#7

That is the worst fact check I've ever seen.

Yes, because it eviscerated your lying argument. Congress passed money for FEMA's SSP program SEPARATELY from the disaster funds. NO DISASTER FUNDS were spent on immigrants during the Biden Administration, only TRUMP did that in 2019.

FEMA hasn't spent all their budget yet, but with the most expensive hurricane damage IN HISTORY currently being addressed, if another storm hits our mainland this season FEMA won't have the money to adequately respond. They're letting Congress know in advance, not waiting until the last second.

And lastly, the only President to steal money from the disaster fund was TRUMP in 2019, as documented in the article.

Sorry, you don't have facts, you have lies and projections fueling your never-ending gaslighting. Hopefully one of these days you'll self immolate from all your dishonesty.

After the hurricane, support for Trump over Harris has increased since Oct 1.

So you trust polling taken when half the state's voters are digging out from a 1000 year storm and no cell phone service nor electricity is available for hundreds of thousands if not millions of people?

You go with that bro.

Like I said, I'll be watching it.

No disrespect, you're the one that brought up NC after the hurricane hit.

And on the polling in general, I'm having a hard time thinking any pollster has a model reflective of the electorate who'll vote this year.

Don't know if you've read the stories, but Trump has outsourced his GOTV efforts and they're focused on low propensity rural/exurbans who typically don't vote. No one is polling for that.

In their own ways, both parties are trying to expand their own electorates by getting people to the polls who don't consistently participate. That's why we won't really know what polls were right or wrong until after the election. All of them are hoping to be polling the electorate that votes, but none of them can be certain.

What we do know for certain is an awful lot of prior Trump voters will not be voting for him this year and will he be able to not only replace those folks but also expand on the 73 million total who voted for him in 2020?

The occurance of this storm and the people suffering could make Harris lose in what might have been a sure thing for her.

Why? It was the Democrats who tried to strengthen building regulations in the affected areas only to be rebuffed by the GOP majorities overriding vetoes from the Governor allowing builders to go cheap to keep prices down.

I think you're buying into the political narrative and ignoring the reality that every governor - but DeSantis - has praised Biden and the federal response PUBLICLY, even Brian Kemp who just appeared with Trump who lyingly bashed the feds.

It's this simple: Helene caused a once in 1000-year flooding event which struck people in sparsely populated, mountainous rural areas. In many places, entire towns were washed away in the raging waters. There is an unprecedented amount of people and materials either headed towards these people or already nearby to help them. Everyone cannot be reached at the same time, so yes, some people weren't reached or reachable in the immediate days after the storm passed.

But this is through no fault of anyone in the chain of command. Mother Nature dealt this hand and it's a doozy. Outside of the party not in power turning tragedy into a political weapon, there is no reason the very people and party who've warned that our warming climate is supercharging hurricanes in ways we haven't experienced in our lifetimes should be blamed for being right with their warnings and predictions. It's the GOP currently standing in the way of passing needed funds for the bridge reconstruction in Baltimore harbor, and compensating victims from past weather events, not the Democrats. Just today, Speaker Johnson claims that Congress need not return to pass funding in advance of Milton and to bolster FEMA's disaster relief coffers, but you expect voters to blame Harris if they feel the federal government is letting them down?

Frankly, it sort of makes sense and is quite believable actually, considering everything else that has been done the last few years, that disaster money has been diverted leaving Americans doing without, who desperately need financial help, and instead are doling it out to immigrants here illegally.

As I said, you believe in lies and expect others to as well.

4th time:

Worth repeating:

I feel like you righties are susceptible to the nonsense on this topic because you don't really grasp the scales involved. The number of square miles of difficult terrain, the amount of space between need and the difficulty in getting from A to B (see point 1), and the sheer scale of the breadth and volume of needed supplies. You can't just *poof* this stuff into thin air, *shazam* it to the people's front porch and *boing* know exactly where to go next.

Like I said, you're really showing your anti-America ass on this because your bias is making you susceptible to believing BS without a second thought.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-04 09:17 PM

The more we hear about FEMA and the handling of budgeted funds during this current administration, the more things aren't looking good for a Harris win.

You're not hearing the truth, and the truth still matters. All you're doing is repeating lies just like Trump and just like Vance and just like Haitians are eating dogs and cats.

There is no mishandling of funds, FEMA is doing what CONGRESS mandated in regards to taking care of immigrants in a separately funded program, not by using disaster relief fund money!

Congress boosted the budget from $360 million in fiscal year 2023 to $650 million in fiscal year 2024.

This has been elevated to the "billion dollar program spending FEMA money on immigrants." It's the program Congress mandated that FEMA oversee - wholly unrelated to its disaster relief duties.

Lying right wing media are conflating these issues and creating false impressions in people's minds and these need to be corrected with the truth every single time the lies resurface.

And you know what the worst part of this whole convoluted lie is? Trump actually did divert disaster relief funds to pay for immigrant control programs in 2019.

#50

MTG certainly noticed this on her partisan map of voters affected by the storm. I wonder if the GOP will again stand against any non-legislative accomodations for voters in the affected areas. And how many of the survivors might have left the state to stay with friends and relatives? Will Republicans rail against extending deadlines or opening specific mail-in voting for their own constituencies?

This will be interesting to see. Thanks for the reminder Donnerboy.

#52

How do you reach towns where the single road in and out was washed out? How do plan for entire towns being washed away and no useable infrastructure left? No water, no electricity, no cell service, no commercial radio, no way to communicate to survivors stuck where they are?

The preparations were there, the ability to activate them was disabled by Mother Nature to the point man literally must first remove debris and impediments just to reach people where they're stranded.

How many hurricanes in the past have required airdrops in order to supply areas because they're completely inaccessible by land?

I'll take the words of professionals who've been doing relief for decades over your opinions.

Again the only State I see as organized is Florida.

And you along with DeSantis will be here Friday, complaining about the federal government's response should Milton hit as a major hurricane.

Trust me, I hope that I'm wrong. I've got family evacuating Pinellas County tomorrow heading inland to Orlando.

Florida has had the most practice in hurricane response so they should be better than states hit more rarely.

The storm changed since they left this morning to what they thought might be safer area.

I've got peeps heading there tomorrow from Tampa Bay. If the storm follows the track out now, Orlando will still be far safer than anywhere on the west coast. It's scheduled to move very quickly across the state. I guess it depends how large it is when it hits and how drenching the rains are.

Thank God it isn't forecast to stall over the state.

Logistics, the means of strategy and tactics, determines what is practically possible in war.

Weather isn't war. Warfare is far more predictable than our current history-making supercharged hurricanes.

First and foremost, supply depots can be hit just as readily as any other place. And do you see the spaghetti modeling of hurricane tracking? Even with the best planning, a storm can change on a dime and move in another direction which completely alters response plans. There isn't certainty until there is.

Helene was a once in 1000-year storm. No one can adequately prepare for something so vast and catastrophic in a matter of days, maybe a week, when there is no absolute certainty of just when and where it will do its damage.

And that wasn't meant to be snarky.

I didn't see it that way at all, and thanks for the kindness.

But I am worried about all the rain the same areas of Florida targeted by Milton are getting in advance. If I read the meteorological information from Helene correctly, when a hurricane moves over already saturated land it weakens more slowly and recycles the existent water vapor into more intense downpours leading to catastrophic flooding.

It would be a shame if the storm is still packing a wallop by the time it reaches Orlando. Things simply are looking bleak right now for Tampa Bay and central Florida in the likely path of Milton.