Trump Lost the Trade War to China

Thursday, October 30, 2025

Nicholas Kristof: After the United States-China summit planned for Thursday, President Trump may crow about his deal-making skill. Aides may suggest that he deserves a Nobel Prize for negotiation " but I invite you to roll your eyes.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 10:33 AM | 125 COMMENTS | permalink

Xi may explicitly or implicitly use the threat of limiting rare earth exports to encourage Trump to dial down support for Taiwan or reduce patrols in the South China Sea. If Trump goes along with that, it would be an enormous setback for America in Asia and a big gain for Chinese influence. Our allies would shudder at the thought of diminished American power in the Pacific, and there would be a growing risk of Chinese aggression in the Taiwan Strait.

So don't rush to applaud whatever triumphant announcements you may hear from Trump and his aides about a landmark deal with China. We Americans may have lost not just a trade war but a chunk of our global credibility and influence for years to come, in ways that would be seen globally as a harbinger of American decline.

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Nicholas Kristof writes:

Xi sees our weakness. He has established that he has the upper hand in the bilateral relationship and that Trump is the weak one who will buckle under pressure, including on security matters. And because Trump has betrayed and antagonized allies, they are less likely to work with us in resisting Beijing.

Xi may suspend his rare earths restrictions for a year, but I doubt he'll let us build stockpiles. I suspect it will be more difficult for American companies to acquire rare earths to make fighter aircraft and submarines " and in fairness, Xi in some respects is simply doing to the United States what we have done to China.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-10-30 05:41 AM

Bottom line, which may help explain how Trump managed to go big belly-up in the casino business:

"It soon became obvious that President Xi Jinping of China had us over a barrel, for the United States economy depends on Chinese rare earths far more than China depends on American soybeans."

D'oh!

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-10-30 05:44 AM

And the Chinese people and government have never forgotten the centuries of humiliation at the hands of the West (AKA Yang Guzi). m.media-amazon.com

#3 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-30 05:57 AM

Opium War

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-10-30 06:02 AM

I have a first edition of Commissioner Lin and the Opium War and my aunt has a first printing of this (from China):

m.media-amazon.com

#5 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-30 06:11 AM

Trump Lost the Trade War to China

Does Pedo 47 get to keep his Chinese trademarks?

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-10-30 10:44 AM

It soon became obvious that President Xi Jinping of China had us over a barrel, for the United States economy depends on Chinese rare earths far more than China depends on American soybeans."

D'oh!

#2 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

This is what happens when our leaders do not understand diplomacy, cannot read or learn or listen to experts or learn from history or even know how to make plans and strategic decisions.

You get a SNAFU.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-30 12:04 PM

#7 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

This is laughable, it was always going to come to this stage, and move beyond it. China will leave America and the West in the dust.

Acting like a Democrat or Republican could stop it, is hilarious. You can already see Americans upset by the high cost of goods. Idiots will blame Trump, but really the Dollar is being inflated because the Debt is so high. Just look at the drop against the dollar, it aint pretty.

But go ahead fight amongst yourselves, take glory in defeating your domestic enemy. You lose in the end regardless at this point, there's no stopping the dragon.
I came here knowing this, but am surprised by how quickly the combo of Bush,Obama,Trump, and Biden hurried the downfall.

I am planning my return to the mother land. Can you believe you'll OWE me SocialSecurity money, while I live in China, but it will be worthless LOL?

TikTokTikTok ... your time is almost up America.

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-30 12:18 PM

- I am planning my return to the mother land.

Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

And don't be surprised when you SS is cut off.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2025-10-30 12:29 PM

I am planning my return to the mother land.

So. A commie spy? Nailed it!

"TikTokTikTok ... your time is almost up America."

Yeah. I knew all along that ---- was spyware.

I knew all along you were here just to help sow chaos and division.

America is bigger than any one man. You'll see.

America is an idea.

Good luck killing an idea.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-30 12:37 PM

The problem is that ideas are mutable.

After 30 years or more of conservatives waging war on public education fewer and fewer young people are able to comprehend the loftier ideals of the past.

#11 | Posted by qcp at 2025-10-30 01:18 PM

Another view ...

Trump-Xi 'amazing' summit brings tactical truce, not major reset
www.reuters.com

... U.S. President Donald Trump hailed a meeting with China's Xi Jinping as "amazing" and "12" on a 10-point scale, but the agreement the two leaders reached appears to be no more than a fragile truce in a trade war with root causes still unresolved.

The framework announced on Thursday -- that includes China resuming soybean purchases, suspending its rare earths export curbs for a year, and the U.S. lowering tariffs on China by 10% -- broadly rewinds ties to the status that existed before Trump's "Liberation Day" offensive triggered tit-for-tat escalation. ...

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-30 01:18 PM

it wouldn't have matter what Trump negotiated, the Left would have been against it

#13 | Posted by Maverick at 2025-10-30 01:25 PM

Trump lost the trade war to China when he base his entire strategy on Peter Navarro's fiction novel, Death by China, with expert analysis from "Ron Vara".

Donald Trump is a ------- ------ and the perfect representation of the Republican Party.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-30 01:27 PM

it wouldn't have matter what Trump negotiated, the Left would have been against it

#13 | Posted by Maverick

STFU idiot.

Trump is killing everything he touches (as is his norm) and all morons like you can blather on about is duhhhhhhh ThE LefTZ!!

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-30 01:31 PM

it wouldn't have matter what Hitlrt negotiated, the Left would have been against it

#13 | Posted by Maverick

FTFY

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-30 01:32 PM

it wouldn't have matter what Hitler negotiated, the Left would have been against it

#13 | Posted by Maverick

FTFY

And for me.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-30 01:32 PM

it wouldn't have matter what Trump negotiated, the Left would have been against it
#13 | Posted by Maverick

Spoken like a true cultist! You sound so defeated! TACO TACO TACO, cultist!!! HAHAHAHA!

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-10-30 01:35 PM

@#12 ... The framework announced on Thursday ... that includes China resuming soybean purchases, suspending its rare earths export curbs for a year, and the U.S. lowering tariffs on China by 10% -- broadly rewinds ties to the status that existed before Trump's "Liberation Day" offensive triggered tit-for-tat escalation. ...

That's how it looks at this point, i.e., Pres Trump retreated to the way things were before he went crazy with tariffs.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-30 01:37 PM

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-30 12:18 PM

If this were my site, this comment would have you removed. I think it solidly proves that your intent here has been to sew division and discontent as a troll. You've always been attempting to undermine the US. If you're really even Chinese, I think you should be returned there as ashes in a cardboard box.

#20 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-10-30 01:41 PM

-You've always been attempting to undermine the US.

Oh, STFU you moron. He's not trying to undermine the US.

He's trying piss you off.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-30 01:45 PM

That's how it looks at this point, i.e., Pres Trump retreated to the way things were before he went crazy with tariffs.

#19 | Posted by LampLighter

As much BS as Trump conveys, I won't believe it until the farmers have the money from the contracts in their accounts....

#22 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-10-30 01:46 PM

"your intent here has been to sew division and discontent as a troll."

If this were your site, you'd be appreciative of it.

Unless he went off the rails with regards to Global warming and COVID.

Anything else? You'd be begging him to post more.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-30 01:47 PM

#21

No, you're the one who's always trying to piss people off ---hole.

#24 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-10-30 01:47 PM

So Oneiron isn't trying to piss you off intentionally? But he manages to do it anyway?

Yes....dumfuq.....he's trying to piss people off.

I'm trying to get your anger down just enough to realize it.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-30 01:49 PM

#20:

#26 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-30 01:50 PM

#25

You're an even worse troll than he is. Don't try pretending that your suddenly somehow a good person. You spend far too much time commenting here, doing nothing but stirring ----. Go play a round of golf at your gated country club, ----head.

#27 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-10-30 02:00 PM

-Go play a round of golf at your gated country club, ----head.

Oh, I'll do both.

But the round is so much more enjoyable when I'm drinking a tall cold glass of your tears.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-30 02:25 PM

So Oneiron isn't trying to piss you off intentionally? But he manages to do it anyway?
Yes....dumfuq.....he's trying to piss people off.

I don't care how they feel, I am just pointing out their BS is whats causing the collapse of America, Trump or no Trump.

#29 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-30 02:27 PM

We lost credibility a long time ago. We've been resting on laurels because we won a war eighty years ago. Since then, we've done nothing but degrade and it's quickening with the current buffoon-in-charge.

#30 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-10-30 02:28 PM

I am planning my return to the mother land.

Soggy lice no taste nice!

#31 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-10-30 02:30 PM

You spend far too much time commenting here, doing nothing but stirring ----.

This is the tolerant "whatswrong". Its called "stirring" or worse, when you have a difference of opinion.

As opposed to actually discussing or refuting the claims.

#32 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-30 02:33 PM

Soggy lice no taste nice!
#31 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

I feel the Indian rice (basamati) when cooked properly is excellent.

American rice is ----.

#33 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-30 02:33 PM

I'm just an open borders, liberal Chinese immigrant!
#29 | POSTED BY ONETRUMPER

Whatever you say, dumbfkkk.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-30 02:35 PM

and it's quickening with the current buffoon-in-charge.
#30 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

This is just an internal/domestic viewpoint, attacking Iraq was the beginning of the end, I just didn't realize it when I came over.

In the rest of the worlds eyes, making Iraq a democracy at the pointy end of a gun was hypocrisy. Much like Newsom redrawing the maps to "save democracy".

The America is so full of contradictions.

#35 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-30 02:36 PM

So Newsom letting voters redraw maps to counter the GOPs just doing it in Texas (to steal the midterms) ... is the same thing as our invasion of Iraq?

Youve outdone yourself in stupidity.

#36 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-30 02:38 PM

Texas, Missouri and North Carolina redrawn congressional districts without voter approval to add more Republicans to the federal government.

Crickets from republicans.

California puts redistricting up for a vote.

Republicans lose their fkkking minds.

Hypocrisy is the only word you can use.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-30 02:42 PM

The America is so full of contradictions.
#35 | POSTED BY ONETRUMPER

Says the guy famous for being an "open borders, liberal", who condemned the Biden administration for not controlling the southern border.

Seek therapy, you stupid troll.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-30 02:44 PM

"You spend far too much time commenting here, doing nothing but stirring ---"

maybe but that's not what has you so upset.

It's not the stirring....it's that I'M stirring.

Corky and Boazboy refers to Oneiron as a chinese commie agitator. They go from thread to thread "commenting and doing nothing but stirring___"

But that doesn't bother you in the least.

You're a lying hypocritical POS, Whatsleft.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-30 02:44 PM

"California puts redistricting up for a vote."

How do you think it's going to go?

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-30 02:46 PM

We'll see.

Enough money from out of state has been spent campaigning against redistricting that it's gonna be a toss up.

There's some signs that it has a good chance of passing, like republican hot beds such as Huntington Beach coming out in favor of prop 50.

But the further you drive inland from the coast the more "No on 50" posters you see.

I recently received an advertisement in the mail from the Republican Party telling me to vote no on 50, because the neighbors were watching.

Which I found extremely funny.

But I'm sure some people will see that and fear their neighbors will kill them if they don't vote No.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-30 02:53 PM

But the round is so much more enjoyable when I'm drinking a tall cold glass of your tears.

POSTED BY EBERLY

As a Christian do.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-30 03:01 PM

POSTED BY EBERLY
As a Christian do.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy

Does .... does....

Enough money from out of state has been spent campaigning against redistricting that it's gonna be a toss up.

Nah, Republicans aren't turning in their ballots; they don't see the threat, or at least the propaganda they are receiving isn't as dire as the propaganda the Democrats are seeing.

#43 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-30 03:09 PM

"I recently received an advertisement in the mail from the Republican Party telling me to vote no on 50, because the neighbors were watching."

The proposition is very clear.

Californians know what to do.

I believe they will make the right decision.

If not. That will tell me what I need to know, also.

"Corky and Boazboy refers to Oneiron as a chinese commie agitator."

Commie agitator has given the game away. He was never interested in becoming an American. He has admitted he is a commie spy. He is returning soon to China(the Motherland). He has learned what he needs to know about us. I tried to warn you.

TikTokTikTok ... your time is almost up America."
-ONEIRONUT

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-30 03:11 PM

Nah, Republicans aren't turning in their ballots;

And you think that will help them?

Good. Republicans are being stupid!

As a Republican do.

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-30 03:13 PM

- Corky and Boazboy

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Boawinsky".

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2025-10-30 03:19 PM

-Enough money from out of state has been spent campaigning against redistricting that it's gonna be a toss up.

It'll drive turnout upward and that should be a help to the left.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-30 03:27 PM

Corky and Boazboy refers to Oneiron as a chinese commie agitator.

#39 | Posted by eberly

Yep. That's certainly how Onenut comes across.

It looks like I got under your skin. Perhaps I'll have to do it more often, insurance leech.

#48 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-10-30 04:01 PM

"Perhaps I'll have to do it more often"

You lack both the brains and the guts, wimp.

I'm out of your tears anyway.....

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-30 04:04 PM

If you're really even Chinese, I think you should be returned there as ashes in a cardboard box.

#20 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-10-30 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

But by all means you'll fight for a wife beater/---------er, undocumented immigrant to not be deported.

It's almost like you joined MAGA

Make it make sense.

#50 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-31 11:49 AM

It's funny to watch the melt down of the left over anything Trump does. When did Obama or Biden make so many over seas trips to get deals done with the US? The left says that since Trump was elected the US has lost all relations with the rest of the world. Based on the welcomes he has received and the outcomes of his visits it is just another example of the left getting it totally wrong.

#51 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-10-31 12:32 PM

But by all means you'll fight for a wife beater/---------er, undocumented immigrant to not be deported.

Except this has never happened you stupid pile of s*&^.

Why?

A. ICE doesn't go after anyone remotely dangerous because they're a bunch of cosplaying pu&&ies.

B. The arguments against ICE's pu&&y tactics has never been about the people but the methods and their blatant violation of our COnstititution.

Item B is something you would already know if you actually knew anything about and valued our Constitution.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-31 02:08 PM

When did Obama or Biden make so many over seas trips to get deals done with the US?

You're such a sycophantic dumbf*&^ you can't even talk about this without using the language they've programmed you with.

He's not "doing deals" you ---- moron. He is, at best, walking back the messes he made and claiming that as a negotiation "win."

The left says that since Trump was elected the US has lost all relations with the rest of the world. Based on the welcomes he has received and the outcomes of his visits it is just another example of the left getting it totally wrong.

#51 | Posted by fishpaw

As usual, you're too ---- stupid to actually read between the lines.

He's receiving a welcome one would expect for A. the office of POTUS and B. for someone who is well known to be easily swayed by flattery and ego stoking.

Seriously, you stupid f*&^s should never be allowed to vote again. You're too stupid to be entrusted with such a powerful right.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-31 02:11 PM

"When did Obama or Biden make so many over seas trips to get deals done with the US?"

Over seas trips?

Oh, I get it.

You're just going to ignore deals made over the telephone.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-31 02:14 PM

"you'll fight for a wife beater/---------er, undocumented immigrant to not be deported.

Convict them of those crimes and it's fine to deport them.

But without a conviction, what exactly are they being deported for again?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-31 02:16 PM

no he didn't...

all I need to know that is to read here that
he did.

and from mrs corky at that.

chuckle....

#56 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-10-31 04:36 PM

ah yes.....I visit 'other lands" but I can always
depend on this level of blisfull useful idiot.

STFU idiot.

Trump is killing everything he touches (as is his norm) and all morons like you can blather on about is duhhhhhhh ThE LefTZ!!

#15 | Posted by jpw

check the recent high on the NYSE...

there's one of many major proof you're a lying skunk

#57 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-10-31 04:43 PM

DON'T WORRY ABOUT THEE NYSE,

a couple of years of the proven LYING commie
running NYC and I'll be telling you to look
at the recent high of the Texas SE....backed
by Blackrock after the nyse becomes a homeless
shelter.

#58 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-10-31 04:44 PM

" If you're really even Chinese, I think you should be returned there as ashes in a cardboard box.

#20 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2025-10-30 01:41 PM | FLAG: "

JFC. Was that really necessary?

#59 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 05:42 PM

JPW just makes ---- up.

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 05:45 PM

Was that really necessary?
#59 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

Fkkk you.

Trump supporters don't have any right to pretend they have any moral ground to stand on.

You're literally making life worse for all Americans while pretending to be offended by what anonymous people post online.

Fkkk you.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-31 05:52 PM

JPW just makes ---- up.
#60 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

Who does he think he is, a Trump supporter?

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-31 05:53 PM

China's government has taken action to mitigate their consequences from the trade war.

Trump has done no such thing.

#63 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-10-31 05:57 PM

" Fkkk you.

#61 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2025-10-31 05:52 PM | FLAG: "

Have some fkking boundaries. Wishing someone to be in incinerated and have the ashes shipped in a cardboard box is beyond repugnant. All over a difference of political opinion.

#64 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 06:09 PM

He did say, "If you're really even Chinese", which nutnaut is not, so...

#65 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-10-31 06:12 PM

#65. He wished that he was incinerated and reduced to ashes.

Don't defend that repulsive crap.

#66 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 06:18 PM

Wishing someone to be in incinerated and have the ashes shipped in a cardboard box is beyond repugnant. All over a difference of political opinion.
#64 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

I wish you were incinerated and sent to Trump in a box.

Oh no! Run for the hills Mary!

Meanwhile Trump is denying people food to eat which if not rectified will cause starvation amongst Americans. Or they can give up their healthcare.

You don't give a shht. You're not being affected.

You don't give a shht about the damage Trump is doing to America.

But someone posting something one line? Unacceptable!

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-31 06:23 PM

#67. Way to deflect.

#68 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 06:27 PM

"That was a world class pivot."

#69 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 06:30 PM

Fine. Posting stuff like that is basically admitting defeat, something I could never do.

Besides, I might as well just be a Trumper at that point.

Be nice, or be funny!

#70 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-10-31 06:37 PM

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.
#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-06 05:42 PM

#71 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 06:39 PM

" Be nice, or be funny!

#70 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN AT 2025-10-31 06:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Yes. This.

#72 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 06:40 PM

People don't even need to be nice. But a point is reached where a red line is crossed.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 06:41 PM

- All over a difference of political opinion.

It helps that he's already a convicted rapist, fraud, and a traitor to his country.

Not like he deserves any slack.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2025-10-31 07:04 PM

You should flag the comment as abusive. Especially if it makes you uncomfortable.

#75 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-10-31 07:11 PM

" You should flag the comment as abusive"

Not my style. I am not the type to go whining to the site owner.

" Especially if it makes you uncomfortable."

It doesn't make me uncomfortable. If anything, I was surprised by the source. I expect that type of thing from LegallyGivesHead. What left is usually pretty calm and rational. Maybe just having a really bad day? Regardless, if I ever made that type of comment I seriously hope I'd be called out for it.

#76 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 07:20 PM

If this were my site, this comment would have you removed.

Thats because you don't believe in free speech.

I think it solidly proves that your intent here has been to sew division and discontent as a troll.
I am not trolling, a troll would hang around and make you mad, I am just spitting facts.

You've always been attempting to undermine the US.
I am not undermining it, letting in hordes of unmitigated immigration is undermining it. The US debt which you want more and more of is undermining it.
Iam just pointing it out.

If you're really even Chinese, I think you should be returned there as ashes in a cardboard box.
#20 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Well there's the truth, i had this discussion with a fellow co-worker about the Liberal White man hostility towards legal immigration.
His statement is being proven truthful and correct, Liberal White men just can't compete, with legal immigrants. Liberal White men love the illegal immigration because they know it won't affect them. But when it comes to legal immigrants, they want us in "ashes in a cardboard box".

Have great day you ------- loser.

#77 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 07:44 PM

It's all part of the ambiance.

#78 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-10-31 07:57 PM

He did say, "If you're really even Chinese", which nutnaut is not, so...
#65 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN

I see this accusation alot, just goes to show you how weak the "liberals" here are, cant even defend their beliefs just false accusations.

The fact that I don't believe everything you Lumpers spout, some how means I am not a Liberal, or a PoC. What a sad perspective, again why Democrats will continue to lose, Lumpers here aren't the big tent so much as the lets all get in line or else group.

Look up what Bernie said about Trumps border ... its exactly what I have been saying since I got here about how to create an open border.

Sanders breaks with Democrats, praises Trump's border policy on podcast
cbsaustin.com

You guys going around saying I am not a liberal because I support border control. Well is Bernie Sanders not a liberal?

#79 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 08:03 PM

It's all part of the ambiance.
#78 | POSTED BY HORSTNGRABEN

The dehydrated piss yellow background?

#80 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 08:04 PM

THIS is dehydrated piss yellow

web.archive.org

#81 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-10-31 08:21 PM

THIS is dehydrated piss yellow

That was painful.

#82 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-31 08:23 PM

oneironut is back to pretending to be liberal.

#83 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-31 08:31 PM

oneironut is back to pretending to be liberal.

Goatman claimed to be liberal.

#84 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-31 08:38 PM

For the past 25 years while America was fighting the GWoT bombing people across the globe and acting imperiously to any and all developing countries China has been investing in them building infrastructure hospitals and schools

As a result China has access and control to resources through out the developing world in places where formerly our investment and promotion of democracy held sway

Look at the changes in investment and trade over the past 25 years

And suddenly trump's second term comes and he destroys what little good will there was killing thousands with a sudden withdrawal of USAID and wild unpredictable tariff policy and withdrawal for America first

Magat scum cheered that on

China has control of all the rare earth minerals because America willingly gave them up

Just another example of short sighted Republican policies

#85 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 08:52 PM

#81

Yikes. Rex, I guess.

That's beyond dehydrated, and judging by the content, it's end stage syphilis.

#86 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-10-31 09:07 PM

Except this has never happened you stupid pile of s*&^.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2025-10-31 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

STFU raetard. we know what happened/

#87 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-31 09:15 PM

The only thing Trump ever won was the gullibility of conservatives.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-31 09:18 PM

He did say, "If you're really even Chinese", which nutnaut is not, so...

#65 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-10-31 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another raetard. They're everywhere.

#89 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-31 09:18 PM

Goatman claimed to be liberal.
#84 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Who cares what people claim, its about the policies they support.

You can't claim Bernie Sanders isn't Liberal, but do you think he supports the First nations taking Canadian private citizens land? Thats not liberal at all, but you do, you and all the Lumpers here do, you're a cult, an oddity on the Internet, not even on blusky do I see such crazy Lumpers.

China has control of all the rare earth minerals because America willingly gave them up
Just another example of short sighted Republican policies
#85 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

China doesn't control the minerals they control the processing.

Americans like truth are idiots, read a book like Abundance, or Why Nothing works,

Why did they give them up Truth? This was due to no-growth anti pollution policies, are those conservatives? Or Liberals?
See what I mean you just can't accept some of the things you've rallied around caused these issues. Again read a book by the leading Liberals, and you'll see just how wrong some of the "progressive" policies broke things. Liberals had good intentions, but perhaps didn't see the long term problems because they thought America could never lose in the 90s, similar to Conservatives in that regard.

#90 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 09:20 PM

Besides, I might as well just be a Trumper at that point!

#70 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-10-31 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see your point, especially if you're just in it to win it. Trump wins

#91 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-31 09:20 PM

Liberal White man hostility towards legal immigration.
#77 | POSTED BY ONETRUMPER

Welcome to the whole reason this idiot pretended to be a Chinese immigrant.

To attack liberals.

The idiot was just talking about RomneyCare the other day.

Because that's something all Chinese immigrants are familiar with.

#92 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-31 09:25 PM

Here's some help Truth.

At the same time, the West saw metal making as a dirty industry, ripe for outsourcing. Many rare earth facilities produce a tremendous amount of waste in addition to radioactive elements. Mining was a hard sell to local communities. Many countries legislated heavily to restrict them. It didn't matter that these resources would power a green society or the next generation of weaponry. We ended up gutting the industry.
newrepublic.com

#93 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 09:26 PM

Trump wins
#91 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

By bankrupting everything he touches, including America.

#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-31 09:26 PM

The only thing Trump ever won was the gullibility of conservatives.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-31 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag

And apparently, they outnumbered the loonies who wanted to elect Kamala Harris. Are you saying the election was rigged?

#95 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-31 09:26 PM

I see your point, especially if you're just in it to win it. Trump wins
#91 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Oh please ... Trump has as many loses as he does wins.

#96 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 09:27 PM

ClownShack doesn't want any of the stolen election ----.

#97 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-31 09:31 PM

" Oh please ... Trump has as many loses as he does wins.

#96 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT AT 2025-10-31 09:27 PM | FLAG: "

He has a mixed record. According to almost (maybe all of them) all of the lefties on this site his record is 100% horrible.

#98 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-10-31 09:54 PM

China doesn't control the minerals they control the processing.

Wrong

China has a dominant position in the rare earth mineral supply chain, controlling roughly 70% of global mining and an even larger share, around 90-92%, of the processing and refining stages. This dominance extends to the production of rare earth magnets, which are essential for many modern technologies like electric vehicles and defense systems.

www.google.com

#99 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 09:58 PM

In 2000, China-Africa trade was around $10 billion, with the US also having significant trade with the continent, including a trade deficit of $1.6 billion (excluding oil). However, China has become sub-Saharan Africa's dominant trading partner, with bilateral trade reaching approximately $295 billion in 2024, whereas US trade remains considerably smaller and has been overshadowed by China's growth, partly due to recent policy changes affecting U.S. market access.

www.google.com

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 09:59 PM

see one nut

I post facts, you post opinions

You're a ------- idiot

#101 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 09:59 PM

China has a dominant position in the rare earth mineral supply chain, controlling roughly 70% of global mining and an even larger share, around 90-92%, of the processing and refining stages.

What the ---- do you think I am takling about. 70% of the mining isn't control... its the processing.

#102 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:00 PM

I post facts, you post opinions
~ TruthNLies

You can't even read FFS.

#103 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:01 PM

According to almost (maybe all of them) all of the lefties on this site his record is 100% horrible.
#98 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

When anyone gives someone 100% positive or negative, they are part of a cult.

#104 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:02 PM

When anyone gives someone 100% positive or negative, they are part of a cult.

Much like when they assign it to someone else.

#105 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-31 10:04 PM

#90 | Posted by oneironaut

Who gave what up?

Developing nations, like those in Africa went from trading with the US to trading with China over the past 25 years?
Why?

Because the US gave them military bases and bombing of muslims.

China gave them roads, ports, mines, schools, dams, wells, sewer treatment etc.

China invested, America did not

The one inherent benefit America had that China could not compete with was aspirational-a reputation for freedom and democracy.

These are facts

#106 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 10:05 PM

As a result China has access and control to resources through out the developing world in places where formerly our investment and promotion of democracy held sway
~ TruthNLies

This isn't factual at all. As I posted, the US gave up control for environmental reasons.

You don't read, perhaps you can't read, but read those books I recommended, catch up to the modern progressive thought.

#107 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:05 PM

Who gave what up?

The US gave up processing and mining for environmental reasons idiot.

#108 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:06 PM

He has a mixed record. According to almost (maybe all of them) all of the lefties on this site his record is 100% horrible.

#98 | Posted by BellRinger

Fascism (and it's latest iteration magat) corrupts everything it touches

Fight fascism everywhere all the time.

Never give a fascist an inch, ---- them all

#109 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 10:07 PM

Developing nations, like those in Africa went from trading with the US to trading with China over the past 25 years?
Why?

Because the IMF was ------- them over. US was sending Billions to China (thanks for that). Then China, with its chest of USD, gave Africa great terms.

Again read.

#110 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:07 PM

China invested, America did not

America from all my reading gave it away because they didn't want to be racist. From Nixon, to Clinton, they gave up the goat.

Its got nothing to do with GWoT, that just destroyed your reputation.

#111 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:09 PM

China has a dominant position in the rare earth mineral supply chain, controlling roughly 70% of global mining and an even larger share, around 90-92%, of the processing and refining stages.

What the ---- do you think I am takling about. 70% of the mining isn't control... its the processing.

#102 | Posted by oneironaut

I think you don't know what you are talking about

they control 70% of global mining, meaning 70% of the rare earths mined. Those are not all in China, they are throughout the world (you see that word "global")

that is what I am referring to.

America surrendered that control to china.

If you weren't an idiot it would be obvious to you

#112 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 10:10 PM

You can't even read FFS.

#103 | Posted by oneironaut

Says the person who can't understand the simple concept that controlling the mining means controlling the resources

truth hurts idiot

#113 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 10:11 PM

The one inherent benefit America had that China could not compete with was aspirational-a reputation for freedom and democracy.

False.

The only way IMO to attain Freedom and Democracy in the world is to colonize. Similar to the way the British did.

Through mass immigration the Western world is on the cusp of collapse because it didn't expand, but thought hegemony was the beez neez.

End is near for the West, the center is moving to Asia. Immigrate to Australia if they will have you.

#114 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:12 PM

This isn't factual at all. As I posted, the US gave up control for environmental reasons.
You don't read, perhaps you can't read, but read those books I recommended, catch up to the modern progressive thought.

#107 | Posted by oneironaut

If you think trade and investment in developing nations is due to environmental reasons, you are simply ignorant.

Ignorant plus stupidity is a dangerous combination.

#115 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 10:14 PM

Who gave what up?
The US gave up processing and mining for environmental reasons idiot.

#108 | Posted by oneironaut a

You're telling me the US gave up mining in foreign countries due to environmental reasons?

LOLOLOLO

you really are dumb

#116 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 10:15 PM

controlling the mining means controlling the resources

No it doesn't if you can't process it, doesn't matter how much you can mine, much like oil, when a processing plant goes down the price goes up,regardless of the amount of oil you pump. If the US didn't have environmental laws that squeezed processing they wouldn't be in this bind. The US actually SHIPS rare earth minerals to Chinas.

Did you know the US even ships logs to Japan for processing lumber, then ships the finished product back? Why? Environmentalist.

No you didn't because you're TruthHurtsTheKingOfTheIdiots!

#117 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:24 PM

Who gave what up?
Developing nations, like those in Africa went from trading with the US to trading with China over the past 25 years?
Why?
Because the US gave them military bases and bombing of muslims.
China gave them roads, ports, mines, schools, dams, wells, sewer treatment etc.
China invested, America did not
The one inherent benefit America had that China could not compete with was aspirational-a reputation for freedom and democracy.
These are facts
Posted by truthhurts at 2025-10-31 10:05 PM | Reply: 99.999999% Accurate

0.000001% missing: China also provides free medical and surgical care to poor people in Africa. The Trumpf junta dismantled USAID.

Source: www.bbc.com

#118 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-31 10:26 PM

You're telling me the US gave up mining in foreign countries due to environmental reasons?

Yes, thats what the LINK is trying to tell you, all you need to is read (abundance). But you're too set on your narrative you don't think for yourself.

Its too expensive to build processing plants given environmental laws. Much like the US can't build homes....

Again READ READ READ READ, then comeback and enlighten us with your knowledge, until then its just jelly thrown at the wall.

#119 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:26 PM

#118 | POSTED BY C0RI0LANUS

Yeah thats why China controls all the processing plants.

What a tool, you need to reject this Cornholio. He's the morons moron.

#120 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:28 PM

He's the morons moron.

That would be "moron's".

#121 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-31 10:30 PM

Chinese military casualties in the 21st century: Probably less than 200 Soldiers, mostly in the Himalayan mountains fighting skirmishes with India over a stupid high altitude border they share.

US military casualties and loss of jets and helicopters in the 21st century? Too numerous to delineate.

#122 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-31 10:31 PM

Here's another book you should read, The Shock Doctrine, by Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein.
en.wikipedia.org

Learn about how the IMF ----- over everyone, even Russia. Clinton ------ it royally with Russia, China thanks Monica too.

#123 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:32 PM

That would be "moron's".

#121 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Sure thing DialAgain, feel free to contact me when FirstNations take the deed to your property!

#124 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-10-31 10:33 PM

Based on the welcomes he has received and the outcomes of his visits it is just another example of the left getting it totally wrong.

#51 | Posted by fishpaw

What "outcomes" are you referring to here?