Monday, February 10, 2025

5 Former Treasury Secretaries: Our Democracy Is Under Siege

Fiver former Treasury Secretaries write a column for the New York Times warning that our democracy is being attacked: "The nation's payment system has historically been operated by a very small group of nonpartisan career civil servants. In recent days, that norm has been upended, and the roles of these nonpartisan officials have been compromised by political actors from the so-called Department of Government Efficiency."

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"Any hint of the selective suspension of congressionally authorized payments will be a breach of trust and ultimately, a form of default," five former U.S. Treasury secretaries write. "And our credibility, once lost, will prove difficult to regain."[image or embed]

" New York Times Opinion (@nytopinion.nytimes.com) February 10, 2025 at 8:25 AM

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More: These political actors have not been subject to the same rigorous ethics rules as civil servants, and one has explicitly retained his role in a private company, creating at best the appearance of financial conflicts of interest. They lack training and experience to handle private, personal data " like Social Security numbers and bank account information. Their power subjects America's payments system and the highly sensitive data within it to the risk of exposure, potentially to our adversaries. And our critical infrastructure is at risk of failure if the code that underwrites it is not handled with due care. That is why a federal judge this past weekend blocked, at least temporarily, these individuals from the Treasury's payments system, noting the risk of "irreparable harm."

While significant data privacy, cybersecurity and national security threats are gravely concerning, the constitutional issues are perhaps even more alarming. We take the extraordinary step of writing this piece because we are alarmed about the risks of arbitrary and capricious political control of federal payments, which would be unlawful and corrosive to our democracy.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2025-02-10 10:07 AM

More still: The role of the Treasury Department " and of the executive branch more broadly " is not to make determinations about which promises of federal funding made by Congress it will keep, and which it will not. As Justice Brett Kavanaugh of the Supreme Court previously wrote, "Even the president does not have unilateral authority to refuse to spend the funds." Chief Justice John Roberts agrees: He wrote that "no area seems more clearly the province of Congress than the power of the purse."

During our collective 18 years at the helm of the Treasury, we never were asked to stop congressionally appropriated funds from being paid out in full. Not since the Nixon administration has this type of executive action been contemplated. At that time, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the president did not have the power to withhold federal funds that Congress had authorized.

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2025-02-10 10:09 AM

Is this the equivalent of 50 former intelligence officers?


At that time, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the president did not have the power to withhold federal funds that Congress had authorized.

Which funds are being withheld?

Just a reminder, this is how slippery slopes work.

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-10 10:50 AM

Someone shake the members of the Supreme Court to see if they are still breathing!

#4 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-10 10:50 AM

Sounds to me that someone is afraid of being held accountable to where all the $$$ is going. They have to protect their collegues phoney baloney jobs.

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-02-10 11:01 AM

Is this the equivalent of 50 former intelligence officers?

In that stupid piles of s&^% like you will completely distort the point? Yes.

Which funds are being withheld?

Just a reminder, this is how slippery slopes work.

#3 | Posted by oneironaut

What slippery slope? And nice disingenuous question, wonton.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 11:05 AM

Sounds to me that someone is afraid of being held accountable to where all the $$$ is going.

Why do people think this simpleton take is even worth voicing? It says more about the inherent dishonesty and untrustworthiness of the speaker than anything else.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 11:07 AM

And why all the secrecy?

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it."

JFK said that in regard to the USSR and foreign entities. It has relevance now to government waste and fraud.

#8 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-02-10 11:07 AM

#7

Because government fraud and corruption are real except in the milquetoast mind of a Pollyanna.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-02-10 11:10 AM

Because government fraud and corruption are real except in the milquetoast mind of a Pollyanna.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Very few are naive enough to say they're not.

But being a faux jaded simpleton who thinks it's more prevalent than it is is either stupidity or lazy thinking.

Thinking that 5 former officials making an extremely obvious point are only doing it because ddduuuuhhhhhh HeLdZ aCcOunYabLesXZZ!!! is both.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 11:13 AM

JPollyannaW?

And here I thought the P was for -----.

Lee is anything other than a simpleton.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 11:22 AM

"Sounds to me that someone is afraid of being held accountable to where all the $$$ is going. "

This isn't about anyone's fear of being held accountable except unelected private citizens, like Musk, having the power to fire anyone he doesn't like or anyone unwilling to sign a loyalty to Donald Trump oath. Normal accountability is expected and embraced as necessary by civil servants; civil servants though, are supposed to be shielded from political purges of employees as Trump/Musk are doing.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-10 11:28 AM

Lee is anything other than a simpleton.

#11 | Posted by Corky

Maybe not.

But regurgitating simpleton nonsense isn't suggesting otherwise.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 11:42 AM

#13

It's ok... you are right about INut being a slippery slope.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 11:45 AM

Normal accountability is expected and embraced as necessary by civil servants; civil servants though, are supposed to be shielded from political purges of employees as Trump/Musk are doing.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-10 11:28 AM | Reply

Which is done by the Government Accountability office. DOGE has no legal authority to exist.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-10 11:46 AM

And here I thought the P was for -----.

Also, that's beyond rich coming from someone who gets super butthurt anytime anyone points out obvious absurdities in his favorite bronze age goat herder myth safety blanket he tries to spin as being super intellectual.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 11:48 AM

#16

Butthurt from another thread is always SO embarrassing!

On topic...

"Not So Brilliant,' Says Mark Cuban As Nearly $7 Million In Taxpayer Money Flows To Elon Musk's Doge In Just 2 Weeks"

finance.yahoo.com

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 11:51 AM

Butthurt from another thread is always SO embarrassing!

Sooo...you're always in a state of embarrassment?

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 12:00 PM

Sure, Liberals who don't want to expose fraud and waste really have no credibility. Why wouldn't they want it cleaned up? Small scale but why would it cost $170,000 for a Fauci exhibit at NIH? Answer, kick backs. And it's prevalent all over government.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 12:07 PM

Fishpud, the------------- wasted $20 million yesterday putrefying the Super Bowl.

#20 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-10 12:09 PM

$20 How so?

#21 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 12:15 PM

#20 So no more Army Navy games, World Series games for Presidents? Based on the crowd response they loved seeing him there. It was patriotic. Just because Swift got booed are you pissed?

#22 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 12:18 PM

Sure, Liberals who don't want to expose fraud and waste really have no credibility.

You're framing the argument in a bulls*&^ manner you pathetic, sycophantic hack. Being against the illegal DOGE actions doesn't mean one is against exposing fraud or waste.

Mechanisms, LEGAL mechanisms, existed to do exactly that. Those were gutted and killed by Trump to install his entirely non-transparent, unqualified turd who lacks the legal authority to do what he's doing.

Why wouldn't they want it cleaned up?

We do. We're just not stupid enough to believe that that's what is going on here.

Small scale but why would it cost $170,000 for a Fauci exhibit at NIH? Answer, kick backs. And it's prevalent all over government.

#19 | Posted by fishpaw

When all else fails, make s*&^ up! You probably can't even name what the money was going to actually build. You just hear they cut something, anything, and automatically label it "fraud and waste" because that's what you good little trained monkeys do.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 12:23 PM

What a waste of taxpayer cash.

www.instagram.com

#24 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-10 12:24 PM

It was patriotic.

Oh STFU you f*&^ing idiot. That jackass wasting money to go to a sports game was anything but patriotic. You're too f*&^ing stupid to even see what a racket this is already turning out to be because you can't take trump's balls out of your mouth long enough to breath.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 12:24 PM

The world according to fistedpu*&y.

$170,000 for a permanent museum exhibit he knows nothing about - FrUaDx AnD AbUSeI nDazZ KicKbAkcAZ!Q!!

Several million for Trump to force a photo op and leave a sports game early - DUhhhhhhhh WhATS a PtIrOtZZ!!!

F*&^ing idiot.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 12:26 PM

You know it's ironic. The same people complaining about piddly assed government waste are the same people who remained silent when our country wasted 3 Trillion dollars in the Iraq war. Just sayin

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-10 12:29 PM

JPW. Is very angry today. Not sure why.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-10 12:29 PM

DEATH TO NAZIS

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-10 12:30 PM

Oh STFU you f*&^ing idiot. That jackass wasting money to go to a sports game was anything but patriotic. You're too f*&^ing stupid to even see what a racket this is already turning out to be because you can't take trump's balls out of your mouth long enough to breath.

Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 12:24 PM | Reply

Thanks for the laugh on a gloomy day. I appreciate it.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-10 12:34 PM

JPW. Is very angry today. Not sure why.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger

It's not anger to rub someone's idiot nose in their own moronic piles.

Pointing out $170K while ignoring or excusing several million as "patriotic" is stupid as hell.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 12:36 PM

As s "Special Employee" of the government appointed without any legal basis for his employment except the Presiden's appointment Musk has no legal authority to withhold payments to agenare well aware of the cies funded by Congress even under the direction of the President.As the former Secretaries of the Treasuury pointed out Congress has the powerccurs to me o It occurs to me that both Trump and Musk are well aware of the unconstitutionality of Musks efforts but are just so cinfident in the willingness of the Republican majority of the Supreme Court to ignore unconstitutional action by the Trump Administration in an unprecedented corrupt transfer of power from the Legislative Branch to the Executive Branch. which is exactly what these former Secretaries of the Treasury are saying. Surprisingly, even non-MAGA Republicans in Congress are silent about this serious usurpation of their own Congressional power by the President through Musk. The spinelessness of the Republicans on the Supreme Court and in the majority in Congress can only be described as typical of the Federal Assembly in Russia. Does Trump know about secret gulags where he can send uncooperative Justice, Congressmen or Senators. Those gulags must be located in an incredibly cold place to so frighten the Republican cowards in our government to be so easily bullied by Trump! I fear that this signifies that the coup is complete and the GOP ain't so grand these days.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-10 12:46 PM

Pointing out $170K while ignoring or excusing several million as "patriotic" is stupid as hell.

#31 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-02-10 12:36 PM | FLAG:

I can run patriotic circles around your ass.

#33 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-10 12:53 PM

I can run patriotic circles around your ass.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-10 12:53 PM | Reply

You not only support but voted for a traitor to the United States of America. That's the antithesis of what a patriot does Jeff. Just sayin

#34 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-10 12:56 PM

I promised to ease student debt for millions of folks. The Supreme Court blocked me, but it didn't stop me!
~ Joe Biden
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#35 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-10 12:56 PM


You not only support but voted for a traitor to the United States of America. That's the antithesis of what a patriot does Jeff. Just sayin
#34 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Bellringer voted for Biden? Only a traitor would let in 10Million "immigrants" and fund their housing with taxpayer money.

How can Americans not understand this traitorous act?

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-10 12:57 PM

It's not anger to rub someone's idiot nose in their own moronic piles.

Pointing out $170K while ignoring or excusing several million as "patriotic" is stupid as hell.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just shut up and go back to work, raetard... Customers are piling up in the dining room waiting on their burgers.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-02-10 12:59 PM

Oh STFU you f*&^ing idiot. That jackass wasting money to go to a sports game was anything but patriotic. You're too f*&^ing stupid to even see what a racket this is already turning out to be because you can't take trump's balls out of your mouth long enough to breath.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:
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If seeing him made you crap your panties......again, it was worth it.

#38 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 01:00 PM

Bellringer voted for Biden? Only a traitor would let in 10Million "immigrants" and fund their housing with taxpayer money.

How can Americans not understand this traitorous act?

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-10 12:57 PM | Reply

Your intellectual dishonesty is duly noted. Our economy is built on immigrants. Both documented and Undocumented. To stop this would be unpatriotic.

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-10 01:01 PM

"It's not anger to rub someone's idiot nose in their own moronic piles."

It's something, though.

anger
jealousy
resentment
pity
etc....

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-10 01:05 PM

Danni,

Musk isnt doing anything. He is simply presenting evidence and making recommendations. Any firings or what not are being done by the Trump administration. At least get your lies right.

It doesn't surprise me a liberal like you doesn't want the free money from the government money pot to be audited.

#41 | Posted by boaz at 2025-02-10 01:13 PM

Your intellectual dishonesty is duly noted. Our economy is built on immigrants. Both documented and Undocumented. To stop this would be unpatriotic.

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-10 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Plus don't leave out the big reason you don't want LEGAL immigration, Trump is for it.

#42 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 01:15 PM

" 40 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-02-10 01:05 PM | FLAG: "

Just wait until incel Twoothy shows up who hasn't had his dong touched by a woman in 3,289 days and counting.

The blood rage will be palpable.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-02-10 01:16 PM

Plus don't leave out the big reason you don't want LEGAL immigration, Trump is for it.

Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 01:15 PM | Reply

We all support Undocumented immigrants when we buy groceries from the grocery store. Considering that half of all farm labor is done by the Undocumented. Oh and let's not forget about the fact that they contribute greatly to the local economies. We live in a capitalist society after all.

#44 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-10 01:19 PM

#35 | Posted by oneironaut

He did it by actually having DoE live up to its forgiveness obligations that it agreed to when it recruited participants in public service for forgiveness programs.

In case you weren't aware of basic civics because you're not an American, faithfully executing the laws of the United States is a primary duty of the executive.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 01:22 PM

If seeing him made you crap your panties......again, it was worth it.

#38 | Posted by fishpaw

Every day MAGA proves what childish, stupid piles of s*&^ they are.

You don't give a s*&^ about government expenditures. Never have. You just want the money to flow to preferred recipients, yourself likely included.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 01:24 PM

We all support Undocumented immigrants when we buy groceries from the grocery store. Considering that half of all farm labor is done by the Undocumented. Oh and let's not forget about the fact that they contribute greatly to the local economies. We live in a capitalist society after all.

#44 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-10 01:19 PM | Reply | Flag:
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You are right, we all do. Have you seen any crop pickers being apprehended? No. In case you don't know it there is a legal way for farmers to hire them. So I would assume you are against deporting violet criminals too.

#47 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 01:35 PM

If seeing him made you crap your panties......again, it was worth it.

#38 | Posted by fishpaw

Every day MAGA proves what childish, stupid piles of s*&^ they are.

You don't give a s*&^ about government expenditures. Never have. You just want the money to flow to preferred recipients, yourself likely included.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Again another highly intelligent response to eliminating government fraud and waste. No wonder you think Kamala is brilliant.

#48 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 01:39 PM

In case you weren't aware of basic civics because you're not an American, faithfully executing the laws of the United States is a primary duty of the executive.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Wow, did you get hit in the head with an anvil? You didn't agree with that for the last 4 years!

#49 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 01:42 PM

" eliminating government fraud and waste"

That's not what they're doing, and we both know it. Why do you feel you have to pretend?

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-10 01:49 PM

-------- the waste of air needs to be cut off. Of air.

#51 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-10 02:03 PM

Bell Ringer probably could JPW and as we all know Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Looking back over our history of the last 50 years the flag waving fools were absolutely dead wrong about nearly every belief that they thought proved their patriotism but was later shown to only be proof of their stupidity.

#52 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-10 02:10 PM

Again another highly intelligent response to eliminating government fraud and waste. No wonder you think Kamala is brilliant.

#48 | Posted by fishpaw

Except they're not you stupid f*&^. That's just the line they're using to make sure their trained monkeys (you) repeat it.

I thought Harris was awful. Try again, dips*&^.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 02:15 PM

Wow, did you get hit in the head with an anvil? You didn't agree with that for the last 4 years!

#49 | Posted by fishpaw

What are you talking about? There wasn't an issue with it over the last four years.

There's only an issue now because Trump is making a massive power grab and morons like you cheer while still acting as if you're a "small government conservative."

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 02:17 PM

"That's not what they're doing, and we both know it."

This is surrounded with so much theatrics I won't get into the weeds with it.

But....I'll bet that, by accident, some actual government waste is discovered and thrown out. And won't get put back when democrats are in a position to do so.

That's not a defense of any of this....but it's a prediction of at least some eventual outcome from it.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-10 02:27 PM

Jeffrey didn't vote, he's Russian.

#56 | Posted by a_monson at 2025-02-10 02:33 PM

"I'll bet that, by accident, some actual government waste is discovered and thrown out."

I'll bet that, on purpose, the National Endowment for the Arts will be deemed government waste and thrown out.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-10 02:35 PM

"I'll bet that, by accident, some actual government waste is discovered"

For those who lived through it, Ronald Reagan had the same mantra. He found minuscule amounts, after setting ludicrous goals.
www.reaganlibrary.gov

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-10 02:40 PM

57

are you worried the dems won't put it back in when they have the chance?

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-10 02:51 PM

#58 Reagan didn't have the house which made it more difficult. That is why Trump is trying to fast track it in case he loses the house in 2 years.

#60 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-02-10 02:54 PM

"I thought Harris was awful. Try again, dips*&^."

That's not fair, If you want to comment on the unconstitutional actions of Trump/Musk first you have defend Kamala Harris even though you weren't a fan because it's the only way MAGAmorons can turn criticisms of Trump/Musk now into just a partisan, sour graIt's how MAGAmoron's minds work.

#61 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-10 03:00 PM

MAGATS don't care. They are in a cult and have abandoned reason.

#62 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-02-10 03:30 PM

are you worried the dems won't put it back in when they have the chance?

#59 | Posted by eberly

As usual you're in denial about what is happening right now. There will be no next chance for dems. That would require democracy, which trump is overthrowing.

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-10 03:32 PM

He is simply presenting evidence and making recommendations.

Maybe you could actually provide some of this elusive "evidence" I keep hearing so much about.

I keep hearing it's cutting fraud and corruption, but not a single one of you mouthing those words can provide the actual evidence of fraud. It seems that the real sin is it's funding of things you don't like...

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 03:35 PM

But....I'll bet that, by accident, some actual government waste is discovered and thrown out. And won't get put back when democrats are in a position to do so.

That's not a defense of any of this....but it's a prediction of at least some eventual outcome from it.

#55 | Posted by eberly

If it's boiling down to a blind squirrel type argument, then it's not really a good way to go about it.

Fact is, there were already mechanisms in place to deal with investigating, mitigating and eliminating fraud and waste. Legal mechanisms. Those were gutted and discarded by Trump so that Musk and his high school buddies could do whatever it is they're doing with zero oversight.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 03:37 PM

That is why Trump is trying to fast track it in case he loses the house in 2 years.

#60 | Posted by fishpaw

How come you idiots never stop and think why you have to constantly ascribe motive and thought to someone who never expresses it?

That's not why he's doing it at all. He's doing it because the goal is to break it, burn it and extract as much wealth as they can as quickly as they can from the ashes we're left to choke on.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 03:39 PM

"If it's boiling down to a blind squirrel type argument, then it's not really a good way to go about it."

I agree.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-10 03:51 PM

Musk isnt doing anything.
#41 | POSTED BY BOAZ

He's got your social security number and all your personal and private information and no one knows what he intends to do with it yet.

If it were, let's say, Soros or Bill Gates, you be screaming about civil wars.

Just admit it, you love your spot on the Republican Plantation.

Makes you feel important. Like you're somehow better than other minorities.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-10 04:00 PM

I'd ask those 5 how much is their cut from the following

100 billion given to people EVERY YEAR with no ss number

AND you punx / prix and packers don't give a s--t

go to hell.

#69 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-02-10 04:01 PM

"but not a single one of you mouthing those words can provide the actual evidence of fraud"

Is there any actual evidence of something of substance that's been eliminated?

#70 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-10 04:03 PM

" Is there any actual evidence of something of substance that's been eliminated?"

The Board of Directors of the Kennedy Center.

Although I'm sure next year's honorees Hulk Hogan and Kid Rock disagree with me.

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-10 04:09 PM

I'd ask those 5 how much is their cut from the following

100 billion given to people EVERY YEAR with no ss number

AND you punx / prix and packers don't give a s--t

go to hell.

#69 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-02-10 04:01 PM | Reply

If Musk was serious about budget cuts he'd have hired accountants for DOGE, not a cadre of 20 year old hackers.

We're about to get ------.

#72 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-02-10 04:15 PM

" are you worried the dems won't put it back in when they have the chance?"

Who's planning on giving Dems a chance? Even if they crush the midterms, Trump won't sign it back into being.

Theatres will close, and programs like Shakespeare in Schools on down will cease to exist.

But Elon will get to keep his tax cuts.

After slashing Social Security, of course.

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-10 04:15 PM

Is there any actual evidence of something of substance that's been eliminated?

#70 | Posted by eberly

USAID. Critical to soft power projection and sudden shutdown will affect suppliers here at home of the materials used in the program.

Massive cut to indirect costs in NIH grants. Will gut domestic R&D at the basic science level and cause significant financial distress for universities that have research programs. Both of those will have ripple effects in the years to come for health and economic reasons.

BTW that's not to say that there isn't or wasn't stuff that should be reviewed and likely cut. It's not a zero sum game and the whole sale shuttering and smashing of programs by someone who is not only unelected but doesn't even have the legal authority to do what he's doing is the exact way I'd go about it if I wanted to inflict as much pain and damage as possible with as much plausible deniability possible.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 04:36 PM

But Elon will get to keep his tax cuts.

It's about a whole lot more than tax cuts.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 04:37 PM

the whole sale shuttering and smashing of programs by someone who is not only unelected but doesn't even have the legal authority to do what he's doing

This is the most baffling part of the new Trump administration.

Elon Musk running the federal government.

Republicans are so corrupt, they're not willing to do anything about it.

Conservatives are so shortsighted they can't see the future ramifications of these actions.

This country is being invaded and damaged.

Hurting Americans isn't the way to make this nation stronger.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-02-10 04:47 PM

-Who's planning on giving Dems a chance?

The voters when they vote in a Dem to the White House next opportunity.

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-10 04:53 PM

I wonder if most people actually understand the significsnce of abolishing the Dept, of Education?
the goal of Trump/Musk and the Tepublican Party has almost nothing to do with waste or the diversion of funds to enrich selected recipients without legitimate reasons to recieve those funds. It is more about getting the federal government out of education so that mostly former Confederate atates can teach whatever distorted history they choose, Here in Florida Desantis has taken black history out of the curriculum. Nationally Trump has ordered the Air Force to stop teaching cadeta about the Tuskeegee Airmen. Trump and Musk aren't your average, run of the mill, racists. No, they are extreme White Nationalists and that is and has been the true meaning of "Make America Great Again" all along. Now they can take their truths about who they are and what they intend to do to America out of the closet and become, outwardly, their true selves probably with flashy uniforms and military style hierarchy of ranks for MAGAs who will be their Gestapo. Ivana Trump told everyone Donald was reading Mein Kampf every night and kept a copy on his nightstand. That Trump is a full blown Nazi! That fact should have been repeated 24/7 theoughout the campaign.

#78 | Posted by danni at 2025-02-10 04:55 PM

74

Thank you.

I don't follow this as closely as many here do.

I see crap about USAID written but it's just crap from sources not to be taken very seriously.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2025-02-10 04:59 PM

Is there any actual evidence of something of substance that's been eliminated?

#70 | Posted by eberly

The objectivity of the justice department is worthless to you.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-10 05:12 PM

"Top whistleblower advocate sues President Trump, alleging 'unlawful' firing

The Office of Special Counsel investigates and prosecutes violations of "prohibited personnel practices" like whistleblower retaliation, enforces ethics laws like the Hatch Act, and protects employment rights of military veterans.

The office's leader, Hampton Dellinger, filed a lawsuit Monday in Washington, D.C., federal court after receiving a termination email Friday night.

"That email made no attempt to comply with the Special Counsel's for-cause removal protection," Dellinger's suit reads.

"It stated simply: 'On behalf of President Donald J. Trump, I am writing to inform you that your position as Special Counsel of the US Office of Special Counsel is terminated, effective immediately.' "

Federal law says the special counsel may be removed by the president "only for inefficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance in office."

www.npr.org

Fascists don' need no stinkin' law.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 05:20 PM

"Don't expect the courts to save us from Donald Trump
Courts are inherently reactive institutions. Trump always gets the first move."

www.vox.com

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 05:28 PM

Fascists don' need no stinkin' law.

#81 | Posted by Corky

Not when you terards like fistedp*&^y who'll believe, without question, that that termination is justified and legal. Because even if there's a small part of the voice in their tiny brains that has reservations, it evaporates once they realize it's upsetting the LiBrUlZ!!!

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2025-02-10 05:39 PM

Re: #78...I believe his fascist predilections were given ample light and exposure well before his first campaign in 2016, yet alas...there appears to be so many brownshirt-adjacent voters who evidently agree with him. (I blame the Bell Curve) If you fine folk are waiting for a Savior to end this blatantly unlawful period of American history, you're going to require more than a lunch to see you through. Something tells me we ain't seen nuttin' yet.

#84 | Posted by dutch46 at 2025-02-10 05:57 PM

His polling is better than ever, due to him wrecking the e'bil Gub'mint.

So... proverbially, cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-10 07:14 PM

" I see crap about USAID written but it's just crap from sources not to be taken very seriously."

Their plan is to dismiss 9,400 workers, and keep 600.

How much more serious does it need to be?!?

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-10 07:38 PM

The oligarchs and their whores on the right wing are out of control, every day violating the laws and constitution of the United States. They have no interest in adhering to democratic principles, no respect for tradition or separation of powers, and no honor.

Many people are starting to realize the harm being done and are starting to organize. There's going to be a showdown, and it's going to be ugly. I only hope our country can survive.

#87 | Posted by cbob at 2025-02-10 10:59 PM

None of you, either on the right or left, seem to understand that everything could come crashing down on the American people within six months. What is being done by the Executive Branch on an international level could spell actual disaster for America's working class. As in destruction and impoverishment. And, yes, even death. Is all this too complicated for the right wing mind to comprehend? Or do right wingers even care?

#88 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-02-10 11:46 PM

Many people are starting to realize the harm being done and are starting to organize. There's going to be a showdown, and it's going to be ugly. I only hope our country can survive.

#87 | Posted by cbob

Many people should have seen this coming, if they weren't total morons thanks to a crippled public education system.

#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-10 11:53 PM

INTENTIONALLY crippled

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-10 11:53 PM

Fuck the working class. Those are the ignorant assholes that voted for this fat pile of shit.

#91 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-02-10 11:56 PM

None of you, either on the right or left, seem to understand that everything could come crashing down on the American people within six months. What is being done by the Executive Branch on an international level could spell actual disaster for America's working class. As in destruction and impoverishment. And, yes, even death. Is all this too complicated for the right wing mind to comprehend? Or do right wingers even care?

#88 | Posted by moder8

THATS
WHAT
THEY
WANT

They are strapped with guns up to their necks and itching to kill liberals. Minds full of russian propaganda. Brainwashed to blame their suffering on the wrong targets.

If the government collapses, the tech bros get to build the new one however they want. If the people riot, they get to declare martial law. People do not understand what is happening. Putin fucking won. It's over.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-10 11:56 PM

Fuck the working class. Those are the ignorant assholes that voted for this fat pile of shit.

#91 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

They are ignorant because republicans wanted them that way and made them that way.

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-02-10 11:57 PM

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