" it is worth noting that we, along with most of the other authors, are liberals."

Liberals. Riiiiiiiight.

In the way 1Nut is a Chinese, "open borders" liberal.

"Attack the source"

Well, they're liberals. Isn't that your job?

" patients receiving unproven interventions"

I've known four people before, and after, transitioning.

To a person, they were tortured souls who never fit into their own skin.

Now, to a person, they're gloriously happy.

Some folks would deny them that chance. I, for one, don't feel like it's my decision.

" Do you honestly support chemical castration and surgical mutilation of minors?"

I believe you're sticking your nose between the child, the parent(s), and the doctors. In situations where you're only to the Dunning-Kruger stage.

This article suggests puberty-blockers should be revisited. Not much more.

" Is the concept of medical malpractice foreign to you?"

Not at all. I served on health committees and boards for two decades, and was a Trustee of a health plan.

Meanwhile, you're pretending to know better, without a single iota of education.

" We are talking about minors having life altering chemicals administered and procedures performed."

And rather than address the specific issue, your answer is ALWAYS to deny any-and-all treatments.

In the board meetings, we'd make you go sit at the little kid's table.

" Your answer always is to lop off 11 year old Jonny's dong "

If you're going to resort to lying, I'm done.

BTW, how many post-trans folks do you know in real life?

" Do you even take into consideration the newer evidence being produced "

Of course I do. That's why I said upthread puberty blockers should be revisited.

Do you ever take these folk's torture into consideration? If so, I've yet to see it.

But how about this: what if I call YOUR doctor, and dictate what medical care YOU can receive? Good idea, or not? And do I get bonus points because I don't inquire about any details?!?

"I'm differentiating minors and adults."

Is that why you lied about the minor?

" That's Snoofy level attempt at equivalence"

You're just embarrassed it's spot-on.

In one case, it's someone who isn't the doctor, patient, or guardian usurping their decisions.

And in the other case, it's someone who isn't the doctor, patient, or guardian usurping their decisions.

" Do you support or oppose any regulations on health care?"

I 100% oppose you sticking your nose between doctors and patients.

Clear enough for you?

" it's a good argument that unfortunately rests under the assumption that this is sound medicine and it is anything but. "

Based on what bona fides of yours?

FFS, all you have is an opinion, and it's that you belong between patient and doctor.

" assuming you are interested in actually discussing this"

Frankly, I'd rather discuss these subjects with folks who are actually knowledgeable about the subject.

You've already claimed 11-year-olds are getting their Johnson's cut off on a regular basis. Do you believe that's the default?!?

"Someone's gone full moron."

In his defense, it's a short jaunt.

"(Bellringer), Fact Checked into Oblivion again."

Bell, are you planning on retracting your false claim about Johnny, or have you no class?

"I don't see it, what did he say?"

Post #12. Then read #46.

Bell got caught lying ... again.

Redial's point is a valid one.

Where did you get the .3% number?

"more like .04%.

So, of the two numbers Bellringer was proffering, BOTH were wildly wrong.

Sounds about par for the course.

^Apologies: .04 should be .004.

Which means Bellringer was a magnitude off, on both numbers.

"Oh , so let's quibble about a decimal point"

You're joking, right? It turns out your numerical claim was WRONG by over 99%.

That's not a quibble, that's you getting caught lying, AGAIN.

"Go to Merriam-Webster and look up the word "lie"."

Why, will I find a picture of you next to it?

Pal, you're either a liar, or you're willing to post anything you want, true or not.

You don't do ANYWHERE NEAR the research needed for your claims, and on this thread alone you've been caught MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS multiple times.

Why do you get caught making false statements at such a higher rate than any other poster? You're also well-known for purposely leaving out the central part, like the fact parents were only designated "terrorists" AFTER THEY MADE TERRORISTIC THREATS. You've been corrected multiple times, but still repeat the misleading statement.

I'm using the word LIE as it's meant to be used. If you're uncomfortable with me telling the truth about you lying, talk to the guy in your mirror.

"And I will add - I firmly believe you do it deliberately"

You took the words right out of my mouth. Hell, you've admitted as much.

"You have never produced any material evidence to support your claim that parents were making death threats "

"Discarding decades of data that shows that these procedures create more negative than positive."

Jeez, ANOTHER LIE.

I'm done with you. Enjoy plonksville.

#89

Aw, look.

Bellringer, caught in YET ANOTHER lie.

Seems like a regular occurrence, doesn't it.

"Discarding decades of data that shows that these procedures create more negative than positive."
~Bellringer.

Meanwhile, from someone who has actually done the research ...

"The data DHS is relying on to justify the proposed treatment bans does not attempt to answer that question. In fact, DHS does not even collect the patient-level data that would make answering it possible."
~Johnny Hotsauce

One of these two is lying.

"Translation: Got caught in the proverbial wringer and is bailing out."

I, for one, certainly don't expect him to show up tomorrow and admit he lied about Johnny getting his dong sliced off at 11, or the fact he lied about the stats of those involved, or was ignorant of the actual numbers of kids born with "odd parts", or lied about data showing more negative outcomes than positive outcomes.

Nor will he apologize for claiming no one has produced evidence parents were only designated "terrorists" AFTER making mortal threats to elected officials, which IS THE ------- TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of terrorism.

In fact, I guarantee he'll make the bogus claim AGAIN.

And then, be AGHAST at being called a liar once more.

"such studies found an overall rate of 1 percent for regret after surgery for both transmasculine and transfeminine surgeries. This echoes other large cohorts which have found that only a tiny proportion of the people who have these surgeries eventually report regretting the procedure."

So 99% positive.

But Bellringer claims more negative outcomes than positive ones.

So which is it? Is Bellringer lying, or does he not understand 99% is waaaaay more than "less than half".

"I will prioritize this over other social media and news cites."

If you're just coming back to lie some more, skip it.

"neovayjayjay"

GREAT band name!

"Jeff hasn't watched a surgical transition"

But I'll bet he has all kinds of made-up data PROVING negative outcomes. Data BHS doesn't even have!!!

" My recollection is .3 based upon studies I've read."

Convenient, to have such a bad memory.

When combined with your Republican Math, you're damning yourself to the level of Vernon's Calculator.

" challenging me to place a number on how many transgenders I personally know."

Before and after.

How many?

"What about the two doctors who wrote the column who are writing it to express an opinion or suggest guidance on where the medical field should look or move when considering these cases?"

I have no problem with their knowledgeable report. I have lots of problems with untrained folks who believe it's their right to override the patient-doctor relationship.

"Completely irrelevant."

On the contrary, it was in response to a claim that only one percent of folks are happy with gender-affirming transitions. My personal life experiences tell a completely different story. I also believe knowing a trans person, before and after, helps with understanding.

Part of the joy of knowing them now, is knowing the torture they had to go through to get happy.

" Which brings us back to do you support ANY healthcare regulations? "

Of course I do; how ------- stupid are you?!?

The only reason I didn't answer that question last night was it's the dumbest ------- thing anybody could possibly ask me.

I spent 20 years on Health committees and finally as a Trustee for a health plan. Of course, I believe in regulations, dumfuq.

" Given that observation, why does MAGA seem to care about a mismatch of a person's mind with the person's body?"

They're upset they can't use the word --- any more, so they looked for a MORE vulnerable group.

A year ago it was the Haitians in Ohio; they were lying, and proud of it. Even when they got caught.

Remember when JD Vance said he would keep lying, if that's what it took for the news outlets to cover their fake stories?

That's the current soul of the Republican Party.

"Soul" "Republican Party" I'd not want to use those words in the same sentence."

But ... but ... but it's JD Vance!

The guy who referred to Trump as America's Hitler, and then joined his ticket.

Does that make him Eva Braun?

No prodding at all.

It simply was, and still remains, the dumbest ------- question you could've asked.

If the answer wasn't already obvious, you're just as ------- stupid as the question.

" Restating your anecdote doesn't *poof* them into the realm of evidence."

No ... just reality.

" They are real, yes. But meaningless as an argument."

Not against a claim transitioned people aren't happy. Especially from a poster who knows no trans folks.

Why aren't you taking my response in the context it was presented?

" I'm aware of the context and don't think it matters."

My response wasn't about data, nor was it meant to contradict anything except one solitary bogus claim.

It's the same thing I'd do if someone claimed it's impossible to invest in foreign markets and make money.

Even though my data set is only one.

" many states let you ride without a helmet and I kinda don't see the problem there, do you?"

Well, it's usually most apparent in the ER.

Riders without helmets cost the public indirectly, via insurance premium increases.

" But that's not a public-as-in-government cost to bear."

Distinction without a difference, especially when the money is still coming from my wallet.

You and I pay for the uninsured motorist. That's always been a fact.

" I assigned that as Danforth's preference. "

Which is a lie.

As JPW pointed out, it's literally no one's position.

If you had any class at all, you'd apologize.

" You just pull crap from your behind."

Not on this thread. All the crap from the behind was coming from the thread poster.

Hell, you even lied about ME lying: I absolutely posted video of parents threatening board members. The one I had linked to had a guy on the left side of the frame, and the board on the right side of the frame, a short distance from him. He said something to the effect of "I know where you live, and I have guns"

Not my fault if you never clicked on it. But don't lie and claim I never posted proof. As I pointed out, there are dozens like the one I posted.

Again, if you had any class, you'd owe me an apology.