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Trump to Scrap Biden-era Fuel Economy Rules
A White House announcement slated for Wednesday marks the administration's latest blow to policies aimed at slashing emissions.
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Trump rolls back Biden-era fuel economy standards, paving way for more gas-powered cars[image or embed] -- Yahoo Finance (@yahoofinance.com) Dec 3, 2025 at 4:36 PM
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This is much needed. Congress needs to repeal CAFE altogether. It's a relic that is not needed any more.
#1 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 11:43 PM | Reply
Corky,
I created a Trump thread!
#2 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-04 11:43 PM | Reply
You misspelled Lewzer.
#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-12-04 11:44 PM | Reply
#2
How appropriate a number for your postage.
There's nothing funny about you obfuscating for the Worst President Ever... well, except for how inept you are at it.
This Cafe Rule move, one supposes, makes up for him murdering 600,000 people this year alone, 2/3rds of them children. And at home, killing healthcare for millions because he has No Plan.
You must be so proud to have had a part in all that.
#4 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-04 11:51 PM | Reply
You need to lighten up. You shouldn't be this angry.
#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 12:08 AM | Reply
"save money for consumers"
How do bigger, less fuel efficient cars save money?
#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-05 12:16 AM | Reply
#6
You should be angry that your hero is a mass murderer abroad. And that he's killing health care for millions here at home.
But you are too busy tending to his ------.
#7 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-05 12:19 AM | Reply
#7 was for the deluded cultist at #5.
#8 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-05 12:20 AM | Reply
"----------"... I think that sums it up.
#9 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-05 12:27 AM | Reply
"You should be angry"
What a ------- child to tell people how to feel
Do you want people to tell you how to feel?
Of course not.
But then I had to remember I'm talking with to somebody who graduated from the third grade last week
#10 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-05 12:33 AM | Reply
#10
You should feel stupid if you reread your post.
---------- said I shouldn't be angry about Trump's Death Tolls and his killing healthcare.
You must agree with him.
#11 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-05 12:36 AM | Reply
#11. I was talking about your anger with me for posting topics you disapprove of. You are beginning to sound like Twoothy.
#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 12:43 AM | Reply
Corky, You need to lighten up. You shouldn't be this angry.
#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 12:08 AM | Reply | Flag
Someone needs to be angry. This country is ------ up and getting worse by the day.
#13 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-05 03:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
This is much needed. Congress needs to repeal CAFE altogether. It's a relic that is not needed any more. #1 | Posted by BellRinger
Because gas is cheap and we stopped needing to breathe clean air. And because climate change is a hoax, which is why insurance companies (which care about money, and pretty much nothing else) are pulling out of Florida as sea levels increase.
But yes, let's give more of our money to nations that hate us to buy their oil, rather than having a more fuel efficient auto fleet. And avoid building green technology that would make us self-sufficient while simultaneously protecting the environment and our health.
In other news that MAGAts will celebrate:
Trump's EPA to "reconsider" ban on cancer-causing asbestos Trump has supported use of asbestos and blamed the mob for its bad reputation.
#14 | Posted by censored at 2025-12-05 08:17 AM | Reply
"Trump has supported use of asbestos and blamed the mob for its bad reputation."
Republican Family Values on full display.
#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-05 08:43 AM | Reply
People have so much free cash floating around they surely won't mind having to buy more gas because cars become less efficient...
#16 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-05 10:36 AM | Reply
#16
A market will still exist for fuel efficient cars and the automakers will look to seize that market share.
Biden's team was trying to force EV's on us in large numbers. Those kinds of controls drive up the fleet costs.
You are taking a WAY too narrow look at this.
#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 11:10 AM | Reply
" But yes, let's give more of our money to nations that hate us to buy their oil, rather than having a more fuel efficient auto fleet. And avoid building green technology that would make us self-sufficient while simultaneously protecting the environment and our health."
Those are all more achievable in the absence of a centrally planned energy sector.
#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 11:11 AM | Reply
A market will still exist for fuel efficient cars and the automakers will look to seize that market share. Biden's team was trying to force EV's on us in large numbers. Those kinds of controls drive up the fleet costs. You are taking a WAY too narrow look at this. #17 | Posted by BellRinger
Those are all more achievable in the absence of a centrally planned energy sector. #18 | Posted by BellRinger
Yes, let's rely upon 350 million consumers to independently decide to pay a few grand extra. And poison the rest of us when they decide that immediate savings are more important. Like the MAGAts want us to rely upon private charities to keep citizens from starving to death. And we'll keep American dollars flowing to nations that want us destroyed, because freedumb demands it. Because energy independence, clean air, and curbing emission of greenhouse gases are, as you put it, "relics."
#19 | Posted by censored at 2025-12-05 11:25 AM | Reply
How do bigger, less fuel efficient cars save money? #6 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
My guess is thats why Trump is changing the CAFE rules, they didn't.
2011 - CAFE standards create profit incentive for larger vehicles
ANN ARBOR"The current Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards create a financial incentive for auto companies to make bigger vehicles that are allowed to meet lower targets, according to a new University of Michigan study.
Over their lifetimes, these larger vehicles would generate between three and ten 1,000-megawatt coal-fired power plants' worth of excess carbon emissions. A 1,000-megawatt plant could provide power for more than half a million people. news.umich.edu
#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-05 11:36 AM | Reply
#19. People care about those things. We aren't the Soviet Union. Central planning results in abject human suffering.
People still care about fuel economy because it impacts their pocketbook. Trying to force crappy technology on us diverts precious resources to crappy technology and stifles innovation.
#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 11:39 AM | Reply
CAFE is an average applied to the entire automotive fleet. So trucks are cheaper because the fuel efficiency standards are lower.
With tank weight EV's people are less inclined to buy a Toyota Yaris with a small efficient engine because if they get into an accident with a Volt they probably aren't going to survive.
#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 11:42 AM | Reply
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER
Also the footprint, if you had a particular engine that got a low MPG, you could increase the size of the vehicle to meet footprint to mpg ratios under obama's changes.
#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-05 11:49 AM | Reply
#22
I have no issue with EV's, its not crappy tech, its just not the end all many here claim them to be. Hover vehicles will open up the world.
#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-05 11:50 AM | Reply
"#19. People care about those things."
They claim to care, but then don't put their money where their mouth is. And they certainly don't care enough to independently decide to pay more to stop poisoning their neighbors. They care enough to install micron air filters in their car cabin to make sure they don't breathe their own smog.
"We aren't the Soviet Union. Central planning results in abject human suffering." It's a wonder that they didn't stick with the capitalist utopia that existed under their czars
"People still care about fuel economy because it impacts their pocketbook." Save $10 grand over the life of the car by paying an extra $2 grand now? You're delusional if you think most consumers are going to pay that extra 2 grand.
"Trying to force crappy technology on us diverts precious resources to crappy technology and stifles innovation. #21 | Posted by BellRinger"
"low emission/cleaner emission vehicles are Crappy Tech" -BellRinger
And what innovation is needed? Status quo is cheaper, and that's what most consumers care about. No matter the cost to the rest of society. Internalize those costs, like by making everyone who buys a polluting vehicle pay for air filters and electricity to run those filters for everyone else, and you might have a point.
#25 | Posted by censored at 2025-12-05 11:51 AM | Reply
" And what innovation is needed? "
ICE's have constantly evolved over and improved. They are innings longer and longer. They have become the increasingly fuel efficient over decades. They have become more powerful. Example: Toyota has a 300+ HP 3-cylinder turbo. That's crazy.
#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 12:01 PM | Reply
God forbid we have cleaner more fuel efficient cars on the roads. God the stupidity of it all just reaks.
#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-12-05 12:04 PM | Reply
I say this with no disrespect. I think you are employing a logical fallacy. You seem to be saying that in the absence of CAFE (which was created in the 70's to explicitly address the oil embargo) nothing is achievable. That we may go back to the stone age of propulsion. Steam will make a comeback (yes, that's an exaggeration).
#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 12:06 PM | Reply
#28 Whenever a post ends with Posted by bell boi it is nothing but disrespectable.
Disrespectable to the intended poster.
Disrespectable to the rest of the audience.
Why, even disrespectable to yourself, bell boi.
Any respect for you went out the door on February 7, 2021.
And you've said nothing since then to change that.
#29 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-12-05 12:12 PM | Reply
Ah, I see new stalker is following me around.
Go sit in the corner, junior. The adults are talking.
#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-05 12:57 PM | Reply
God forbid we have cleaner more fuel efficient cars on the roads. God the stupidity of it all just reaks. #27 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR
Which is why Trump wanted to get rid of the Obama era rules.
Since 2011, fuel-economy targets scale with a vehicle's "footprint" (wheelbase track width). Big vehicles get lenient targets; small vehicles face demanding ones. A microcar that gets 40 MPG might be judged against a target of 50-60 MPG, while a full-size truck doing 20 MPG can satisfy a 22 MPG requirement.. The small car is clearly more efficient, yet it fails the rule that the truck passes. marginalrevolution.com
Do you even know whats going on?
#31 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-05 01:16 PM | Reply
I say this with no disrespect. I think you are employing a logical fallacy. You seem to be saying that in the absence of CAFE (which was created in the 70's to explicitly address the oil embargo) nothing is achievable. That we may go back to the stone age of propulsion. Steam will make a comeback (yes, that's an exaggeration). #28 | Posted by BellRinger
Plenty is achievable. The question is whether manufacturers will put the resources into achieving what is beneficial to our society and humanity without regulatory pressures.
Since corporations are in the "business" of selling stuff, and not helping humanity, my money is on them continuing to seek profit. There is little profit to be had on a quarterly basis from cutting fuel consumption when it costs the manufacturers sales, because most consumers are far more motivated by sales price than getting a couple more miles to the gallon.
#32 | Posted by censored at 2025-12-05 09:56 PM | Reply
Plenty is achievable. The question is whether manufacturers will put the resources into achieving what is beneficial to our society and humanity without regulatory pressures. Since corporations are in the "business" of selling stuff, and not helping humanity, my money is on them continuing to seek profit. There is little profit to be had on a quarterly basis from cutting fuel consumption when it costs the manufacturers sales, because most consumers are far more motivated by sales price than getting a couple more miles to the gallon.
Posted by censored at 2025-12-05 09:56 PM | Reply
Bears repeating
#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-12-05 10:16 PM | Reply
Bell,
Corky is saving the world one post at at time.
Or at least he thinks he is.
#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-12-06 01:04 PM | Reply
Biden #17 | Posted by BellRinger
Biden has nothing to do with this.
#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 03:39 PM | Reply
"That we may go back to the stone age of propulsion."
Internal combustion engines are steam age technology from the 1800s.
They won't get radically better than they are right now. Because they have already undergone a century of improvement.
#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-06 03:42 PM | Reply
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