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The shutdown ended after a small group of Democrats made a deal with GOP senators who promised a vote by mid-December on extending the Affordable Care Act subsidies. But there is no guaranteed outcome, and many Republicans have made clear they want the credits to expire. https://to.pbs.org/4oEUemx

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"There's another reason Van Drew is worrying.

Time is running short and he said GOP leaders have been tight-lipped on their plans:

"A lot of members haven't seen any of this."

"He isn't the only one sounding the alarm. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia " who has drawn the ire of Trump himself for her criticism of the party " has been repeatedly warning of a health care catastrophe of the GOP's own making if Congress doesn't act.

"Here's my problem. Republicans have never fixed it," Greene said of Obamacare in an interview with "The Sean Spicer Show."

She said Republicans need to act to make sure "the American people aren't driving 80 miles per hour off a brick wall and hitting a financial crisis which is what's actually happening."

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Republicans pushing Gramma off the cliff in her wheelchair yet again.

This time we need a Public Option, but that will take a Blue Wave.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-14 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Go die in the ditch", isn't acceptable?

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-14 10:48 AM | Reply

What about, "Well, we all are going to die. For heaven's sakes, folks," go find a ditch to die in.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-14 10:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

They're "scrambling"?

Jesus.

Trump must be effed.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-14 10:52 AM | Reply

Nothing like waiting till the last possible minute to do your assignment.

God knows it's gonna be good!

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-11-14 10:53 AM | Reply

The Republicans have been swear-to-gawd promising they're on the verge of inveiling an improved alternative to Obamacare.
For 15 years now.
That's how long they've been working on this dazzling piece of legislation.
And what have they produced?
An obese, overly tarted-up dementia sufferer burping out "Concept of a plan."
Still ...
No concept.
No plan.
They are not serious about a "plan."
They are serious about screwing you over, though.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-11-14 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There will be a bloodbath in 2026.

The Republicans will lose both houses of Congress.

Maybe some Governorships.

Good Times Ahead.

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-14 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

FTA:
"We're pulling together the best ideas that we can, in the quickest fashion, to bring premiums down," Speaker Mike Johnson told reporters Wednesday"

It's only been 15 years, give them another 2 weeks.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-14 12:08 PM | Reply

"We're pulling together the best ideas that we can, in the quickest fashion, to bring premiums down,"

Their "best" idea to date:

Send folks $2000 to cover their $7000 increase. (According to Republican Math, that covers it)

The ideas they WON'T embrace:

Eliminate the insurance middlemen.
Create a Public Option.
Price increase caps for the medical industry.

What WILL happen:

McInsurance, with a side of Gaslighting how great it is.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-14 12:15 PM | Reply

Why do they need one?


Republicans pushing Gramma off the cliff in her wheelchair yet again.
~Corky

Why would they submit one when this would be the Democrat reply.
As someone infamously stated "You brake it, you bought it".

Democrats should have fixed it under Biden/Pelosi. But they didn't, why? My guess is either they also don't have a plan, or Pelosi was heavily invested in healthcare companies.


They are serious about screwing you over, though.
#6 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

Unlike the unserious people that supported ACA? Where the premiums have been hidden via subsidies and are now outrageously going non-linear.

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-14 01:04 PM | Reply

The Republicans will lose both houses of Congress.

They will, but it won't be due to healthcare insurance, but due the economy in general.

Nither party is willing to do what needs to be done about the inflation and the debt servicing.

Hint: Raising taxes won't help the problem, if it did the US wouldn't be in this situation.

#11 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-11-14 01:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- my guess

Is worthless as usual.

Republicans would have filibustered any fix.

This isn't China with one party rule.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-14 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#11

---- off ------, no one was talking to you.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-11-14 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11

Raising taxes absolutely will fix it. Bring back the 90% bracket for the rich!

#14 | Posted by DarkVader at 2025-11-15 10:05 PM | Reply

@#9 ... The ideas they WON'T embrace:

Eliminate the insurance middlemen.
Create a Public Option.
Price increase caps for the medical industry.

What WILL happen:

McInsurance, with a side of Gaslighting how great it is. ...

Spot on.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-15 10:15 PM | Reply

OK, I originally went to my "Trump quote" file to retrieve some of his healthcare quote.

But the few oter quotes on different topics also seen to be screaming, "pick me, pick me!" So here's the bunch of 'em ...

...
Candidate Trump on golf:

February 4, 2016
I love golf... but if I were in the White House ... I'd just want to stay in the White House and work my ass off.

March 14, 2016
If you're here at the White House, and you have so much work to do, why do you fly? Why do you leave so much?

August 6, 2016
I'm going to be working for you, I'm not going to have time to be playing golf.

August 25, 2016
I won't be playing golf.

Candidate Trump on healthcare:

May 21, 2015
I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

Sept 25, 2015
Everybody's got to be covered.

Feb 17, 2016
We're going to have great plans. They're going to be much less expensive and they're going to be much better.

Oct 25, 2016
You're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it is going to be so easy.

Nov 13, 2016
It will be better healthcare, much better for less money. Not a bad combination.

"I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid."
-- Trump to the Daily Signal in May 2015

"We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me. We will save $'s and have much better healthcare!"
-- Trump tweet in February 2016
...


Continued ... (due to 4k character limit ...)


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-15 10:20 PM | Reply

... continued from prior comment ...

...

Pres-elect Trump on healthcare:

"We're going to have insurance for everybody ... There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."
-- Pres-elect Trump to the Washington Post in January 2017

Pres Trump on healthcare:

"Our healthcare plan will lower premiums & deductibles -- and be great healthcare!"
-- Trump tweet in May 2017

Candidate Trump on deal-making

June 16, 2015 - we need a leader that wrote the Art of the Deal

October 14, 2015 - I will negotiate deals that nobody can negotiate like I do. Nobody is going to be able to do the kind of things I can do.

December 3, 2015 - I believe, because I'm a deal-maker, I believe that I can put both sides together.

Trump on classified docs

August 18, 2016 - In my Administration, I am going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.
(
www.politico.com )

September 6, 2016 - ...one of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules, and enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information..
( thehill.com )

Trump on Shutdown under Pres Obama

9/30/13 - Who gets fired? It always has to be the top. Problems start from the top and have to get solved from the top. The President's the leader. Five years, 50 years, a 100 years from now, when they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the President of the United States and who was the President at that time.

4/7/11 - If there was a shutdown, I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the President of the United States. I hear the Democrats are going to be blamed, and the Republicans are going to be blamed. I actually think the President would be blamed.

4/7/11 - I'm a deal man. I made hundreds and hundreds of deals and transactions. He never did deals before. How can you expect a man that is not a deal man, that never did a deal, other than, frankly, becoming President of the United States. He never did a deal. How is he going to corral all these people? I'd get everybody together, and we'd have a budget. The President of the United States has to get this done. The shutdown is pretty said because the whole world is looking at us and laughing at us.

...


#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-15 10:21 PM | Reply

September 10, 2024 - "I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now, but if we come up with something, I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive," Trump said during a presidential debate with Vice President Kamala Harris. "There are concepts and options we have to do that, and you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future,"

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-15 10:30 PM | Reply

@#18

thx for that update.

More...

Trump said he has 'concepts' of a health care plan. What we know about his policies (September 11. 2024)
abcnews.go.com

... Health care was one of the topics at the forefront of Tuesday night's debate between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris.

Trump said he was interested in replacing the Affordable Care Act -- also known as "Obamacare" -- but implied that he didn't have any specific plans in place.

"Obamacare was lousy health care. Always was," Trump said. "It's not very good today and, what I said, that if we come up with something, we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it."

When asked by ABC News moderator Linsey Davis to clarify if he had a health care plan, the former president said he had "concepts of a plan" to replace the ACA but provided no details.

"If we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people, our population, less money and be better health care than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it," Trump said.

"But if we come up with something, I would only change it if we come up with something better and less expensive," he said later in the debate. "And there are concepts and options we have to do that. And you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future." ...


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-15 11:27 PM | Reply

OK, so now, here we are in late 2025.

Where are the "... great plans. They're going to be much less expensive and they're going to be much better." that Pres Trump originally talked about back in 2016?

It's been nearly a decade.

Where are those great health plans?

And how will they be much less expensive and much better?




#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-15 11:31 PM | Reply

Where are those great health plans?

It's always possible he was just lying, in order to win the election.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-15 11:44 PM | Reply

@#21 ... It's always possible he was just lying, in order to win the election. ...

I'd proffer, regarding Pres Trump, that he was lying because that is all he knows how to do.

That is, he was not just lying to get elected, but he was lying because lying is all he can do when he speaks.

The sad part is how much the MAGA aficionados have bought into those lies, and still believe them.



#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-16 12:09 AM | Reply

@#22 ... The sad part is how much the MAGA aficionados have bought into those lies, and still believe them. ...

Reminds me of the old pre-DSotM soundtrack Pink Floyd song ...

Pink Floyd - Childhood's End (1972)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics and Composition
en.wikipedia.org(Pink_Floyd_song)

...
Lyrics and composition

"Childhood's End" is about the stress and pressure of becoming an adult and being faced with difficult decisions on one's own.
...


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-16 12:18 AM | Reply

he was lying because that is all he knows how to do.

Fair point. He might not even know he's doing it.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-16 12:32 AM | Reply

@#24 ... He might not even know he's doing it. ...

I've oft wondered if Pres Trump knows when he is lying, or whether it may be so ingrained in him, that he has not a clue when he does it.


#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-16 12:38 AM | Reply

Another pre-DSotM soundtrack Pink Floyd song appeared on a playlist here ...

Pink Floyd - Cymbaline (1969)
www.youtube.com

en.wikipedia.org

... "Cymbaline" is a Pink Floyd song from the album Soundtrack from the Film More.[1][2]

Lyrics

Its lyrics vividly tell the tale of a "nightmare", which was the title of the song when it was first introduced in Floyd's The Man and The Journey Tour shows. The lyrics include a reference to the character Doctor Strange, who was popular at the time due to the psychedelic nature of his adventures and who had appeared on the cover of their previous album A Saucerful of Secrets. ...


Yeah, the pre-DSotM Pink Floyd albums, when Pink Floyd was doing a lot of soundtrack work, were quite interesting.

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-16 12:43 AM | Reply

I've oft wondered if Pres Trump knows when he is lying, or whether it may be so ingrained in him

I think he just says whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear at any given moment. Reality be damned.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-16 12:45 AM | Reply

@#27 ... I think he just says whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear at any given moment. Reality be damned. ...

My first though upon reading your comment, yeah, that may be correct. Or not.

But after taking a step back, I'd tend to agree.

Pres Trump wants unfettered obsequious adulation, and how to attain that? Simple, tell people what they want to hear. They'll love you for that (case in point, FoxNews).

#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-16 01:03 AM | Reply

Where are those great health plans?

Obamacare's Five Broken Promises That Made Health Care Even Worse

Broken Promise #1 " You Can Keep Your Plan

Up to 9.3 million people lost their coverage during the first open enrollment period.
President Obama personally apologized for Americans losing health coverage.
Politifact named "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," the Lie of the Year for 2013.

Broken Promise #2 " You Can Keep Your Doctor

As many as 214,000 doctors opted out of participating in Obamacare exchange plans.
CNN declared President Obama's claim that "You can keep your own doctor" false.
Obamacare's website revised and then dropped the section entitled, "Can I keep my own doctor?"

Broken Promise #3 " Your Premiums Will Go Down by $2,500

Premiums increased by about 60% in the first four years.
Insurance premium amounts varied in increase from $2,524 for an individual between the ages of 31 and 40 to $12,040 for a family headed by someone over age 60.

Broken Promise #4 " You'll Have More Access to Care

Hundreds of thousands of health care providers opted-out of Obamacare exchange plans.
Studies show that instead of going to a doctor's office for care, people continued to use emergency rooms for non-emergencies.
Over half of the of the uninsured in 2018 were eligible for financial assistance through Medicaid or marketplace subsidies but chose not to be covered.
Access to insurance does not equate to having access to care.

Broken Promise #5 " Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Will Be Protected

Obamacare did not protect patients from bankruptcy. Research from a left-leaning organization found no evidence Obamacare reduced the proportion of bankruptcies driven by medical debt.
Obamacare did not protect patients from dying. A 2019 study found there was no reduction in mortality for those that participated in Obamacare, meaning that enrollment in Obamacare had the same impact as having other forms of coverage or no coverage at all.

#29 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 01:01 PM | Reply

"Here's my problem. Republicans have never fixed it,"

Doctor Strange is always changing sides

#30 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 01:03 PM | Reply

Are we ready to admit that Obamacare was never a viable plan and could only exist with additional subsidies?
This acceptance may facilitate the implementation of a better plan. ACA needs to be scrapped completely.
ACA was generated by insurance lobbyists and no one (lawmaker) even read it, it was 17K pages if I remember correctly, also no one was allowed to take a copy home.

I suggest we use the remaining 2025 to craft a completely new scheme, instead of trying to artificially extend the lifespan of the vampire that is Obamacare.

#31 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 01:18 PM | Reply

"AI
The statement that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was the best healthcare program Democrats could get in the face of Republican opposition reflects a widely held view among political analysts and participants at the time.

Unified Republican Opposition: Not a single Republican in the House or Senate voted for the final version of the ACA. This made bipartisan consensus on more ambitious reforms, such as a public option or single-payer system, politically impossible.

Legislative Hurdles: The Democrats initially had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, but they lost it with the election of Republican Scott Brown in early 2010.

This required Democrats to use the budget reconciliation process for subsequent changes to the bill, which only required 50 votes but limited the scope of what could be included.

Historical Context: Every Democratic president since Truman had attempted some form of universal healthcare, with limited success.

The ACA was seen as a significant, albeit imperfect, step forward in expanding coverage, cutting the uninsured rate in half since its passage.

In short, the ACA was a product of a complex and highly partisan legislative battle, representing a series of political and procedural compromises necessary to pass any major healthcare legislation in the face of intense opposition"

more

www.google.com

Actual history, not unattributed Rwing Memes.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-16 01:20 PM | Reply

Full repeal

#33 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-11-16 01:21 PM | Reply

I suggest we use the remaining 2025 to craft a completely new scheme

Lewzer has come up with nothing in 15 years and he's going to do it in the remaining 16 working days of 2025?

#34 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-16 01:22 PM | Reply

The enhanced subsidies, also known as enhanced premium tax credits, have been available since the Biden administration passed them in 2021 and extended them in 2022. They are scheduled to expire at the end of 2025.

How are the 'enhanced premium tax credits' suddenly a do-or-die issue? What happened before 2021, when Biden pulled the pin and rolled it into the subsequent administration?

My take: they planned to make a Big Deal out of this from the start (2021), to sab0tage the subsequent administration.
Same as the 'temporary deferred' immigrant status, also set to 1gnite after the perps fled the scene.. Dirty tricks and traps.

#35 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 01:26 PM | Reply

Pink Floyd - Embryo
www.youtube.com

This song gives me ASMR feeling / possible flashback

#36 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 01:35 PM | Reply

#34 | Posted by REDIAL

Healthcare in Canada is delivered through the provincial and territorial systems of publicly funded health care, informally called Medicare. It is guided by the provisions of the Canada Health Act of 1984, and is universal.

Just put everyone on medicare. Done.

#37 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 01:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Hint: Raising taxes won't help the problem"

Will extending expiring tax giveaways help? Or will they exacerbate the problem???

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-16 01:39 PM | Reply

Just put everyone on medicare. Done.
#37 | POSTED BY IDENYITALL

That's hilarious.

The "Medicare for All Act" is a bill routinely co-sponsored by a significant number of House and Senate Democrats. The 2025 House version (H.R. 3069) and Senate version (S. 1506) aim to create a federal health insurance program that would eliminate most private insurance as a primary coverage option.

The democrats started supporting Medicare for all in ernest since 2016.

Perhaps you have been living in a cave or in a van under a bridge since then?

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-11-16 01:47 PM | Reply

"Just put everyone on medicare. Done."

Easier said than...done.

Medicare would lie in the 70-80 percentile range of plans in terms of quality and coverage. Folks who have Cadillac Plans would have to step down in their overall care. Plus, Medicare only covers about 80%, so that would have to be dealt with, as a lot of Cadillac Plans cover 90% or more.

Also, boutique versions would probably cease. The Union that covers dancers, for example, has a health plan with 16 visits to the chiropractor in a year.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-16 01:51 PM | Reply

"How are the 'enhanced premium tax credits' suddenly a do-or-die issue?"

Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste is how.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-16 01:51 PM | Reply

"Medicare would lie in the 70-80 percentile range of plans in terms of quality and coverage. Folks who have Cadillac Plans would have to step down in their overall care."

There's an easy fix for that too.
Let the people who can afford Cadillacs pay extra for their supplemental Cadillac plans.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-16 01:53 PM | Reply

AI Overview
Hillary Clinton's 1993 health care plan, officially the Health Security Act (H.R. 3600, S. 1757), was a comprehensive, but ultimately unsuccessful, proposal for universal health coverage for all Americans. The plan aimed to control costs, guarantee security, and restructure the health insurance market through "managed competition".
Key Provisions of the Plan

www.google.com

nowhere near perfect, but way before it's time... ck out Outcomes section

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-16 01:55 PM | Reply

"Full repeal"

That's been said for 15 years straight. It usually was accompanied by the word "Replace".

What have you got?

OR DO YOU NEED ANOTHER TWO WEEKS???

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-16 01:57 PM | Reply

The statement that the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was the best healthcare program Democrats could get in the face of Republican opposition reflects a widely held view among political analysts and participants at the time.

#32 | Posted by Corky
The Democrats were in complete control, and there was no filibuster.
They could have passed anything they wanted.

Affordable Care Act (ACA) enacted on March 23, 2010.

111th United States Congress
110th
' 112th
United States Capitol (2009)
January 3, 2009 " January 3, 2011
Members 100 senators
435 representatives
6 non-voting delegates
Senate majority Democratic
Senate President Dick Cheney (R)[a]
(until January 20, 2009)
Joe Biden (D)
(from January 20, 2009)
House majority Democratic
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D)

#45 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 01:58 PM | Reply

"Legislative Hurdles: The Democrats initially had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, but they lost it with the election of Republican Scott Brown in early 2010."

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-16 02:02 PM | Reply

Of course, Citizens United and the coming Dark Money was also 2010, and there were more than a few Dems ready to sell out to the Corporations along with almost all the Republicans.

So they didn't need a Weatherman to tell which way the wind was blowing.(apologies to Bobby D.)

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-16 02:09 PM | Reply

"The Democrats were in complete control, and there was no filibuster.
They could have passed anything they wanted."

Republicans are in complete control right now.

They could pass anything they want.

Which means, what we're getting right now, it's what Republicans want.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-16 02:19 PM | Reply

"The Democrats were in complete control, and there was no filibuster. They could have passed anything they wanted."

You're pretending there would've been no Dem blowback to M4A.

Fact is, had that been the option, a half-dozen HUGE groups would've suddenly galvanized against it...including hospitals, insurance companies (and Reps from insurance-heavy states, like New York or Illinois), and everyone with current plans in the 80th-99th percentile..

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-16 02:19 PM | Reply

"what we're getting right now, it's what Republicans want."

It's TrumpCare. Subsidies for Argentina, but not for you.

And have you heard their slogan? Only the weak will fail!

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-11-16 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They could pass anything they want.

Which means, what we're getting right now, it's what Republicans want.

#48 | Posted by snoofy

They could pass anything they want.
(Except a continuing resolution.)

#51 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 04:11 PM | Reply

Fact is, had that been the option, a half-dozen HUGE groups would've suddenly galvanized against it...including hospitals, insurance companies (and Reps from insurance-heavy states, like New York or Illinois), and everyone with current plans in the 80th-99th percentile..

#49 | Posted by Danforth

The side with the most bribes usually wins, but the pols will take money from both sides and for one it's always "We did everything we could! (no refunds)"

I'm looking forward to the Hemp vs MJ battle. The cashflak will be popping like my tasty popcorn!
-The U.S. legal marijuana market size is valued at USD 25.06 billion in 2025
-$28 Billion Hemp Industry Faces Extinction With Government Re-Opening.
Which side will Big Alky come in on?

#52 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 04:18 PM | Reply

$63,699,810
Total from Finance, Insurance & Real Estate PACs to candidates, 2009-2010
$30,048,844
To Democrats
$33,373,766
To Republicans
469 PACs

Plus side bets:
Health insurers last year gave the U.S. Chamber of Commerce $86.2 million that was used to oppose the health-care overhaul law, according to tax records and people familiar with the donation.
Bloomberg News November 23, 2010
The Hedge is bigger than the Pot!
Winner of the 'No Refunds' prize! lol

#53 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 04:25 PM | Reply

$248,141,620
Total Spent on Pharmaceuticals/Health Products, 2010
516
Number of Clients
1,670 (64.19%)
Number of Lobbyists/Percent of Former Government Employees ?more info

www.opensecrets.org
.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/industries/summary?cycle=2010&id=h04

Nov 18, 2009 " For all federal elections, the health sector donated more to Democrats (54%) than to Republicans (46%)
www.nejm.org
paywalll

#54 | Posted by idenyitall at 2025-11-16 04:33 PM | Reply

"Nov 18, 2009 " For all federal elections, the health sector donated more to Democrats (54%) than to Republicans (46%)"

Willing to bet there's something like 54% of Health Insurance market cap in Blue States and 46% in Red States.

All this number shows is both sides are Capitalist, in roughly equal measure.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-16 04:54 PM | Reply

Both Slaves To Capital.

It's Sad,Really.

Money buys access and accommodation.

Policy,if you will.

They're getting Representation. No question.

Everyone Else,the General Public?

No Way.

Oligarchy means Never Having to Say You're Sorry.

#56 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-11-16 05:00 PM | Reply

Democrats are just cheaper to buy, lol.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-16 05:01 PM | Reply

Universal single payer stat.

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-11-16 05:25 PM | Reply

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