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Wednesday, December 17, 2025

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We have the 218 signatures needed to bring a 3-year extension of ACA subsidies to a vote.

We can take this vote TODAY! Republicans can vote to change the House rules and move the bill forward NOW.

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"That is a boon to Democratic leadership, which has stood firm in its demand for a longer term extension rather than the one- and two-year proposals put forth by centrist lawmakers in both parties.

But the proposal is likely to run aground in the Senate, where Republicans have already voted against an identical measure."

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SO... this is some House GOPhers trying to keep their jobs back home knowing all the while that Trumpers in the Senate have their back.

Some heroes they are. Not.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-17 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Senate won't play ball, this is theater.

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2025-12-17 11:24 AM | Reply

Corporate Democrats will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It's their m.o.

Republicans realize they are repugnant to their own base and fear their own town halls.

Progressives will replace all of these cretins.

#3 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-12-17 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Progressives wrote the ACA and it's such a failure that it needs to be subsidized. And since it's being subsidized insurance companies are milking it for all it's worth.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-12-17 12:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Progressives Lobbyists wrote the ACA

#5 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pathetic

#6 | Posted by Truthhurts at 2025-12-17 12:59 PM | Reply

The Progressive Moment Is Over - by Ruy Teixeira
The Progressive Moment in Global Politics Is Over
A Progressive's Doubts About Progressivism in the Age of Trump
Progressives Reject Progressivism

and they aren't coming back-

Marriage and Kids Cratering Among Liberal Young Adults

#7 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 01:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yes you are.

#8 | Posted by fortfisher at 2025-12-17 01:01 PM | Reply

Progressives Lobbyists wrote the ACA

#5 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Knowing that progressives would pass it.

#9 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-12-17 01:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just live out your pathetic sunset, progressive boomers. You have, collectively and by large, rationalized yourselves out of the gene-pool.
Your ideological descendants are here already, and they are not doing well-

Authorities Arrest Members of a Far-Left Terror Cell Who Allegedly Planned New Year's Eve Bombing and Shooting Attacks

It's ironic, that the cause celebre del dia of progressives - disrupting society for the benefit of so-called illegals, which are anything but nonbreeding would-be "intellectual" progressives.

#10 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Progressives wrote the ACA and it's such a failure that it needs to be subsidized. And since it's being subsidized insurance companies are milking it for all it's worth.
#4 | Posted by fishpaw at 2025-12-17 12:51 PM

Romneycare?

Do you just use a toast-scented air freshener to keep it a guessing game?

#11 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-12-17 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Progressives Lobbyists wrote the ACA"

The Heritage Foundation dreamed up the ACA.
Governor Mitt Romney (R) implemented it in Massachusetts.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 01:14 PM | Reply

Reading your posts,Trump must be in a lot of deep ----, JOHN.

Just saying. Now, who are you really?

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 01:17 PM | Reply

Marriage and Kids Cratering Among Liberal Young Adults
#7 | Posted by john_savage

Kids are expensive.
Of course young adults can't afford them.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump must be in a lot of deep ----

Our gov is a reciprocating engine, operating as designed, transporting energy upstream. Naturally it will swing one way and then the other.
Watch, fascinated, as your energy is extracted and sent up the pyramid.

#15 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 01:31 PM | Reply

Yep. Trump is in deep ----.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 01:32 PM | Reply

Kids are expensive.
Of course young adults can't afford them.

Not really.
1) If you're wealthy, kids only take a small piece, but you begrudge even that. This is why they generally grow up to hate you, and you (generally) even deny them an inheritance.

2) If you're poor, kids are a valuable asset. Their needs are met by the State, and your tax bracket goes negative.

#17 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 01:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Scatterberg?

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 01:36 PM | Reply

I remember kids being expensive. Vivid memory.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 01:38 PM | Reply

Scumbeg?

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 01:38 PM | Reply

This is daddysfist's latest username.

#21 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-12-17 01:40 PM | Reply

#13
Son of Tomakin

#22 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 01:40 PM | Reply

I remember kids being expensive. Vivid memory.

#19 | Posted by Zed

You have children? ...Or had them, perhaps. A loving wife, too?
They hate you now, don't they?

#23 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 01:46 PM | Reply

"They hate you now, don't they?"

Every post a confession continues...

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-17 01:48 PM | Reply

Daddysfist is another PWZ pariah.

#25 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-12-17 01:49 PM | Reply

Everyone loves me but you.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 01:50 PM | Reply

A longtime friend of mine is a card-carrying progressive. He complained "kids are expensive" meme.
His wife ran off, his children hate him, and he has but will never see his grandchildren.
Plans on leaving his estate to a liberal charity.
This is the progressive utopia. The cost is greater than what you may spend on your children, and the end game is a shared room and lying in your dirty diaper.
Enjoy your disposable income. It's all you had, and all you deserved.

#27 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 01:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Everyone loves me but you.

#26 | Posted by Zed

Rather presumptive on both counts.

#28 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 01:56 PM | Reply

Daddysfist, you're as believable as the------------ you worship.

#29 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-12-17 01:57 PM | Reply

I wasn't complaining. Kids are great. Best thing I ever did. Find a woman and try it.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 01:58 PM | Reply

QCP @ #2

"The Senate won't play ball, this is theater.

Possibly. Trump has them in a tight choke hold. Problem is, the Senate GOPers are also aware that the Blue Wave is going to cost them seats in November, and likely the majority, if they don't play ball with the House.

Senators are getting the same earfull of expletives from their constituents as the House over the new cost of health care.

Plus, Trump's poll numbers in the tank and getting worse. Trump is not an asset to their re-election. He's a liability now.

It's decision time.

#31 | Posted by Twinpac at 2025-12-17 01:58 PM | Reply

Will you have medical insurance next year?

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 02:00 PM | Reply

"john_savage"

This particular sock name is like over-the-top Nick Fuentes-style overcompensation, rofl!

And Domestic Terrorism in this country is now and has for decades been, according to the FBI and Homeland Security, the nearly exclusive provenance of far right White Nationalists and White Supremacists.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-17 02:06 PM | Reply

#30 |
I did.
We were poor at the time, yet we never complained about "kids being expensive". They hear when you think that, and it hurts them.
I have vivid memories, but of the benefit, not of the cost.

#34 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 02:09 PM | Reply

"We were poor at the time, yet we never complained about "kids being expensive"

Because they were a lot cheaper back then, fool.
You are absolutely clueless, aren't you?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 02:16 PM | Reply

Your creating ---- where there is none. You do that a lot.

The simple fact is that raising children is hard if you do it the right way, and that includes the money.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-17 02:19 PM | Reply

Tapping the sign now-

Marriage and Kids Cratering Among Liberal Young Adults

-They hear you, that's why. Not because "it's expensive", because they hear you and feel the pain they caused you, so don't want that to happen to them.
Antinatalism leading to social darwinism. Progressives, especially homosexual progressives, will be extinct before long.

#37 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 02:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Daddysfist is a miserable MAGAt incel.

#38 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-12-17 02:36 PM | Reply

"Progressives, especially homosexual progressives, will be extinct before long."

Says the closeted homosexual.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-17 02:47 PM | Reply

Progressives, especially homosexual progressives, will be extinct before long.

#37 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 02:34 PM | Reply

That should really please the MAGAts. The people MAGAts hate the most will be eliminated without all the expense of time and money otherwise required to gas and burn them.

#40 | Posted by anton at 2025-12-17 02:51 PM | Reply

Progressives, especially homosexual progressives, will be extinct before long.

#37 | Posted by john_savage at 2025-12-17 02:34 PM | Reply

LOL

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-17 02:52 PM | Reply

There have been gay and bisexual people since the beginning of time. You're not going to live to see them all gone.

#42 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-17 02:56 PM | Reply

"Argh! Stupid homosexual progressives! Blargh! Stupid! Gargh!"

#43 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-12-17 03:10 PM | Reply

A longtime friend of mine is a card-carrying progressive.

via GIPHY

#44 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-12-17 03:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Republicans have never been serious about offering up a serious plan, let alone getting serious about "concept(s) of a plan."
They've been awfully busy doing other, more important stuff.
Well, taking about two months off and shutting the House to help Trump with his Epstein coverup.

#45 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-12-17 03:35 PM | Reply

Ira Goldberg, the signature Hubris and contempt for others is a dead giveaway.

Why do these -------- keep resurrecting themselves?

#46 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-12-17 03:39 PM | Reply

"Scatterberg?
"Scumbeg?

I was just about to suggest waiting, and the screaming from the closet would confirm.

"Progressives, especially homosexual progressives..."

Annnnnnd...confirmed.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-17 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Ira Goldberg,

When's the last time that character posted here under that handle?

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-17 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

especially homosexual progressives, will be extinct before long.
#37 | Posted by john_savage

Gays and trans have ALWAYS been here. Your bull ---- decree will have zero impact on that fact moving forward, you silly cultist! HAHAHAHA!!!

#49 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-12-17 03:59 PM | Reply

Mike Johnson, well known homosexual pedophile, has taken one for the pedo team and is left hung out to dry. Delicious.

#50 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-17 03:59 PM | Reply

And why does the same mother ------- retarded imbecile keep coming up with new dock puppets? Doc Savage?? Puh-lease. You're as savage as a Lhasa Apso.

#51 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-17 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"When's the last time that character posted here under that handle?"

About nine closeted names ago.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-17 04:05 PM | Reply

"And why does the same mother ---- retarded imbecile keep coming up with new sock puppets? Doc Savage?? Puh-lease. You're as savage as a Lhasa Apso."

#51 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-17 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag: "Grrr!"


#53 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-12-17 04:11 PM | Reply

john_savage

Useless piece of human filth plonked.

#54 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-12-17 04:19 PM | Reply

Progressives wrote the ACA and it's such a failure that it needs to be subsidized. And since it's being subsidized insurance companies are milking it for all it's worth.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw

The ACA was a republican plan and healthcare costs were rising before it was enacted as well.

PLUS you couldnt get coverage if you had a preexisting condition.

Want to go back to that?

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-12-17 04:37 PM | Reply

Fire up the money cannon it's vote buying time for the Democrats. Paper over a problem Democrats created with pallets-o-cash. Sound familiar?

#56 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-17 04:40 PM | Reply

pallets-o-cash. Sound familiar?

#56 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Indeed. Very.

$7.8 million to $13.6 million from foreign governments..

Up to $160 million from international business dealings..

At least half a billion dollars" in potential donations, gifts, and in-kind contributions..

$16 million in settlement money..

Over $1.2 billion in personal fortune made from his cryptocurrency schemes

$1 billion in campaign contributions..

$10 million in cash that the Egyptian government reportedly attempted to funnel to his 2016 campaign, an illegal act that was the subject of an FBI investigation that was later quashed..

People that live in cash houses shouldn't throw stones.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-17 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Fire up the money cannon it's vote buying time for the Democrats. Paper over a problem Democrats created with pallets-o-cash. Sound familiar?

#56 | Posted by visitor_

Fire up the money cannon, our kids need to be burdened with debt so billionaires can have tax cuts, and you're totally cool with it.

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-12-17 05:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Progressives wrote the ACA and it's such a failure that it needs to be subsidized. And since it's being subsidized insurance companies are milking it for all it's worth.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw

Fishpaw is old enough to remember how bad insurance was BEFORE the ACA but continues to lie like your typical MAGAt.

The ACA cut premium increases IN HALF until the GOP ditched the mandate.

Even then they were lower.

Hey MAGAt Pedo Lover, where is your alternative plan we've been hearing about for 10 years?

Come on, you little lying hack, give us an alternative.

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-12-17 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I knew when Obamacare was passed it would be a political football for the rest of our lives.........always needing more and more and more of the taxpayers money

Obamacare has been an absolute failure

#60 | Posted by Maverick at 2025-12-17 06:52 PM | Reply

"Even then they were lower"

Here's something most folks don't realize: even if the prices of a health care policy stay the same, THEY GO UP EVERY YEAR.

Why? Because you got a year older. Premiums are based on YOUR AGE.

For example, for policy number XYZ-2025, there isn't ONE price. There are THIRTY-EIGHT different prices, all based on your age between 27-64. (This assumes you're on your parents' plan until 26, and Medicare at 65.)

The price for a 47 year old will ALWAYS be MORE than for a 46 year old, and ALWAYS LESS than for a 48 year old. And that's if the prices DON'T rise!

And YOUR five most expensive years will be between 60-64. Current plans top out around $1500 mo per person.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-17 07:03 PM | Reply

The usual lamebrain right wingers plus some desperate new sock puppet named John Savage, all of them still pretending they're going to stay in power. How terribly predictable.

#62 | Posted by cbob at 2025-12-17 09:11 PM | Reply

Progressives wrote the ACA and it's such a failure that it needs to be subsidized. And since it's being subsidized insurance companies are milking it for all it's worth.

#4 | Posted by fishpaw

The ACA started as a Republican policy in Romney's time as Gov of Mass, further watered down during it's run through Congress as Republicans kept moving the goalposts and, finally, turning on a policy of their own making solely because they couldn't let Dems have a win on anything popular. It was never meant to be more than a step toward something better, just the best that could be done at the time. If "Progressives" had written the bill, the insurance industry would have been cut out, entirely.

#63 | Posted by morris at 2025-12-17 09:57 PM | Reply

"The ACA was a republican plan"

So the republicans really reformed healthcare? The democrats merely plagiarized it and took credit for it?

The democrats thought of............nothing?

that's pretty harsh. Sometime I wonder if Sucksoftly isn't really a republican in drag.

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-17 10:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-If "Progressives" had written the bill, the insurance industry would have been cut out, entirely.

The progressives said exactly that at the time.

But the dems demand they support it regardless.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-17 10:11 PM | Reply

When was RINO Romney President? Never. Democrats own Obamacare. Like I said, fire up the money cannons.

#66 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-17 10:13 PM | Reply

If "Progressives" had written the bill, the insurance industry would have been cut out, entirely.
The progressives said exactly that at the time.
But the dems demand they support it regardless.
Posted by eberly at 2025-12-17 10:11 PM | Reply

Damned straight. Obama betrayed us progressives.

#67 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-12-17 10:23 PM | Reply

The ACA was a compromise. That's the way things used to be done. Because a more radical reconstruction of the healthcare industry was not going to happen.

You can hold your breath until your face turns blue but it doesn't mean you're going to get what you want and it doesn't make you a hero if you stand your ground and nobody gets help.

#68 | Posted by cbob at 2025-12-17 10:48 PM | Reply

ACA didn't get a single GOP vote. Dems own it.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-18 12:21 AM | Reply

Trump and Moses Mike own it. They just broke the ACA. Credits expire December 31st and Johnson is not going to allow a vote.

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obamacare has been an absolute failure

#60 | Posted by Maverick

When you start calling saving lives a failure, you should re evaluate your morals.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-12-18 12:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ACA didn't get a single GOP vote. Dems own it.

#69 | Posted by BellRinger

Republicans breaking government to prove that government is broken is the lamest game in the book.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-12-18 12:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This would be a good time for Lewzer to roll out his concept of a plan.

#73 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-12-18 12:39 AM | Reply

ACA didn't get a single GOP vote. Dems own it.
#69 | Posted by BellRinger

By removing the individual mandate and related penalties it was doomed to die.

The GOP did that.

That was their goal.

They created this problem in order to kill the ACA because fk the dirty poors demanding health care.

#74 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-12-18 07:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A huge infusion of cash will not fix this broken system.

#75 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-18 11:06 AM | Reply

A huge infusion of cash will not fix this broken system.
#75 | Posted by visitor_

Republicans have no clue how to fix health care.
No. Clue.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 11:22 AM | Reply

Democrats are screaming for a vote because the money faucet from the ins lobby is about to dry up.

#77 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 11:31 AM | Reply

People are gonna lose everything without health insurance. Or die.

You don't care because you're rich, and think you're immune to a bad economy. You might figure it out when a poor person mugs you.

#78 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:36 AM | Reply

" Dems own it"

What a riot.

Republicans refused to EVER tweak it, then chopped off its leg by killing the mandate.

The ACA, minus the mandate, is TrumpCare.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-18 11:44 AM | Reply

People are gonna lose everything without health insurance. Or die.

You don't care because you're rich, and think you're immune to a bad economy. You might figure it out when a poor person mugs you.

#78 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:36 AM | Reply | Flag

People who work are still going to have healthcare. People who are retired are still going to have healthcare. People who are disabled will still have healthcare.

People who don't contribute to anything and/or illegal immigrants who are depending on subsidies to keep them insured will be another story. These millennials who are no longer eligible for coverage on dad's plan are in for a rude awakening but the good thing is they're still young.

I will likely have to find another HC policy 1st quarter next year. As it is, I pay over $13,000/year for my insurance (just for me)and no one subsidizes me. If I were 25 years younger I'd just put that money in an HSA.

#80 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 11:48 AM | Reply

Maybe Democrats shouldn't have sunsetted the subsidies, er, taxpayer cash infusion to the health insurance providers.

#81 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-18 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People who work are still going to have healthcare

Wrong. 1099 people who rely on the ACA to have insurance that isn't price gouging are screwed. Bad.

You're an insulated moron.

#82 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:50 AM | Reply

-Maybe Democrats shouldn't have sunsetted the subsidies

couldn't have passed it otherwise, I would imagine.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 11:51 AM | Reply

Lfthandturds is so dumb he thinks workers at Walmart deserve to lose their insurance. because they weren't able to get his job.

#84 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:52 AM | Reply

"Maybe Democrats shouldn't have sunsetted the subsidies"

Maybe you can explain to us why Republicans can't fix that.
Or maybe you can't.
Your choice.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 11:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Mike Johnson turned the voting off. Same thing he did with the Epstein files.

#86 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:53 AM | Reply

"People who work are still going to have healthcare. People who are retired are still going to have healthcare. People who are disabled will still have healthcare."

^
We're all getting "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" vibes from this comment.

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 11:54 AM | Reply

Wrong. 1099 people who rely on the ACA to have insurance that isn't price gouging are screwed. Bad.

You're an insulated moron.

#82 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag

It's all price gouging, one way or the other. In case you missed this part, our government doesn't make anything. They simply take money from us and redistribute it to any and all things they see fit. So the taxpayer is on the hook for these subsidies.

#88 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 11:57 AM | Reply

So the taxpayer is on the hook for these subsidies.

We can afford it.

#89 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:58 AM | Reply

"It's all price gouging, one way or the other."

Such an IQ 80 comment. Completely disconnected from the real needs of Americans.

If you think insurance is price gouging, try going to the ER without it!

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lfthandturds is so dumb he thinks workers at Walmart deserve to lose their insurance. because they weren't able to get his job.

#84 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's been a minute since I looked at this, but I don't believe Walmart or any other retail establishment furnishes healthcare for part time workers. So now it's our place to pay for their healthcare?

#91 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:00 PM | Reply

And by "we" I mean you and I, Lfthand.

We have money. We can afford to pay a little more in taxes to ensure that our poorest citizens don't lose their ass. Or die. In fact, it's what we're supposed to do.

What kind of chaos do you want to live in? You think it won't touch you?

#92 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:01 PM | Reply

"So now it's our place to pay for their healthcare?"

It would be cheaper if we paid for everybody's health care, but that doesn't make sense to you.

And even if it could make sense to you, you'd still oppose it based on ideology.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:02 PM | Reply

" It's all price gouging, one way or the other."

Someone should write a plan that makes it affordable.

Snark aside, do you believe Republicans have ANY responsibility to address health insurance issues? Any at all?!? Because you're not asking a damned thing from them. Ever.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-18 12:03 PM | Reply

It is our responsibility to have empathy and care for our citizens.

Or else government is basically worthless.

#95 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:03 PM | Reply

We can afford it.

#89 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag

That's rich coming from someone screaming abut the price of groceries.

#96 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:04 PM | Reply

If you think insurance is price gouging, try going to the ER without it!

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag

Illegal immigrants do it all the time and pay nothing.

#97 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:05 PM | Reply

That's rich coming from someone screaming abut the price of groceries.
#96 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag

Yeah, because it hurts OTHER PEOPLE. I will be fine.

I'm sorry you don't care about other people. Maybe go to church?

#98 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:05 PM | Reply

We have money. We can afford to pay a little more in taxes to ensure that our poorest citizens don't lose their ass. Or die. In fact, it's what we're supposed to do.

What kind of chaos do you want to live in? You think it won't touch you?

#92 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

And exactly what were all these people doing before the subsidies kicked in? According to you they were mugging me at gunpoint.

#99 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:07 PM | Reply

"So now it's our place to pay for their healthcare?"

Is it a better place for Americans where in addition to paying for their health care, we also pay a little extra the health care company shareholders? Because that's the country we live in.

Health companies return $2.6 trillion to shareholders over time amid rising medical costs
www.usatoday.com

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:09 PM | Reply

It would be cheaper if we paid for everybody's health care, but that doesn't make sense to you.

And even if it could make sense to you, you'd still oppose it based on ideology.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

BS If you're arguing for continuing to give these subsidies to the ins companies, you've lost the argument.

#101 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:09 PM | Reply

" Maybe Democrats shouldn't have sunsetted the subsidies"

Using that "logic", Republicans sunsetted the trillions in tax giveaways.

But they had no problem extending what they really wanted, did they?

#102 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-18 12:10 PM | Reply

Illegal immigrants do it all the time and pay nothing.
#97 | Posted by lfthndthrds

So why can't you do that?
What's stopping you?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:10 PM | Reply

Illegal immigrants do it all the time and pay nothing.
#97 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Thank Reagan for that. Before people were being turned away for not having insurance, which you apparently prefer.

#104 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:11 PM | Reply

BS If you're arguing for continuing to give these subsidies to the ins companies, you've lost the argument.
#101 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I've lost?

What winning plans do you have to continue these people's health insurance?

Nothing.

You say I lost, but you aren't even playing the game!

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:12 PM | Reply

Someone should write a plan that makes it affordable.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-18 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Somebody(s) did already and its an abject failure. And at least one of you posting here is clearly blaming it on Republicans. That person is also trying to make insulting comments about other's IQs. SMH

#106 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:15 PM | Reply

blaming it on Republicans

It's absolutely Mike Johnson's fault. He won't allow a vote on the subsidies after Democrats got a promise for a vote on subsidies for ending the government shut down.

Pay attention.

#107 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:16 PM | Reply

So why can't you do that?
What's stopping you?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess nothing, other than not wanting to be a schitbag and leave someone else holding the bill that will be passed on to others who do have insurance and driving their costs up.

#108 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:18 PM | Reply

Thank Reagan for that. Before people were being turned away for not having insurance, which you apparently prefer.

#104 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

It was meant to stabilize someone who would otherwise die and I agree with that. It was never meant to be an ear, nose and throat clinic.

#109 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:19 PM | Reply

I guess nothing, other than not wanting to be a schitbag and leave someone else holding the bill that will be passed on to others who do have insurance and driving their costs up.

#108 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Being poor and sick is being a shit bag in your world.

You have zero idea how lucky you are to have money. You think you did it all yourself, and have no obligations to be a human being to others less fortunate.

Pathetic.

#110 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:19 PM | Reply

It's absolutely Mike Johnson's fault. He won't allow a vote on the subsidies after Democrats got a promise for a vote on subsidies for ending the government shut down.

Pay attention.

#107 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag

Boofukinhoo. We all know why.

Win an election or something.

#111 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:22 PM | Reply

Boofukinhoo. We all know why.

So you're okay with Johnson lying. How surprising!

#112 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:23 PM | Reply

It was meant to stabilize someone who would otherwise die and I agree with that. It was never meant to be an ear, nose and throat clinic.
#109 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Yeah well with no other options what did you think people were gonna do?

Your inability to empathize seems like a product of your inability to think in general.

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:25 PM | Reply

"It was meant to stabilize an illegal shitbag who would otherwise die and I agree with that"

No you don't.

You think that person should be turned away.

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:26 PM | Reply

You have zero idea how lucky you are to have money. You think you did it all yourself, and have no obligations to be a human being to others less fortunate.

Pathetic.

#110 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

No one gave me anything, except an opportunity. Opportunity exists for those looking to make something of themselves.

Turns out, making good decisions is keeping me warm, dry and fed....... and insured.

#115 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:27 PM | Reply

None of this has turned out as promised. None of it. Dems own that.

#116 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-18 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No one gave me anything

You really believe that. LOL

#117 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:29 PM | Reply

-Turns out, making good decisions is keeping me warm, dry and fed....... and insured.

It also deserves criticism here, apparently.

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 12:30 PM | Reply

None of this has turned out as promised. None of it. Dems own that.

#116 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-12-18 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Classic example of Dems failed policy being blamed on someone else because we won't keep throwing money at it.

#119 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:30 PM | Reply

other than not wanting to be a schitbag and leave someone else holding the bill
#108 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Your favorite President has no problem being a schitbag and leaving someone else holding the bill.

So it sounds like you're just lying.

It sounds like you know what morals are, and you are clever enough to pretend to have them, but only when it suits your politics of cruelty to the poor.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:31 PM | Reply

Republicans destroyed the ACA. They own all three branches of government, so this is entirely on them.

MAGA can't figure that out, which is why they are MAGA. Jeff is just trolling because his wife won't fuck him.

#121 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Classic example of Dems failed policy being blamed on someone else because we won't keep throwing money at it.
#119 | Posted by lfthndthrds

If Republicans think the Dem policy is a failure, then Republicans should make a better policy.

What's the disconnect here?

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:32 PM | Reply

"do you believe Republicans have ANY responsibility to address health insurance issues? Any at all?!? Because you're not asking a damned thing from them. Ever."

Is it possible the republicans are holding some sort of alternative in their pockets? Something they are holding onto for as long as possible?

#123 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 12:34 PM | Reply

Trump isn't competent enough to fix anything. Plus he doesn't care.

#124 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:35 PM | Reply

-Jeff is just trolling because his wife won't fuck him.

He should call Yav, who specializes in fucking married men.

#125 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 12:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Flagged funny by lfthndthrds

passive aggressive shit bird.

#126 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:36 PM | Reply

Trumps had close to ten years to create a better health care plan.

Nothing. Because he can't. All he can do is destroy something a Black man that made fun of him created.

#127 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:37 PM | Reply

Is it possible the republicans are holding some sort of alternative in their pockets? Something they are holding onto for as long as possible?
#123 | Posted by eberly

Hahahahaha.
Ahahahahahaha.
Stop it, you're killing me.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:39 PM | Reply

passive aggressive shit bird.

#126 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

How is it passive/aggressive when it's clearly displayed who flagged it?

#129 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:39 PM | Reply

Funny flagging comments is what you do when you have no argument. Every time.

#130 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:40 PM | Reply

Funny flagging comments is what you do when you have no argument. Every time.

#130 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:40 PM | Reply | Fla

Sorry, I'm not arguing with you about some posters sex life.

#131 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:44 PM | Reply

"Is it possible the republicans are holding some sort of alternative in their pockets?"

No.

They'll claim it's an alternative, but no doubt it'll be a two thousand dollar answer to a ten thousand dollar problem.

Actually having a plan, instead of just the concept of a plan, requires months of proposals, counter-proposals, and public hearings. Republicans have done none of the legwork.

#132 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-18 12:45 PM | Reply

Someone's 'feels' got hurt over a funny flag.

This: X 1000 Newsworthy:

Classic example of Dems failed policy being blamed on someone else because we won't keep throwing money at it.

#119 | Posted by lfthndthrds

#133 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-18 12:45 PM | Reply

Closeted homoerotic comments is the other thing you do when you have no argument.

Which happens a lot.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're not arguing at all.

"Poor people are dumb and deserve to die" is not an argument, it's a selfish tantrum because you're too cheap to pay for something.

#135 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:46 PM | Reply

Sorry, I'm not arguing with you about some posters sex life.

#131 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tell it to JPW next time you talk about him being in a gloryhole. You're actually retarded.

#136 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:47 PM | Reply

"You're not arguing at all."

He doesn't know how.
I don't think he even knows what "having a conversation" is.
He's a lot like Trump, and that's not a compliment.

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:48 PM | Reply

Closeted homoerotic comments is the other thing you do when you have no argument.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can blame that on JPWs late-night, drunken confessions.

Wait...Are you not using the term "fag" anymore?

#138 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:51 PM | Reply

"Republicans have done none of the legwork."

Republicans had the Heritage Foundation do the legwork in the 90s.
That was the genesis of Romneycare, and the ideological basis for the ACA.

Now, Republicans don't have a plan, but they all agree the Heritage Foundation plan Newt Gingrich championed thirty years ago was wrong.

And why? Because it doesn't punish the poor hard enough.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:52 PM | Reply

Tell it to JPW next time you talk about him being in a gloryhole.
#136 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

That wasn't an argument.. That was about 5 of us laughing at his homo comments.

#140 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:52 PM | Reply

Closeted homoerotic comments is the other thing you do when you have no argument.
#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:
You can blame that on JPWs late-night, drunken confessions.
Wait...Are you not using the term "fag" anymore?
#138 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You're the one making the comments, because you're the one with the closeted homoerotic fantasies.

Fag is a word for people who aren't in the closet.
You're in the closet.
You still claim you're straight.
But you're lying.

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:54 PM | Reply

Luvsorangeturds also laughs about his dad raping his sister.

#142 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-12-18 12:54 PM | Reply

His dad raped his mom? That was probably legal in Louisiana at the time.

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 12:55 PM | Reply

Sorry, I'm not arguing with you about some posters sex life.

Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 12:44 PM | Reply

I bet you think being gay is a mental illness.
#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-15 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:
It mostly is, but you just call them ----...

Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-15 02:04 PM | Reply

What causes some states like WI to have below average IQ so widely?
#12 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-13 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:
The same thing that causes people to suck a dick at a frat party.

Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-15 03:52 AM | Reply

#144 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:55 PM | Reply

132

That's what I would think and I can't imagine a real plan staying under the radar.

#145 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 12:57 PM | Reply

-Are you not using the term "fag" anymore?

this is never not funny....

www.youtube.com

#146 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 01:01 PM | Reply

"Somebody(s) did already and its an abject failure. "

Sorry pal, that's like buying a house, not doing anything to upkeep it for decades, and then blaming the prior owners when things go bad.

Republicans refused to EVER fix the problems, for fear they'd be primaried for SUPPORTING Obamacare. Then they chopped out the one thing EVERY HONEST BROKER has admitted is the lynchpin of the system.

Why can't you proudly take responsibility for what the Republicans purposely did? Obamacare minus the mandate is TrumpCare. Embrace it.

#147 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-18 01:18 PM | Reply

The same thing that causes people to suck a dick at a frat party.

Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-15 03:52 AM | Reply

#144 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's funny shit right there. He literally asked someone if they ever passed out and woke up with a salty taste in their mouth.
Heliumrat asked him how he knew it was salty if he never did it? Then he went on a bender and was making comments about eating poon but used "him" in place of her. Yeah he deserves everything he gets.

#148 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-12-18 01:21 PM | Reply

That's funny shit right there.

So is bringing it up literally every day, years later. Almost obsessive.

#149 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-12-18 01:35 PM | Reply

Democrats are screaming for a vote because the money faucet from the ins lobby is about to dry up.

#77 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Republicans watch the money faucet set to full blast for billionaires and are totally silent about it.

#150 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-12-18 01:37 PM | Reply

Obamacare is a house of cards that can only exist by being propped up with an endless and increasing stream of taxpayer money.

Why couldn't Democrats come up with something better than a poorly implemented plan loosely based on a crony capitalist think tank's wet dream?

Obama and the Democrats: Let's implement the worst idea our political rivals can brainstorm!

Insurance companies, big pharma and healthcare venture capitalists: Hell yeah!

A bad plan so full of corruption even the Republicans refused to back it.

#151 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-12-18 03:41 PM | Reply

Why couldn't Democrats come up with something better than a poorly implemented plan loosely based on a crony capitalist think tank's wet dream?

Republicans.

#152 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-18 03:53 PM | Reply

152

You're saying the republicans stopped the democrats from even coming up with something better?

The GOP controls the thoughts of the democrats?

As I pointed out earlier on another thread....

More than $1.1 billion was spent on lobbying the initial version of the bill in 2009, according to an OpenSecrets report. In the lead-up to the bill's passage, there were more than 1,500 individual clients"including defense contractors, labor unions, ideological organizations and corporations"contracted with lobbyists to influence the bill's ultimate design.

The healthcare industry spent more than $270 million on lobbying in 2009, which exceeded its own spending record up to that point. On average, the pharmaceutical industry spent a stunning $1.2 million on lobbying each day Congress convened during the first three months of 2009.

Industry giants including the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America, the American Medical Association and the Partnership for America's Healthcare Future all supported the ACA, but pushed lawmakers to pass the legislation on their terms.

The groups argued that establishing a government-run insurance provider " often referred to as a "public option" " or giving the government the power to negotiate drug prices would hurt private insurers, hospitals and drug makers. The industry's massive lobbying investment paid off: The version of the bill that ultimately passed in 2010 did not include a framework for publicly-provisioned insurance.

The ACA passed without support from a single Republican. Conservatives argued the legislation would undermine free market principles and raise taxes on the rich, and the GOP's opposition to Obamacare didn't dissipate after the bill became law.

www.opensecrets.org

#153 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 03:57 PM | Reply

www.opensecrets.org

#154 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 03:57 PM | Reply

'The ACA passed without support from a single Republican."

Yeah and in related news:
The sun rose this morning without support from a single Republican too.

If you're so intent on not owning Obamacare:
Why don't Republicans just repeal the stupid thing already?

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:00 PM | Reply

A bad plan so full of corruption even the Republicans refused to back it.

#151 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

And now for the rest of the story.

Republicans were allowed to amend the bill but were pressured to not to vote for the bill even if they supported it. Did they add corrupt amendments to poison the bill? It sure looks like it now eh?

Bipartisan Meetings and Hearings:

The Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee, chaired by the late Senator Ted Kennedy (and later Senator Chris Dodd), held 14 bipartisan round-table meetings and 13 public hearings. Democrats on this committee adopted around 160 Republican amendments into the bill. The Senate Finance Committee also held 17 bipartisan sessions with Republican senators.

Republican Ideas Included:

The final ACA legislation included several concepts that were historically rooted in conservative thinking and had appeared in earlier Republican proposals, such as the individual mandate (requiring all Americans to buy health insurance) and the use of state-based exchanges.

Official Leadership Stance:

Despite some bipartisan engagement at the committee level, Republican leadership in both the House and Senate generally discouraged cooperation, making it clear to their members that they would oppose the Democratic-led effort to create the healthcare law. Key Republican negotiators were reportedly warned that their future in the party would be in jeopardy if they supported the bill.

#156 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-18 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're saying the republicans stopped the democrats from even coming up with something better?

If that wasn't obvious to you then you do live in a cave.

They could not allow the Obama Administration to be successful in ANYTHING.

Remember ?

They even came out and said as much.

They were fully convinced that even if Obama kept winning policy battles, they could win the broader messaging war simply by remaining unified and fighting him on everything.

It's pretty much been their "strategery" ever since.

#157 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-18 04:08 PM | Reply

-A bad plan so full of corruption even the Republicans refused to back it.

That was pure partisan politics. It wasn't about the objection to the corruption.

Also.......I don't know much about the rules and nuance of how bills are passed but how did the republicans manage to get the democrats to attach all these amendments? What leverage did they have to get that done?

They didn't need any of their votes to pass it so why the need to invite them to the table and let them destroy the bill?

The GOPs intent was to not support the bill regardless so why did the democrats allow their amendments?

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 04:15 PM | Reply

"The final ACA legislation included several concepts that were historically rooted in conservative thinking and had appeared in earlier Republican proposals, such as the individual mandate"

Wasn't the "individual mandate" later repealed. By Republicans?

Interesting today the least.

Republicans effectively repealed the Affordable Care Act's (ACA) individual mandate penalty as part of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act due to philosophical opposition to government overreach, a desire to provide tax relief, and claims that the mandate was ineffective and harmed low-income Americans.

So ... They repealed the amendment that they asked to be included in a bill that they knew they'd never vote for.

You do the math.

#159 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-18 04:15 PM | Reply

"You're saying the republicans stopped the democrats from even coming up with something better?"

Republicans refused to work with Democrats at all on Obamacare.

So if you believe that Republicans have any good ideas on health care reform, then yes.

Republicans stopped themselves from helping the Democrats come up with something better.

If you're a sane person, you understand Republicans simply adopted a policy of refusing to work with Democrats on anything starting at Noon on Jan 20, 2009 because Obama.

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:16 PM | Reply

-They could not allow the Obama Administration to be successful in ANYTHING.

You're not getting it.......I asked what prevented the democrats with coming up with something better.

I didn't ask why the GOP wouldn't support it.

#161 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 04:21 PM | Reply

The GOPs intent was to not support the bill regardless so why did the democrats allow their amendments?
#158 | Posted by eberly

Maybe they were trying to win your support as a moderate Republican.

#162 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:23 PM | Reply

"I asked what prevented the democrats with coming up with something better."

Capitalism.

Not that they wanted to, but let's say Democrats tried to do Single Payer.

Do you think Democrats can successfully implement a government program which will subsume 18% of GDP in the face of Republican opposition?

I don't.

So, we got Government Subsidized Private Insurance. It's not the best plan in the world, maybe it's the worst, but I suspect that in terms of getting more people insured, we're better than we used to be.

And now, Republicans are crying they don't want to pay the subsidies any more.

And here we are.

#163 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:28 PM | Reply

-Republicans refused to work with Democrats at all on Obamacare.

just a few posts above it was stated the republican added 160 amendments working with the democrats.

They did work with them......right up to the point where they didn't vote for it.

#164 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 04:28 PM | Reply

just a few posts above it was stated the republican added 160 amendments working with the democrats.
They did work with them......right up to the point where they didn't vote for it.
#164 | Posted by eberly

That works for me.

They changed their minds at the last minute when told to by their leaders. Sounds exactly like Republicans to me.

It aldo sounds like Democrats, but it sounds a lot more like Republicans.

Does it look different to you?

#165 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:30 PM | Reply

Snoofy-

After the July 27, 2017 vote on the Health Care Freedom Act, Newsweek "found at least 70 Republican-led attempts to repeal, modify or otherwise curb the Affordable Care Act since its inception as law on March 23, 2010."

#166 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 04:34 PM | Reply

-They changed their minds at the last minute when told to by their leaders

So the democrats admit they were working with the GOP all the way up to the vote allowing their input when they didn't need it.

And then SHOCKER......none of them voted for it?

So offering no votes in favor......they managed to get 160 (some very very very very bad....) amendments to a bill they had zero leverage to get added?

zero leverage...and still got what they wanted in the bill.

#167 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 04:36 PM | Reply

They didn't need any of their votes to pass it so why the need to invite them to the table and let them destroy the bill?

They didn't want it to appear they were shoving this health care bill down our throats, by giving Republicans every opportunity to participate in the process.

The end result is Republicans say Obama shoved this health care bill down our throats.

Then you get the true visionaries like LftHndThrds who say, why should Republicans fix this health care bill that Obama shoved down our throats?

It's absolutely amazing how we Democrats been talking about health care on this site for over fifteen years, and you Republicans haven't learned a damn thing in that time.

In fact, you've gotten stupider. Deliberately stupider. Getting health leadership from RFK Jr is going to kill people. And Eberly it reads like you're running interference for that.

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:36 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

#169 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-12-18 04:36 PM | Reply

"Democrats on this committee adopted around 160 Republican amendments into the bill. The Senate Finance Committee also held 17 bipartisan sessions with Republican senators."

all in exchange for no support.

"70 Republican-led attempts to repeal, modify or otherwise curb the Affordable Care Act"

I was gonna save that for dessert.

So...they were allowed to add 160 amendments and in exchange, the democrats received ZERO votes and a commitment to kill the entire bill over the next 7 years.

#170 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 04:38 PM | Reply

zero leverage...and still got what they wanted in the bill.
#167 | Posted by eberly

Is that wrong?

Should Democrats have not allowed the Republicans to participate in the legislative process, since they had the votes?

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:39 PM | Reply

-It's absolutely amazing how we Democrats been talking about health care on this site for over fifteen years

So the fuck what?

It's gotten you absolutely nowhere.

The only thing better was single payer and the democrats wouldn't do it. Not then....not now.

JFC, did anybody even try to introduce single payer? Don't give the "republicans would have killed it" excuse. We have a lot of good thing that the GOP opposed.

The democrats plagerized a republican idea rather than write their own. They let the republicans sit at the table and participate and then got royally screwed over by the GOP after that......not seeing any of it coming.

But you've been talking about it. Good for you, Mr. Helpy Helperstein.

The democrats hate you more than the republicans.

#172 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 04:43 PM | Reply

"JFC, did anybody even try to introduce single payer?"

Bernie tried.

#173 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:45 PM | Reply

-Should Democrats have not allowed the Republicans to participate in the legislative process, since they had the votes?

That's my question.

I think it's a fair question.

maybe the answer is contained inside the $1 BILLION+ in lobbying. One party had the control....where do you think that money was going?

#174 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 04:45 PM | Reply

"The only thing better was single payer and the democrats wouldn't do it. Not then....not now."

Well maybe
since you seen to be able to accept that

now we can move on to how do we address the issues at hand!

Which is: It's better to extend the Obamacare subsidies, than let them sunset.

And enough Republicans agree with that, for Mike Johnson to send the House to recess.

So yeah, that's the secret plan you were hoping the Republicans have up their sleeve. No vote on subsidies, until the new year, and the new bills are already skyrocketed for millions of Americans.

#175 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:51 PM | Reply

Should Democrats have not allowed the Republicans to participate in the legislative process, since they had the votes?
That's my question.
I think it's a fair question.
#174 | Posted by eberly

I think it's a retarded question that shows how much you Republicans hate America.

If you live in a democracy and your government is creating a bill that represents everyone's interests and personally affects every American's health, and you knew it was a political live wire, which would you choose?

One party dictates, or both parties work together?

only a retard fascist who doesn't understand fascism asks this question.

#176 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 04:56 PM | Reply

".I asked what prevented the democrats with coming up with something better."

The health care lobbies.

It barely got enough votes to pass as it was. Had, say, a public option been introduced, folks who weren't against it yet would join in.

Naysayers could've easily won over well-paid workers with 80th-99th percentile health insurance plans, by hammering home they'd be getting worse coverage under a Medicare For All plan.

#177 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-18 05:01 PM | Reply

-I think it's a retarded question that shows how much you Republicans hate America.

Gotcha. We can stop talking about it.

#178 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-18 05:48 PM | Reply

Gotcha. We can stop talking about it.
#178 | Posted by eberly

Oh no I think it's very informative to have these discussions.

What's your answer to #176, where America elected a President on mandate of health care reform.

Should that President use his mandate to direct his party in Congress to unilaterally shove "reform" down our throats, since they have the majority?

Or should he direct Congress to let the other party provide their input and represent their constituents, just like the both parties in the legislative process typically do?

#179 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-18 06:09 PM | Reply

The only thing better was single payer and the democrats wouldn't do it. Not then....not now.

JFC, did anybody even try to introduce single payer? Don't give the "republicans would have killed it" excuse. We have a lot of good thing that the GOP opposed.

#172 | Posted by eberly

The public option was killed by 2 sellout dem senators. Which means 2 republican senators could have saved it.

#180 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-12-18 06:10 PM | Reply

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