Trump's plan? Give Putin what he wants.

And somehow the MAGAts will spin this as Trump being a strong alpha. As opposed to the bend-over-beta he actually is, both in the outside world and, inshallah, in prison.

Also part of the russian strategy, get you to say things like that. Gotta stay divided. Outside of the propaganda [...] #12 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Uhh... The U.S. has been fairly unified in its antipathy towards Russia post-WWII.

The only ones doing any dividing here are Trump's MAGAt-Republicans. The ones who decided after 70 years of the GOP standing against Russia, that they are now BFFs. Sucking up to Putin because it's in the interests of a bloated orange pustule they call their leader.

If the GOP want to stop dividing us on this issue, the GOP-lead House can put to an up or down vote the Senate-passed bill that they've been stalling for the last two months. Stalling while the Ukrainians are trying to defend themselves while rationing ammo.

That's not propaganda. Those are that facts that are clear as day.

That's a lot of division and justification for division.
So... we should be unified in abandoning Ukraine, is what you're saying?

[...] we have hit a precipice where ammo can prolong the defeat but not change the outcome.
Yeah, if only history was not replete with examples of insurgencies and outmatched societies eventually forcing superior powers to withdraw. And even if Ukraine loses, we can help make sure that Russia's "victory" comes at a steep and debilitating price. Or are you one of those that see Russian victory in Ukraine ending there. With no further threat presented to Europe and the world order. "Peace in our time" your mantra?

How much do we want to spend on defeat?
All of it, Katie. God knows we're not going to do anything better with those funds here. Just more tax cuts for billionaires. Might as well use it to hobble the Russians for a couple decades while defending a free people. And let's not forget: "Ukraine used 3% of US defense budget to destroy half of Russian army" - Lindsey Graham. That seems like an extremely efficient use of resources to me.

[...] here in the public sphere all we get is nonsensical bickering that plays into Russian strategy. It's pathetic.#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg
The only pathetic aspect of this is seeing how much kowtowing the GOP will do to the handful of MAGAts in the House holding up the Ukraine aid. An up/down vote would pass easily with bipartisan support. Not sure why you're focused on using those House MAGAts to say Americans are divided on this.

If Trump could actually pull this off [...] #21 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

By "this" you mean force Ukraine to surrender their land to reward Russia for its act of naked aggression against a nation that willingly gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for a promise that its territorial integrity would be honored?

Yeah, I can't see why anyone would have a problem with any of that.

Do you remember what you were doing the moment that you learned to love Russia and hate the FBI? How about when you decided that NATO needs to be wiped from the face of the Earth?

So I ask you SpeaksUnintelligently what would you do? #24 | Posted by oneironaut

Give the Ukrainians every artillery shell and HIMARs we can spare so that the Russians lose a 1,000 men per foot of advance.