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Jonathan Chait notes:

the conservative principle would seem to rule out any criticism of authoritarian tendencies, however real they may be. If calling a politician an aspiring authoritarian is tantamount to inciting their murder, then doing so is irresponsible even if the charge is true. Republicans could nominate the reanimated corpse of Benito Mussolini for president, and Democrats couldn't question his commitment to democracy without being accused of ginning up violence.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2026-04-30 05:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump may not be a pet person but he sure has one helluva collection of Pavlovian dogs.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2026-04-30 09:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Neither is calling him a rapist, a liar, and a thief.

Telling the flat truth cannot be a bad thing. You're either honest about reality of it eats you. As witness MAGA, who lives in a fantasy world that seeks to cover over every Trump crime and obscenity with implications of super-human powers.

The election and re-election of Trump have been the greatest national failures likely since the failure of Reconstruction. Donald Trump is a Monster. That is not a call to violence. It make be a call to place him in a zoo.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2026-04-30 09:56 AM | Reply

It's not a call to violence.

But when violence occurs.....there will be accusations like that.

Every time

lazy, apathetic, and biased people want to be told what they want to hear. This is what they want to hear

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2026-04-30 10:16 AM | Reply

people want to be told what they want to hear.

#4 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What do want to hear?

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2026-04-30 10:20 AM | Reply

What do you want to hear?

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2026-04-30 10:21 AM | Reply

6

The short answer is "nothing".

I don't "want" to hear anything specific. I'll take information in whatever biased slant it comes. I don't desire it to be from a certain perspective.

I accept that information can't be packaged that way. It comes the way it comes and it's my job to sift through the noise. Not avoid the noise.

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2026-04-30 11:11 AM | Reply

It's not a call to violence.
But when violence occurs.....there will be accusations like that.
Every time
lazy, apathetic, and biased people want to be told what they want to hear. This is what they want to hear
#4 | Posted by eberly

Right.
Video games are not a call to violence.
But every time there's a school shooting, Republicans blame video games. Or trans kids. Or antidepressants. Anything but guns.
That's what lazy, apathetic, biased Republicans want to hear.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-04-30 11:16 AM | Reply

It's Not Inciting violence if Trump does it.

It Is Inciting violence if anyone else does it unless Trump Approves.

Trump is a Liar. Eberly is a Liar.

There's no Noise to filter.

Just Lies.

Like my Favorite that Nazis are "Leftists".

Or the the Whopper that Trump "Won" the 2020 election but Massive Voter Fraud denied him the "Victory".

Trump is a Dangerous Liar.

Eberly is just a DR level, Liar wannabe.

Sad.

Bigly.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-04-30 11:31 AM | Reply

-Eberly is just a DR level, Liar wannabe.

You're nuts, clearly.

Everyone here can see it.

But where am I lying?

After what appears to be some sort of assassination attempt predictably there will be accusations of inciting this behavior hurled at the other side.

Which is --------.....all I said was that it's predicable.

And that makes me a liar?

No noise to filter? OMG.....if there was a single poster here who thought you were even remotely sane.....that just ended right there.

I'm going to do both of us a favor and start completely ignoring you. You can sit in the closet with the other ----- unworthy of my time.

not in a corner......in my grade school, we put them in a closet....not a corner. LOL

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2026-04-30 11:38 AM | Reply

Of course it is all just more BS of the Facist Party.

Violence is what begets violence. When you kill Americans and then lie and try to cover it up Americans do tend to get violent about that.

It's not the rhetoric. It's the actions. And Republicans don't believe rhetoric can incite violence either.

If that were the case Trumpy would have been impeached and and possibly even Imprisoned for his role in inciting and inviting J6.

Which was very violent.

Also. Don't act like a tyrant and folks won't call you a tyrant. (Same for Deplorables)

And btw. Biden was called and is still called a tyrant by maga maroons today.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-04-30 11:52 AM | Reply

What Happened to "Don't Tread on Me", "Give me Liberty or give me Death", the Whole Notion that the Second Amendment is about Killing Tyrants and the need for an Armed Populace to kill the evil Tyrants.

All big Right wing Slogans and Ideas.

It's Okay if THEY Do it.

It's okay if They Say it.

Get over yourself Eberly.

You don't have a Monopoly on Truth, Justice, or the American Way.

Your Filter is Faulty.

I Retract calling you a Liar. Trump Is a Liar.

You are just extremely Gullible and repeat lies without Reflection.

Not the Same thing, I Stand Corrected.

Thank you for your attention to this Matter.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-04-30 12:13 PM | Reply

This is hilarious. NONE of this rhetoric is incitement yet a district map with bullseye targets (no pol names even given) IS incitement???

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-04-30 12:48 PM | Reply

This is hilarious.

#13 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

That trump is a racist, a lair, a fraud, a thief, a traitor, and sexual criminal?

What part is funny?

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2026-04-30 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump is working for dictatorships. But he's picky. Putin can do no wrong. Nor could Victor Orban. And with Maduro sidelined, maybe a Trump aligned dictator can be installed in Venezuela.

Oddly, the least democratic president in America's history thinks making himself King (and Pope, too) would MAGA ("Make America Great' Again"??).

Would Speaker Johnson and Senate Leader Thune clearly explain ho that's supposed to work???

#15 | Posted by Augustine at 2026-05-01 07:20 AM | Reply

This is hilarious.

#13 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So let's 86 the Tyrant!

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-01 12:13 PM | Reply

86 47

Come arrest me.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-01 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

86 47

Come arrest me.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy

I think the trick is to do it at the beach using seashells.

Magic, sort of.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2026-05-01 12:23 PM | Reply

This is nothing more than another accusation being an admission by the right.

They're by far the most violent prone, especially in the recent past. They have to do whatever necessary to paint their opposition as the guilty party, no matter how absurd.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-01 12:28 PM | Reply

NONE of this rhetoric is incitement yet a district map with bullseye targets (no pol names even given) IS incitement???
#13 | Posted by BellRinger

Ahhhh yes, dips*&^ is back to act like the right doesn't regularly use violent rhetoric featuring guns and shooting stuff in run of the mill political ads.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2026-05-01 12:32 PM | Reply

Magic, sort of.

Melisandre on Line 1!

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2026-05-01 12:51 PM | Reply

86 47

Lock and load bitches.

#22 | Posted by moder8 at 2026-05-01 03:16 PM | Reply

Criticizing the President is seditious! Unless it's a Democrat.

#23 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2026-05-01 03:38 PM | Reply

After Kimmel made his joke, since things didn't turn bad, it's easy to say no harm done and laugh it off.

However, if the President had been assassinated you can be sure Kimmel would be experiencing a lot different response from the public and the government. It would be much harder to laugh it off and defend Kimmel.

My point is this. Its not that what Kimmel said is no big deal. It's just nothing bad happened.

His joke was inappropriate.

#24 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-02 03:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Of course people will follow up with whataboutism.

What about Trump said this or that?

That's not the topic.

Obviously there is a lot of hate directed toward Trump right now. It's pretty foolish to make jokes on a television program about killing the President.

#25 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-02 04:04 AM | Reply

When the right refused to condemn Trump's violent rhetoric when he began running, it set a precedent for violence. They've continued to enable him every stretch of the way

#26 | Posted by hamburglar at 2026-05-02 06:04 AM | Reply

Trump admires Putin for many reasons, but I am sure one of the top reasons is that Putin owns the Russian legal system, and as a dictator he gets to turn every thought and impulse into reality...
Trump, our President is a danger to the safety of the world...we went from being a shining city on a hill to being the most dangerous, drug addled heavily armed gangsters out there, and here. We even let people murder children in schools...something correctable by controlling firearm possession.

#27 | Posted by Hughmass at 2026-05-02 07:52 AM | Reply

BillJohnson is in a cult. His words bear this out.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-05-02 09:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Fauci was the biggest fascist tyrant the country has ever seen

#29 | Posted by THEBULL at 2026-05-02 10:06 AM | Reply

The orange child rapist choked out 1.2 million Americans.

#30 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2026-05-02 10:11 AM | Reply

"if the President had been assassinated you can be sure Kimmel would be.." doing the Trumpy dance? Like the rest of the world?

Don't tease us like that.

FYI- Trumpy's final thoughts will go something like this..

I looked at the skies running my hands over my eyes
And I fell out of bed hurting my head from things that I said
'Till I finally died which started the whole world living
Oh if I'd only seen that the joke was on me
Oh no that the joke was on me

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-02 10:27 AM | Reply

It's pretty foolish to make jokes on a television program about killing the President.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Yes it is. When did that happen?

Kimmel joked about Melania being a widow.

There are many ways to die without being assassinated dumass.

Trump is going to die (like all of us) someday and if Melatonin is still alive (and not buried in the golf course) then she will be a widow. Dressed in black. A Black Widow.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-02 10:38 AM | Reply

Fauci was the biggest fascist tyrant the country has ever seen

#29 | POSTED BY THEBULL

Maybe someday someone will tell you what those words mean.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-02 10:49 AM | Reply

Of course people will follow up with whataboutism.

What about Trump said this or that?

That's not the topic.

The President's words matter. A lot.

Yours and mine actually have little to no effect. As do the words of most Citizens without access to the kind of power Trumpy has access to.

So. What Trumpy says (right now..) matters way more than what any citizen says.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-02 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

His joke was inappropriate.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Now do White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt's "joke":

"there will be some shots fired tonight"

A comment she made just moments before the alleged attack ...

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-02 12:16 PM | Reply

" Now do White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt's "joke": "there will be some shots fired tonight"

BillJohnson doesn't believe that happened, because the "news" outlets he frequents don't report facts like that.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 12:29 PM | Reply

Someone should tell Trump this is America and in America we have the freedom to call the president anything we want.

The problem with Trump and MAGA is that they hate America.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2026-05-02 12:38 PM | Reply

You what's a real joke?

A maga maroon talking about what's "inappropriate".

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-02 12:52 PM | Reply

You know ...

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-05-02 12:52 PM | Reply

Donner,

"Kimmel joked about Melania being a widow.
There are many ways to die without being assassinated dumass."

If you don't see this as suggesting a Trump assassination, you are an ignorant fool with manure for brains.

I'm not saying it was a call for someone to kill him. It's too cleverly worded to fall into that category.

It was, however, suggesting it might happen given the number of times its been tried and Kirk haven't successfully been shot and killed.

I wasn't born yesterday.

His joke was inappropriate regardless how to want to look at it.

No one tells me what to think.

And surely not the idiot liberals who make up this site.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-02 07:51 PM | Reply

Oooooooooo BillJohnson has spoken. We better take heed. LMFAO hehehehe hahahahaha that's hilarious.

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-05-02 07:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

@#40 ... If you don't see this as suggesting a Trump assassination, you are an ignorant fool with manure for brains. ...

I saw that as a joke about the age difference between Pres Trump and First Lady Trump, a joke that Pres Trump is likely to pass away from old age way before First lady Trump does so.

I mean, it can be seen that Pres Trump looks to be rotting away both physically and mentally as the weeks progress ...




#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 07:56 PM | Reply

#40 If you don't see this as suggesting a Trump assassination, you are an ignorant fool with manure for brains.

So says the guzzler ...

#43 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-02 07:58 PM | Reply

Donner,

I guess you didn't bother to read my post saying to hell with whataboutism. I don't play that game and don't play it with me.

I don't need to.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-02 07:58 PM | Reply

#40 "His joke was inappropriate regardless how to want to look at it."

Don Rickles was famous for his "Mr. Warmth" persona, where he would brutally, yet lovingly, roast celebrities regarding their marriages, ages, and personal lives.

Here are a few notable examples of Rickles' "May-December" (large age gap) or marriage-related jokes from his roasts:

To Frank Sinatra & Mia Farrow: While referencing Frank Sinatra's marriage to the much younger Mia Farrow, Rickles often joked about the age difference, implying Frank needed to keep up.

To Johnny Carson: When Johnny Carson was married to his much younger third wife, Joanna Holland, Rickles frequently teased him, saying, "Johnny, she doesn't want your money... she wants your life!".

Roasting Barbra Streisand: In a 1960s roast, Rickles joked about her rapid rise to fame and public perception, often telling her, "You're a dummy... and now everyone's schmeckling [messing with] her," in his signature absurd, non-PC style.

The "Pretty Girl" Routine: Rickles would often brag about being with a very young, beautiful woman in the front row, only to immediately yell, "Frank [Sinatra], not now! Can't you see I'm with somebody!" to turn the joke back on his own, often older, reputation.Rickles often joked that his own wife, Barbara, was younger and trying to keep up with him, playing on the theme that he was the "old, tired" one.

bj boi, you are one pathetic putz.

#45 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-02 08:03 PM | Reply

" It was, however, suggesting it might happen"

Your interpretation.

I saw a sign at a "No Kings" rally, a picture of a sickly-looking Trump, with the caption I'VE NEVER BEEN MORE DISAPPOINTED IN CHOLESTEROL.

Was that calling for the President's death?

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 08:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#40 ... you are an ignorant fool with manure for brains. ...

What does your current alias think about this comment by Pres Trump .... ?

politicalwire.com

... "It is a problem I'm not on the ballot. Everyone says if I was on a ballot we'd win in a landslide. I have some of the best poll numbers I've ever had."

          --- President Trump, in an interview with Newsmax. ...


#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 08:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Did I read Corky is a moderator?

That explains a lot.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-02 08:06 PM | Reply

#48 "No you didn't read that, bell boi."

Don Rickles was famous for his "Mr. Warmth" persona, where he would brutally, yet lovingly, roast celebrities regarding their marriages, ages, and personal lives.

Here are a few notable examples of Rickles' "May-December" (large age gap) or marriage-related jokes from his roasts:

To Frank Sinatra & Mia Farrow: While referencing Frank Sinatra's marriage to the much younger Mia Farrow, Rickles often joked about the age difference, implying Frank needed to keep up.

To Johnny Carson: When Johnny Carson was married to his much younger third wife, Joanna Holland, Rickles frequently teased him, saying, "Johnny, she doesn't want your money... she wants your life!".

Roasting Barbra Streisand: In a 1960s roast, Rickles joked about her rapid rise to fame and public perception, often telling her, "You're a dummy... and now everyone's schmeckling [messing with] her," in his signature absurd, non-PC style.The "Pretty Girl" Routine: Rickles would often brag about being with a very young, beautiful woman in the front row, only to immediately yell, "Frank [Sinatra], not now! Can't you see I'm with somebody!" to turn the joke back on his own, often older, reputation.Rickles often joked that his own wife, Barbara, was younger and trying to keep up with him, playing on the theme that he was the "old, tired" one.

bj boi, you are one pathetic putz.

#49 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-02 08:07 PM | Reply



#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-Did I read Corky is a moderator?

Assistant to the moderator.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2026-05-02 08:08 PM | Reply

Lamp,

Whataboutism....the only play liberals have anymore.

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-02 08:14 PM | Reply

#52 "Whataboutism....the only play liberals have anymore."

So says the representative of the party that controls the US House, the US Senate, the Oval Office, and 2/3rds of SCOTUS.

Woe is you...

... right, bi boi?

#53 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-02 08:21 PM | Reply

Whataboutism....the only play liberals have anymore.

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson

You can't even defend Trump anymore, Pedo.

Facts don't care about your Pedo feelings.

#54 | Posted by Sycophant at 2026-05-02 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#48 ... Did I read Corky is a moderator? ...

I dunno.

But, I do have to ask, why does your current alias seem to admit that it does not know what it reads?

That might explain a lot ... ;)

#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 08:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#54 ...You can't even defend Trump anymore ...

You noticed that also?

#56 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 08:38 PM | Reply


#57 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 08:41 PM | Reply

Gaslighter, you can put a width attribute in the tag.

Tell me again how you ran a chat server.... Great story.

#58 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-05-02 08:59 PM | Reply

Did I read Corky is a moderator?

Really, makes sense, facts never get in the way of Corky's opinion.

But it was obvious Gaslighter or CorkyFromOcala was a moderator, their threads got right to the front page.

#59 | Posted by oneironaut at 2026-05-02 09:02 PM | Reply

-Did I read Corky is a moderator?
That explains a lot.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson

My position, if I had one, would be Therapeutic Mental Health Coordinator for the Assistant to the Assistant Gerbil Feeder.

I did, however, recommend BJ for the Gerbil Insertion Training job.

With his vast experience, and Bev's very willing help, he should be a resounding success!

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-02 09:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course, then it comes to Gerbil Self-Insertion Techniques, those two guys both bow to the Chinese Master...

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2026-05-02 09:13 PM | Reply

Lamp,

No...I don't know how Trump's actions will play out in the long run.

And honestly, that's the only timeframe that matters.

What worries me is this. For decades, America has been making short term decisions and then acting surprised when long term consequences show up.

I don't pin that on one person. Both parties have had their turn, and both have contributed. Yet neither side ever owns anything. They just point their fingers at each other.

Tariffs? They sounded tough, but in practice they've backfired more than they've helped.

As for Iran, that situation shifts with every move, and anyone claiming certainty is guessing. We'll have to see what Trump does next.

The economy? It feels like "cross your fingers and hope," which isn't a strategy.

Bottom line. Keep yourself out of debt.

If someone has absolute certainty about where this is heading, I'd genuinely like to hear it instead of the usual anti-Trump talking points.

#62 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-02 09:13 PM | Reply

@#58 ... you can put a width attribute in the tag. ...

I did.

The tempplate I used was...

(img src= h t t p s : / / example.com/example.png width="500" height="500")

with the greater than or less than signs instead of the parens, and spaces in the h t t p part removed.

Do try harder ...

:)

#63 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 09:17 PM | Reply

" Tariffs? They sounded tough, but in practice they've backfired more than they've helped."

That's because Trump is lying to you: Americans pay the tariffs.

Trump is too stupid to understand that, just like he's too stupid to understand percentages.

Can you name a single prescription cost he's lowered by 600%?

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 09:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#62 ... No...I don't know how Trump's actions will play out in the long run. ...

Thanks for bringing up "the long run" as related to Pres trump's actions.

Apparently, Pres Trupm does not care about the long-term ramifications of his actions, but only the short-term gain he may get.

The "quick win."


... What worries me is this. For decades, America has been making short term decisions and then acting surprised when long term consequences show up. ...

And you apparently think that Pres Trump has changed that?

I'd proffer that he has only made it worse.

#65 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 09:21 PM | Reply

" Bottom line. Keep yourself out of debt."

The folks you enable just added $10 trillion to the deficit.

And when you hear everybody say that our kids are gonna pay for this? They're fibbing.

We're the kids.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If someone has absolute certainty about where this is heading, I'd genuinely like to hear it"

We're in for price shocks, and spiking inflation.

We're also going to hear a lot from Trump about rigged elections ... With, of course, no proof.

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 09:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#62 "Tariffs? They sounded tough, but in practice they've backfired more than they've helped."

Posted by:

#68 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-05-02 09:38 PM | Reply

" in practice they've backfired more than they've helped."

Which is EXACTLY what some of us predicted... since it's Americans who pay Trump's tariffs.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 09:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#69 ... Which is EXACTLY what some of us predicted... since it's Americans who pay Trump's tariffs. ...

Pres Trump still is saying that the foreign countries pay the tariffs ...

To wit ...

www.reuters.com

... "Based on the fact the European Union is not complying with our fully agreed to Trade Deal, next week I will be increasing Tariffs charged to the European Union for Cars and Trucks coming into the United States," Trump wrote in a social media post. ...


Those 25% tariffs are not being charged to the European Union. They, bluntly, are taxes that are paid by American consumers.


#70 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 10:12 PM | Reply

"Pres Trump still is saying that the foreign countries pay the tariffs ..."

Bill, what's your reaction?

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 10:20 PM | Reply

" ... the European Union is not complying with our fully agreed to Trade Deal ... ."

That's because they didn't FULLY AGREE, moron.

Sorry ... President Moron.

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 10:29 PM | Reply

Trump says he will raise tariff on autos from European Union to 25%
www.reuters.com

... "Based on the fact the European Union is not complying with our fully agreed to Trade Deal, next week I will be increasing Tariffs charged to the European Union for Cars and Trucks coming into the United States," Trump wrote in a social media post.

"It is fully understood and agreed that, if they produce Cars and Trucks in U.S.A. Plants, there will be NO TARIFF."

Trump told reporters the higher tariff would force European car makers to move production to the U.S. more quickly.

"We have a trade deal with the European Union. They were not adhering to it. So I raised the tariffs on cars and trucks to 25%, that's billions of dollars coming into the United States, and it forces them to move their factory production much faster," he said at the White House.

The European Commission swiftly rejected Trump's claim that Brussels was not complying with last summer's trade deal and said it would keep its options open to protect EU interests if Washington breached the terms of the agreement. ...


#73 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 10:54 PM | Reply

" ... that's billions of dollars coming into the United States"
~DJT

No it's not, President Dumfuq.

It's billions of dollars ~I>already in the United States, which will be confiscated as taxes paid by Americans.

How can anybody possibly support such a math moron?

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 11:13 PM | Reply

^already in

#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-05-02 11:14 PM | Reply

@#74 ... which will be confiscated as taxes paid by Americans. ...

Yup, tariffs are paid by Americans.

And the brunt of tariffs seem to be paid by working Americans, and not the billionaires of Pres Trump's Cabinet ...



#76 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-02 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What worries me is this. For decades, America has been making short term decisions and then acting surprised when long term consequences show up.

#62 | Posted by BillJohnson

Like:
Billionaire Tax Cuts
Tariffs and Trade Wars
Cutting Education
Cutting Healthcare
Cutting Infrastructure Spending
Foreign Wars
Turning Allies into Enemies
Deporting our Workforce
Gutting our science and health teams
Tax Incentives to Offshore
Allowing Mergers to stifle competition
Poisoning our Water Supply
Stopping anything but coal and oil energy production
Driving green energy companies to China

Short term decisions screwing us in the long term....AKA Trump's Agenda you voted for 3 times.

Shut up, Bill.

#77 | Posted by Sycophant at 2026-05-03 12:40 AM | Reply

Lamp,

"And you apparently think that Pres Trump has changed that?"

No...

I think this last election was Trump or Kamala Harris who we already knew wouldn't deal with the border, plus everything else people were already uneasy about, like identity politics, DEI, and a broader focus on issues that didn't seem to match what a lot of people were dealing with day to day.

#78 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 12:45 AM | Reply

Sy,

If Democrats had spent less time focusing on identity politics and DEI, and more time on issues that affect everyday people, they might have found a connection with middle America.

#79 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 12:50 AM | Reply

@#78 ... I think this last election was ... a broader focus on issues that didn't seem to match what a lot of people were dealing with day to day.

OK, going back to the promises of the last election ...

Has Pres Trump brought down prices on day one, as he promised?

That seems to be a major issue that people are currently dealing with day to day.

And speaking of the border (immigration) a major issue during the Trump campaign ... how does Pres Trump seem to be doing?

Let's look ...

President Trump Job Approval - Immigration
www.realclearpolling.com

...
RCP Average 4/8 - 4/28
Approve: 45.3
Disapprove: 51.9
Spread: -6.6

Oh, wow. More than half disapprove of Pres Trump on his immigration policies and actions.

So, what else yer got?


#80 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 12:59 AM | Reply

And, for the record ...

President Trump Job Approval - Inflation
www.realclearpolling.com

...
RCP Average 3/30 - 4/28
Approve: 29.1
Disapprove: 67.9
Spread : -38.8
...

Oh, that ain't good ...


#81 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 01:02 AM | Reply

Sy,

And deep down you know that's exactly what Democrats are going to have to face when they look back at this.

They need to find a center again that's less about social engineering and moral superiority, and more about issues people deal with every day...you know...what actually matters.

#82 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 01:03 AM | Reply

Lamp,

Here's how I see it.

Democrats didn't offer much in the way of clear direction.

It's easy to sound certain after the fact.

Polls aren't something I put much weight in.

Trump isn't out of office yet, and none of us really know how this is going to play out.

#83 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 01:08 AM | Reply

@#82 ... They need to find a center again that's less about social engineering and moral superiority, and more about issues people deal with every day... ...

Yup.

Affordability.


Front and center.

Affordability.

#84 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 01:09 AM | Reply

,
If Democrats had spent less time focusing on identity politics and DEI, and more time on issues that affect everyday people, they might have found a connection with middle America.

#79 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 12:50 AM | Reply

Spoken by someone with White male privilege.

#85 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-05-03 01:09 AM | Reply

@#83 ... Here's how I see it.

Democrats didn't offer much in the way of clear direction. ...

Because you disagree with what they are espousing?


#86 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 01:14 AM | Reply

Lamp,

"Affordability"

That's one topic.

Now doing it is something else.

#87 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 01:18 AM | Reply

Laura,

"Spoken by someone with White male privilege."

As if things were just handed to me.

I put in the hours, took the hits and I earned every penny of what I have.

And believe me, I've taken my share of hits for not being "one of the boys" here in Virginia.

Accusing me of having "white privilege" doesn't solve anything.

I believe in offering opportunities such as tax incentives, paid training, and a focus on personal responsibility and accountability.

Until Democrats bring that into the equation and hold people to it, they're going to keep missing middle America.

#88 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 01:31 AM | Reply

Lamp,

"Because you disagree with what they are espousing?"

Letting people still come over the border in ridiculous numbers was insane.

Democrats blew it on that.

#89 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 01:33 AM | Reply

@#89 ... Letting people still come over the border in ridiculous numbers was insane.

Democrats blew it on that. ...

Was it the Democrats who blew that, or Pres Trump?

There was a bi-partisan bill in Congress that was going to be enacted.

Then Pres Trump chimed in and told the Republicans not to pass the bill.

So it died.

Now, that was a bipartisan bill, Democrats and Republicans both supported it.

But Pres Trump told the Republicans to kill the bill because it would be politically beneficial for Republicans to do so.

So, yeah, the results of those efforts are quite apparent in your alias' comment.

But what say ye about Pres Trump's dictum to kill that bi-partisan bill?


Trump just said he "certainly wouldn't sign" an immigration bill his White House helped write (2018)
www.vox.com

... Trump might have torpedoed a bill that even immigration hardliners in his administration like Stephen Miller were trying to pass. ...


#90 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 02:10 AM | Reply

Lamp,

"Was it the Democrats who blew that, or Pres Trump?
There was a bi-partisan bill in Congress that was going to be enacted."

First off, ignoring that this problem had been going on for years, acting as if the "bill" somehow would negate all those years, doesn't cut it.

Also, the bill was poorly written and didn't go far enough, such as only kicking in at a certain threshold, among all the other problems with it.

Saying "there was a bill" doesn't mean anything, if it wasn't good.

It didn't fix problems.

Why should Biden credit for that?

#91 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 02:27 AM | Reply

@#91 ... First off, ignoring that this problem had been going on for years, acting as if the "bill" somehow would negate all those years, doesn't cut it. ...

The bill was a proposed solution. Pres Trump killed it, apparently because he saw a political gain from the exploitation of immigration, as opposed to solving the immigration issue.

He seemed to have been correct in that political opinion.

... Also, the bill was poorly written and didn't go far enough, such as only kicking in at a certain threshold, among all the other problems with it. ...

Really, an immigration bill proffered by Mr Stephen Miller didn't "cut it?"



#92 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 02:39 AM | Reply

Trump says he won't sign GOP's compromise immigration bill (2018)
thehill.com

... President Trump on Friday said that he would not sign the House GOP's compromise immigration bill, delivering a major blow to Republican leadership's plans.

"I certainly wouldn't sign the more moderate one," Trump said on "Fox & Friends" during an impromptu interview on the White House lawn. "I need a bill that gives this country tremendous border security. I have to have that."

GOP leaders reached an agreement to hold two votes next week on a pair of immigration bills including a compromise immigration bill, which is the product of weeks of negotiations between moderate Republicans and conservatives, and a more hard-line immigration measure from House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.).

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) earlier in the week said that Trump was excited about the compromise bill and seemed to be on board with the plan, which sticks to the four main "pillars" outlined by the White House.

White House senior adviser Stephen Miller, a hard-liner on immigration, told members of the Republican Study Committee earlier this week that the Trump White House expects to support both immigration bills coming to the House floor next week. ...


#93 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 02:45 AM | Reply

Lamp,

"The bill was a proposed solution"

Ok...good try it sounds like..."proposed".

Why should it get passed if it has problems built into it?

Lots of bills don't pass, even though they're dear to someone's heart.

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 02:51 AM | Reply

Lamp,

Personally, what I read about that bill was it was weak and didn't solve problems.

It wasn't strong enough.

That was my opinion.

I'm glad it didn't pass.

I don't care who liked it. I didn't and I'm glad it failed.

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 02:54 AM | Reply

@#94 ... Why should it get passed if it has problems built into it? ...

The bill was basically written by Republicans, with the help of Mr Stephen Miller in the White House. It was largely what the Republicans wanted.

The only problem that was built into it was that it would have removed the immigration issue from Pres Trump's campaigning.

#96 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 03:09 AM | Reply

@#95 ... Personally, what I read about that bill was it was weak and didn't solve problems. ...

So, you are saying that an immigration bill effectively written by and supported by the Trump admin's Mr Stephen Miller was weak on immigration?

Wow.


#97 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 03:12 AM | Reply

@#95 ... I don't care who liked it. I didn't and I'm glad it failed. ...

Why, specifically, did you not like it?

#98 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 03:14 AM | Reply

Lamp,

#1...the threshhold

#99 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 03:27 AM | Reply

@#99 ... #1...the threshhold ...

Huh?

Please be more specific.

#100 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 03:36 AM | Reply

Lamp,

"The only problem that was built into it was that it would have removed the immigration issue from Pres Trump's campaigning."

That's incidental as far as I'm concerned.

#101 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 03:36 AM | Reply

Lamp,

Threshold was deal breaker.

Why need more?

#102 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 03:37 AM | Reply

@#101

So, you seem to support the killing of the bi-partisan immigration bill becase such a killing would help Pres Trump get elected?


#103 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 03:42 AM | Reply

These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants (2019)
www.cbsnews.com

... The nation's attention is once again focused on the southern border, where President Trump claims the U.S. is facing a "crisis" over illegal immigration.

Sometimes forgotten as the nation focuses attention on migrants currently trying to cross the border is that millions of undocumented immigrants continue to live in the U.S. " and most of them work.

And in fact, these workers play vital roles in the U.S. economy, erecting American buildings, picking American apples and grapes, and taking care of American babies. Oh, and paying American taxes.

My work as the director of the Cornell Farmworker Program involves meeting with undocumented workers in New York, and the farmers who employ them. Here's a snapshot of who they are, where they work " and why Americans should care about them.

A snapshot of who they are

Pew Research Center estimates that about 11.3 million people are currently living in the U.S. without authorization, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. More than half come from Mexico, and about 15 percent come from other parts Latin America.

About 8 million of them have jobs, making up 5 percent of the U.S. workforce, figures that have remained more or less steady for the past decade.

Geographically, these unauthorized workers are spread throughout the U.S. but are unsurprisingly most concentrated in border states like California and Texas, where they make up about 9 percent of both states' workforces, while in Nevada, their share is over 10 percent.

Their representation in particular industries is even more pronounced, and the Department of Agriculture estimates that about half of the nation's farmworkers are unauthorized, while 15 percent of those in construction lack papers -- more than the share of legal immigrants in either industry. In the service sector, which would include jobs such as fast food and domestic help, the figure is about 9 percent. ...


#104 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 03:49 AM | Reply

Yeah, I go back to my #50 post ...

Why the deflection attempt in #89 from that?

www.politico.com


#105 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 04:03 AM | Reply

Lamp,

Believe what you want.

I told you what I thought.

What you're saying can go either way.

Trump didn't like it, you say, because "the border would then be a non issue."

How's that? It didn't solve the problem. How can anyone claim that?

I think dems put out a crappy bill that solved nothing so they can claim they did something.

Maybe some Rep claimed they supported it letting it fall clearly on Trump.

The threshold was a joke.

A mockery.

#106 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 04:05 AM | Reply

Lamp,

#105

I dont follow links unless you say something about it first.

You're now starting to shift to insults and accusations.

Btw...I'm well aware what functions immigrants provide here in the US.

We are done here.

#107 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 04:11 AM | Reply

I dont follow links unless you say something about it first.
You're now starting to shift to insults and accusations.
Btw...I'm well aware what functions immigrants provide here in the US.
We are done here.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 04:11 AM | Reply

Translation: lamp lighter has your number and you can't refute it. Par for the course BillJohnson.

#108 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-05-03 04:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Laura,

Refute what?

Just answer briefly.

Not feeling like chatting.

#109 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 04:20 AM | Reply

Laura,
Refute what?
Just answer briefly.
Not feeling like chatting.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2026-05-03 04:20 AM | Reply

Why you opposed to the bipartisan bill on immigration and the border. That's what BillJohnson.

#110 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-05-03 04:25 AM | Reply

@#106 ... Trump didn't like it, you say, because "the border would then be a non issue."

How's that? It didn't solve the problem. How can anyone claim that? ...

Simple, Candidate Trump campaigned on the border issue. Not solving the border issue was a big political benefit for his campaign.

I am quite surprised you have not seen that.

Indeed, until ICE's actions, Pres Trump's views and actions regarding immigration were a huge political benefit for him in the polls.

Lately, not so much ...

President Trump Job Approval - Immigration
www.realclearpolling.com

...
RCP Average 4/8 - 4/28
Approve: 45.3
Disapprove: 51.9
Spread: -6.6
...

Yeah, Pres Trump used to be in the +5% to +15% area of polling on immigration.

Now, not so much.

He's underwater ...




But I again go back to my #50 post and wonder why you have been deflecting so strenuously from it?

#111 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 04:27 AM | Reply

@#107 ... You're now starting to shift to insults and accusations.

Insults? Hardly. I'd never want to intentionally insult such a highly religious person as you claim to be.

Accusations? Well, highlighting an apparent deflection attempt (#89) is an accusation?

If so, I plead guilty.

So, what else yer got?


#112 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-05-03 04:34 AM | Reply

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