"Progressives Lobbyists wrote the ACA"

The Heritage Foundation dreamed up the ACA.
Governor Mitt Romney (R) implemented it in Massachusetts.

Marriage and Kids Cratering Among Liberal Young Adults
#7 | Posted by john_savage

Kids are expensive.
Of course young adults can't afford them.

"We were poor at the time, yet we never complained about "kids being expensive"

Because they were a lot cheaper back then, fool.
You are absolutely clueless, aren't you?

"Progressives, especially homosexual progressives, will be extinct before long."

Says the closeted homosexual.

A huge infusion of cash will not fix this broken system.
#75 | Posted by visitor_

Republicans have no clue how to fix health care.
No. Clue.

"Maybe Democrats shouldn't have sunsetted the subsidies"

Maybe you can explain to us why Republicans can't fix that.
Or maybe you can't.
Your choice.

"People who work are still going to have healthcare. People who are retired are still going to have healthcare. People who are disabled will still have healthcare."

^
We're all getting "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" vibes from this comment.

"It's all price gouging, one way or the other."

Such an IQ 80 comment. Completely disconnected from the real needs of Americans.

If you think insurance is price gouging, try going to the ER without it!

"So now it's our place to pay for their healthcare?"

It would be cheaper if we paid for everybody's health care, but that doesn't make sense to you.

And even if it could make sense to you, you'd still oppose it based on ideology.

"So now it's our place to pay for their healthcare?"

Is it a better place for Americans where in addition to paying for their health care, we also pay a little extra the health care company shareholders? Because that's the country we live in.

Illegal immigrants do it all the time and pay nothing.
#97 | Posted by lfthndthrds

So why can't you do that?
What's stopping you?

BS If you're arguing for continuing to give these subsidies to the ins companies, you've lost the argument.
#101 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I've lost?

What winning plans do you have to continue these people's health insurance?

Nothing.

You say I lost, but you aren't even playing the game!

It was meant to stabilize someone who would otherwise die and I agree with that. It was never meant to be an ear, nose and throat clinic.
#109 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Yeah well with no other options what did you think people were gonna do?

Your inability to empathize seems like a product of your inability to think in general.

"It was meant to stabilize an illegal ------- who would otherwise die and I agree with that"

No you don't.

You think that person should be turned away.

other than not wanting to be a schitbag and leave someone else holding the bill
#108 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Your favorite President has no problem being a schitbag and leaving someone else holding the bill.

So it sounds like you're just lying.

It sounds like you know what morals are, and you are clever enough to pretend to have them, but only when it suits your politics of cruelty to the poor.

Classic example of Dems failed policy being blamed on someone else because we won't keep throwing money at it.
#119 | Posted by lfthndthrds

If Republicans think the Dem policy is a failure, then Republicans should make a better policy.

What's the disconnect here?

Is it possible the republicans are holding some sort of alternative in their pockets? Something they are holding onto for as long as possible?
#123 | Posted by eberly

Hahahahaha.
Ahahahahahaha.
Stop it, you're killing me.

Closeted homoerotic comments is the other thing you do when you have no argument.

Which happens a lot.

"You're not arguing at all."

He doesn't know how.
I don't think he even knows what "having a conversation" is.
He's a lot like Trump, and that's not a compliment.

"Republicans have done none of the legwork."

Republicans had the Heritage Foundation do the legwork in the 90s.
That was the genesis of Romneycare, and the ideological basis for the ACA.

Now, Republicans don't have a plan, but they all agree the Heritage Foundation plan Newt Gingrich championed thirty years ago was wrong.

And why? Because it doesn't punish the poor hard enough.

Closeted homoerotic comments is the other thing you do when you have no argument.
#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:
You can blame that on JPWs late-night, drunken confessions.
Wait...Are you not using the term "---" anymore?
#138 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You're the one making the comments, because you're the one with the closeted homoerotic fantasies.

--- is a word for people who aren't in the closet.
You're in the closet.
You still claim you're straight.
But you're lying.

His dad raped his mom? That was probably legal in Louisiana at the time.

'The ACA passed without support from a single Republican."

Yeah and in related news:
The sun rose this morning without support from a single Republican too.

If you're so intent on not owning Obamacare:
Why don't Republicans just repeal the stupid thing already?

"You're saying the republicans stopped the democrats from even coming up with something better?"

Republicans refused to work with Democrats at all on Obamacare.

So if you believe that Republicans have any good ideas on health care reform, then yes.

Republicans stopped themselves from helping the Democrats come up with something better.

If you're a sane person, you understand Republicans simply adopted a policy of refusing to work with Democrats on anything starting at Noon on Jan 20, 2009 because Obama.

The GOPs intent was to not support the bill regardless so why did the democrats allow their amendments?
#158 | Posted by eberly

Maybe they were trying to win your support as a moderate Republican.

"I asked what prevented the democrats with coming up with something better."

Capitalism.

Not that they wanted to, but let's say Democrats tried to do Single Payer.

Do you think Democrats can successfully implement a government program which will subsume 18% of GDP in the face of Republican opposition?

I don't.

So, we got Government Subsidized Private Insurance. It's not the best plan in the world, maybe it's the worst, but I suspect that in terms of getting more people insured, we're better than we used to be.

And now, Republicans are crying they don't want to pay the subsidies any more.

And here we are.

just a few posts above it was stated the republican added 160 amendments working with the democrats.
They did work with them......right up to the point where they didn't vote for it.
#164 | Posted by eberly

That works for me.

They changed their minds at the last minute when told to by their leaders. Sounds exactly like Republicans to me.

It aldo sounds like Democrats, but it sounds a lot more like Republicans.

Does it look different to you?

They didn't need any of their votes to pass it so why the need to invite them to the table and let them destroy the bill?

They didn't want it to appear they were shoving this health care bill down our throats, by giving Republicans every opportunity to participate in the process.

The end result is Republicans say Obama shoved this health care bill down our throats.

Then you get the true visionaries like LftHndThrds who say, why should Republicans fix this health care bill that Obama shoved down our throats?

It's absolutely amazing how we Democrats been talking about health care on this site for over fifteen years, and you Republicans haven't learned a damn thing in that time.

In fact, you've gotten stupider. Deliberately stupider. Getting health leadership from RFK Jr is going to kill people. And Eberly it reads like you're running interference for that.

zero leverage...and still got what they wanted in the bill.
#167 | Posted by eberly

Is that wrong?

Should Democrats have not allowed the Republicans to participate in the legislative process, since they had the votes?

"JFC, did anybody even try to introduce single payer?"

Bernie tried.

"The only thing better was single payer and the democrats wouldn't do it. Not then....not now."

Well maybe
since you seen to be able to accept that

now we can move on to how do we address the issues at hand!

Which is: It's better to extend the Obamacare subsidies, than let them sunset.

And enough Republicans agree with that, for Mike Johnson to send the House to recess.

So yeah, that's the secret plan you were hoping the Republicans have up their sleeve. No vote on subsidies, until the new year, and the new bills are already skyrocketed for millions of Americans.

Should Democrats have not allowed the Republicans to participate in the legislative process, since they had the votes?
That's my question.
I think it's a fair question.
#174 | Posted by eberly

I think it's a ------ed question that shows how much you Republicans hate America.

If you live in a democracy and your government is creating a bill that represents everyone's interests and personally affects every American's health, and you knew it was a political live wire, which would you choose?

One party dictates, or both parties work together?

only a ------ fascist who doesn't understand fascism asks this question.

Gotcha. We can stop talking about it.
#178 | Posted by eberly

Oh no I think it's very informative to have these discussions.

What's your answer to #176, where America elected a President on mandate of health care reform.

Should that President use his mandate to direct his party in Congress to unilaterally shove "reform" down our throats, since they have the majority?

Or should he direct Congress to let the other party provide their input and represent their constituents, just like the both parties in the legislative process typically do?

If you had prior credible coverage, you weren't going to be impacted by pre-existing exclusions.
#198 | Posted by eberly

Break it down for us, how many people had prior credible coverage, how many didn't?
Like an 80/20 thing?

It's not a big deal to you if 20% of people lose health insurance, over this, then?

What's the percentage where it starts to matter, to Republicans, since they voted against ACA and apparently were okay with the e.g. 80/20 split on people getting screwed by pre existing conditions?

I ask the question to underscore the point that Republicans have absolutely no solutions and no ideas and not even any suggestions for health care reform.

Another benefit of ACA was it sort of federalized these rules and took the complexity of 50 different states applying their own rules regarding how pre-existing exclusions would be applied.
#200 | Posted by eberly

Aw man. Simplicity instead of complexity?
Not able to screw people over because they crossed an arbitrary state line?
You're painting a great picture of why Republicans hate Obamacare so much... and also why they are not able to repeal it.

"are you saying there were no protections in place for folks with pre existing conditions prior to ACA?"

I'm saying it was a significant concern for fifty million Americans.

Actually it's YOUR healthcare system.
Enjoy
#184 | Posted by eberly

I thought you said it had like 160 Republican amendments added to it, in a stunning display of bipartisanship.
Anyway, if it's so damn awful, why won't Republicans repeal it?
Enjoy dodging that question for the rest of your life.