After Kimmel made his joke, since things didn't turn bad, it's easy to say no harm done and laugh it off.

However, if the President had been assassinated you can be sure Kimmel would be experiencing a lot different response from the public and the government. It would be much harder to laugh it off and defend Kimmel.

My point is this. Its not that what Kimmel said is no big deal. It's just nothing bad happened.

His joke was inappropriate.

Of course people will follow up with whataboutism.

What about Trump said this or that?

That's not the topic.

Obviously there is a lot of hate directed toward Trump right now. It's pretty foolish to make jokes on a television program about killing the President.

Donner,

"Kimmel joked about Melania being a widow.
There are many ways to die without being assassinated dumass."

If you don't see this as suggesting a Trump assassination, you are an ignorant fool with manure for brains.

I'm not saying it was a call for someone to kill him. It's too cleverly worded to fall into that category.

It was, however, suggesting it might happen given the number of times its been tried and Kirk haven't successfully been shot and killed.

I wasn't born yesterday.

His joke was inappropriate regardless how to want to look at it.

No one tells me what to think.

And surely not the idiot liberals who make up this site.

Donner,

I guess you didn't bother to read my post saying to hell with whataboutism. I don't play that game and don't play it with me.

I don't need to.

Did I read Corky is a moderator?

That explains a lot.

Lamp,

Whataboutism....the only play liberals have anymore.

Lamp,

No...I don't know how Trump's actions will play out in the long run.

And honestly, that's the only timeframe that matters.

What worries me is this. For decades, America has been making short term decisions and then acting surprised when long term consequences show up.

I don't pin that on one person. Both parties have had their turn, and both have contributed. Yet neither side ever owns anything. They just point their fingers at each other.

Tariffs? They sounded tough, but in practice they've backfired more than they've helped.

As for Iran, that situation shifts with every move, and anyone claiming certainty is guessing. We'll have to see what Trump does next.

The economy? It feels like "cross your fingers and hope," which isn't a strategy.

Bottom line. Keep yourself out of debt.

If someone has absolute certainty about where this is heading, I'd genuinely like to hear it instead of the usual anti-Trump talking points.

Lamp,

"And you apparently think that Pres Trump has changed that?"

No...

I think this last election was Trump or Kamala Harris who we already knew wouldn't deal with the border, plus everything else people were already uneasy about, like identity politics, DEI, and a broader focus on issues that didn't seem to match what a lot of people were dealing with day to day.

Sy,

If Democrats had spent less time focusing on identity politics and DEI, and more time on issues that affect everyday people, they might have found a connection with middle America.

Sy,

And deep down you know that's exactly what Democrats are going to have to face when they look back at this.

They need to find a center again that's less about social engineering and moral superiority, and more about issues people deal with every day...you know...what actually matters.

Lamp,

Here's how I see it.

Democrats didn't offer much in the way of clear direction.

It's easy to sound certain after the fact.

Polls aren't something I put much weight in.

Trump isn't out of office yet, and none of us really know how this is going to play out.

Lamp,

"Affordability"

That's one topic.

Now doing it is something else.

Laura,

"Spoken by someone with White male privilege."

As if things were just handed to me.

I put in the hours, took the hits and I earned every penny of what I have.

And believe me, I've taken my share of hits for not being "one of the boys" here in Virginia.

Accusing me of having "white privilege" doesn't solve anything.

I believe in offering opportunities such as tax incentives, paid training, and a focus on personal responsibility and accountability.

Until Democrats bring that into the equation and hold people to it, they're going to keep missing middle America.

Lamp,

"Because you disagree with what they are espousing?"

Letting people still come over the border in ridiculous numbers was insane.

Democrats blew it on that.

Lamp,

"Was it the Democrats who blew that, or Pres Trump?
There was a bi-partisan bill in Congress that was going to be enacted."

First off, ignoring that this problem had been going on for years, acting as if the "bill" somehow would negate all those years, doesn't cut it.

Also, the bill was poorly written and didn't go far enough, such as only kicking in at a certain threshold, among all the other problems with it.

Saying "there was a bill" doesn't mean anything, if it wasn't good.

It didn't fix problems.

Why should Biden credit for that?

Lamp,

"The bill was a proposed solution"

Ok...good try it sounds like..."proposed".

Why should it get passed if it has problems built into it?

Lots of bills don't pass, even though they're dear to someone's heart.

Lamp,

Personally, what I read about that bill was it was weak and didn't solve problems.

It wasn't strong enough.

That was my opinion.

I'm glad it didn't pass.

I don't care who liked it. I didn't and I'm glad it failed.

Lamp,

#1...the threshhold

Lamp,

"The only problem that was built into it was that it would have removed the immigration issue from Pres Trump's campaigning."

That's incidental as far as I'm concerned.

Lamp,

Threshold was deal breaker.

Why need more?

Lamp,

Believe what you want.

I told you what I thought.

What you're saying can go either way.

Trump didn't like it, you say, because "the border would then be a non issue."

How's that? It didn't solve the problem. How can anyone claim that?

I think dems put out a crappy bill that solved nothing so they can claim they did something.

Maybe some Rep claimed they supported it letting it fall clearly on Trump.

The threshold was a joke.

A mockery.

Lamp,

#105

I dont follow links unless you say something about it first.

You're now starting to shift to insults and accusations.

Btw...I'm well aware what functions immigrants provide here in the US.

We are done here.

Laura,

Refute what?

Just answer briefly.

Not feeling like chatting.

Lamp,

Ok...you didn't insult me. I just felt like the conversation was about to repeat itself.

I thought the threshold made the bill pointless. And people keep acting like it was supposed to be serious.

I know the difficulty of some industries relying on illegals. The US turned a blind eye for decades. Pointing out that fact doesn't change my opinion.

You should know from my posts about my accounting career that I want things to be as legal as possible.

Lamp,

"Until Pres Trump came out and said that the bill had to be killed because immigration would be a valuable political issue in the upcoming election."

So you're calling me a liar?

I read about the bill before I heard a single word about Trump.

The threshold made the bill useless.

Me thinky that all by meself. Me have good brain.

I just knew the conversation was about to repeat back.

Me thinky me want take break.

Laura,

It could be tripartisan and I still would think it's useless.

All 5 of me agree.

And getting all 5 of me to agree isn't always easy.

Zed,

Ok...so what?

The bill sucked.

Again...Trump's comment was incidental.

Zed,

The threshold made the bill nearly useless. It was too high.

Even then, enforcement wasn't automatic.

It still left room for discretion, which undercuts the whole point of setting a threshold in the first place.