"The nation's 250th birthday is an invitation to consider what made the American experiment unique in the first place."

Racial Slavery

"the most impoverished districts receive the most funding."

It's the opposite -- obviously -- since the local property tax base is the single largest source of public school funding.

JeffJ lives to lie.

JeffJ is an Alternative Facts Brownshirt.

20 posts about education. How many from actual parents or actual educators?
#21 | Posted by eberly

Anyone with half an education knows "American Exceptionalism" is a White Nationalist myth, not an educational concept.

#2. Public education IS the problem here. And the most impoverished districts receive the most funding.
#3 | Posted by BellRinger

And that's why your problem isn't with public education, per se.
Your problem is that a tiny amount of Federal tax dollars are funding a small part of a poor person's public education.

"So one bad student ruins education for the majority."

That's literally your role here.
To ruin discussions between honest people with your covert agenda.

Eberly tapped out "SSI" in Morse Code at the end of his comment.

Must be a reference to the few remaining Greatest Generation (another pandering construct) who are still alive and collecting Social Security.

"Does anyone care to address the core problem and how it gets fixed?"

That was addressed broadly last Tuesday. Republicans are the problem, according to voters.

Starting with Low IQ Voters who don't even know how public schools are funded.

The Party that says Americans have no Civic Duty -- except maybe to show up if they get drafted -- wants to lecture us on Civics.

The Party that's made it harder for Americans to exercise their Civic Right of Voting throughout my life -- wants to lecture us on Civics.

"JeffJ Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda!"
--Sir Mixalot, probably

Does anyone care to address the core problem and how it gets fixed? A failure to educate our children in civics.
#47 | Posted by BellRinger

You, personally, oppose teaching any American history that might lead kids to think America did something bad, in case that makes them feel bad about America.

You've undergone a complete moral collapse since around the time you believe the frat guy. The one who said the Dixie flag on his wall stands for something other than racism. You failed civics at that moment in your life, and you've never recovered.

Get people like you out of the business of education. Get people like you from children's minds, and things will get better.

Religion is banned from public education, except for a some Islam.
Try again.
#62 | Posted by BellRinger

Meanwhile, back in reality:
Texas law requires the display of the Ten Commandments in the classroom.

You said you wanted a discussion, people open up a topic, you tell them "try again."
You don't want a discussion.
You want to shout down other people's ideas.

"Civics was a class that used to be required before you could graduate from high school. You were taught what was in the U.S. Constitution. And after all the student rebellions in the Sixties, civics was banished from the student curriculum and was replaced by something called social studies. Here we live in a country that has a fabulous constitution and these guarantees, a contract between the citizens and the government -- nobody knows what's in it... And so, if you don't know what your rights are, how can you stand up for them? And furthermore, if you don't know what's in the document, how can you care if someone is shredding it?"
--Frank Zappa

You never actually address what is linked. It's all narrative based for you and your ilk.
#60 | Posted by BellRinger

What is linked doesn't address that the anti-Immigration anti-Muslim anti-Trans anti-African beliefs that are the core of the American Right Wing are profoundly anti-American values.

You decry the lack of civics, while participating and propagandizing a profoundly anti-civic political movement.

You, and people like you, will continue to be the problem, long after you're dead.

"Which has ZERO to do with the thread topic"

Complete abrogation of civics is the reason Trump is President.
We let a Felon run for President.
We let that felonious President violate the Emoluments Clause on a daily basis.
By "we" I mean Republicans in Congress.

You won't respond to these facts because you know I'm right.

Civics -- or rather, the lack thereof -- is ICE policy.
Just another thing JeffJ is too chicken to comment on.

president lying about how our elections work
#77 | Posted by truthhurts

Lying is all conservatives have left.

If conservatives become convinced they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy. The stability of American society depends on conservatives' ability to find a way forward from the Trump dead end, toward a conservatism that can not only win elections but also govern responsibly, a conservatism that is culturally modern, economically inclusive, and environmentally responsible.
--David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of The American Republic

"It's a problem that I'd like to think would concern both the right and left."

Facts don't support what you'd like to think.

ICE disregards civics every day.
Trump disregards civics every day.
You disregard those facts every day.

I can't even wrap my mind around the anger, rage and abject hatred you people carry around.
#79 | Posted by BellRinger

Your anger runs far deeper.
Anger is the basis for everything you believe.
For example, you think it's bad for America when a drag queen reads stories to children in a public library.

"Republicans have been attacking public education for a terrible ROI"

Republicans are tearing down public education, but not providing anything to replace it.
This is how the anger I'm talking about is made manifest.
By destroying things.

"Republicans have supported school choice and even vouchers so parents have options as to where their children go to school."

School choice, as a practical matter, amounts robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's a zero sum game.

Vouchers, on the other hand, are a direct attack on public schools. I'll believe vouchers are a serious solution when Republicans pass a law saying every school must accept every voucher, just as every public school must accept every student. You know why Republicans won't require that.

Private schools that can and do discriminate who they accept. Public schools cannot do that. Vouchers is a policy designed to leave the "undesired" children behind, in schools with even less funding. It's an attack both on public schools, and on students that private schools choose to discriminate against. And you don't dare respond to any of this. Because you know I'm right.

I'll end with this: It comes as no surprise that you created this thread, ostensibly bemoaning the lack of civics education, so you could propagandize anti-democratic un-civic Vouchers.

CRT is about victim hierarchy.
#94 | Posted by BellRinger

You have no idea what CRT is.

Civics class teaches that slaves gave the Southern states extra representation in Congress.

CRT class teaches that Southern states getting extra representation in Congress is an example of institutionalized racism.

If teaching this makes white kids hate themselves, the blame belongs to the white slave owners who deliberately founded our republic to be structurally racist.

as if THAT is the reason why civics isn't being taught in our public schools.
#86 | Posted by BellRinger

Republicans are the reason civics isn't being taught to ICE agents.

In fact, ICE agents are being taught the things they might have learned in civics class are wrong. Things like a warrant needs to be signed by a judge, before police can search a home, under the Fourth Amendment

ICE rejects that core civic responsibility of the State, and so do you.

"I sure as hell do know what it is."

No, you really don't.

Critical theory is a tool to understand society not from the limited perspective of individual actors, but from the broad perspective of institutional actors.

Critical theory sees the forest, when you can only ever see trees.

Your way of thinking denies the forest exists.

Even when Three-Fifths of the forest is spelled out in the Constitution, you still deny it's there.

That's because you're a bad faith actor.