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The Trump administration is considering recognizing Ukraine's Crimea region as Russian territory as part of any future agreement to end Moscow's war on Kyiv, according to two people familiar with the matter. Administration officials have also discussed the possibility of having the US urge the United Nations to do the same, according to both people. Such a request would align the Trump administration with the position of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has long seen Crimea as his nation's territory.

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As "negotiations" with Putin continue, the Trump regime appears prepared to recognize Ukraine's Crimea region as Russian territory.

Also being considered is the possibility of having the U.S. urge the United Nations to follow suit.

Surrendering Crimea to Putin would be a ... [image or embed]

" Stephanie Kennedy (@wordswithsteph.bsky.social) March 17, 2025 at 2:58 PM

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No one could have foreseen that Putin's Beach would do this.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-17 09:42 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure Obama gave Crimea away back during his Presidency, but hey what do I know ...

#2 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-03-17 09:43 PM | Reply

How can Russia be "given" a piece of land that it has possessed since 2014?

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-17 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm pretty sure Obama gave Crimea away back during his Presidency, but hey what do I know ...
#2 | Posted by Bluewaffles

Good job trying to cover for Trump's bend-over for Putin.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-17 09:45 PM | Reply

The noxious orange pedo has a long history of surrendering to Putin.

www.thedailybeast.com

#5 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-03-17 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How can Russia be "given" a piece of land that it has possessed since 2014?
#3 | Posted by BellRinger

Formal recognition, as it says in the three-sentence summary. The type we have not given before Orange Pussolini drops to his knees for Putin next month.

But you already knew that.

#6 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-17 09:49 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure Obama gave Crimea away back during his Presidency, but hey what do I know ...

Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-03-17 09:43 PM | Reply

Not much apparently.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-03-17 09:55 PM | Reply

" Formal recognition"

Okay. I get what you are saying. However from a practical standpoint, with or without formal recognition Russia still occupies Crimea and no military on the planet is going to take action to reverse that.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-17 10:06 PM | Reply

@#2 ... I'm pretty sure Obama gave Crimea away back during his Presidency ...

If your current alias is "pretty sure" then it must have evidence.

So, what's it got?

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-17 10:11 PM | Reply

from a practical standpoint, with or without formal recognition Russia still occupies Crimea and no military on the planet is going to take action to reverse that.
#8 | Posted by BellRinger

You'd be surprised what could change with a revolution or two (See USSR).

But there's no reason for the US to give up what the Ukrainian people have not. Unless we are also Putin's Beach.

#10 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-17 10:30 PM | Reply

" You'd be surprised what could change with a revolution or two (See USSR)"

That took about 5 decades, a far more existential threat and for more land than an island.

I don't know if a truce is possible but I do believe it should be first priority given the status quo is the classic definition of insanity.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-17 10:54 PM | Reply

Didn't ------- already achieve peace in our time?

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-03-17 10:55 PM | Reply

That took about 5 decades
I've got the time. Let Russia suffer out in the cold for fifty years and see if it was worth it.

I don't know if a truce is possible but I do believe it should be first priority given the status quo is the classic definition of insanity.
#11 | Posted by BellRinger

That's for the people of Ukraine to decide. Since they were the ones that had their people murdered and their land stolen from them.

We shouldn't be giving up their land for them and handing out their natural resources to their invader.

Trump says Ukraine-Russia peace talks looking at dividing up certain assets'
www.cnn.com

#13 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-17 11:14 PM | Reply

"After he cedes Crimea to Vlad, and Donbas and more... he'll give up half of Ukraine's minerals to Russia, and keep the rest for TrumpCo.

If Vlad will throw in some of the blond girl pre-teens they've captured. Because that's just the kind of AC he is.

Posted by Corky at 2025-03-17 06:16 PM"

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-17 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" I've got the time. Let Russia suffer out in the cold for fifty years and see if it was worth it"

This isn't the Cold War. We are not fighting Communism as it pertains to Russia. The geopolitical situation is considerably different than it was during the 80's. Today, China is our biggest geopolitical threat. Circling back, what is the end-game? Do we continue to deplete our military assets and increase our deficits to the tune of 10's of billions per year to fight a proxy war with Russia with all of the blood and treasure sacrifice that goes with it? We have 3 choices: De-escalate (seek a truce), status quo forever (not working). Escalate.

As I see it. Status quo is insane. So, de-escalation should be pursued as aggressively as possible before the only other option of escalation, which could trigger a 3rd World War in a little over a century.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-17 11:47 PM | Reply

This isn't the Cold War.

If the US had joined the Warsaw Pact back in 1955 instead of 2025 there never would have been a Cold War.

#16 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-17 11:54 PM | Reply

" That's for the people of Ukraine to decide. Since they were the ones that had their people murdered and their land stolen from them."

Okay

"We shouldn't be giving up their land for them and handing out their natural resources to their invader."

If it's for Ukraine to decide then let them decide.

I broke up your two sentences for a reason. On the one hand you say they should be the ones to determine their fate.

In the other hand you say the US shouldn't have any say in outcome.

The only way to square that logic is for the US to completely pull out of this conflict. If we are going to spend tens of billions annually funding Ukraine's defense then we absolutely will play a role in hopefully brokering a truce.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-17 11:54 PM | Reply

As I see it. Status quo is insane.
#15 | Posted by BellRinger

Tens of billions for utterly destroying the second biggest military threat (compared to the ~$900 billion we spend for our military every single year)? Without risking a single American life? I think your math is not the same as mine.

There's no doubt which side Russia will take when we finally confront China. So the more their military is neutered by Ukraine, the better, IMHO.

And "peace in our time" appeasement is short-sighted. But I'm not bending over backwards trying to make excuses for my draft-dodging, russophile, putin-sucking, money-grubbing president.

#18 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-17 11:54 PM | Reply

The geopolitical landscape today is vastly different from the Cold War era, with China now identified as the United States' primary strategic rival. While Russia's invasion of Ukraine has drawn significant U.S. attention and resources, the broader concern lies in managing the Russia-China alliance, which has grown stronger amid Western sanctions and global realignments.

Strategic Context
China is the U.S.'s biggest geopolitical threat, and many argue that prolonged focus on Ukraine diverts critical resources from countering Beijing. Former President Trump has suggested a negotiated settlement to the Ukraine conflict, potentially involving a freeze along current frontlines, delayed NATO membership for Ukraine, and reduced U.S. military aid. This approach prioritizes de-escalation but risks legitimizing Russian territorial gains and weakening NATO unity.

Options Moving Forward
1. De-escalation: Negotiating a truce could end the immediate conflict but risks emboldening authoritarian regimes and undermining Western credibility.
2. Status Quo: Continuing military aid to Ukraine sustains a costly stalemate, draining U.S. resources and prolonging global instability.
3. Escalation: Increasing NATO involvement risks direct confrontation with Russia and potential nuclear escalation.

The war has reshaped global energy markets, strengthened Russia-China trade ties, and forced nations in the Global South to hedge between power blocs. Sanctions have hurt Russia but have not crippled its economy due to circumvention by allies like China and India.

De-escalation may align with U.S. interests in refocusing on China, but it carries significant risks of normalizing aggression and destabilizing Europe. The challenge lies in balancing support for Ukraine while maintaining strategic focus on countering China's rise"a delicate and increasingly urgent task for U.S. policymakers.

Citations:
[1]
geopoliticaleconomy.com
[2] www.youtube.com
[3] www.max-security.com
[4] www.russiamatters.org
[5] moderndiplomacy.eu
[6] www.themoscowtimes.com
[7] www.atlanticcouncil.org
[8] euromaidanpress.com

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-17 11:59 PM | Reply

urgent task for U.S. policymakers.

Are there such people anymore? US policy seems to be more decided on the whims of a lunatic President.

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-18 12:08 AM | Reply

@#11 ... I do believe it should be first priority given the status quo is the classic definition of insanity. ...

Please explain how your current alias thinks that the "classic definition of insanity" applies in the situation it is commenting upon.

thx.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-18 12:09 AM | Reply

@#19 ... Options Moving Forward
1. De-escalation: Negotiating a truce could end the immediate conflict but risks emboldening authoritarian regimes and undermining Western credibility. ...

that the path I see Pres trump taking, going forward.

But instead of "de-escalation" I'd offer the phrase, "forced Ukrainian surrender."

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#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-18 12:22 AM | Reply

" Tens of billions for utterly destroying the second biggest military threat (compared to the ~$900 billion we spend for our military every single year)? Without risking a single American life? I think your math is not the same as mine"

That's not what's happening. Tens of billions annually while Ukraine continues to tread water, at best. All the while China expands their military without expending their assets.

" And "peace in our time" appeasement is short-sighted. But I'm not bending over backwards trying to make excuses for my draft-dodging, russophile, putin-sucking, money-grubbing president.

#18 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2025-03-17 11:54 PM | FLAG: "

Was that really necessary? I thought we were having an honest, good-faith discussion.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-18 12:28 AM | Reply

"If we are going to spend tens of billions annually funding Ukraine's defense then we absolutely will play a role in hopefully brokering a truce."

Except what we're doing isn't brokering a truce. We're divvying up spoils from an invaded country.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-03-18 12:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" Except what we're doing isn't brokering a truce. We're divvying up spoils from an invaded country.

#25 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-03-18 12:28 AM | FLAG: "

Don't be naive. Historically, that is what a truce amounts to. The reason Ukraine might agree is that if material support is withdrawn the outcome for their country will likely be much worse.

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-18 12:31 AM | Reply

We're divvying up spoils from an invaded country.

Is there a Nobel Prize for pillaging?

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-18 12:31 AM | Reply

But instead of "de-escalation" I'd offer the phrase, "forced Ukrainian surrender."
#22 | Posted by LampLighter

Agreed.

#28 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-18 12:51 AM | Reply

The critique that current ceasefire negotiations risk becoming a de facto division of spoils"rather than a balanced peace agreement"reflects valid historical and strategic concerns. Here's a breakdown of the dynamics:

Key Issues in the Proposed Truce
1. Territorial Concessions
Russia demands recognition of its annexation of Crimea (2014) and four partially occupied regions (Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson)[2][4]. The U.S.-backed ceasefire proposal implicitly accepts freezing the conflict along current frontlines, leaving ~20% of Ukrainian territory under Russian control[1][6]. This mirrors historical precedents like the 1938 Munich Agreement, where territorial concessions were traded for temporary peace.

2. Ukraine's Sovereignty vs. Pragmatism
While Kyiv insists it will never recognize Russian claims or abandon NATO aspirations[2][3], its acceptance of the 30-day ceasefire reflects desperation to halt battlefield losses. With U.S. military aid potentially decreasing under Trump[1][5], Ukraine faces a grim calculus: concessions now may prevent worse terms later if Western support erodes further.

3. Asymmetric Enforcement Mechanisms
Putin's conditions"including bans on Ukrainian rearmament and NATO peacekeepers[4][5]"would lock in Russian advantages. Meanwhile, Moscow faces no comparable restrictions, allowing it to consolidate control over occupied zones and critical infrastructure like the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant[3][6].

Broader Implications
- Legitimizing Conquest: A deal granting Russia territorial gains without Ukrainian consent risks normalizing border changes by force, undermining the UN Charter's principles[2][8].
- NATO Cohesion: European allies like the UK and Poland have rejected terms that exclude Ukrainian NATO membership, fearing long-term security erosion[6][7].
- Global Precedent: Emerging powers like India and Trkiye are closely watching whether Western-backed rules-based order can withstand realist power politics[3][9].

Danforth's analogy holds merit: the proposed truce structurally favors Russia by codifying its territorial seizures and restricting Ukraine's defense capacity. While Kyiv's agreement may stem from immediate survival needs, the terms risk entrenching a volatile, unequal peace that rewards aggression. Without enforceable guarantees for Ukraine's sovereignty or security, this ceasefire risks becoming less a resolution than a temporary pause in a prolonged contest over spheres of influence.

Citations:
[1]
www.washingtonpost.com
[2] www.npr.org
[3] www.aljazeera.com
[4] www.aljazeera.com
[5] www.cnbc.com
[6] www.reuters.com
[7] www.bbc.com
[8] apnews.com
[9] www.reuters.com

#29 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-03-18 12:54 AM | Reply

@#24 ... Was that really necessary? ...

Was what really necessarily?

... I thought we were having an honest, good-faith discussion. ...

So why didn't your current alias indicate, at a minimum, which comment it was replying to?

#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-18 01:24 AM | Reply

@#26 ... Don't be naive. Historically, that is what a truce amounts to. ...

That's what surrender amounts to in this instance.


Pres Trump giving up major concessions (NATO membership and sovereign security assurances) before the negotiations had even started, all to appease Pres Putin, and without the consent or even acknowledgement of Pres Zelenskyy.

Pres Trump looks to be surrendering Ukraine to Pres Putin.

Pres Trump looks to be setting up a "peace" deal that allows Pres Putin to invade Ukraine again in the future.

At this point, it no longer seems to be a question.

The question that does remain, however, is why?



#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-18 01:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#29 ... Danforth's analogy holds merit: the proposed truce structurally favors Russia by codifying its territorial seizures and restricting Ukraine's defense capacity ...

Yup.

And then, I might add, how long before Pres Putin decides to invae and annex the rest of Ukraine, now that he knows he can?

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-03-18 01:33 AM | Reply

"Don't be naive."

Riiiiiiiight.

Remind me which parts of the Middle East Jimmy Carter claimed for brokering peace.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-03-18 02:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remind me which parts of the Middle East Jimmy Carter claimed for brokering peace.

I don't think he claimed any. Maybe that's why he got the Nobel Peace Prize?

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-18 02:48 AM | Reply

>" And "peace in our time" appeasement is short-sighted. But I'm not bending over backwards trying to make excuses for my draft-dodging, russophile, putin-sucking, money-grubbing president.
#18 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Was that really necessary? I thought we were having an honest, good-faith discussion.
#24 | Posted by BellRinger

Calling it how it is. No reason to pretend Trump is anything other than what we all know him to be. He's been on Team Putin for well over a decade.

This is all about him trying to harm Ukraine and help Putin.

#35 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-18 08:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Tens of billions annually while Ukraine continues to tread water, at best. All the while China expands their military without expending their assets."

Trump has no plans to stand up to China, so bringing up China is a red herring. Maybe if you said Canada or Greenland or Panama it would make more sense, geopolitically speaking.

Furthermore, the materiel we are sending to Ukraine is not sufficient to weaken our deterrence capability with China.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-18 09:30 AM | Reply

The tan suit-wearing CIC already gave Crimea away. TFOH

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-03-18 12:35 PM | Reply

The tan suit-wearing CIC already gave Crimea away. TFOH
#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You're late to the game. BlueWaffles already tried deflecting with that lie in #2.

#38 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-18 01:02 PM | Reply

"Don't be naive. Historically, that is what a truce amounts to. ..."

That's hilarious coming from a maroon who naively believes everything the Lyin King says.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-18 01:43 PM | Reply

The Dems still start many events by stating that America is stolen land as well. They think it makes them sound morally superior when it just makes normal people point and laugh at them.

#40 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-03-18 07:46 PM | Reply

normal people

#40 | POSTED BY SCOTTS

Know any?

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2025-03-18 07:51 PM | Reply

normal people have an IQ of 100.

#42 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-18 07:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"normal people have an IQ of 100.
#42 | Posted by Alexandrite"

So the average black person in the US is not normal? Kinda racist on your part.

www.jstor.org

#43 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-03-18 07:58 PM | Reply

Projection is such an ugly thing.

#44 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-18 08:00 PM | Reply

"Projection is such an ugly thing.
#44 | Posted by Alexandrite"

So you are walking back your racist statement?

#45 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-03-18 08:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I didn't make a racist statement. I called you stupid and you proved me correct.

Plus, you are racist.

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-18 08:06 PM | Reply

That jstor study doesn't say what Scotts thinks it does.
I've read the whole thing.

The conclusion it makes is that black IQ have been rising with respect to previous tested Black IQ, that any difference is due to education, testing, support, and environment. It ruled out completely anything related to ancestry. It also notes that the improvements have been since the 1960's (which I'm sure people can figure out what changed back then...)

So not so good on Scotts part.

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-18 08:17 PM | Reply

Scotts ran to crying racism faster than a Birkenstock wearing blue haired liberal. Over something that had nothing to do with race. Snowflake.

#48 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-18 08:19 PM | Reply

Plonked that turd Scotts already

#49 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-03-18 08:35 PM | Reply

"The conclusion it makes is that black IQ have been rising with respect to previous tested Black IQ
#47 | Posted by YAV"

And what number did it say the average was? Was it 100 making them 'normal' as you previously qualified? Nope. Which is why your statement is inherently racist. But, you do you - I am sure the Dems still have some white hoods in their closets from the Robert Byrd/Joe Biden days.

#50 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-03-18 09:01 PM | Reply

Don't you know?
You cited it.

Why are you bringing up what it was?
Do you hear what you're screaming out about yourself?

#51 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-18 09:58 PM | Reply

He's a racist with a google search engine.

#52 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-18 10:02 PM | Reply

Yav,

I can't say this on the applicable thread because comments are closed on that thread.

Just want to thank you for your last post on that thread (we were discussing the border). It was well articulated and polite.

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-18 10:05 PM | Reply

#53 - Bellringer - you are most welcome. You stuck with it and I was able to see where and how you came up with the perspective you had.

#54 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-18 10:17 PM | Reply

Sometimes we all need to work through the process to try and better understand each other. Your last post clarified everything for me and I now understand what you were originally trying to convey.

#55 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-03-18 10:36 PM | Reply

Russia has had what it considers vital interests in Crimea since before WW2 and that's why they occupied it in force way back when. Around the time Ukraine started getting NATO urges, with US encouragement. This just acknowledges the facts on the ground.
Getting into a war of attrition with Russia on their border was never going to end well for anyone but arms manufacturers.
Why anyone believes a US commitment is beyond me. Kurds, swamp Arabs, Hmong, and a few others in recent history. Use 'em and lose 'em when it quits being convenient.

#56 | Posted by morris at 2025-03-19 08:51 PM | Reply

Pretty sure Obama approved of Putin taking Crimea.

#57 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-19 08:53 PM | Reply

Pretty sure Obama approved of Putin taking Crimea.
#57 | Posted by oneironaut

Hey "Bernie Bro!" That's a repeat of BlueWaffles's lie at #2 and lfthndthrds @ #37.

You really need to stay more on the ball if you're going to earn your Russian troll kopek. Or is the theory that if you repeat the same lie often enough people will believe it?

#58 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-20 11:07 AM | Reply

He's never even seen the ball...

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-20 11:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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