted a photo on Air Force Two - in which she appears with blank pieces of paper and unplugged headphones (maybe she was using her earrings?) to 'respond' to the disaster.

Omg her headphones aren't even plugged in

She's pretending to take disaster relief calls for a photo op

Such a fraud t.co
" DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) September 30, 2024

#48 | Posted by commnotes at 2024-09-30 04:57 PM | Reply

#48

Wowser!

That's almost as bad as trying to overturn a Pres Election with Fake Electors and a violent mob at the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power in this country!

Thanks for the game changing intel!!

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-30 05:10 PM | Reply

As Trump lies about President Biden allegedly refusing to talk to GA Gov. Kemp, Franklin Graham stands there silently giving his support. Then when Graham spoke, he thanked Trump & said nothing to push back against lies. More shamefulness from @Franklin_Graham

3:27 PM Sep 30, 2024

#50 | Posted by Hans at 2024-09-30 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#48 | Posted by commnotes at 2024-09-30 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag: Interesting

#51 | Posted by Hans at 2024-09-30 06:03 PM | Reply

#48 | Posted by commnotes at 2024-09-30 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag: Interesting

MAGAts post and re-post 100% BS because they believe that everyone is as gullible and stupid as they are.

#52 | Posted by Hans at 2024-09-30 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Harris cuts campaign trip short to visit FEMA for Helene briefing
thehill.com

... Vice President Harris is cutting her campaign swing on the west coast short to return to Washington, D.C., for a briefing on Hurricane Helene.

A White House official said Harris will depart Las Vegas on Monday morning, canceling planned campaign stops, to head back to the nation's capital. Harris will visit Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) headquarters for a briefing on the impacts of Helene and updates on the federal response, the official said.

Harris on Sunday spoke with North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper (D) about the aftermath of the storm and reached out to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) and Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R). Harris is expected to visit affected areas "as soon as it is possible without disrupting emergency response operations," a White House official said. ...


#53 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-30 06:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden/Harris admit to phoning in their hurricane response.

#54 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-10-01 01:44 AM | Reply

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