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Monday, March 03, 2025

It's Oscar Sunday, a ceremony fueled by one thing: publicity. We turn ordinary people into gods and goddesses by telling flattering myths about who they are and why they're important. The "narrative" gives voters a reason to care and almost always drives the win. In Hollywood, they're not planning on changing anything, just as the Democrats won't. They haven't noticed that, as they're watching the band play on, the ship is made of iron and will sink. What do they even stand for anymore? Transing the kids, open borders for cheap labor, and most importantly, the war in Ukraine. Attending the Oscars is like supporting the Democrats, like supporting Zelensky"an alignment of power like no other.

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WOW How desperately disgusting of you Jeff. We aren't surprised however.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-04 12:45 AM | Reply

"We turn ordinary people into gods and goddesses by telling flattering myths about who they are and why they're important."

Ah yes.

The myth, that Russia invaded Ukraine.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-04 01:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I guarantee neither of you read the linked piece.

I don't care. I expect nothing less.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 01:37 AM | Reply

A leader of a democratic nation invaded by an authoritarian, who has lead his people to fight on despite overwhelming odds is a man to be admired and a cause to be supported

Jeff is vile to think otherwise

But remember folks Jeff does not support -------. Just everything ------- does

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-04 06:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That pile of s**t opinion piece good possibly for toilet paper; nothing else. Zelensky is defending his nation against a former suprt-power amazingly effectively while the President has turned everything into a personal agenda based on subservience to him personally. Last night on Colbert they focused on J.D, Vance's attack on Zelensky's attire by cutting to Elon Musk's press conference from the Oval Office wearing a T-shirt but Trump and Vance are so self-focused that --------- Vance didn't even seem aware of the hypocrisy. Trump and Vance behave as if Donald has actually been corronated; will he be sporting a crown tonight? Will he demand to be addressed as "your majesty?"

#5 | Posted by danni at 2025-03-04 07:31 AM | Reply

Twoothy

Go piss off hou pathetic loser. Zelenskyy has no chance without massive US support. For 3 years that support has maintained a status quo of death, destruction and hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars down the drain. It's time to end the war unless you think the US need to escalate it so your butt buddy can feel good about himself. You are a moron and a despicable person.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 08:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zelenskyy has no chance without massive US support.

#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Not true.

As long as Ukraine wants to fight and Europe is stepping up.

Which are the case.

And as long as Russia is bled white.

Which it is.

On a personal note, your imitation of a facist Russian has always disgusted me.

You don't live Ukraine, fine.

Love your freaking country.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-04 08:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars down the drain.

#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You have a lot of godammed gall to try that lie here, of all places.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-04 08:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For 3 years that support has maintained a status quo of death, destruction and hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars down the drain.

#6 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You fascists were saying the same thing about the US support for England, 1939-1941.

How old are you? Maybe it was you personally.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-04 08:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You are a moron and a despicable person.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger

Says the guy who wants to cave to Putin after voting for Putin's plant to willfully destroy our country from within.

In other words, f(*& off. You have no right to speak.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2025-03-04 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fact

The vast majority of us military aid was obsolete military equipment weapons and ammunition allowing America to pay us defense contractors to upgrade our military. That alone is worth th expenditure

Sir no not hundreds of billions. That is simply a lie

And btw weakening Russia is incredibly beneficial to our interests

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-04 09:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Says the guy who wants to cave to Putin after voting for Putin's plant to willfully destroy our country from within.

In other words, f(*& off. You have no right to speak.

Posted by jpw at 2025-03-04 08:59 AM | Reply

Bears repeating.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-04 09:05 AM | Reply

#11
Your point about weakening Putin's Russia ought to be sufficient justification for yuuuge infusions of assistance for Ukraine.

#13 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-03-04 09:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Fact

Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2014

And agreed to a ceasefire

Then Russia broke that ceasefire and invaded the Donbas

And then agreed to a ceasefire

So to think Russia will honor another ceasefire is just stupid

No wonder then that Jeff thinks it a good idea

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-04 09:24 AM | Reply

POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're not popular here.

It's more than abstract disagreement of foreign policy.

Trump/MAGA and your behavior are concretely starting to hurt people I know, some of whom I love.

These are hard-working, honest people and good citizens----The very reverse of Trump/MAGA.

I hope that I live long enough to pick up the pieces and burn what's left of your "movement" in the trash bin.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-04 09:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zelenskyy has no chance without massive US support. For 3 years that support has maintained a status quo of death, destruction and hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars down the drain. It's time to end the war unless you think the US need to escalate it so your butt buddy can feel good about himself. You are a moron and a despicable person.
#6 | Posted by BellRinger

Billions of tax payer dollars down the drain? Au contraire:

Most Ukraine aid bills fund America's local industries.

The vast majority of U.S. Ukraine-related funding does not go directly to Ukraine; it stays in the U.S. economy, subsidizing the production of weapons in at least 31 states and 71 cities.

While Ukraine gets most of the aid in the form of old American weapons pulled from U.S. reserves, it's American workers at American companies that make new weapons to replenish them.

America's military-industrial complex also restocks inventories of its NATO allies who similarly help Ukraine.

Not only does this revitalize the communities around large manufacturing plants in mostly Republican states, but it has created so many high-level jobs that some places are struggling to find enough qualified workers.

"We have right now more people working in the history of our state than we have at any point," Mike Preston, Arkansas's secretary of commerce told Politico back in September 2022. "And there are 70,000 open jobs in our state," he added.

www.lawfaremedia.org

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-04 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're not popular here.

It's more than abstract disagreement of foreign policy.

Trump/MAGA and your behavior are concretely starting to hurt people I know, some of whom I love.

That is why I have said since the election that I view magat scum as a direct threat to my loved ones. ---- them. And we are just beginning to see the damage. ---- between tariffs and the coming jobs report the stock market is gonna take a nose dive over the next week

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-04 09:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Jeff supports a traitor who sides with Putin and Kim Jung Un. Need we say anymore??

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-04 09:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" You have a lot of godammed gall to try that lie here, of all places.

#8 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2025-03-04 08:55 AM | FLAG: |"

Oh really? How much of our assets have been sent over? $2? You make shht up, Zed. All of the time. What I said is factual. Deal with it.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shut up, Laura Mohr. You, the supposed pacifist, support endless war. So does Twoothy.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 10:48 AM | Reply

" You're not popular here."

I couldn't care less. A bunch of pansies who can't handle reality being stuffed in their pouty faces.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boy, do you sound grouchy.

#22 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-03-04 10:53 AM | Reply

Shut up, Laura Mohr. You, the supposed pacifist, support endless war. So does Twoothy.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 10:48 AM | Reply

Alvin York on line 1 for you.

Desmond T. Doss on line 2.

GFY on line 3.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-04 10:56 AM | Reply

Oh really? How much of our assets have been sent over? $2? You make shht up, Zed. All of the time. What I said is factual. Deal with it.
#19 | Posted by BellRinger

A lot of what you post about Ukraine is not factual at all. Here is some info I posted for you in another thread, which you never returned to, where you posted misinfo about Ukraine:

"It's a stance I happen toagree with and I've felt that way since after the first year of this conflict. Ukraine is not a NATO ally and while Europe offers loans for Ukraine (and in way smaller numbers than what we've provided) we have been giving grants to the tune of nearly $200 billion with no end in sight if we stay the course." Bellringer

The numbers cited by Trump about the contributions of the US vs Europe are wrong. Charts at link:

The Real Ukraine Numbers

The Trump administration is closing in on a deal for the United States to receive a financial interest in Ukraine's critical minerals industry. The first question, of course, is why we are asking an ally that was attacked to pay a kind of reparations. But apart from that, the president has characteristically exaggerated and misrepresented the facts.

As he often does, the president has been wildly misrepresenting the facts around Ukrainian war aid. He claims that the United States has provided around $350 billion in aid; the actual figure is $120 billion. He has said that Europe has provided about $100 billion; the correct figure is $138 billion. (It is true that some portion of the European aid is in the form of loans.)

As a share of gross domestic product, the U.S. is roughly in the middle of the pack, well below small countries like Estonia and Denmark that are geographically close to Ukraine but roughly in line with larger countries like France and the U.K.

Against that backdrop, it is not clear why Trump believes that the U.S. is entitled to his requested $500 billion of compensation from Ukraine's critical minerals industry, large resources of titanium, lithium, uranium and others. Regardless, the Ukrainians appear likely to agree to something as soon as Friday, when Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy visits Washington.

It's also important to note that the European Union and its members have promised an additional $121 billion in assistance while the U.S. has only pledged an additional $5 billion.

stevenrattner.com

I think our leaders have been smart in how they have been using the Ukraine funding to benefit ourselves as well as Ukraine, keeping in mind a point I made the other day:

"With US money but no US boots on the ground, Ukraine has significantly degraded Russia's military capablity, something Republicans would have cheered in the past."

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-04 10:58 AM | Reply

BR, you can keep on expressing your opinion. That's cool. And you can keep on pretending the facts you are basing that opinion on are true, also your right but not so cool.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-04 11:04 AM | Reply

" Says the guy who wants to cave to Putin after voting for Putin's plant to willfully destroy our country from within.

In other words, f(*& off. You have no right to speak.

#10 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-03-04 08:59 AM | FLAG: | "

Go suck a dick at the----------.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 11:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" Says the guy who wants to cave to Putin after voting for Putin's plant to willfully destroy our country from within.

In other words, f(*& off. You have no right to speak.

#10 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-03-04 08:59 AM | FLAG: | "

Go suck a dick at the----------.

#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 11:08 AM | Reply

" So to think Russia will honor another ceasefire is just stupid"

So, don't even try to work out a deal? If we have big Us investments in Ukraine mining precious metals do you think Putin may think twice about further aggression when he now would be directly invested living the US?

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 11:11 AM | Reply

" 11
Your point about weakening Putin's Russia ought to be sufficient justification for yuuuge infusions of assistance for Ukraine.

#13 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS AT 2025-03-04 09:08 AM | FLAG: | "

As we deplete our resources to prolong death and destruction XI is pointing and laughing while they continue to build up their assets.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 11:12 AM | Reply

So , don't even try to work out a deal? If we have big Us investments in Ukraine mining precious metals do you think Putin may think twice about further aggression when he now would be directly invested living the US?

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 11:11 AM | Reply

ROFLMMFAO HEHEHEHEHE I can't believe that you believe that crap. That's hilarious Jeff.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-04 11:13 AM | Reply

" The vast majority of us military aid was obsolete military equipment weapons and ammunition allowing America to pay us defense contractors to upgrade our military. That alone is worth th expenditure"

So obsolete that it's better than the equipment Russia is using against Ukraine. One thing is for certain, I never would have imagined you'd be a cheerleader for the MIC.

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 11:14 AM | Reply

So, Laura Mohr thinks if we have billions invested in land in Ukraine that Putin is going to carpet bomb the mines once they are up and running. He's an evil thug but he's boot stupid and certainly possesses the instinct of self preservation.

The thing about Dems/Leftists is they don't articulate a realistic endgame when it comes to this war.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 11:17 AM | Reply

Trump should never have demanded rights to their minerals in the first place. They held up their end of the bargain when they gave up their nukes. We should hold up our end of the bargain without any added strings attached. Doing so makes this country crass to say the least.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-04 11:21 AM | Reply

"I never would have imagined you'd be a cheerleader for the MIC."

Bookmark this, for the next time you're confused about the meaning of the word "strawman". It's a textbook example.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-03-04 11:27 AM | Reply

Vlad and Donald His Dog probably already have a deal to let Vlad keep the half of the Donmas mining he's already stolen.

Face facts... Trump prefers the child killing an kidnapping Putin to the heroic defender of democracy Zelensky.

Because Zelensky refused help Trump in manufacturing dirt on Biden... which got him embarrassed by being Impeached.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-04 11:33 AM | Reply

I also recognize that surrendering to a fascist is a bad idea

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-04 11:35 AM | Reply

Putin may think twice about further aggression

Putin: "Go ahead. Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens!"

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-04 11:36 AM | Reply

Defending the morally, ethically, and rationally indefensible has become Jeff's only purpose around here.

Which is why he's killfiled.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-04 11:41 AM | Reply

"The thing about Dems/Leftists is they don't articulate a realistic endgame when it comes to this war."

Go on. Show us how it's done.

Give us your "realistic endgame" to this war.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-04 12:31 PM | Reply

Surrender to Putin is the end game Trump supporters prefer.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-04 12:33 PM | Reply

You won't get an original thought from these Trump supporting morons anymore.

They're all simply repeating what they're reading from their rightwing propaganda sources.

The cult is an echo chamber.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-04 12:37 PM | Reply

"With US money but no US boots on the ground, Ukraine has significantly degraded Russia's military capablity, something Republicans would have cheered in the past."

Can a Republican voter, explain why it's bad that we degraded Russia's military capability?

Maybe an Independent or a Libertarian who didn't vote for Kamala, wants to step up and explain it?

Didn't think so.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-04 12:38 PM | Reply

Why is the Putinista aka Jeffrey still allowed to post Ruskie propaganda here?

#43 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-03-04 02:11 PM | Reply

I would but then I'd have the FBI/secret service knocking at 4am with guns drawn.

#44 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-03-04 02:13 PM | Reply

ROFLMMFAO HEHEHEHEHE I can't believe that you believe that crap. That's hilarious Jeff.

#30 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Jeff's a Ruskie, Ruskie's generally are dumb AF.

#45 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-03-04 02:15 PM | Reply

Can a Republican voter, explain why it's bad that we degraded Russia's military capability?

Not just a voter - how about a Senator?
"I want to tell you and your people, you're the ally I've been hoping for all my life. You've taken our weapons, and you've kicked their ass. I'm very proud to have you as our ally," Senator Lindsey Graham at Munich Security Conference...

#46 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-04 02:27 PM | Reply

" also recognize that surrendering to a fascist is a bad idea

#36 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-03-04 11:35 AM | FLAG: "

That doesn't appear to be on the table.

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-04 03:22 PM | Reply

Ballwasher the Russian stooge. ---- off, you stupid ----.

#48 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-03-04 04:39 PM | Reply

What I said is factual.

#19 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Nah.

What you said is disingenuous, a form of lie.

The United States has not been hurt by anything it's done for Ukraine; it's not been impoverished or made weaker.

We got good things from it, material and otherwise, which you people and the Orange Russian are pissing away.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-04 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So obsolete that it's better than the equipment Russia is using against Ukraine.

#31 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Obsolete for us, a miracle for Ukraine.

If you ever have a moment of honesty in your life it will provoke a stroke.

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-04 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You people are forever hallucinating that someone is doing something horrible to you.

You've put Ukraine on that list.

You're narcissistic. Spoiled little boys and girls who never understood how good you had it.

Now Trump is taking it all away from you. Suffer and maybe grow up.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-04 06:36 PM | Reply

The sub-headline of the cited article...

... They treated him like a movie star. How could it not go to his head? ...

Who treated Pres Zelinskyy like a movie star?

Really, who? And why?

That seems to be the basis of the entire OpEd.

So, when the basis of an OpEd may be wrong in its first sentence, what does that say about the rest of the OpEd based upon the premise of that first sentence?


It just looks like yet another trolling thread, looking for the number of replies that it seems to crave, by that current alias.....

On the other hand, more replies are good for the site, so, who am I to complain about the inanity of any individual alias, even one as ridiculous as this one?





#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-04 07:45 PM | Reply

I guarantee neither of you read the linked piece.

I don't care. I expect nothing less.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger

Post better teasers that say what you want the discussion to be about.

Offer your opinion before you get hammered just for being you.

Take it or leave it.

#53 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-03-04 07:58 PM | Reply

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