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"This war is a war on children," UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini said of Israel's months-long offensive in the Palestinian territory.

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Israel kills babies. Hammas wont let anyone adopt them. The kids are trapped in a human zoo. Made in the USA bombs should not be used for dumb wars by extremists that want religious people to sit around and watch (religious people in israel are exempt from serving... meanwhile they recuit US kids to fight).

#1 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-03-14 04:01 PM | Reply

Genocide is a bloody endeavor.

Over 1 million children will need to be murdered by IDF for Israel to succeed.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm surprised Censored hasn't showed up on this thread to tell us how 80% of children aged 1-10 support Hamas, so they deserve to die.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 04:22 PM | Reply

The use of white phosphorus on the starving masses at food convoys isn't as shocking as the fact they send any food at all.

The floating dock was Netanyahus plan all along. President Trump will use US troops to directly help the genocide.

Biden has no plan whatsoever.

#4 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-03-14 05:58 PM | Reply

Palestinians: "Oh no! The consequences that we sought when we killed those Jewish civilians on Iran's orders!"

#5 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-15 05:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

From the river to the sea!!!

#6 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-15 05:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"Over 1 million children will need to be murdered by IDF for Israel to succeed."

Keep on it bother.

Hamas needs western voices like your own.

#7 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-15 05:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#7 loves genocide.

m.jpost.com

FTA:

Real estate mogul Mohamed Hadid on Monday compared Israel to Nazi Germany and said that it was killing more children a day than Hitler did at Auschwitz.

"Congratulations, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, you beat him, you win, you win big time, you are the mightiest, you are Goliath," Hadid wrote on Instagram with an accompanying infographic displaying Hitler and Netanyahu next to figures claiming that 178 Palestinian children had been killed each day in Gaza in October and November, while 127 Jewish children have been murdered each day at Auschwitz during World War II. "Congratulations for this win. You beat him in the massacre of the century."

#8 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-15 08:19 PM | Reply

#5's retarded ass loves it too.

#9 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-15 08:21 PM | Reply

I'm surprised Censored hasn't showed up on this thread

#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

He's like Beetlejuice, but retarded.

You've only got to say his name once.

#10 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-15 08:32 PM | Reply

That's what happens when israel elects their version of trump - a corrupt criminal ex-leader who needs to win power to stay out of jail by corrupting the justice system.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-15 09:05 PM | Reply

Well, let's face it folks. You have to get them out of the way for the Second Coming... Jauyzus don't want to be looking at them Palestinian anchor babies when he's a fixn' on bringing a swift victory to Trumpanzee.

#12 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-03-15 09:19 PM | Reply

I give up, I'm not choosing sides anymore, if the Jews (Zionists) and Muslims can not figure out how to live peacefully side by side then I am going to NOT be a cheerleader for Israel or Palestine, and just wished they would quit draining US resources and quit dragging the rest of the world into the hell they made for themselves.

#13 | Posted by TomSawyer_jr at 2024-03-15 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The whhhite whhhestern liberal position on what's going on in Gaza should be the final nail in the coffin of whhhite whhhestern liberal legitimacy.

#14 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 03:35 AM | Reply

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#13 | Posted by TomSawyer_jr at 2024-03-15 11:23 PM |
... if the Jews (Zionists) and Muslims can not figure out how to live peacefully side by side...

But they do - less than 75% citizens in Israel are Jews (religious or secular), more than 21% citizens are Arabs and/or Muslims (who are not subject to mandatory military service, but volunteers are allowed to serve - must be "apartheid"!) and life expectancy in Israel is in top 10 of the world.

Israel proposed creation of Palestinian state "side by side with Israel" at least 4 times... (BTW, the first and only nation that would make "Palestine free from occupation" in 2000 years) but all have been rejected, twice with Intifada, because Palestinians would not accept the existence of state of Israel - "from the River to the sea Palestine must be free" - the code for taking the land after "driving Jews into the sea." Why else have Palestinian refugee camps in Palestine? The Palestinian economy, which has suffered greatly since then.

When given the chance, the Palestinians also tried to take over Jordan and other lands/countries, Egypt dumped their "undesirables" in Gaza and Egypt's military on Sinai fought for years against Islamic militants there. Sunni Muslims and Shi'a Muslims have been fighting each other for 14 centuries and so on...
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#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-14 04:20 PM
Over 1 million children will need to be murdered by IDF for Israel to succeed.

According to Hamas itself, more than 30,000 "Gazan civilian women and children" were killed by IDF in 5 months. Nazi Germany was murdering 14,000-15,000 Jews every day in 1942. So, if Israel has only accomplished 2 days of "genocide," at best. At this pace, they won't ever catch up to Nazis.

Genocide is a bloody endeavor.

Sure is. When asked, one IDF Lt. Colonel said "If we wanted to commit genocide, we would have done it long ago. We have the means." They do have the means. So they are either doing a piss-poor job of "genocide" or really are concentrating on Hamas... and Hezbollah, and Iran puppet-masters. Because it's not about "Palestinians" or "Gazans."
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#8 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-15 08:19 PM
Real estate mogul Mohamed Hadid on Monday compared Israel to Nazi Germany and said that it was killing more children a day than Hitler did at Auschwitz.

"Congratulations, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, you beat him, you win, you win big time, you are the mightiest, you are Goliath," Hadid wrote on Instagram...

Apparently, the bankrupt father of the "celebrity models" Gigi and Bella doesn't do math and also reversed the outcome of the "legendary" battle between David, a Judean shepherd boy, and Goliath, Philistine warrior.

Makes sense coming from him: Mohamed Anwar Hadid was born into Palestinian Muslim family who fled Israel during the 1948 war, because his father "did not want the family to live under the Israeli occupation."

Hadid's financing source was the Saudi SAAR Foundation, which was a 50-50 partner in many of Hadid's ventures. In the late 1980s, he faced at least 30 lawsuits from creditors claiming he had not fulfilled various financial obligations. In 1992, a settlement was reached in a lawsuit by Riggs Bank against Hadid's partner in a construction project that involved a loan on which Hadid defaulted. Hadid closed his local office, lost his McLean home to foreclosure, and left the D.C. area.

In 2022 he has been hit with a wave of legal and financial troubles, including business bankruptcy and the demolition of his once-prized home. His half-built $100 million Bel Air mega-mansion was demolished, after a five-year fight with neighbors over safety concerns and lack of permits.
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#15 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-03-16 05:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#15

I have no doubts that Gigi and Bella have an enormous presence on Instagram and Tik Tok, which is where most critics of Israel get their news.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 08:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

While tragic, this was the "government" the people of the West Bank voted in. Granted that was 20 years ago, and that "government's" aim was the destruction of Israel. All I can say to this is elections have consequences. And for those wondering why there are quotations there, it's because they elected terrorists to run their section of Palestine. Hope it was worth it ...

#17 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-16 09:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

The Palestinians have tried every thing from peaceful protest to appealing to the international community.

They are well within their rights to resist their executioners by any means necessary.

The 3 --------- who posted above me are relics from a time that's long gone.

They'll be dead soon enough and no one will miss any of them.

This is the last hurrah for the state of Israel as anyone alive right now knows it.

#18 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Palestinians have tried every thing from peaceful protest to appealing to the international community."

Have they tried coexisting?

Might give that one the old college try.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 09:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"They are well within their rights to resist their executioners by any means necessary..."

Israelis are not within those same rights though, are they?

"This is the last hurrah for the state of Israel as anyone alive right now knows it."

Fer real? You think that Israel will be replaced with the Islamic State?

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 09:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Talking to any of them is akin to having a conversation with a pile of dog ---- on the sidewalk.

#21 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 09:46 AM | Reply

One of the ------- ------- was here thumping his under developed chest and loudly proclaiming that the Israelis would never bomb a hospital when they bombed the first one.

Curiously silent on the fact that there isn't a single functioning hospital in Gaza now.

Just find a pile of dog ---- on the sidewalk and talk to it if you ever feel compelled to engage with one of them.

You'll get more out of it.

#22 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Talking to any of them is akin to having a conversation with a pile of dog ---- on the sidewalk."

Yet here you are.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 09:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

"One of the ------- ------- was here thumping his under developed chest and loudly proclaiming that the Israelis would never bomb a hospital when they bombed the first one."

When hospitals are being used by a belligerent to support military operations, they lose their protected status and become valid military targets under the law of armed conflict.

It was actually a criminal act for Hamas to use hospitals for this purpose, but you're not likely to hear any of Hamas's cheerleaders mention that fact.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 09:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Look at the poor little genocidal maniac baby killer desperately begging me to interact with her.

#25 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How do they coexist with hundreds of thousands of newcomers colonizing their limited living space? Denied the freedom of movement or association,even their water and caloric intake limited to bare survival levels in "peacetime".

Israel has been slowly strangling Gaza,for years. Hundreds of people killed and injured for standing next to a fence in protest of No "right to return" to their own home when Jews from all over the world were encouraged to come and steal their family properties as a "right to return".

There is no pretense of justice in Israel. Only open Apartheid and land theft.

MB, why can't Ukraine coexist with Russia?

All they have to do is surrender and give up their land.You say this is intolerable and most people agree.

Why should the Palestinians have to accept what the Ukrainians find unacceptable?

Why do Ukrainians get arms and assistance but the Palestinians are told to just accept reality and surrender completely?

The Double Standard is blatant.

Ukrainians deserve self determination and to defeat aggression.

Palestinians are a "fake people" with no true identity as such and should surrender completely to the Israeli domination and destruction of their culture?

Why are Ukrainians more deserving of self determination and freedom than the Palestinians?

Ukraine is looking at losing a small piece of a big country, a piece that the people of, want to sever their ties to Ukraine.

Palestine is looking at the complete destruction of their entire culture and existence.

Why do you think they should be peaceful in the face of THAT?

When the Ukrainians wage implacable war for far less.

With total Western support and assistance.

#26 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 10:08 AM | Reply

#26 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Occupied people have a right to resist their executioners.

End of story.

There's nothing else to say to the baby killers.

en.wikipedia.org

#27 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

en.wikipedia.org

#28 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:12 AM | Reply

#24 Ukraine was doing the same thing with their hospitals. Why was Russia accused by you of committing war crimes against Ukraine for bombing them?

Were the Ukrainians war criminals for hiding arms and soldiers in their hospitals?

Was Russia justified in bombing them?

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 10:13 AM | Reply

#29.

The slimy ----- are never going to cop to anything.

First Hamas bombed the hospitals. There was absolutely no doubt.

Now that Israel undeniably did it they only did it because reasons.

#30 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:32 AM | Reply

Remember the beheaded babies?

Joe Biden saw photos of them.

He said it.

It didn't happen.

Remember the rapes?

No one was raped.

I'm sure they only lied because reasons.

There is absolutely no discussion to be had.

Find a pile of dog ---- on the sidewalk.

#31 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:33 AM | Reply

"Occupied people have a right to resist their executioners."

And what if the executioners are doing this in response to the naked attempt at their genocide?

Negotiations have been going on since 1948. One side is willing to live in peace. The other side's #1 goal, which has NEVER moved, is the elimination of Israel and its Jewish inhabitants.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-16 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The other side's #1 goal, which has NEVER moved, is the elimination of Israel and its Jewish inhabitants.

#32 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You're a liar.

#33 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:40 AM | Reply

#32 is a good little lying genocidal maniac baby killing bitch not worthy of another breath from any normal person who posts here.

#34 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:42 AM | Reply

It's the whhhite whhhestern liberals who cheer for genocide the most.

#35 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:43 AM | Reply

#32 Now do Ukraine. The Ukrainians were Slaughtering their own people for wanting to speak Russian and not assimilate in "Ukrainian" culture. They started a civil war to force them to comply.

Was Russia justified in protecting them from their own government?

A government that wanted them to die?

#36 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 10:44 AM | Reply

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#37 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:45 AM | Reply

Look at that one side just trying to live side by side and in peace...

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#38 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 10:57 AM | Reply

"And what if the executioners are doing this in response to the naked attempt at their genocide?"

Yes, What if.
Does it make killing the children justified?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 11:47 AM | Reply

"Negotiations have been going on since 1948. One side is willing to live in peace."

400,000 settlers in the West Bank, you call that willing to live in peace?

Seriously?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 11:49 AM | Reply

"this was the "government" the people of the West Bank voted in."

So it's okay to kill their kids.
Got it.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 11:55 AM | Reply

Snoofy, war is hell. Hamas shouldn't have committed October 7th; if they hadn't those children would still be alive. The blood is on Hamas's hands. Anyways, what are the Palestinians doing to overthrow them? If the answer is nothing, then they only have themselves to blame.

#42 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-16 11:58 AM | Reply

"The other side's #1 goal, which has NEVER moved, is the elimination of Israel and its Jewish inhabitants."

Now why would Israel support a terror group with that agenda?

You know why.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 11:59 AM | Reply

"Hamas shouldn't have committed October 7th"

And Zionists shouldn't have created Israel.

But here we are regardless.

Which sids has killed more of the other side's civilians, since 1948?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 12:01 PM | Reply

I feel like I'm talking to people who think 9/11 killed more civilians than our response to 9/11.

Completely disconnected from reality.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 12:04 PM | Reply

Snoofy, I don't give a flying ---- about the long term history. Israel isn't going anywhere and the sooner Palestinians accept this and try to coexist the quicker they will get out of their third world -------- living conditions.

There's a reason no one will take them in and that's because they are ------- nuts like the far left of the Democratic Party is ------- nuts in this country. People do not like extremists and sometimes extremists need to be put down like the dogs they are.

#46 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-16 12:05 PM | Reply

Israel voted in Netanyahu,by that standard Hamas was justified in killing civilians.

If Israel can use any degree of violence because they fear the enemies they themselves created...

Hamas can use any degree of violence against the occupation and oppression of the people they represent.

This logic leads to Extermination.

By one side or the other.

It's the logic of Nazis...

#47 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 12:05 PM | Reply

speaking of ------- on the sidewalk... that's pretty much what tres adds to this site in value.

#48 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-03-16 12:07 PM | Reply

#46 Now do Ukraine. They are Losing the war.

They should just surrender and coexist with Russia?

The sooner they do this the quicker they stop living in a bombed out --------?

See how easy it all is?

Peace is always available if you just surrender.

Do you advocate that for them?

Why not?

It's good enough for Palestine.

#49 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 12:12 PM | Reply

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#48 | POSTED BY KWRX25

I'm here to make things right.

The non baby butchering genocidal maniacs are all welcome.

#50 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 12:14 PM | Reply

Effeteposer, if they can't secure victory learning to coexist is the most peaceful solution. So unless Joe Biden wants to start WW3, yeah they're going to have to live with said coexistence.

#51 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-03-16 12:16 PM | Reply

At least you are consistent.

I have been saying that about Ukraine for years.

Extremists are the cause of many problems.

Accepting hard realities can be painful.

It's less painful than Extermination.

Which can sometimes be the result of a hard line.

#52 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 12:22 PM | Reply

49

One supposes that, by that "logic", the US Colonies should have just surrendered to Britain... they didn't have much of a chance against the Empire at the time.

Fortunately for us today, France wasn't an effete poser on the world stage at the time.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-16 12:23 PM | Reply

"You're a liar."

You need to move a bit beyond Tik Tok for where you get your news.

Elimination of the Jewish state is the most important part of the Hamas charter. Actually, I think the establishment of an Islamic State is the most important. Genociding the Jews is second. Or maybe first. You decide.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 12:26 PM | Reply

"Does it make killing the children justified?"

Justified?

The allies killed tend of thousands of German children during WWII.

Are you suggesting that the allies should not have taken the war to Germany? Because kids might die?

BTW...we also intentionally smoked the Cubs of the Caliphate in Syria...just in case you want to report a war crime.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 12:30 PM | Reply

The difference is that Israel is trying to ERASE Palestine. They want it all.

Russia only wants a piece. They are giving Ukraine an out.

This makes all the difference.

Notwithstanding the propaganda about Russia wanting to eliminate Ukraine.

There is no real evidence that was ever their goal.

#56 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 12:31 PM | Reply

"They should just surrender and coexist with Russia?"

Thye were coexisting with the commienists. Until the commienists invaded.

Much like Israel has coexisted with the Palestinians...until the Palestinians launch an attack on kids at a rave.

BTW...had Hamas attacked a military checkpoint or some sort of government facility...this wouldn't be a thing. Those would be valid military targets. Hamas instead chose to be terrorists.

And between us gals, it's probably because the billionaire Hamas leadership is going to get even richer. More coke. More hookers. More yachts. More adoration from people like you and Tres.

Tik Tok legends.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 12:34 PM | Reply

"The difference is that Israel is trying to ERASE Palestine. They want it all."

Uhhh....what?

If they wanted it all, they could have it all. Probably withing a month.

The silly Russians have been trying for two years to take ground in Ukraine.

Think about this bro...the Soviets did better against the Germans than the Russians have done against Ukraine. Let that sit for a second.

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 12:37 PM | Reply

On Iran's command, Palestinians slaughtered and raped a thousand Israeli civilians on October 7th to provoke a reaction.

And now they cry when they received that reaction, according to Iran's plan to stop Israel from normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia.

And the virtue-signalling westerners fall for it, like the easily-manipulated folks that they are.

My reaction for the "suffering" eagerly sought out by the Palestinians:

#59 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-16 12:38 PM | Reply

"the billionaire Hamas leadership"

There's the problem right there. Billions and billions and billions of dollars in, and what's the result? The richest leaders leading the poorest people. And why? Because the leaders chose guns over butter. They had enough money to turn the place into Dubai redux. Instead, they built bomb factories.

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-16 12:39 PM | Reply

" Genociding the Jews is second. Or maybe first. You decide."

Per my viewpoint it's clearly first. By a longshot, no pun intended.

Hamas leaders chose attempted genocide of the Jews ahead of building their own society.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-16 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Killing people for refusing to become more "Ukrainian" is not coexisting.

Killing people after sealing them into a ghetto and bombing them from the air is not a war between peer adversaries. Israel has bombed Gaza for years. They call it "mowing the grass".

You neglected to mention the 75 years of Apartheid and ethnic domination of Palestine.

This war didn't start on October 7.

Hamas has as much right to seek to destroy Israel as Ukraine has to destroy Russia.

Both goals are stupid and unattainable. Both goals lead to the destruction of the Zealots who persue them.

Peace sometimes means accepting defeat.

Some lunatics fight to death over a stick of gum.

It this Noble?

Or Idiotic?

#62 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 12:44 PM | Reply

If they wanted it all, they could have it all.

Isn't that what they're doing now?

Probably withing a month.

Takes longer than a month to kill 2 million people.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 12:48 PM | Reply

Hamas leaders chose attempted genocide of the Jews ahead of building their own society.
#61 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Zionists chose to build their own society by ethnic cleansing the West Bank.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 12:50 PM | Reply

the billionaire Hamas leadership

When do billionaires ever help the poor?

America has the highest number of billionaires.

America should be perfect.

Because of our benevolent billionaires.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 12:53 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY CENSORED

This genocide worshipping moron still thinks anyone gives a shht about his propaganda?

What an idiot.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 12:54 PM | Reply

Why is Ukraine considered Noble and brave.

Why is Hamas considered terrorists for resisting decades of Oppression and Apartheid. Mass Murder of civilians by the IDF.

Why is brave resistance to injustice a virtue in Ukrainians?

And the same brave resistance to injustice in Hamas called evil?

It all depends on your point of view.

I'm sure Aliens looking down from above would just see stupid animals fighting over limited resources instead of sharing.

Humanity is not going to make it.

#67 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 12:57 PM | Reply

This genocide worshipping moron still thinks anyone gives a shht about his propaganda?
What an idiot.

#66 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Not only do they think it, scroll up.

They all pop up to smell each other's ass on every thread about it.

Same old tired -------- from back before the IDF was posting snuff films all over the internet.

It won't be much longer now.

And when they whole thing blows up in their stupid ------- faces they'll be here to tell you how right they were the whole time.

#68 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 01:13 PM | Reply

#69 | Posted by censored at 2024-03-16 01:16 PM | Reply

the fact that Tres and Eff have this viewpoint helps me sleep at night knowing I disagree.

#70 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-03-16 01:17 PM | Reply

#64

Exactly none of your claim is good reason for the leaders of Hamas to take (at least) one dollar for every dollar put toward more bombs and guns instead of more food and housing.

Israel's awful behavior doesn't justify Hamas's awful behavior, nor vice versa.

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-16 01:58 PM | Reply

"Exactly none of your claim is good reason for the leaders of Hamas to take (at least) one dollar for every dollar put toward more bombs and guns instead of more food and housing."

Yeah
Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that Israel has empowered for the past twenty-five years.

What does that make Israel?
A sponsor of terror.

Why can't you say that, Danforth?

No freaking clue what your angle is, other than obtuse.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 02:01 PM | Reply

this viewpoint helps me sleep at night knowing I disagree.
#70 | POSTED BY KWRX25

You sleep better at night knowing Palestinians are getting murdered by IDF?

To each their own I guess.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 02:03 PM | Reply

More Children Dead in Gaza Than by Conflict Worldwide in 4 Years

"I'm sleeping well tonight!"
-KWRX25

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 02:05 PM | Reply

"The richest leaders leading the poorest people. And why? Because the leaders chose guns over butter. They had enough money to turn the place into Dubai redux. Instead, they built bomb factories."

Dubai redux? While Jews still live?

Nope.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-16 02:15 PM | Reply

"Why can't you say that, Danforth?"

I've already said as much. Multiple times. Why can't you hear that, Snoofy?

There are no heroes. That said, only one side has historically been willing to negotiate. As someone who has literally been involved in hundreds of negotiations, I can't imagine somebody sticking to the same position for 76 minutes, much less 76 hours, or 76 days, 76 months, or God forbid, 76 years.

For example, what would your counter offer be, to you and your family's genocide? I'm serious. Just sit at the table once. Their demand is your civilization's genocide. What's your counter offer?

#76 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-16 02:17 PM | Reply

"That said, only one side has historically been willing to negotiate."

Bull ----.

That timeline ended when Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated for being willing to negotiate.

It's time for you to acknowledge reality, Danforth.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 02:22 PM | Reply

"For example, what would your counter offer be, to you and your family's genocide?"

Why was Netanyahu's counter offer to support Hamas?

Answer that and we can have this conversation.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 02:23 PM | Reply

Snoofy is wedded to his position. Great Man Theory. Kill one guy, there will never be any negotiations. Except they're constantly negotiating over everything except each other's right to exist.

#79 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-16 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"For example, what would your counter offer be, to you and your family's genocide?"

I would avoid that scenario in the first place because I would not choose to build my homeland in some other people's home land without getting their permission first.

Are you saying you would just go ahead and ethnically cleanse your family's homeland, and then wonder why the victims of your conquest are trying to ethnically cleanse you?

I don't accept that you're that stupid or that simple.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 02:29 PM | Reply

Kill one guy, there will never be any negotiations.
#79 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

There's no negotiating when G-d is in your side.

How come you can understand that about Hamas, but you can't understand that about Zionism?

Because you're a clown.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 02:32 PM | Reply

TRIBALISM........

WAR....

MORE TRIBALISM ........

AD INFINITUM.

#82 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 02:46 PM | Reply

Because you're a clown.

#81 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-16 02:32 PM | FLAG:

uh huh. Both sides are negotiating at this moment over cease fire, hostages, etc. So the idea negotiations are impossible because of your Great Man Theory, don't really hold up to reality.

#83 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-16 03:02 PM | Reply

A thread dominated by posts by Tres Flechas, Effetposer and Snoofy. I ended up scrolling past almost the entire thread.

#84 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-03-16 03:03 PM | Reply

"Both sides are negotiating at this moment over cease fire, hostages, etc."

^
Transient issues.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 03:05 PM | Reply

"So the idea negotiations are impossible"

Israel wasn't born of negotiations with the Palestinians.

Israel chose that.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 03:08 PM | Reply

I ended up scrolling past almost the entire thread.
#84 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Oh look.

The resident troll has graced this thread.

Thanks for stopping by.

#87 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 03:08 PM | Reply

Negotiations are inevitable. Hamas will cave almost completely. Israel will kill thousands for another month or two.

Apartheid will continue,with the total demolition of Gaza thrown in.

It's a self repeating loop of misery and death.

Both sides will make real improvement of the situation impossible.

Ten years from now the headlines in the news won't be significantly different from what they are now.

Read some old news from 2006, it's eerie how similar it all is.

#88 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 03:09 PM | Reply

In 1948, more than 700000 Palestinian Arabs " about half of prewar Mandatory Palestine's Arab population " fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias and, later, the Israeli army[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948 Palestine war,[9] following the Partition Plan for Palestine. The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[10][11] Dozens of massacres were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[12][13] Other sites were subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names.[14] These activities were not necessarily limited to the year 1948.[15]
en.wikipedia.org

^
Why didn't Israel just negotiate?

You are a fool.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I would avoid that scenario in the first place because I would not choose to build my homeland in some other people's home land without getting their permission first"

THAT's your answer? You'd WISH the problem away?!? Sorry, not the scenario you were handed with the question.

Just admit THERE IS NO COUNTER OFFER to your own genocide. And Israel's stance is the same as America's would be in the same situation: If you believe only one of us should be allowed to survive, we're forced to believe the same.

#90 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-16 05:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#86 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-16 03:08 PM | REPLY

Remind me, what is war an extension of? Paging Clausewitz.

If your Great Man Theory was correct, then the civil rights movement in the US could have been ended by shooting MLK. That didn't work out either.

If we're playing Military Historian, the best hope for Palestinians is.... let me check again... mass religious conversion.

#91 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-16 05:50 PM | Reply

"your Great Man Theory"

Not my theory; never has been.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 06:03 PM | Reply

Why didn't Israel just negotiate?

#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-16 03:09 PM | FLAG:

Since we're having fun playing military historian today...

Israel negotiated with the powers fighting on behalf of the Palestinians and it ended in an armistice.

1949 Armistice Agreements: Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Israel signed armistice agreements with Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria. These agreements ended the immediate conflict and established the armistice lines, often referred to as the Green Line.

but since religion is pre-science, I still like the more optimist outlooks of yesteryear. Clearly their god hates them and it's time for a mass conversion to the god of the people that are so powerful in respect to them. Gotta get that favor.

#93 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-16 06:04 PM | Reply

If we're playing Military Historian, the best hope for Palestinians is.... let me check again... mass religious conversion.

#91 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

If you mean relenting to Israel yeah, but my understanding is Israel already has a large minority of Muslims.

They wouldn't need to convert to Judaism.

Just deprogrammed to at least not get emotional about Jewish people.

#94 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-16 06:07 PM | Reply

Why didn't Israel just negotiate?
#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Why didn't Hamas negotiate?

Besides They were in a cease fire until Oct 7th. So there was some negotiating going on.

#95 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-16 06:08 PM | Reply

Or the West loses interest in Israel.

They alienate the only people who give a damn about them.

By behaving like savages on the dime of allies.

Israel is running out of friends, and they no longer inspire sympathy and aspiration.

They Disgust more people every day. People they need to get by.

Israel will destroy themselves, by becoming the horror they always feared.

It's already happening. BDS is becoming less unthinkable every day.

Israel will try to take the US down with them.

They will cling tight,like swimmers going under.

The new generations don't care as much about the Holocaust.

Watching Israel recreate their own Holocaust in real time is hurting them with friends and foes.

#96 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 06:11 PM | Reply

American Geopolitical Strategy and the Israel-Hamas War
November 7, 2023

irregularwarfare.org

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-16 06:15 PM | Reply

#97 Interesting article.

So if Israel continues to isolate itself with only the US as an Ally it could get kind of dicey for them long term.

It makes the West look like,gee whiz... Hypocrites.

No Credibility at all with anyone but NATO.

#98 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 06:24 PM | Reply

"Besides They were in a cease fire until Oct 7th."

Not by Israel.

Israel shot Palestinians in the West Bank just days before.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-16 06:44 PM | Reply

Hamas is now coming to the peace table with Israel after dropping two key demands.

there's a thread for that on the Back Page

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2024-03-16 06:46 PM | Reply

Hamas is now coming to the peace table with Israel

#100 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2024-03-16 06:46 PM | REPLY

Maybe they should've tried that back in October. It woulda saved a lot of lives

#101 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-03-16 07:11 PM | Reply

I wonder if Bibi thinks he's as tough as his brother yet?

#102 | Posted by morris at 2024-03-16 07:11 PM | Reply

"Hamas is now coming to the peace table with Israel after dropping two key demands."

Here's hoping I've been posting about one of them.

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-03-16 07:15 PM | Reply

Israel shot Palestinians in the West Bank just days before.
#99 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

They kill them all the time.

They kill Israelis if they complain.

The Israelis are ------- terrorists.

#104 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 08:54 PM | Reply

They sterilized Ethiopian Jews for ----- and giggles.

#105 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-16 08:54 PM | Reply

Not Ashkenazi is a problem,evidently. There's even a hierarchy among Jews.

Sad.

Bigots,but our sort.

#106 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-16 09:01 PM | Reply

#69 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2024-03-16 01:16 PM | REPLY | FLAG PFFFTTTTTTTT!!!

Sounds a lot like the USA... which hasn't won a war in 8 decades... Oh we started a bunch then pulled out when we figured out we were getting our arrogant @$$e$ kicked and pulled out after a few years of futile fighting against those you're all uppity about... followed by all that boohooing about veterans... or how those bad people whom they were gratuitously sent there to attack attacked them back... and hurt them... or gee wiz how the hypocrisy of war drives them insane.

First, we were going to save them... then they aren't worth saving...

First the commies...
N. Korea (stalemate inspiration for an antiwar sitcom)
Vietnam (the stalemate war they were talking about)
Then the Muslims...
Iraq I (stalemate we left rather than do "the quagmire" thingie)
Afghanistan (the stalemate where we chased the Taliban when they were ready to surrender to us until THEY caught us and we left)
Iraq II (left when we figured out what "a quagmire" when used as a metaphor means)
We fought the last three for an entire generation!

We spend more on the military than any other nation all you do is whine about how it's not enough!

This doesn't count the privatized part of our military that uses people from third-world countries to do all the little things our trimmed-down military no longer does for itself... like food service, medical, warehousing, clean up etc. etc... all the things a conscripted military provided.

Those doing the grub work are also subject to PTSD and all the things that happen in war zones only they are sent home to the Philippines or wherever as long as it is out of sight... to live out their physical injuries and mental trauma... while we pretend they don't exist.

Palistine is just another rag-tag nation under attack and a real war zone... they have justification to complain.

#107 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2024-03-17 08:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Takes longer than a month to kill 2 million people.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-03-16 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag

Joe Biden: Hold muh beer!

#108 | Posted by globriel at 2024-03-17 10:25 AM | Reply

I still can't believe any of you even bother discussing this with people who, day in and day out, run cover for the IDF sniping children, journalists, disabled people, the elderly, etc from a half mile away because "THAY liEk havE teh ReyeGHts tw0 liek Teh SELFdeFenSe!!!!1!!!1!!!eleven111!!!!!!"

#109 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-17 03:22 PM | Reply

They do this daily.

From a half mile away.

For self defense.

#110 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2024-03-17 03:23 PM | Reply

The IDF doesn't believe their own -------- about being so "moral".

They lie about everything. Any occurrence is a source of lies and propaganda.

Everything is backwards. When they shoot 500 people and 100 die they say a "stampede" of selfish hungry people trying to steal aid is the reason they're dead.

It will destroy the credibility of The US if we continue to enable these --------.

Biden seems to want to do the right thing on some level. He just seems to me to be easily Gaslit, and to believe anything the Israeli leadership says,unless of course
They are shouting full throated battle cries on public media saying they intend to kill and steal without limit.

Then he thinks they're just "venting";and don't really mean it.

In a word he's a Doddering Pushover to Israeli genocide and ethnic cleansing.

He seems to live in a distant past that even then wasn't all that great.

Trump would be far worse. He would give the Butchers Everything they could possibly need and he would deny aid to anyone but Israel.

If Trump wins in November Palestine will Die.

#111 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-17 04:21 PM | Reply

If Trump wins in November Palestine will Die.

#111 | Posted by Effeteposer

So will ukraine.

And american democracy.

And any hope of reducting climate destruction.

#112 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-03-17 04:37 PM | Reply

I agree.

Trump needs to Go Down...Hard.

#113 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-03-17 04:43 PM | Reply

"In a word he's a Doddering Pushover to Israeli genocide and ethnic cleansing."

Or, he understands that Hamas is committed to Israeli genocide and ethnic cleansing and feels that is the threat that must be dealt with first.

Hamas has massive support from Palestinians. In contrast, the other Islamic State (ISIS) was viewed very unfavorably everywhere. Thier most favorable polling was in Nigeria, with 14%. 84% of Palestinians had an unfavorable perception of ISIS.

#114 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-18 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Hamas has massive support from Palestinians."

Hamas as in Islamic Resistance has massive support from most people who oppose colonial politics.

Hamas as a political party has support from Palestinians the same way Putin has support from Russians.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-18 10:30 AM | Reply

#114

Lumpers despite all evidence to the contrary, believe that Palestinians want to live peacefully in their own State.

Despite, as snoofy claims not wanting a two-state solution in 1948, but Israel did.

After Israel was attacked multiple times by multiple countries Snoofy believes Israel should be held to this initial agreement.

Only because attacks have been repelled and the arabs realize they aren't going to win.

It's all comedy at this point.

There will only be a one state solution, a democracy or a Theocracy.

Time to choose.

#116 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-03-18 10:32 AM | Reply

"After Israel was attacked multiple times by multiple countries Snoofy believes Israel should be held to this initial agreement."

Okay.

By that logic, Palestinians should be held to their initial rejection of the Two State Solution.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-18 10:59 AM | Reply

Hamas as in Islamic Resistance has massive support from most people who oppose colonial politics.

#115 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2024-03-18 10:30 AM | REPLY

Which is hilarious given that Islam is a colonizing religious force.

#118 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-18 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

and in the context of Jerusalem, Muhammad would have needed a teleporter to get there. Never there. Not once. Had to be retconned in the Quran has being flown there on a mythical creature.

#119 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-03-18 11:01 AM | Reply

"Which is hilarious given that Islam is a colonizing religious force."

Shhh. Don't tell Republicans that lately, Muslims are better at that than the Christians are. We have enough problems as it is.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-18 11:08 AM | Reply

"Hamas as in Islamic Resistance has massive support from most people who oppose colonial politics."

Uh, Islam is colonial politics.

#121 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-18 01:14 PM | Reply

"By that logic, Palestinians should be held to their initial rejection of the Two State Solution."

The two-state solution does not seem like something Israel would support, when that second state would likely be run by people who wanted to extirpate the Jewish population remaining in the levant.

#122 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-03-18 01:18 PM | Reply

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