Biden to Offer Legal Status to Undocumented Immigrants in US for 10 Years

Please point to the legislation that grants him the authority to do this.

#1 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

www.fwd.us

Parole is a long-standing authority that helps keep families together and strengthens the economy. Section 212(d)(5)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to "in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such conditions as he may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any alien applying for admission to the United States."

Now point to the place on the doll where the immigrant touched you.

This is just an expansion of a program that has been in place for over a decade.

Jeff is a trash person

and

This is a trash thread.

"A Program being developed by White House officials would offer work permits and deportation protections to unauthorized immigrants married to U.S. citizens, as long as they have lived in the U.S. for at least 10 years, the sources said, requesting anonymity to talk about internal government plans."

Wow... that's outrageous, right?

The Party of Family Values must hate it.

It's sad. jeff is obsessed with picking on minorities like trans people and immigrants because the right wing echo chamber told him to.

" I think it's the same part of the Constitution that says he can pardon people.

#3 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-06-15 05:50 PM | FLAG: "

Pardon happens when someone is convicted of a crime in court. That's not what this is.

" This is just an expansion of a program that has been in place for over a decade."

The people he's looking to grant amnesty to are not minors. This is much closer to DAPA 2.0. That crap got struck down hard.

In the late 80's it took congressional legislation in order to grant amnesty.

Can someone explain how this is (D)ifferent?

" Pardon happens when someone is convicted of a crime in court."

Richard Nixon would like a word with you.

" #7 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-06-15 06:18 PM | FLAG: "

As a matter of policy whether or not this is good is up for debate. That is not what I'm talking about. We supposedly have separation of powers. The Executive doesn't have the power to do this in the absence of legislation sitting on his desk to be signed into law.

Jeff is just going to ignore the language of the law that I posted that shows Biden has the authority.

Here I'll post it agains.

Section 212(d)(5)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to "in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such conditions as he may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any alien applying for admission to the United States."

This section of the INA has been used to provide parole to the families of American service personnel.

For over 10 years.

Biden is using this authority, which he has, to expand the coverage to people married to American citizens for over 10 year.

Jeff will ignore this and continue to lie.

That is what he does.

Because he is a piece of ----.

@#10 ... Richard Nixon would like a word with you. ...

Pardon of Richard Nixon
en.wikipedia.org

... Proclamation 4311 was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[1][2] In particular, the pardon covered Nixon's actions during the Watergate scandal. ...

[emphasis mine]

"... for any crimes that he might have committed ..."

#11 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hey look at jeff lie

Here is the language again:

Here is where you that preventing the separation of people who have been married for over a decade is not an urgent humanitarian reason.

Because you are a trash person.

" Richard Nixon would like a word with you.

#10 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-06-15 07:33 PM | FLAG: "

Okay, I'll rephrase. A pardon here would prevent these people from being prosecuted and convicted for illegal entry. It doesn't change their status as a resident.

How many times in our history has POTUS issued a mass pardon? I can think of 2. Lincoln for the secessionists and Carter for Nam draft dodgers. In both instances those mass pardons were applied to US citizens.

This has zero to do with Biden's pardon power, this has to do with the statutory authority given to the President via legislation.

#15 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Good thing this has nothing to do with the pardon power. This has to do with his statutory authority.

Here I'll post it again:

" may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any alien applying for admission to the United States.""

"Case by case ... .

Urgent humanitarian reasons."

Neither apply here.

@#12 ... Jeff is just going to ignore the language of the law that I posted that shows Biden has the authority. ...

Yeah, I wondered why the oneironwhatever and bluewaffles current aliases suddenly showed up just as the bellringer current alias seems to be having its current derriere handed to it on this thread. ...

Behavior I've seen previously.

"Okay, I'll rephrase."

First you should retract. That was quite a bold statement you made.

And false.

Urgent humanitarian reasons."
Neither apply here.
#18 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

See I told you jeff would argue that not breaking up families was not an urgent humanitarian reason.

Jeff, you are a sick person.

This has zero to do with Biden's pardon power

No, but the section of the Constitution that grants pardon powers also allows the President to issue Executive Orders, which is what this is.

BTW in 2013 Obama issued a blanket parole in place (i.e. THIS) for families of American service members.

SO, umm, the number of paroles is immaterial.

IDK if it is an executive order or a fresh interpretation of existing statutory authority though they may be one in the same.

" Section 212(d)(5)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to "in his discretion parole into the United States"

"Parole into ... "

That would be the Biden policy of flying people into this country and it hasn't been won a case by case basis and it's something that has been mostly kept under wraps.

This applies to people who are already in the country and who have entered illegally.

Here is where you that preventing the separation of people who have been married for over a decade is not an urgent humanitarian reason.
Because you are a trash person.

#14 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Urgent humanitarian reasons."
Neither apply here.
#18 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Did i or did I not call it.

" See I told you jeff would argue that not breaking up families was not an urgent humanitarian reason."

I wasn't aware Biden was planning on breaking up these families. When did he make a move to do so?

" urgent humanitarian reasons"

Why did you leave out the salient phrase:

" ... or significant public benefit "

Looks like purposeful editing. Purposeful and dishonest.

" No, but the section of the Constitution that grants pardon powers also allows the President to issue Executive Orders, which is what this is.

#22 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-06-15 07:43 PM | FLAG: "

Executive orders are limited in scope and cannot usurp congressional lawmaking powers.

" .. or significant public benefit "

Looks like purposeful editing. Purposeful and dishonest.

#28 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-06-15 07:47 PM | FLAG: "

How is this SIGNIFICANT public benefit? It's r3ached a point where those on the left belleve POTUS has limitless power so long as he has a (D).

That would be the Biden policy of flying people into this country and it hasn't been won a case by case basis and it's something that has been mostly kept under wraps.
This applies to people who are already in the country and who have entered illegally.

#25 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Your desperation to express your hateful bigotry is disgusting

What you are claiming is that Biden is flying people from another country INTO America where (being IN America) they already are present illegally. You are plain stupid.

Parole into means only that it applies temporary legal status, i.e. the person cannot be deported and can get a work permit.

For people married to American citizens for over 10 years.

Please go parse some more language to inflict us with bigotry.

Based on that argument Biden could grant mass amnesty to EVERY person who is in this country illegally. Just like the student loan wealth transfer - he can transfer ALL of it, if he so chooses, because (D).

In both instances the only limitations are self Imposed.

I wasn't aware Biden was planning on breaking up these families. When did he make a move to do so?

#27 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You ------- dumbass, that is what this EO seeks to STOP.

This covers people who snuck into the country, maybe decades ago and are married to American citizens. Right now those people can be deported and cannot be lawfully employed.

This order seeks to STOP that deportation, you know, to keep families together.

You are both hateful AND stupid.

"How is this SIGNIFICANT public benefit?"

Huh?!?

These are families who have been in America for over 10 years. How is it not?

" Based on that argument Biden could grant mass amnesty to EVERY person who is in this country illegally"

Only those here over 10 years, and married to an American.

#GotHyperbole?

Executive orders are limited in scope and cannot usurp congressional lawmaking powers.

Well then you can stop hyperventilating about it.

" those on the left belleve POTUS has limitless power so long as he has a (D)."

That's silly. I'd be in favor if an (R) President did it.

Frankly, so would you.

FTA:

" The proposal, known as "Parole in Place," would also open up a pathway to permanent legal status and U.S. citizenship for some beneficiaries by removing an obstacle in U.S. law that prevents those who entered the U.S. illegally from obtaining green cards without leaving the country."

And

" Still, Mr. Biden has been arguing that he's acting unilaterally on immigration because Congress failed to pass that agreement, which was rejected by most Republican lawmakers. Political analysts also believe the "Parole in Place" policy could help Mr. Biden's chances of earning more support from Latino voters,especially those in mixed-status families that would benefit from the move"

How is this SIGNIFICANT public benefit?

Adds to the labor market
Prevents the break up of families.

If you need the public benefits of these 2 things, the you are hopeless.

" Only those here over 10 years, and married to an American.

#GotHyperbole?

#35 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2024-06-15 07:54 PM | FLAG: "

Those are self imposed restrictions. Essentially he's making his own law.

A president is enacting policies that will help him politically??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMPEACH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol the Republicans tried that with his immigration guy

" Biden's chances of earning more support from Latino voters,especially those in mixed-status families that would benefit from the move"

Wha???

Politicians doing stuff to HELP people?!?

THE NERVE!

He should stop with that malarkey, and give some tax cuts to the .1%

" This order seeks to STOP that deportation, you know, to keep families together.

You are both hateful AND stupid.

#33 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-06-15 07:52 PM | FLAG: "

Biden has not deported a single person that I'm aware of. And by deportion I'm talking about people who are already in the country - not people who got a couple hundred yards in and were turned back by border security.

Those are self imposed restrictions. Essentially he's making his own law.

#40 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No, he's not, he's interpreting the law.

Do you believe it is an urgent humanitarian need to NOT split up families of American citizens?

Keep in mind these families have been married for 10 years, the non-citizen has not been committing crimes.

Do you think that is just or unjust?

" Well then you can stop hyperventilating about it.

#36 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2024-06-15 07:55 PM | FLAG: "

Except this IS usurping congressional lawmaking. "If Congress won't give me what I want, I'll just do it anyway."

" Those are self imposed restrictions"

And reasonable, especially considering the community upheaval of mass deportations like that Felon is promising.

#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

In FY 2023, ICE removed 143,000 migrants"almost double the number in FY 2022 (72,000), but still well below the 234,000 average annual removals during Trump's term and 344,000 average annual removals under President Barack Obama.

Are you suggesting Biden implement a ------- proposed action of sending in the police, national guard and the army to round up undocumented immigrants?

" Do you believe it is an urgent humanitarian need to NOT split up families of American citizens?"

They are not at risk of being split up. is Biden threatening to split them up so he's saving them from himself?

He does not have a statutory obligation to deport any of these people.

" Except this IS usurping congressional lawmaking."

You're suggesting if Congress doesn't want to fix the problem, the president has no options.

You just don't like the fact that the president has options, and he's exercising them.

If Congress wants to act, nothing is stopping them.

Except this IS usurping congressional lawmaking. "If Congress won't give me what I want, I'll just do it anyway."

#45 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Does Biden have or not have the following statutory authority:

"in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such conditions as he may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any alien applying for admission to the United States."

Does Biden not have to interpret each word for meaning?

Is Biden not entitled to and does he not have the responsibility to interpret "urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit"

" Politicians doing stuff to HELP people?!?"

Maybe he should instruct the treasury to pay all of them $15K. That would certainly be helpful to those individuals.

They are not at risk of being split up. is Biden threatening to split them up so he's saving them from himself?
He does not have a statutory obligation to deport any of these people.

#48 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're ------- insane

People get deported all the ------- time, dumbass.

You are the one who criticizes him for not doing it and now you are arguing he doesn't have the authority.

" Is Biden not entitled to and does he not have the responsibility to interpret "urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit"

#50 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-06-15 08:05 PM | FLAG: "

On a "case by case" basis? Sure. Hundreds of thousands is NOT "case by case".

" Politicians doing stuff to HELP people?!?"
Maybe he should instruct the treasury to pay all of them $15K. That would certainly be helpful to those individuals.

#51 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Is there a statute that says he can do that? Like the student debt relief?

No? Then he can't

He can parole them, because that is what the statute says.

You're a ------- idiot.

Except this IS usurping congressional lawmaking.

Well then it won't get anywhere.

" You are the one who criticizes him for not doing it and now you are arguing he doesn't have the authority.
#52 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-06-15 08:07 PM | FLAG: "

Reread what I wrote. Obligation and authority are NOT the same thing. He has the authority to do it. He doesn't have a statutory obligation to do it. Meaning - deportation is discretionary.

I'm out for a while. Gotta make a late dinner and then drinks by the fire with some good friends.

On a "case by case" basis? Sure. Hundreds of thousands is NOT "case by case".

#53 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yes, dumbass, he established a condition that is now permitted for parole, those who have been married to an American citizen for 10 years. So, on a case-by-case basis everyone who meets that criteria has parole.

Same EXACT thing that was done in 2013 when the criteria was family of service members.

You are so desperate to express your hatred it's disgusting.

"On a "case by case" basis?

Sure.

In this case, 10 years, and married to an American. All who qualify, qualify.

Remind us: Did the Vietnam vets have to be pardoned individually?

He has the authority to do it. He doesn't have a statutory obligation to do it. Meaning - deportation is discretionary.
I'm out for a while. Gotta make a late dinner and then drinks by the fire with some good friends.

#56 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Biden is not -------. Biden upholds and defends the laws of the land. He deports people because the law says he has to

Chrit you're a ------- moron

This is not a pardon.

This is a parole

Immigration policy has numerous conditions, i.e. asylum, parole for families of service members. All this does is expand to one more category, married to citizens for 10 years

" Maybe he should instruct the treasury to pay all of them $15K."

Congratulations, you built a STRAWMAN!

See if that helps you learn the definition.

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyy Good for him.

@#51 ... Maybe he should instruct the treasury to pay all of them $15K. That would certainly be helpful to those individuals. ...

But he did not do that.

So, what does that simple fact say about the rest of the arguments your current alias presents here? Similarly made-up?

What else yer got?

Pardon happens when someone is convicted of a crime in court. That's not what this is.

#8 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-06-15 07:30 PM | REPLY

Pardons can happen even before a criminal indictment. Ford to Nixon for example.

@#64 ... Pardons can happen even before a criminal indictment. Ford to Nixon for example. ....

Sometimes I think that current alias is an excellent example of why Republicans want to dumb down education in the Country.

Jeffy seems to be symbolic of the fate of the Republican Base, the goal of the Republican Party; the intentional dumbing down of America.

@#66 ... the goal of the Republican Party; the intentional dumbing down of America. ...

I cannot disagree.

Yeow!

I haven't seen such a thorough beat down since my last piata party.

it just makes you wonder why he'd decide that it was the time to do this. if it was the thing to do, why not 3 years ago, why wait till right before the election? same with cannabis re-scheduling...election time

And you're right...HE"S NOT TRUMP. He's his own brand of disingenuous prevaricating transactional pol

"The time is always right to do what is right."
- Martin Luther King

Aiding and abetting foreign criminal lawbreakers

"Are you suggesting Biden implement a ------- proposed action of sending in the police, national guard and the army to round up undocumented immigrants?"

Sure, and deport them, just like Eisenhower did.

As an immigrant going through the legal process, this is BS.

All the lawyers, paperwork, time Before I came over

WTF.

He deports people because the law says he has to.
- liarhurts

This is an absolute lie, there are plenty of reports where people have crossed the border, got apprehended, should have been legally been deported and were not.

You mean the asylum seekers? Yes I am correct

You mean the asylum seekers? Yes I am correct...#75 POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

NO...Illegal Immigrants who "Present" as asylum seekers...and are just as valid as ACTUAL asylum seekers

makes as much sense in this case as it does in other matters where reason is ignored

THIS IS GREAT !!!

a campaign issue at the top....or just under the economy ( stupid ) for millions of people

and many more who were on the fence and it's provided by the brain dead vegetable and the

lefist-dogma klan klunks who support him.

and in addition it's also a terrific first thing for the new potus to throw out the window

on the first day....right before the ukraine money laundering ponzi scheme.

This is an absolute lie, there are plenty of reports where people have crossed the border, got apprehended, should have been legally been deported and were not.

#74 | Posted by oneironaut

it's just like the lie that jerks like "facehurts" sucks up about crime.

it's about who and how they count AND DON"T COUNT....and it's always false / faked or just plain BS.

One need not be a US Citizen to be pardoned by the POTUS. All that is required is the offense be that of a federal nature. He can't pardon for impeachments nor can he pardon for State crimes.

Republicans don't really care about gay, trans, bathrooms, etc.

They're just shiny social wedge issues they roll out to rile up their gullible rubes while more important problems - like gun control measures to ensure mentally ill people don't have them to shoot innocent kids and others, for instance - are fought tooth and nail by them.

If the government wanted to stop undocumented immigration then they could just start levying fines against those who employ them of $100K per violation and increase enforcement of labor laws.
That would put a real quick stop to much of it.
They won't do that though because their wealthy donors are the ones benefitting the most from it.

Joe Biden obviously represents the political incompetence, lack of ethics and basic ability that has led to the downfall of America for every youngster, oldster, and all Americans including his own children and even his undisciplined German Shepherds. Dishonesty and lying is a disease that inevitably hurts all of society. Our country has suffered which is truly sad for all, including citizens of all races and every ethnicity. Most believe they don't make leaders any worse except for Kamala. God Bless us and America! Trump isn't perfect but he will make America much greater as it was in his first term.

Just in time for the election. If your citizens aren't compliant, import new one. The "Great Replacement Theory" is a fact.

The "Great Replacement Theory" is a fact.

They're importing Jews?

One need not be a US Citizen to be pardoned by the POTUS. All that is required is the offense be that of a federal nature. He can't pardon for impeachments nor can he pardon for State crimes.

#79 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-06-16 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag

If I'm reading this correctly, you're going on record and saying entering the USA without passport or other documents, and not going through a port of entry is a crime?

The millions of people who've entered this country since Brandon took over were part of a plan. MOST of them didn't get here by themselves and it was never in the cards for them to leave. This is where we go through the same ---- Western Europe has been dealing with for the last decade.

And all the republicl0wns say:

"Ahhhhhhhhh this takes me back to the good old "Reagoon Amnesty" days... make UH-murika grate Uh-gin.

Oh wait... darn you to heck Joe Biden!

On a "case by case" basis?
#53 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Bellboy thinks this means Uncle Joe has to personally go over each file.

The millions of people who've entered this country since Brandon took over...
#86 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Good thing this EO doesn't affect any of them.

#89 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2024-06-17 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag

Do you suspect anything will happen to make them leave? I sure don't...

The "Great Replacement Theory" is a fact.

#83 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Maga Fuzzy logic. Magatonian math.

No one is getting "replaced".

When you add things to a set nothing in the set is "replaced". It is ADDED, making the set larger.

Though honestly I would not be opposed in theory to deporting one maga maroon for every immigrant that wants to enter. It would indeed make America a better country. But it's just not how things work in reality land.

Do you suspect...I sure don't...
#90 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

"And all the republicl0wns say:

"Ahhhhhhhhh this takes me back to the good old "Reagoon Amnesty" days... make UH-murika grate Uh-gin.

Oh wait... darn you to heck Joe Biden!"

Does it also take you to the days of Clinton who was working hard on ensuring our borders were secure and that the number of migrants entering did not exceed our capability to process them? Or, since that goes against your argument, will you continue to just call people names and demonize them for not being a sheep to your ideology?

Strange timing by the Biden administration. Just adds legitimacy to the fake border panic that is the centerpiece of Republican election strategy. I hope Biden's people know something i don't about how the electorate will respond to this.

It's good thing these migrants are only capable doing things like picking fruit and cleaning toilets and couldn't possibly do jobs Americans want to do. That would drive down wages.

Majority of Hispanics Now Favor Mass Deportation
www.newsweek.com

... A recent poll found that a majority of Hispanic people favor the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. illegally.

The CBS News/YouGov poll found that a majority of registered voters overall (62 percent) would favor the government starting "a new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. illegally." Thirty-eight percent said they would oppose it.

The survey polled 1,615 registered voters between June 5 and 7, and had a margin of error of 3.8 points.

Notably, the poll found that mass deportation was popular with Hispanics, with 53 percent saying they would favor such a program and 47 percent saying they would oppose it. White people were more supportive of mass deportations, with 67 percent saying they would support the program, and 33 percent saying they would oppose it. Among Black people, it was 47 percent in favor and 53 percent opposed. ...