This is a video, nearly 6 mins, and there's a Transcript.

(For the purposes of this Headline topic, it is assumed there is a Heaven... if you want to argue that, start a new thread. Thanks.)

It turns out Rev had a bit more to say about this:

"Don't Pee in the Water!"

Who's the Left's Alex Jones or Andrew Tate? Spoiler: They Don't Exist

#9 |

You keep saying that, and I keep wondering what it means... and if personal experience is universal.

Thanks for the thoughtful responses... I'm at the local Mexican restaurant picking up some heavenly enchiladas verdes. Talk later!

A lot of Christians in the Western church don't get that Jesus became the Sabbath and the Tabernacle (home) of God... and that now ALL the land is holy, not just Israel.

The "soul going to Heaven' was being taught in first century Palestine... but by Platonists, not Christians.

Christians taught the "new creation'; God returning to unite heaven and earth into one new earth.

('rapture' was the Greek word that was used a few hundred years earlier to describe the people of a town coming out to greet Alexander the Great and escort him and his army back to town... so he didn't think they would resist.)

#13 | Posted by horstngraben

A few seconds with Oxford's John Lennox (ck his wiki)

short

#14 | Posted by donnerboy

#25

Opinion noted.

And I won't ask you to prove a negative. Or to read #1.

#27

Have you ever considered anger management classes?

Or perhaps a few seconds with Oxford's Prof Emeritus of Pure Mathematics, aka Group Theory aka Abstract Algebra... will make make you think there might be other valid opinions than your own?

Obama Exposes INSANE Charlie Kirk VIDEO

Heliumrat doesn't know the Rapture from a hole in the ground...

('rapture' was the Greek word that was used a few hundred years earlier to describe the people of a town coming out to greet Alexander the Great and escort him and his army back to town... so he didn't think they would resist.)

#21 | Posted by Corky

It signifies going up and out to meet JC and escorting him back.

But give HR a break... he was raised by the Greys.

Speaking of AI...

AI Overview

N.T. Wright does not adhere to a standard pre-tribulation or post-tribulation rapture view; instead, he interprets Matthew 24 as referring to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD rather than a future, universal cosmic event.

He believes that the "second coming" of Christ is not a singular event but a gradual revelation of God's presence that began with the resurrection and ascension. Therefore, for Wright, the concept of a "rapture" before or after a tribulation period is not a central focus of his eschatology."

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- Riviera of the East

The Trump Gaza Riviera Palace Hotel and Casino... for which Israel is currently doing the Landscaping/Genocide.

In the story, the reason that the new Temple is the breaking point is that Jesus is now the Temple, the home of God, and, "There Can Be Only One!".

#48

It's two years old now, and there's lots more at the sight. Including "12 More Ways" and the more complicated 10 Horns, which ID's the 4th Reich... and it am us. (Pogo, sort of)

site, sheesh

- Bringing up science in the context of a Creator is rubbish.

Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Christopher Hitchens, and Sam Harris... on lines 1, 2, 3, and 4 for you.

The argument he made was logic, not science; would you trust your phone if you knew it was the, "result of a mindless, unguided process"?

#53

Agreed.

#58

Perhaps Quaaludes, then? Do they still make those, I wonder.

- bible myths

Ah, more opinions, eh? If you are going to have so many of them, it's a shame you are so opposed to other people having them, too.

I, for one, go out of my way to say things like, 'in the story' and such, just to try not to offend people who disagree with my opinions.

But then, I know mine are opinions, and tend not to get so angry and vile with those who happen not to agree.

- Why did he bring up scientists, specifically?

Perhaps because he's publicly debated all those now defunct 'New Atheists' I listed above.

- Windows? ----, no!

ha! I just looked at Debian and that's pretty cool.

I've been pissed about MAGA for years now if only because I can't wear my vintage Red Hat Linux cap now!

Argument-free opinions are the bestest kind!

AI Overview
47 Old Testament Prophecies About Jesus

Yes, the Old Testament contains passages considered prophetic of Jesus' crucifixion, notably Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53, which describe the Messiah suffering, being pierced, and dying for humanity's sins.

The New Testament interprets these passages as fulfillments of prophecy, with details like the division of garments, pierced hands and feet, and suffering for iniquities aligning with the crucifixion account. Other passages, such as Zechariah 12:10 and the price of betrayal, are also seen as prophecies fulfilled in Jesus' experience.

Key Passages
Psalm 22: Written centuries before crucifixion was invented, this psalm describes a first-person account of suffering, including being surrounded by villains, having hands and feet pierced, and having clothes divided by casting lots"all details paralleled in the crucifixion of Jesus.
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- If MAGA all stuck a Bible up their ass, maybe they'd understand it better through osmosis.
#66 | Posted by horstngraben

That's fair. -)

#72

Thanks for your opinions.... of course, we know what those are like, and everyone has one.

I would suggest you ck the links in #65 for some actual history, according to actual historians, however.

ALSO for some love and understanding rather than hate-filled rants:

"What do you think about the Right's "This is WAR!" declaration?

Rev Ed Trevors"

#76

You answer historians, secular and non-Christian historians, with claims sans any historical evidence.

And you seem to believe that theism is worse than atheism, to which the millions who died in the last century under Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot might beg to differ.

Now, I'm sorry that you seem to think that all Christians are MAGA and that the message of love and hope and eternal life from most of the world's Christians is Fake News, but it's just as legit a philosophical position as any other.

And your thought process on miracles is circular:

#80

I really loved Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell's sessions... on PBS, I think it was. Great stuff.

#83

cool, thanks!

- religion is a cancer on society

And atheism in Russia, China, and Cambodia in the last century was a blessing?

Theism or atheism can, is, and will be used by certain people for good or evil purposes; making one or the other the scapegoat for all evil is ignorant and dishonest.

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But so tell me, how did the people in the Iron Age, not the Bronze Age, of the OT predict the way and manner of the death of a particular person 700 years before it happened, and several centuries before the method of the death was invented?

per #65

- Ditch part where you they hate in the Other.

Never heard that part.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you". - JC

- the "eternal Life" thing ?

If spent on the Retort, I could see your concern!

Time, it is often said, is a human concept. Eternity seems to be more an observation of the universe as we know it.

- when you hate on gays and say they should be stoned like the Bible says that's an example of Christianity "hating on the Other".

That's the OT... the NT says not to judge other people, and if you do, you will also be judged with the same judgement you use.

Or as Walz said, mind your own damn business!

- eternal life jesus said

meh... eternity is timelessness is it not?

Here's a new translation of a book that people have a hard time reading, by prolly the foremost NT scholar of our day: