Obama was the one who blew our chance to fix the healthcare system.

Fix how? Enacting single payer or universal? Untennable.

I'm sure the millions of people who ended up with insurance under the ACA, despite its flaws, would disagree with your position.

He abandoned populism so trump embraced it and won.

#239 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

I think it's a little simplistic but yes, to some degree it is true.

Major caveat to this is that the people who voted for Trump because of his populist statements (his embracing of populism was entirely cynical) were never going to vote for Obama anyway. Trump's cynical embracing of populism was well timed because the decades of GOP economic policy had finally caught up to the Repub middle class voters who supported it so long as those people bore the brunt of it.

It's a genuine mystery. Trump burns everyone not his family, and sometimes he even burns them.

It says a lot about a person's character that they would partake in this kind of administration thinking they're different.

Both due to the narcissism of such a thought but also to the apparent willingness to go to any depth to make it so.

#233 | Posted by Effeteposer

You keep asking the same stupid questions because you don't have an affirmative argument in favor of AOC beyond "because I want her to."

Trump is meaningless.

Who I would prefer is meaningless.

Your posts are the same logical fallacy as MAHA morons who make ignorant statements then act as if they're true until someone disproves them.

That's not how it works. You make the assertion, you provide the supporting info.

AOC has every right to run in the primary.

Never said otherwise.

The voters will determine if she is qualified or not.

No, the voters will determine whether they want her as a candidate or not. Her performance, if she were to win, will decide whether I'm wrong or right.

Saying that voting for her is a "race to the bottom" is absolute BS.

Happily choosing an unqualified candidate for their cult of personality because the Repubs did it too is 100% race to the bottom.

Look at the mayor of NY and what he has accomplished in a short time. Did he have the "accomplishments" you are harping on AOC for?

Another weak a&& whatabout. Is he POTUS? No. Try harder.

I believe AOC has an uphill climb simply because she is a woman but you cant even admit that this is her biggest challenge.

Yawn.

You keep harping on the accomplishments thing but I cannot find any example of the same worry about any man in the past that tossed their hat in the primary.

LOL another idiot reaching for the misogyny card because they have nothing while also demonstrating more misogyny in their very post than I have in any of mine.

Why are you still here vehemently against anything AOC? Nothing you say on this site is going to change whether she enters the primary and certainly wont change one voters mind on whether they like her or not. In fact just seeing that you are still here today so against her I am more for her and might actually go google her. Give it a rest.

#231 | Posted by justagirl_idaho

F*&^ off, idiot. If you're that intellectually weak in how you choose candidates I couldn't care less what stupidity your brain sharts into existence.

The problem with your assertion is that she does have qualifications. They just don't suit YOU. And thats ok.

Like what? I've been asking and nobody seems able to provide them beyond she got elected.

So, what are they? How has she shown leadership qualities of a grade sufficient to run the United States in a time when significant leadership will be necessary to start fixing the mess we're currently in?

Because IF, big IF, 2028 is a legit election, we will need another Dem POTUS on part with Obama (Housing crash) and Biden (COVID pandemic) to dig us out of yet another Repub created hole.

But according to today's standards in the real world as it exists today (not the one you wish would exist) she is very qualified for the job.

Very qualified, eh? How. Her accomplishments are shared by dozens of other Dem representatives, many with better legislative records and important experiences like committee assignments or committee leadership.

And much more qualified than the current occupant of the White House.

Another one racing to bottom with MAGA.

Sorry, that is NOT a compelling answer.

It's only your opinion that she is not. And we know all about opinions. Studies have shown that many others have one, too!
#229 | Posted by donnerboy

There are two tells that a person doesn't have a cogent argument to make but feels compelled to speak anyway - citing their position as common sense or whining about opinions.

No s*&^ it's an opinion.

You and the real world are miles apart.

Nope. Sorry.

Early polls at this point have been meaingless in the past.

She's currently only at 26% for generic Dem support in 2028 with Buttigieg and Newsom being close behind.

Wishes often fall apart quite quickly once they meet the harsh reality of an actual campaign.

#222 | Posted by Effeteposer

I don't have a preferred candidate yet nor is that an argument in favor of AOC.

What's funny is your making perfect the enemy of good.

Yeah, Obama wasn't the perfect Progressive y'all wanted him to be. I got bad news for you, sport, you're going to be disappointed every time with that childish expectation.

Like it or not, no POTUS will ever have the power to work entirely against the machine. The best you can hope for is one who can effectively work within it to still get things accomplished. Obama was that POTUS.

JPW
Good luck in your search for an ideal candidate that is pure enough for you to vote for.
When my choices are a shit sandwich and a turd salad I'll usually take the turd salad.
At least it comes with some leafy greens.

#221 | Posted by donnerboy

LOL pointing out one doesn't have the accomplishments or qualifications beyond making some people feel good is now a question of purity?

What's funny is that the purity nonsense is one of the major reasons Progressives are so unbearable. Look at Clown tearing Biden and Harris apart like a good little Trump puppet because he can't rationally explain why AOC is a good candidate for POTUS or what her accomplishments after getting elected to Congress have been.

Get some awareness before posting this ridiculous nonsense.

And I'm tired of voting for two forms of s*&^. Just as a poster here points out regularly, the repubs didn't have to pick Trump. He was chosen from a field of something like a dozen candidates.

Why would I jump on that race to the bottom and choose an unqualified candidate before we've even had primaries?

But it is an accomplishment.
Is it worth of higher office. Doesn't really seem to matter. It's not a promotion to go from the HoR to the senate.
It's all up to the will of the voters.
And again. It's all a popularity contest.

No, dumba&&, it's not. It's just the first step.

What's worthy of higher office is what you do with it. In what world is a promotion given simply for having your current job?

And yes, it is a step up to go from HoR to the Senate. That's understood as common knowledge to anyone who remotely pays attention to politics.

Her accomplishments are becoming a national figure, being a person who has proven to want to fight for the American working class.
Most of Congress aren't doing that, including the majority of democrats.

Which is why the majority of democrats aren't qualified to be POTUS either. You keep flailing hoping something sticks but it's not going to, champ. Because you're arguing an unwinnable argument in any sphere that adults dominate.

I know you want to discredit her because she hasn't lived up to your vague expectations.

Stating the obvious isn't discrediting her. It's sad how big of a misogynist you are without even realizing it.

But the fact is, you're an idiot who wants politicians to be like Biden, a do nothing loser who fell asleep for 4 years and left the country vulnerable to Trump and project 2025.

Biden was a good choice in 2020. He made a terrible decision to pick Harris as VP that all but made 2024 inevitable. A pick made to placate people like you.

Stagnation is death. Regression is what the Republicans want. Without progressives the Democrats have nothing, are nothing, accomplish nothing.

Progressives are a millstone around societies neck along with MAGA. You're proving that with every post on this thread.

Nope. You never have. Harris was worthless with zero accomplishments. Biden accomplished nothing his whole life other than being a career politician who wasn't very fond of black people at one time. Obama was an unknown.
You didn't care. You voted for all of them.

Perfect example right here. Holy s*&^ are you a f*&^ing idiot. Wow. Parroting Trumper talking points because your cult of personality isn't getting glowing reviews from the adults in the room.

Says the guy downplaying AOC for no other reason than she's a women.

That is entirely made up in your head because you lack the intellectual abilities to have this conversation. You're outclassed and it shows.

At least OneTrumper admitted he believes she won cause she has nice tits.
You're too much of a coward to say what you're really thinking.

Too bad you're such an intellectual light weight that you have to resort to this. How much spittle is on your monitor right now?

Too bad AOC isn't a man. Then you'd never question their accomplishments.

If that were true I'd have thought Trump qualified. I didn't.

But keep it up, White Knight. Watching your misogyny unfold is quite interesting.

Says the guy gatekeeping who can run for president.

LOL what's next? You going to point out my microaggressions?

You lost, sport. Take the L and go lick your wounds.

AOC has accomplished more with her life than you ever will, and that pisses you off.

#219 | Posted by ClownShack

Nope. But if that's what you have to tell yourself then have it.

BTW I'm not qualified for POTUS either.

Umm. Why is that a problem?
That also perfectly describes Der Leader Trumpy.

*facepalm*

Pedoringer has been told what to believe so he believes it.

He gave up any semblance of thought a long time ago.

I hope y'all reflect a little bit on this exchange and realize that you're now actively part of the problem Trump has forced into our body politic.

Whether you want to admit it or not, this thread is absolute proof that progressives, for all their self-righteous puling, are happily jumping onboard for the race to the bottom.

'How was Trump qualified? So why should our candidate be qualified? That's just an opinion!'

It's your Opinion. That's All it is.
#213 | Posted by Effeteposer

Clown is a tween girl who thinks it's about, like, who's like popular and all that...

And you're now trying to trot out a relativism argument that we can't possibly have standards for who is electable.

You people are f*&^ing absurd.

Really, you're going to hold the colossal mistake that is electing Donald Trump up as a reason why we should make the colossal mistake of electing an even less experienced cult of personality?

F*&^ing. Absurd.

Not sure if you missed it, but somebody accurately described our elections as a popularity contest.
AOC can win that popularity contest.
Harris couldn't even win the DNC primaries.

#210 | Posted by ClownShack

Yup. Tween age girl.

Sad you have to degrade our national politics to this point in order to push your preferred candidate forward.

Because, you know, she has no actual accomplishments to run on.

BTW you're also being full bore Trumper by assuming your little bubble is fully reflective of reality. It's not. She's not as widely liked as you believe once you get out into the real world.

Because people like AOC.
No one liked Harris except for the DNC elites who thought those "accomplishments" you listed for Harris meant something to voters.

#208 | Posted by ClownShack

You sound like a tween age girl.

But they liiiiiiiiike her!

You're admitting there's nothing but cult of personality, you know that right?

All of the posts you've wasted sum up to one simple line - I support her because of her cult of personality.

Oh, and accomplishments shouldn't be in quotes you misogynist. You're one step away from saying Harris slept her way up the top and AOC didn't and that's why AOC is better.

Obama was an unknown candidate on a national stage.
#197 | Posted by ClownShack

A US senator is an unknown nationally?

He was a dark horse candidate, but hardly an unknown.

Oh man, a white conservative guy won?
That's never happened before. No wonder you're impressed.

LOL of course, you have to skew it through the social wedge issue lens. Which is why you'll continue to lose.

The point is that he inherited Daddy's business, rode that to being elected to the house in his mid 30s and leveraged that to a Senate seat. He only went higher by being a ball licking Trump sycophant.

In other words, he's not qualified either for where he's gotten because...wait for it...getting elected to Congress isn't an accomplishment worthy of higher office.

Let's see you do it, sport.
Hit me up when you're giving your victory speech, champ.

You're such a pathetic stooge. This is the basest, most stupid argument you could swing for. You'd think with actual accomplishments she'd be an easy sell.

The rest of your post is you kicking and flailing, setting prerequisites for AOC you've never expected from any prior presidential candidate.

I've never expected POTUS candidates to be qualified?

LOL nice strawman idiot.

Is it misogyny, stupidity, hate?
I don't care.

And here we go. It'Z MySoGyNy!!!!

The only mysogynist here is you and the other White Knights trying to take it easy on her because she's a woman.

But you sure are making yourself look like an idiot.

Right. Says the numbnuts who's wasted how many posts simping for a politician for no other reason than his confirmation bias and cult of personality gullibility.

Here's a suggestion, tiger. When you and BullBringer post the same nonsense, it's time to reevaluate your position.

#195 | Posted by ClownShack

Here's a suggestion, try having enough intellectual chops to form opinions on your own instead of relying on those around you to confirm them.

So you're saying she shouldn't run? If she's really as unqualified as you think, then she'll flame out in the primaries.

#194 | Posted by sentinel

If I was advising her, I wouldn't suggest running at this point, no.

She's a lightning rod with an easily demonstrated lack of qualifications.

I would advise to start leveraging existing connections or building new ones to move up the ladder. A cabinet position. Backing for a Senate run (she's apparently already doing that).

Harris was an experienced lawyer (DA), California AG, California senator and VP and she STILL wasn't able to ride the anti-Trump wave to the White House. Why would AOC with even less on her resume?

BTW finally a good point about the primaries. She is, of course, welcome to run in them. I'll just laugh when she "flames out" and the immediate cries of misogyny arise from her supporters.

What were Trump's Accomplishments?
He was never a politician, he Bankrupted Numerous Businesses.
He declared that he would "Be a Dictator from Day One" when he ran in 2024.
He Won.
SO What Qualifies a Candidate?
Can you at least explain that?
Or are you just irrationally anti AOC?

#193 | Posted by Effeteposer

More nonsense whataboutism.

I don't support Trump.

Try again.

The GOP has been selling out the US in the name of "capitalism" my entire adult life.

What's happening now was an inevitable end to their decades long policies of profit at any cost.

Democrats want to go back to separate drinking fountains.

#10 | Posted by BellRinger

Your lack of self-awareness is right on point, as usual.

Like China needs any of these people.

They're just waiting for the collapse so they can buy up the pieces for pennies on the dollar and solidify their position as the world's preeminent power.

Stupid people building a stupid society one stupid thing at a time.

#2 | Posted by Zed

Problem is they'll never admit they're the bottom of the barrel and they'll never admit what they're building (or destroying I should say) is trash. They're pot committed now and will cling to their Frankenstein monster like a child.

It's been kind of funny watching people turn on Trump.

O'Keefe.

Alex Jones.

Joe Rogan.

People who were influential in building his brand leaving because they got burned and somehow didn't expect it.

Your post is basically saying AOC should run because people from the past have lost.

Still no actual accomplishments explained.

BTW I don't have to have the winning ticket in my pocket to say AOC isn't POTUS material. That's not how this works.

I would also be making big $$$ informing the DNC if I had that kind of crystal ball.

Anyone who's republican should stop complaining. This is what your ideology looks like in practice.

There is no world in where your ideology only applies to those you've been told to hate. The "others" you've been assured are the root of all your problems.

You're a fool if you ever thought that was remotely possible.

If they're admitting 3.8%, it must be over 5% at this point.

#12 | Posted by Danforth

5% feels more likely.

I've been relatively resilient to the rises in grocery prices up until this point but some of the new prices I'm seeing have me experiencing sticker shock now.

Garlic was $6.99/lb. I feel like it was only $4.99/lb a few weeks ago when I bought it last.

Bell peppers are now $1.49 for green and $1.99 for red/orange/yellow. Used to be $0.89 for green and $1.39 for red/orange/yellow.

Celery at Aldi used to be $2.49 per bunch, this time it was $2.99 per bunch but was smaller, bright green, hard and immature. Lower quality product for more money.

A quart of milk was $3.29.

Makes me thankful we have two freezers full of protein, so we've only been buying produce lately. I don't even want to see the prices of chicken and pork. I've stopped looking at beef.

Greedy Bastards... yes. Morons... probably not.

#8 | Posted by Whatsleft

The greatest myth is that CEOs or even bithnithmen broadly are in some way smart or competent.

In my experience, they tend to be ruthless self-promoters, shameless glory hounds and exquisite opportunists.

The overwhelming conclusion of my time in private sector after I left academia is that anyone who blathers on that business does it best are full of s*&^. Private business has been the only place in my experience where missing your goal then redefining the metrics or the goal itself is still met with accolades (at a certain level, of course, not for the underlings doing the actual work).

Good. Just in time for the midterms. Racially segregated maps flies in the face of the Voting Rights Act.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger

STFU idiot.

Returning to the racist south flies in the face of the Voting Rights Act.

And Roberts has the gall to whine that people think he's a partisan s*&^bag...

I think that's attributable to the fact he's running for office.

I disagree. People listen to billionaires with far more attention and trust than they would a normal person, even if that person is actually an expert or experienced in the subject matter.

Look at Bill Gates. People hold him up as an expert in infectious diseases and vaccines all of the time because of his advocacy for international vaccine programs.

I'm glad he does it, but what qualifications does he have? Why shouldn't the advisors he surely has working for his Foundation be the ones speaking as subject matter experts?

For this standard to materially exist, you need to be able to name some things that other, better, more effective Representatives have accomplished.
Who outshines AOC? Give me the run-down.

You're just flipping the question and acting as if that's making a point.

It's hilarious watching y'all flail so much to defend AOC for no other reason than cult of personality.

You're as invested as Trumpers and are just as irrational.

A cult of personality isn't necessarily a bad thing. Washington and Lincoln both had cults of personality.

Oh please. This is like saying dropping out of college isn't a bad thing because Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.

You're going to have to do better than that.

The thing is, if a candidate is going to run a campaign like that, they need to go all in and sustain it. If they're doing it just because they saw it worked for Trump (or whoever) and decided to try to copy it, it won't work.

#175 | Posted by sentinel

The thing is is it's a great way to get a incompetent, unqualified person POTUS as we are currently experiencing.

AOC is 36 years old. She entered Congress at 29 becoming the youngest woman to win a federal election.

So? Mark Wayne Mullen got elected to Congress. Getting elected to Congress isn't much of an accomplishment, sport.

You'll need a whole lot more than that for POTUS.

In seven years she's become a leading voice in the Democratic Party and is helping shape its future.

Nonsense. Maybe for you and people in your bubble, but not beyond that. "Leading voice" LOL

You know why I know this is BS? Look at her committee assignments.

From Wiki:

Committee assignments
Committee on Energy and Commerce
Past committee assignments

Committee on Oversight and Accountability[272] (Vice Ranking Member, 2023"25) (2019"2025)
Subcommittee on Health Care and Financial Services
Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs
Committee on Financial Services (2019"2023)
Subcommittee on National Security, Illicit Finance and International Financial Institutions (2021"2023)
Subcommittee on Consumer Protection and Financial Institutions (2019"2021)
Committee on Natural Resources (2023"2025)
Subcommittee on Energy and Mineral Resources (Ranking Member, 2023"25)

She's never held leadership in a committee, nor has she ever been selected to serve in any of the high power, influential committees like Ways and Means or Appropriations.

Kind of odd for the Voice of the Democratic Party, isn't it?

If you don't think that's an accomplishment let's see your resume.

All this bluster and you STILL haven't posted her accomplishments.

Because. She. Doesn't. Have. Any. Of. Substance.

She is not POTUS level material. Period.