Monday, November 04, 2024

We've Been Underestimating the Scale of Women's Fury

Michelle Goldberg: Should Kamala Harris win this election, the [Iowa] poll will be part of the story of her victory. The reason for Selzer's anomalous finding is simple: women. If it's anywhere near accurate, it suggests that conventional political wisdom has been seriously underrating the scale of women's fury over abortion bans and their revulsion at Trump's cartoonishly macho campaign.

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Women's anger has, of course, been a catalytic force in American politics since the insult of Trump's election in 2016. It drove the Women's March and the #MeToo movement, and persuaded record numbers of Democratic women to run for office in recent cycles. Female rage was rekindled when, thanks to Trump's Supreme Court picks, we lost Roe v. Wade and women in many conservative states were stripped of control over their reproductive lives. The backlash to Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, the case that ended Roe, is probably why the red wave that Republicans were expecting in 2022 never materialized. It helped Democrats win important state-level victories last year, including the re-election of Gov. Andy Beshear of Kentucky.

Some conservative men have assumed that women's outrage would fade. "As we settle back into what feels like a status quo," the Republican pollster Patrick Ruffini told NPR last year, it will be "tougher to move people and to message on" abortion. Others on the right decided to lean into the gender gap, hoping to galvanize disaffected young men, including men of color, to make up for their erosion among women. "For every Karen we lose, there's a Julio and a Jamal ready to sign up for the MAGA movement," Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida told the right-wing network Newsmax this year.

Maybe Trump's hyper-patriarchal approach will work. Among Republicans, however, you can already see a dawning suspicion that the male voters they're counting on to replace conscientious suburban women may not be wholly reliable. "The core plot of the Barbie movie was distracting men so they wouldn't vote," Gaetz wrote on X on Monday. "Don't make the Barbie movie come true."

I simply cannot give Danforth enough credit for calling this all the way back in 2022, I believe. And it's equally baffling why men refused to see that denying women equal rights to their own personal autonomy would cause a boomerang effect heretofore unseen in our elective politics. Every single one of us would not be here if not for the mother who birthed us into this world. Maybe we owe them the respect due to make their own decisions regarding their own lives and health without the input of interlopers who aren't them.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-04 05:39 PM

She knows what she's doing because she's been successful in every one of her election campaigns.

[W]hile Ms. Harris has raised more than $1 billion for her presidential bid, which has afforded her a formidable war chest, campaign officials say she has made a point to continue making stops at barber shops, music stores and bookshops.

But in a fast-paced national campaign, Ms. Harris has been better known this time around for her big, high-profile rallies. After most rallies, she goes and walks a rope line, often beelining for young children. After town-hall events, she has gone over to voters who asked her a tough question to talk face to face.

"She has been clear that she needs to look people in the eye, and not just talk about the stakes but talk about aspirations, in their own space," said Michael Tyler, the communications director for Ms. Harris's campaign. "It's part and parcel for how she's campaigned throughout her career."

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-04 06:01 PM

. ... We've Been Underestimating the Scale of Women's Fury ...

I dunno.

There's been a person here who has highlighted that past underestimation.

But the question that lingers is ...

Has recent polling compensated?


And, as a sub-question ...

Are women telling the pollsters how they actually want to vote, or what they may have to say with their husbands present as the pollster asks the questions?

In a couple three days, we will know a lot more about this.



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-04 08:03 PM

"...conventional political wisdom has been seriously underrating the scale of women's fury over abortion bans and their revulsion at Trump..."

NEVER underestimate the power of pissed-off women.

"I simply cannot give Danforth enough credit for calling this all the way back in 2022"

Thanks, Tony. I've been telling EVERYONE the polls have been off since Dobbs, calming a lot of nerves. My guess was confirmed by J. Ann Selzer: pollsters were using the last election's modeling, which didn't account for new voters or PO'd women.

As was pointed out by Jonathan Lemire this morning, one hugely breaking sector, educated women over 65, aren't just in Iowa. And now, Republicans will be sweating KANSAS. Why? The folks who got involved for the women's rights vote are staying involved. We might see IN turn blue by the end of the night.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-04 08:05 PM

Has recent polling compensated?

No. And they've overcorrected for Trump voters they fear missing after doing so in 2016 and 2020.

We might see IN turn blue by the end of the night.

I'm here and I'm not feeling that vibe - but I admit, I might be missing it. There's a former female Republican state school superintendent running for governor as a Democrat and the DNSC has been pouring money into her campaign over the last weeks as GOP tv commercials try to knock her for having supported Hillary and Bidenomics. We've got multiple battery plants going up because of IRA in dead red counties and those voters know the reason why. And knocking Hillary again when she was right about the threat of Trump leading to Roe going down? They're not reading the room, are they?

And another woman is running against the idiot AG Todd Rokita who caused all the problems for Dr. Bernard that treated the 10 year old Ohio rape victim. Nobody likes this clown, so I hope he goes too.

But Roevember is real, the numbers don't lie. And a significant number of GOP men will also vote to support the women in their lives without telling their MAGA bros. It's never over till it's over, but it's hard not to feel positive heading to bed tonight.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-04 08:56 PM

It's in our hands, ladies. "Tell me, girls, What are we gonna do?" Let's do this for previous generations of American women & girls, for ourselves and for future generations of American women & girls. We got this--if we vote, we win!:

Introducing "American Girl" --a powerful anthem for women as we stand together to reclaim our freedoms at the ballot box!

Our voices matter. It's time to defeat Trump & MAGA extremism!

#AmericanGirl #WeWontGoBack

x.com

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 08:59 PM

@#5 ... No. And they've overcorrected for Trump voters they fear missing after doing so in 2016 and 2020. ...

imo, too soon to say that opinion.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-04 08:59 PM

@#6 ... Introducing "American Girl" --a powerful anthem for women ...

Yeah, I'm not there yet.

When I pop "American Girl" into my search engine of choice, I see articles about dolls.

Not a one about what you say.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-04 09:03 PM

imo, too soon to say that opinion.
#7 | Posted by LampLighter

Too soon, but if that Selzer Iowa poll is a harbinger of things to come as it was in 2016 and 2020, then we have good reason to hope.

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 09:04 PM

Yeah, I'm not there yet.
When I pop "American Girl" into my search engine of choice, I see articles about dolls.
Not a one about what you say.
#8 | Posted by LampLighter

It's a new ad from the Seneca Project, which was just released a few days ago.

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 09:07 PM

Here's there website:

Galvanize Women.
Save Democracy.
It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or Republican, the assault on women's rights transcends party lines. The threat is immediate and ongoing.

www.senecaproject.us

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 09:11 PM

there = their

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 09:11 PM

@#9 ... Too soon, but if that Selzer Iowa poll is a harbinger of things to come ...

I agree that the Iowa poll from a pollster that fmr Pres Trump has lauded ...

Donald Trump celebrates Iowa Poll lead as he rallies for caucus support (2023)
iowacapitaldispatch.com

Yeah, so let's wait until we see the ballot results.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-04 09:15 PM

@#11 ... It's a new ad from the Seneca Project, ...

So not yet mainstream?

And fwiw...

Galvanize Women. Save Democracy
www.senecaproject.us

... It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or Republican, the assault on women's rights transcends party lines. The threat is immediate and ongoing. ...

Yeah I do not necessarily disagree with what that site espouses.

I still remain to be convinced that the polls are wrong.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-04 09:21 PM

My daughter will be graduating college this year. I, like most fathers, could not be prouder. She is a bright, hardworking, confident woman just starting her life.

I am devoted to her.

I raised her to believe in herself and that I will, until my last breath, have her back in whatever she does.

I love my daughter unconditionally.

I believe my daughter can, and will, achieve whatever she sets her mind to.

My daughter will have every option open to her that is within my power to provide.

And if my daughter needs to make a reproductive choice, it will be hers and I will be there to support her no matter what she chooses.

I cannot imagine how any father could think differently about their daughter. The child they held at their birth, that they taught to walk and talk, that gave them hugs and kisses before bedtime, that simply existed. There is a special bond between a father and daughter.

I have zero respect for any father who has held their infant daughter who would condemn that child to a future without choice.

Your chief duty is to protect them. And that includes protecting them from zealots who view them as less than men.

I have no respect for any father who does not.

And may you NEVER have to face losing your daughter to laws that prevent her from having basic healthcare.

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-04 09:24 PM

Yeah, so let's wait until we see the ballot results.

We're already seeing ballot results. The Iowa poll is based on votes already placed as well as intentions. Of those women over 65 who've already voted, Harris is getting 2 - 1, and leads Trump when combined with men. And there's a 28 point gap with independent women and a 20 point gap with women overall.

+65 men are +2 towards Harris and Trump's overall advantage with men fell from 27 to 14.

www.desmoinesregister.com

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-04 09:27 PM

Perspective:

How America's First Woman Vice President Stepped Up

Win or lose, I think by the time exit polls come in this week, there will be real cause to question the poll-driven narrative we've been fed since February. Indeed, that's already happening as Black and Hispanic and young voters are moving to Kamala Harris in recent polls, which is precisely what people skeptical of early polls said would happen months ago.

All this time, pollsters kept contorting their polls for fear of missing Trump voters.

Until Ann Selzer came along and told us what pollsters should have recognized from the start: Women vote. And this year, women will vote for a woman to be the first woman President.

Symbolically, Kamala Harris went to East Lansing last night and refused to even speak of Donald Trump.

Turn the page.

This thing is not over. Harris' thousands of volunteers have to get out every vote tomorrow. A flood of bros might come to the polls tomorrow and make that effort meaningless. Harris lawyers have to fight to count every vote " and keep fighting all the way to January if Trump attempts to cheat again.

This thing is not over.

But holy hell, Kamala Harris and her entire team stepped up.

www.emptywheel.net

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 09:52 PM

@#16 .. The Iowa poll is based on votes already placed as well as intentions. ...

Please ....

Take a step back, and breath deeply.

The article you cite does not appear to show the election results I asked for.

I did not see it reporting on the early voting results. (please correct me if I misread the article)

It shows poll results.

The actual election results may be a day or two away ...


At that point, let's return to this discussion.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-04 10:01 PM

#15 | Posted by truthhurts

For you:

x.com

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 10:13 PM

I did not see it reporting on the early voting results. (please correct me if I misread the article)

You did misread it or you missed this:

The poll of 808 likely Iowa voters, which include those who have already voted as well as those who say they definitely plan to vote, was conducted by Selzer & Co. from Oct. 28-31. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.
I wouldn't have said what I did if I hadn't read it myself. And if you're further interested, there was a link in the story to the pollster's methodology in compiling the information.

www.desmoinesregister.com

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-04 10:39 PM

Barack Obama
@BarackObama

If you're still on the fence about voting in this election, think about what really matters--about the values we were taught, the kind of country we want to be, and how this is a moment when your vote really does count.

Your vote could determine the fate of our republic--the world that our children and grandchildren will inherit. It's an awesome responsibility. But what an extraordinary privilege it is to live in a democracy that gives each of us the opportunity to make our voices heard.

x.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 10:42 PM

Just a reminder that while DonOLD outsourced his ground game to Leon, Democrats are leaving it all on the field, video at link:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC

Every block.
Every door.
Every minute.
Until we win.

Hello from Reading, PA!

x.com

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 10:47 PM

Like I said, video at link:

Gabrielle Giffords
@GabbyGiffords

After I was shot, I had to relearn how to talk one word at a time.

Today, I still struggle to speak but I have not lost my voice"and I'm using it to urge all Americans to vote for @KamalaHarris and @Tim_Walz tomorrow.

x.com

Mr. I Alone Can Fix It is a fool. I pray to God that after this election is over the malignant narcissist who has been trying to destroy this country will be given the rebuke by the American people he so richly deserves. Time will tell.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 10:52 PM

Receipts at link:

Shannon Watts
@shannonrwatts
This is their closing argument in the final days of the campaign: Women are whores and trash who should be beaten and jailed.

These men HATE women.

x.com

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-05 12:03 AM

24

"I'm sorry....I don't click on those links.."

-The current alias Lamplighter

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 12:06 AM

@#20 ... You did misread it or you missed this: ...

I went to that site.

When I was on that page, I searched for 808.

Nothing appeared.

Maybe this is the link you intended?
www.desmoinesregister.com

... The poll of 808 likely Iowa voters, which include those who have already voted as well as those who say they definitely plan to vote, was conducted by Selzer & Co. from Oct. 28-31. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points. ...

Yeah, still looks to me like projecting from early polling


#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-05 12:18 AM

@#25 ... "I'm sorry....I don't click on those links.." ...

Does your current alias click on random links?

Especially now, random x.com links?


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-05 12:19 AM

Maybe this is the link you intended?

That's the same link I posted in #16 where you stated you couldn't find the information. The blockquoted paragraph in #20 was from that same link, not from the one under the #20 post.

I offered you an additional link that outlined the polling methodology underneath my response. Sorry if I confused you.

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-05 12:23 AM

Women 65 and over remember life before Roe and now what it's like for their daughters and granddaughters after Dobbs.

They are P1SSED!

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-11-05 12:27 AM

Trump's final 2024 rally:

PIC: Mostly empty 9000 seat arena in Reading, PA while Trump speaks

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-11-05 12:47 AM

@#28 ... Sorry if I confused you. ...

Thanks for the follow-up.

Yeah, I blew it, confusing the #16 link with the #20 link.

Apologies.


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-05 01:02 AM

Yep - women sure love to be whores and then kill their babies.

More important to them than averting WW3.

#32 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-05 03:33 AM

More important to them than averting WW3.

Posted by deadman at 2024-11-05 03:33 AM | Reply

Deadhead is such a -----.

#33 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-11-05 07:03 AM

PIC: Mostly empty 9000 seat arena in Reading, PA while Trump speaks

Well his material hasn't changed since 2020 so...

#34 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-11-05 07:04 AM

"Deadhead is such a -----.
#33 | Posted by Nixon"

Because ---------- want WW3? Well, I guess the liberal message would change to this when you invite in Liz Cheney.

#35 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-05 07:18 AM

I agree with Deadbrain, the only good thing about TFG is that he was too much of a pus...y to start a war.

#36 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-11-05 07:33 AM

"the only good thing about TFG is that he was too much of a pus...y to start a war.
#36 | Posted by TFDNihilist"

Well, there is this:

"A working paper by the National Bureau of Economics found that between 1480 and 1913, European queens were 27% more likely to wage war than kings."

As this mentions queens specifically, Dems are double screwed with the gays and women running their party. Yep, that is why the Dems are now the war party.

#37 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-05 07:40 AM

They always have been. The thing is they win a lot more wars than the Pubs.

#38 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-11-05 08:12 AM

I think Lincoln was the last Republican to win a war.

#39 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-11-05 08:13 AM

"I think Lincoln was the last Republican to win a war.
#39 | Posted by TFDNihilist"

Nah, that would be Trump and ISIS.

#40 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-05 08:21 AM

Nah, that would be Trump and ISIS.

Maybe somebody should tell ISIS that. Our State Department certainly doesn't think they're defeated:

The Islamic State Five Years Later: Persistent Threats, U.S. Options Remarks

March 21, 2024

We continue to see a real threat in Iraq and Syria, where ISIS at one point controlled a region with a population of approximately ten million people, and we have seen the emergence of ISIS affiliates - the so-called ISIS Khorasan inside Afghanistan, which poses a clear external threat " and in Sub-Saharan Africa where several ISIS affiliates have emerged.

the so-called ISIS Khorasan inside Afghanistan

The suicide bomber who killed our Marines in Kabul was an ISIS-K member. Since Trump defeated ISIS, perhaps we dreamed the whole thing per your illogic.

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-05 08:47 AM

"Since Trump defeated ISIS, perhaps we dreamed the whole thing per your illogic.
#41 | Posted by tonyroma"

By that logic, we didn't defeat the Nazis because they are still fighting in Ukraine. It is pretty stupid logic even for you.

#42 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-05 08:59 AM

It is pretty stupid logic even for you.

And even MORE stupid for you. The Nazis we defeated in WWII were GERMANS and the GERMAN ARMY. Nazis today only use the name for political purposes, they do not comprise a singular fighting force and they certainly aren't trying to exterminate Jews from the world as Hitler's Nazis did.

ISIS today is still the same people we've been fighting and killing for decades. They've been defeated in battles, but they still exist under the same structures they always have.

Keep proving you're a moron. I'm having fun toying with you.

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-05 09:13 AM

I always expected there to be fury from younger women but the crosstabs show that VPOTUS has a significant lead among seniors, especially senior women, but also a slight lead among senior men, previously part of Dotard's base. The fury of women who already fought and won this fight once is righteous and something to behold. Will she win Iowa? Maybe, but this poll is instructive for PA especially but also MI, and WI because they have similar white populations that pollsters have completely screwed up. If this poll can be extrapolated, then Harris is up four to five points in each blue wall state, as pollsters are missing the movement of the senior vote. And what does that mean for closer states like FL and TX? I now expect Rich Scott to lose his job, as he is in favor of FL's abortion ban, and abortion is on the ballot.

#44 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-11-05 09:18 AM

On topic:

MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace said JD Vance messed up in a major way when he insulted Vice President Kamala Harris as "trash" on the eve of Election Day.

Speaking at a campaign rally in Atlanta, Georgia, on Monday, the Republican vice presidential nominee said, "In two days, we're going to take out the trash in Washington, D.C., and the trash's name is Kamala Harris."

On MSNBC soon afterwards, Wallace watched the clip three times in a row.

"Oh my God," she said after the first time. "Can I see that again?"

"Forgive me. One more time," she said after the next.

After watching it three times, she told viewers, "In my humble view, lights are out."

"Women. You can disagree with us; we've actually learned to take it for our whole careers all the time in every form, but you call us trash?" she continued. "Oh, oh, oh. You just effed up in a way that I've never seen in my political life - and I worked for Sarah Palin."

www.huffpost.com

Deadman style outreach. /s

#45 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-05 09:19 AM

"ISIS today is still the same people we've been fighting and killing for decades.
#43 | Posted by tonyroma"

Must be why your own article calls them "ISIS affiliates"...sorta like neo-nazis.

#46 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-05 09:19 AM

"On MSNBC soon afterwards, Wallace watched the clip three times in a row."

If the clip was viewed 3 times on MSNBC than a total of about 10 cat ladies and 5 gay dudes saw it.

#47 | Posted by deadman at 2024-11-05 09:20 AM

Deadman?

First there was this ...

Do you honestly think something went wrong on the server side to repost 1000+ times by Hans or was he sitting in his basement continuously hitting the publish comment button with ever growing incel rage until it finally posted 1000+ times? My bet is that someone's mom didn't bring the pizza rolls in time and Hans was rage hitting submit while likely screaming the n-word at the top of his lungs. Thankfully, he likely resides in a windowless basement so no one was exposed to his racial abuse.

#18 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-17 08:23 PM

...and then there was this...
#18 | Posted by: deadman | Flag: Serious level

Interestingly enough, this is post #18.

"Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

#48 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 09:24 AM

...sorta like neo-nazis.

Ah, no, hence the term NEO moron.

You're really not too bright, are you? Even idiots understand that contemporary 'affiliates' are aligned in ways groups that existed in different eras without any connective thread through time aren't.

ISIS has always been based on decentralization as a means to protect its members fighting against a common enemy, while original Nazism was completely centralized around Adolph Hitler and the German military.

Again, moronic. You're proving your original point is meaningless. ISIS is more a counter-ideal against traditional western imperialism and dominance of weaker cultures through a perverted use of Islam. Ideals cannot be defeated as long as people are willing to hold them and fight for them even in the shadows unlike Nazis who're always willing to identify themselves as a part of their existence.

#49 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-05 09:30 AM

My wife of fifty-plus years has transitioned from derepressed and sad to white-hot fury at the prospect of President Tangerine Palpatine. We BOTH voted by mail for Democrats, up and down the ballot. We also voted against amending the State Constitution.

#50 | Posted by john47 at 2024-11-05 10:23 AM

Tangerine Palpatine

Hey... I like that one!

#51 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-05 10:25 AM

Only single people underestimate woman's fury.

This is really a sexist thread btw.

#52 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-05 10:51 AM

"I still remain to be convinced that the polls are wrong."

I'll help: try to find one RIGHT since Dobbs.

First poll I've seen account for Dobbs is the new Iowa shocker.

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-05 11:28 AM

"Only single people underestimate woman's fury."

So all the incels who are stupidly voting for Trumpy.

Got it.

BTW- single men learn very quickly about the wrath of a woman scorned. Or they get to stay single forever. Unless they are bicurious. Then they learn about another kind of fury.

Or you could be rich and famous. Of course. And then the women happily just let them grab them by the you-know-what.

Or so I am told.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 11:30 AM

Well, when the Scotus struck down women's rights to reproductive freedom, EBERLE confidently proclaimed 'by the time election comes around, Women will not pay all that much attention to the abortion thingy' or some such above-it-all, patrician patriarchal nonsense.

Quite sure of that, he was.

Nostradumbass whiffs again.

#55 | Posted by Wardog at 2024-11-05 01:09 PM

55

If you're quite sure of that then look to that for the reason why you live with your sister/girlfriend in a trailer.

I said we'll see. I simply didn't commit to being 100% sure women would pay that much attention come election day when abortion wasn't specifically on the ballot.

I sincerely hope the turnout is as strong as hoped for.

It will force some reasonable compromise on this issue....it's the only thing that will lead to a reasonable law regarding abortion rights everyone can live with.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 01:25 PM

We've also been underestimating the toxic masculinity of white male Trump voters.

#57 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-11-05 02:24 PM

"...when abortion wasn't specifically on the ballot."

Anyone paying attention knows it's on the ballot. That happened the day after SCOTUS refused to "stay" the Texas Bounty Bill.

It's also why the longtime (R) Congressional State seat in Alabama went to a (D) woman who campaigned on ONE issue.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-05 02:34 PM

"Anyone paying attention.."

Yeah, you can assign all kinds of rational behavior to that group.

It's just not big enough......

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 02:36 PM

-That happened the day after SCOTUS refused to "stay" the Texas Bounty Bill.

There are MILLIONS of women voting today that don't know ---- about that.

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 02:37 PM

#56

The issue is, barring a constitutional amendment, the federal government deciding it via passing bills, it will become a neverending partisan problem/talking point.

Dems win abortion at 10months
Repubs win abortion isn't allowed in any form

The country is ripped at the seams

No one wins

SCOTUS screwed the pooch.

#61 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-05 03:08 PM

#54 kind of a sexist comment.

Single people can't relate in any form of what anger can look like in a committed relationship that has spawned decades.

Here's a hint donnerbot, it's always there, sub surface and can rise up out of the floor and swallow you whole.

#62 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-05 03:20 PM

#60
Link please.

#63 | Posted by Wardog at 2024-11-05 04:06 PM

Well, this was wrong too.

#64 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-06 06:47 AM

It seems that the most under-polled group of voters are hispanic males.

#65 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-06 07:36 AM

Looks like abortion has become kind of like Vietnam. People who don't have any skin in the game simply don't care if you can die from needing one.

#66 | Posted by Tor at 2024-11-06 11:26 AM

This aged poorly.

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-06 12:55 PM

It really did JPW.

#68 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-11-06 03:25 PM

I mean....this is just like the Handmaid's Tale.....

#69 | Posted by Mao_Feasance at 2024-11-06 03:41 PM

---- off magat scum

#70 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-06 03:46 PM

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