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Tuesday, July 16, 2024

California became the first US state to ban school districts from requiring teachers to notify parents about changes to a student's sexual orientation and gender identity.

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... Governor Gavin Newsom on Monday signed the law, AB 1955, following a contentious and emotional debate in the Democratic-controlled state legislature. The measure forbids school staff from informing parents or any other person if their child's gender identification changes without permission from the child. It also bars districts from punishing employees who support a student's rights.

The legislation was introduced after some conservative California school districts implemented rules that require teachers to inform parents if their child identifies as transgender or goes by a different name or pronoun at school. It comes amid a nationwide debate over the rights of parents and LGBTQ students.

Advocates argue that the school board policies adopted by those California districts forcibly "out" LGBTQ students and adversely affect their mental health. The California Legislative LGBTQ Caucus called the legislation "life-saving."

Nationwide, fewer than half of transgender and non-binary students find their homes LGBTQ-affirming, according to a survey by Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ non-profit focused on suicide prevention and mental health. The report also found that schools that are more gender-affirming correlate with lower rates of attempted suicide. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-16 02:45 PM | Reply

We were told this type of thing would never happen.

In California your kids don't belong to you. They belong to the state.

#2 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-16 05:04 PM | Reply

Good deal. The safety of the LGBTQIA student is paramount.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-16 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We were told this type of thing would never happen.
In California your kids don't belong to you. They belong to the state.

#2 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No one told you any such thing, liar.

Question for you, does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child tells them they are transgender?

What if the child tells the doctor they would be unsafe at home if their parents knew?

Why should a teacher be different than a physician if they are often the only other adult figure in the child's lives?

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-16 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They aren't banned from telling them. They aren't required to tell them.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-16 05:35 PM | Reply

A 13-year-old kid (assigned male at birth) walks into a doctor's office, maybe they were referred for self-harm or maybe it's their annual exam. the kid is listless and withdraw, dressed androgynously. After some discussion the kid says "I feel like I am a girl, when I have to act like a boy, I just feel odd, like I don't feel at home in my own skin, but when, in quiet, solitary moments I can act like a girl, I feel like myself, my depression goes away. The problem is my parents are REAL religious and have gone crazy on me at times, hitting me and threatening to kick me out of the house, I don't know what to do"

What are the doctors legal, medical and ethical obligations?

If this scenario played out in a School Nurse's office, what are the nurse's legal, medical and ethical obligations?

If this scenario played out in a teacher's office what are the teacher's legal, and ethical obligations?

What justification for differences are there in the obligations?

Note that a teacher can and should be trained on addressing (in a general way-think triage) on how to handle this sort of interaction.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-16 05:44 PM | Reply

" Question for you, does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child tells them they are transgender?"

Absolutely.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-16 05:59 PM | Reply

Does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child is pregnant as a result of ------?

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-16 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In California your kids don't belong to you. They belong to the state.
#2 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

JFC you dumb

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-07-16 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Considering a minor can't legally consent to hormone replacement therapy or surgery, I'm not sure why a doctor is obligated to tell a parent anything.

They may simply be a safe outlet for a child who has questions or concerns.

I don't condone therapists telling parents what children confide with them either. (Unless there's a chance there will be physical harm to the child or others.)

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-16 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Question for you, does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child tells them they are transgender?"
Absolutely.

#7 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

You would be wrong (not surprisingly)

www.hhs.gov

HIPAA generally follows state law about parents' authority over their minor children's treatment. Therefore, where state law gives your minor child the ability to consent to their own treatment and your child has consented, HIPAA does not give you the right to access information about that treatment. In other words, if your child is able to consent to treatment, he or she also has the ability to exercise his or her own rights under HIPAA regarding information about that treatment. You need to know the law in
your state about minors' ability to consent independently to mental health or substance use disorder treatment. For example, in many states, a minor may consent to receive certain types of treatment but not others, or for limited amounts of time, without informing parents.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-16 06:08 PM | Reply

Question for you, does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child tells them they are transgender?"
Absolutely.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-07-16 05:59 PM | REPLY

No they don't. Doctor patient confidentiality. Deal with it.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-16 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In California your kids don't belong to you. They belong to the state.
#2 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Nice strawman.

Meanwhile, Republicans are passing legislation to register pregnant women with the state in order to keep track of their moments.

You're okay with this, you vote for it.

You're a fascist.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-16 06:10 PM | Reply

Say a child self harms and is taken to the hospital. The attending medical professionals will discuss the situation with parent and child together and parent and child separately, to give the child an opportunity to share whether abuse is occurring.

Since transgenderism tracks closely with mental health issues, a child can discuss with the medical professional and request that the parent be kept in the dark, for safety reasons (in most, ----------- states).

Some states require that the abuser, er parent know about the thing that they will be beating their child over later.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-16 06:12 PM | Reply

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"Natasha's Adventures

"My honest opinion on LGBT as a Russian'/ Why Russia is a bastion of traditional values?

In this video I will tell you about how Russia is fighting with We$tern degneracy. "

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This is her coming out for the first time completely on her popular channel.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-16 06:13 PM | Reply

Laura, there is SOME truth to what bellringer is claiming (though he is wrong with the absolute crap). Normally and in most cases a parent is entitled to all records and decision making. Mental health issues, substance abuse allow for the child to exert some level of privacy (in ----------- states) as those states recognize that a child's safety is paramount and the child could be in danger if the information is shared with parent.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-16 06:14 PM | Reply

Now, if we can get Jeff to acknowledge the reality of HIPAA, can we get him to explain why a teacher should not have the same discretion?

You know, to protect the child.

Then again, Jeff doesn't care about the child or women.

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-16 06:15 PM | Reply

"Now, if we can get Jeff to acknowledge reality"

You set try to set reasonable goals in life.

Like teaching pigeons to play chess.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-16 06:22 PM | Reply

Dag nabbit:

You should try to set reasonable goals in life.**

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-16 06:23 PM | Reply

We were told this type of thing would never happen.
In California your kids don't belong to you. They belong to the state.

#2 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This is a little melodramatic.

Based on the headline, I thought it was going to be things like transitions or hormones ect ect. Medical stuff.

But if it's just they identify a certain way at school and there's no overarching concern for the kid's mental health then I don't see a problem with scrapping the requirement.

As Eberly said, it's not a ban on telling the parents, it's just a ban on requiring them to do so.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2024-07-16 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-HIPAA generally follows state law about parents' authority over their minor children's treatment.

That document from HHS references "Health Professionals".

Unless I missed it, I didn't see anything about school teachers in that link.

Does HIPPA include school teachers in the definition of "health professional" or address them other way?

and wouldn't this law be unnecessary if HIPPA already addressed this protection?

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-16 06:38 PM | Reply

Elon Musk to move X, SpaceX to Texas over California gender identify law
www.axios.com

... Elon Musk announced Tuesday that he will move the headquarters of his companies SpaceX and X to Austin, Texas over a new gender identity law in California....


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-16 06:38 PM | Reply

I'd proffer that Mr Musk had been planning the move for a while now, and just chose this current time and political reason to make a more formal announcement about the move.

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-07-16 06:39 PM | Reply

23

I wouldn't be surprised to learn Texas sweetened the incentives in exchange for Musk to make such an announcement.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-16 06:46 PM | Reply

-Now, if we can get Jeff to acknowledge the reality of HIPAA

As I said....are you sure it's relevant?

I mean HIPPA.

Not Jeff....we already know Jeff is extremely relevant to you.

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-16 06:48 PM | Reply

#20 = Indeed.

There are kids that will identify a certain way for a time to see if it really feels right.

Teachers being REQUIRED, possibly with the threat of losing their job, to tell the parents as soon as some student or some teacher 'thinks' this is their identity of choice for the rest of their life is... really just more Big Gov State interference in relations between parents, their children, and their teacher from your Friendly Republican Fake Christian Party.

Who knows best what's good for you as far as gender goes... or as far as women's concerns and conciliations with their doctors goes.

Next they'll be telling you to forget about that Social Security you paid into, because it's really not good for you.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-16 06:54 PM | Reply

"does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child tells them they are transgender?"

Absolutely.
~POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Does Bellringer just make up lies to post? ABSOLUTELY!

Tell us, Bellringer, are you ignorant of the actual law? Or was it your goal to gaslight?

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-16 06:55 PM | Reply

conciliations should be - consultations

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-16 07:02 PM | Reply

I remember girls identifying as tomboys growing up.

Today's MAGA party would have them all assigned to mental institutions.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-16 07:29 PM | Reply

Real girls wear skirts and dresses!

Ban pants and shirts for girls!

That's grooming!

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-16 07:32 PM | Reply

"I remember girls identifying as tomboys growing up.

Today's MAGA party would have them all assigned to mental institutions."

Not likely but you would have been sent off somewhere ... ..

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-16 07:45 PM | Reply

Where's that, Bev?

The Ovens? Or just to some Republican Institute for the Gender Perverse?

'Member when Republicans were Small Government people?

Now they want to run every part of everyone's life... mostly based on a perversion of the teachings they claim to believe in.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-16 08:23 PM | Reply

-Where's that, Bev?

I was just playing along with his hysteria.

I know...you can't see it.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-16 09:45 PM | Reply

I can smell it...

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning!"

www.youtube.com


#34 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-16 10:06 PM | Reply

Elon Musk has a transgender child who wants nothing to do with him. And because of AB1955, he says he wants to move his Star Trek operations to Texas? Let me hold the door for him. Elon Musk smells money. The federal govt injected billions of dollars into Texas for infrastructure and high tech investment. Perhaps that's the true reason this goniff wants to re-locate his business to the Lone Star State. See sources below.

Source:

www.bbc.com

www.dallasfed.org

www.kvue.com

#35 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2024-07-17 03:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Question for you, does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child tells them they are transgender?

#4 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-07-16 05:31 PM | FLAG:

As a practical matter, how do you get parental consent for treatment without telling the parent?

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-17 08:51 AM | Reply

www.hhs.gov

#11 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-07-16 06:08 PM | FLAG:

That answered the above, sort of. What's the law in California?

Have they created a situation where a child can talk to a doctor and take puberty blockers without parental consultation? That sounds wild.

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-17 08:53 AM | Reply

" Have they created a situation where a child can talk to a doctor and take puberty blockers without parental consultation? That sounds wild.

#37 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2024-07-17 08:53 AM | FLAG: "

Exactly. A minor doesn't have the mental capacity to give informed consent on life changing prescriptions and surgery.

As for Twoothy - I seem to recall you saying you have a daughter who is now grown. I'd be willing to bet that when she was growing up you would have been mightily passed off if one of her teachers deliberately hid from you a mental issue she was experiencing because, you know, you are her ------- father.

As for this new law, it's just another example of the left's goal of trying to destroy the nuclear family.

#38 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-07-17 11:33 AM | Reply

but they might also have fanatics for parents with intense biases.

People are trying to be compassionate, but what about normal parents that want to do due diligence and get opinions from more doctors before letting only one sign off on their child undergoing therapies.

Also, as a parent, who's taking their kid to the doctor and not being in the room with them? Presuming we're talking about pre-puberty little kids, that's weird. What did you do, drop your kid off and the doc and go shopping? Who the hell filled out the insurance paperwork?

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-17 11:51 AM | Reply

As for this new law, it's just another example of the left's goal of trying to destroy the nuclear family.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-07-17 11:33 AM | REPLY

Your ignorance is showing Jeff. It's not the left who destroyed the nuclear family. It was toxic Patriarchy that destroyed the nuclear family. Women got tired of being reliant on the Man to support her and went out and made careers for themselves. Men couldn't handle a woman being equal to him.

#40 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-17 12:07 PM | Reply

"People are trying to be compassionate ... "

Not in Red States.

This is apparently a "backlash law" in response to red states passing dangerous laws that FORCE teachers to out children to their parents in some "red" states.

This law was designed to prevent that in California.

And according to the "Boaz Rule" if you don't like the states new ruling then get out. Like Elmo.

Bye Bye Elmo! Bye Bye DingDong!

Enjoy Texas. Hope they get the power turned back on soon for you.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-07-17 12:22 PM | Reply

40

Another non-married non-parent lecturing a married parent on how families operate.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 12:32 PM | Reply

Another non-married non-parent lecturing a married parent on how families operate.
#42 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024-07-17 12:32 PM | REPLY

You don't have to be either to educate yourself on the issue at hand. Of course you would come to Jeff's rescue. Not surprisingly.

#43 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-17 12:35 PM | Reply

Eberly thinks you get a degree for knocking up a woman.

He can't argue what you wrote, so he'll attack you instead.

If not for personal attacks, eberly wouldn't have anything to contribute.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 12:41 PM | Reply

"educate yourself on the issue at hand."

of being a parent and a spouse?

no, you can't do that through google, Laura.

No more than I can start telling you how transgenders should feel or believe.

But I'll gladly remember this the next time you start lashing out at people for not understanding anything about being a transgender or gay, etc.

I have google so I'm "educated on the issue at hand"

LOL

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 12:43 PM | Reply

-Eberly thinks you get a degree for knocking up a woman.

No, but I know infinitely more than you'll ever know about being a husband and father.

If want to learn how to---------.....I'll call you.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 12:45 PM | Reply

Question for you, does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child tells them they are transgender?
#4 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

As a practical matter, how do you get parental consent for treatment without telling the parent?
#36 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

What treatment?

There's nothing in #4 which suggests any "treatment".

The question was simple, "does a doctor have an obligation to tell the parent if the child tells them they are transgender?"

You're adding to the question. A child confiding in their doctor/therapist/psychiatrist they are, or may be transgender, shouldn't obligate the doctor/therapist/psychiatrist to tell the parents anything.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 12:47 PM | Reply

I know infinitely more than you'll ever know about being a husband and father.

I've been a husband since 2005, so no, you don't. Being able to manage a healthy relationship is something I'm very good at.

As for kids, between siblings and cousins and family, I know enough to have opinions.

Producing offspring doesn't mean shht. There are plenty of awful parents in the world.

Your stupid premise that having children suddenly gives you new insight is a lie.

But, that's what makes you a conservative. You have that same mentality that others are lesser than you. That undeserved sense of privilege.

If want to learn how to---------.....I'll call you.
#46 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Don't sell yourself short, you're quite the ---------- already.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 12:52 PM | Reply

What treatment?

#47 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-07-17 12:47 PM | FLAG:

Read the full thread.

#49 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-17 12:53 PM | Reply

Start with the scenario in #6

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-17 12:54 PM | Reply

Read the full thread.
#49 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I'm responding to what you posted, which suggests zero treatment.

Perhaps you should figure out what you're responding to.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 12:55 PM | Reply

#6 doesn't state providing treatment either.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 12:56 PM | Reply

"come to Jeff's rescue."

I disagree with Bellringer on virtually everything he's asserted.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 01:23 PM | Reply

-Producing offspring doesn't mean shht. There are plenty of awful parents in the world.

IOW, doing it right matters. Something you know nothing about.

-I've been a husband since 2005

LOL

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 01:25 PM | Reply

-Your stupid premise that having children suddenly gives you new insight is a lie.

wrong again, non parent.

my premise it that by NOT having children, check your "insight" at the door when you are talking to a parent of 3 for the past 25 years while married to their mother.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 01:26 PM | Reply

Eberly shames and denigrates the advice of a trans woman for not having kids.

You really are a piece of garbage.

#56 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-17 01:30 PM | Reply

-Eberly shames and denigrates the advice of a trans woman for not having kids.

nope. you lie.

but continue....please.

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 01:34 PM | Reply

You really are a piece of garbage.

#56 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

that's not what has your panties in a bunch, little fella.

It's time to start being honest with yourself. Then, you can stop lying to us.

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 01:35 PM | Reply

Cown & Alex,

which one of you weighs less?

I want to know which one to pick up to beat the ---- out of the other one.

I need to leave for a little bit but I promise to return and watch you 2 perform your faux outrage over my 100% accuracy..........but albeit with a little salt.

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 01:38 PM | Reply

You almost made it. By #11 it's talking about rights to treatment. If you can't parse my simple questions like who the ---- is signing off on that insurance when a kid is getting treatment underage without his parents knowing about it then you can just move on

#60 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-07-17 01:40 PM | Reply

Cown & Alex,

which one of you weighs less?

Compared to you, both of us.

Keep pretending having kids makes people smarter at raising kids.

Reality is your enemy.

Hey, that's something else you have in common with your fellow conservatives.

No wonder you can't post anything but personal attacks.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 02:27 PM | Reply

-Keep pretending having kids makes people smarter at raising kids.

keep pretending having internet educates you about how to raise kids.

You might as well believe you can perform surgery if you watch it once on youtube.

Raising kids is experience is........raising kids.

You have none.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 02:31 PM | Reply

my premise it that by NOT having children, check your "insight" at the door when you are talking to a parent of 3 for the past 25 years while married to their mother.
#55 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Oh, I see, it's all about you.

What a fragile ego you have.

Something tells me the need for you to make such an assertion has more to do with you than anything anyone posted.

Especially since no one called you a bad parent.

But now, who knows.

Best of luck, Lady Macbeth.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 02:32 PM | Reply

keep pretending having internet educates you about how to raise kids.
You might as well believe you can perform surgery if you watch it once on youtube.
Raising kids is experience is........raising kids.
You have none.
#62 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Your strawman factory is working overtime. How desperate you are to have a point.

I have plenty of opinions about raising kids and you'll read them should I chose to share.

Dont like it? Plonk me.

You hyperventilating *itch.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 02:35 PM | Reply

Of course you would come to Jeff's rescue. Not surprisingly.
#43 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Running is to defend deadname JeffJ is all he ever does.

Eberly is masterful with her pompoms.

It's all strawmen and personal attacks with that side kick.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 02:38 PM | Reply

-I have plenty of opinions about raising kids and you'll read them should I chose to share.

please do. It's wonderful entertainment and quite frankly why I come here.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 02:38 PM | Reply

The schools should absolutely be required to tell the parents. A large percentage of kids who feel they are transgender whether they are or are not are also suffering from some other form of mental health issue.

It is absolutely detrimental to the overall health of the child for the school to not inform the parents that their child is likely suffering from some OTHER mental illness at a minimum.

It's absolutely insane that anyone would think that the school shouldn't inform a parent.

#67 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-07-17 02:38 PM | Reply

The schools should absolutely be required to tell the parents.

Why should schools be required to tell parents their kids are claiming to be transgender?

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 02:41 PM | Reply

-her pompoms.

funny...somehow it was decided it was over the line to call Laura Larry or reference her as a he.

but it's fair game to do it to anyone else.

I don't do it, of course.

personal attacks is for Clown.

not me....

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 02:41 PM | Reply

It seems here clown thinks having a puppy is the same thing as preparing to have a baby...

Having kids is like boxing according to how Mike Tyson describes being in a fight. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Nothing prepares you for having kids like having kids and putting the work in day in and day out. If you don't have kids and have an opinion on having kids... you're probably wrong.

#70 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-07-17 02:42 PM | Reply

-It's absolutely insane that anyone would think that the school shouldn't inform a parent.

I would think that in most circumstances they will inform the parents.

but without the formal legal requirement to do so.

Let's allow common sense to prevail rather than treat teachers as though we don't trust them.

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 02:43 PM | Reply

#70

Oh, good then. Trumpers should ignore JD Mandel's claim that raped women have to give birth and raise the child, and that abuse victim women can't get divorced.

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-17 02:45 PM | Reply

www.aclu.org

Many parents may hope their children will come to them first with questions about gender and sexuality. But not every child has that option. Youth who are transgender face a real risk of rejection by the adults who are supposed to care for them when they disclose their gender identity. Trans people are much more likely to be abused by their immediate family based on their gender identity, and high risks of abuse and family rejection mean trans youth are overrepresented in foster care homes, juvenile detention centers, and homeless shelters. These high rates of familial rejection and abuse dramatically increase the risks of suicidality, substance abuse, and depression. Not every child can be their true selves at home without risking their physical or emotional well-being.

#73 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-17 02:45 PM | Reply

-I have plenty of opinions about raising kids and you'll read them should I chose to share.

please do.
#66 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Don't worry. I will. Perhaps you'll learn something.

Pompous jackholes like you tend to overestimate their value.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 03:00 PM | Reply

personal attacks is for Clown.
#69 | POSTED BY BEVERLY

Big girls don't cry, Beverly, big girls, don't cry.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 03:01 PM | Reply

xtramagazine.com

Forcibly outing trans kids is dangerous
OPINION: When schools are required to disclose a child's trans identity, they prioritize parents over students' well-being

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-07-17 03:02 PM | Reply

Let's allow common sense to prevail rather than treat teachers as though we don't trust them.
#71 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You mean those groomers who are turning your kids gay?

Republicans have done a fantastic job of painting them all as predators.

Probably why you keep voting for them.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 03:03 PM | Reply

If kids aren't telling their parents they believe they're transgender, it's because they don't trust their parents

Requiring teacher or counselors to betray the trust of their students is going to do nothing but traumatize the child.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 03:05 PM | Reply

-Don't worry. I will. Perhaps you'll learn something.

Can't wait.

But I'm skeptical you'll actually have the nerve to do that when I'm around.

-You mean those groomers who are turning your kids gay?

You see? That's my challenge....not yours

You're a bystander, little fella. Stay on the porch and let the adults handle the extremely important job of raising quality kids into quality adults.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 03:31 PM | Reply

Well, the moron brigade seems to have lost the thread.

In most ----------- states, a child can go to a medical professional and receive confidential healthcare, generally in the realm of mental health.

The logical reason for this is that many many mental health issues involve a great deal of shame AND/OR result of abuse, say from a parent.

A child is and should be entitled to confidential mental health care absent the abuser(s).

Now, the typical and standard of care for mental health issues is to create a framework of support structures, TYPICALLY involving family.

BUT, if the family is the source of the triggering issues and/or abuse, then alternatives need to be considered.

So, return to the example I posed in no. 6 above (which is a not infrequent occurrence).

A doctor or nurse are NOT required nor allowed to communicate the health issue to the parents. Because the child is in danger of abuse.

NOW, with those FACTS in mind, why should a teacher NOT have the same rights/obligations given they are often the only other adult in the child's life?

As an aside, jeff, I do have a daughter and this type of situation would not apply. My children know they can approach me with any issue and I will give them acceptance and support. Now you may be an abusive controlling ------- with your children, but I am not.

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-17 03:32 PM | Reply

"If kids aren't telling their parents they believe they're transgender, it's because they don't trust their parents"

Cool story.

If the parents can't be trusted, call health and human services.

The parents knowing should be a given.

Who knows, maybe they would want to give the kids up to a state organization that was willing to take them...

...trans friendly, of course.

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-07-17 03:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

you never answered my #21, Truth.

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 03:34 PM | Reply

-Now you may be an abusive controlling ------- with your children, but I am not.

He learned how to be an abusive controlling ------- in dental school.

but you already knew that........

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 03:38 PM | Reply

But I'm skeptical you'll actually have the nerve to do that when I'm around.

Your tough guy bravado is only impressing yourself. But hey, maybe you just need a win and this is how you try get it.

Carry on tough guy.

You're a bystander, little fella. Stay on the porch and let the adults handle the extremely important job of raising quality kids into quality adults.
#79 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You seem very interesting in making sure readers will believe you're a good parent. Wonder why that is when most people don't give a fkkk. Overcompensating isn't helping you.

Also. As a person who grew up being homosexual. I have a unique perspective on what homosexual kids growing up are dealing with.

One you'll never understand.

You have but one perspective and it sad how desperate you are for others to believe it's the only correct one.

You're a typical ignorant conservative who is sure his way is the only way to do it.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 03:48 PM | Reply

"I have a unique perspective on what homosexual kids growing up are dealing with."

no argument from me.

when I start lecturing homosexuals based on my personal opinion, then you can remind me my opinion isn't worth ----.

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 04:16 PM | Reply

-You seem very interesting in making sure readers will believe you're a good parent.

nope

why? how can you possibly reassure me of something like that?

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 04:25 PM | Reply

when I start lecturing homosexuals based on my personal opinion, then you can remind me my opinion isn't worth ----.
#85 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You don't have opinions on homosexuals?

Do you have any opinions on abortions? Or none since you can't get pregnant?

How about transgender rights? No opinions on whether they should play sports or get hormones or surgery, since you're not trans?

No opinions on race or minorities since you're a fat white guy?

No wonder you only show up to cheerlead and troll.

You stupid fkkking re tar d.

#87 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 04:43 PM | Reply

"(Eb), do you have any opinions on abortions?"

He's sure the Republicans only want it as a wedge issue, and would NEVER make it illegal.

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-07-17 04:56 PM | Reply

87

Hi, have we met?

When have you ever seen me offer up opinions about homosexuals or transgenders? You'd remember it if I had especially if I had a controversial opinion you disagree with.

You're asking those questions because you can't seem to remember me coming out with absurd opinions ever.......because I haven't.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 04:57 PM | Reply

88

separate issue.....and we've addressed that plenty.

and everyone remembers that so I couldn't run from it if I tried.

I don't tell women what to think.

This has gone down an absurd rabbit trail..........I wonder why? LOL

I told Laura to consider that she's not a parent or a spouse so consider that when she's lecturing a parent and a spouse about raising kids and the responsibilities of parents.

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:00 PM | Reply

I'm just happy to know that, "Trans!", is the most important issue in our nation today!

#91 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-17 05:02 PM | Reply

I'm pointing the absurdity of your claim that only parents can have opinions about raising kids.

Especially as far as what homosexual kids are dealing with growing up. I'm sure I personally dealt with a lot of similar issues, especially back in the 80s and 90s when the world wasn't as tolerant and excepting of homosexuality.

#92 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:03 PM | Reply

I told Laura to consider that she's not a parent or a spouse so consider that when she's lecturing a parent and a spouse about raising kids and the responsibilities of parents.

Laura was explaining to deadname JeffJ that he's not aware of what transgender children could be dealing with when they're growing up. And she's right, he doesn't.

What triggered you is beyond me, but here we are.

#93 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:06 PM | Reply

and excepting of homosexuality.

... and accepting of homosexuality.

#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:07 PM | Reply

-I'm pointing the absurdity of your claim that only parents can have opinions about raising kids.

You just can't accept that I know a millions times more than you'll ever know about it.

Danforth knows taxes and unions more than you and I put together. I can discuss these issues but I don't talk down to him as those he "needs to educate himself".

Laura doesn't know jack ---- about raising kids.

Which is fine...there is no obligation to know anything but don't cry when you get slapped for stepping out line.

Quit crying, Hawktuahshack.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:08 PM | Reply

-What triggered you is beyond me, but here we are.

In contrast, what triggered you is obvious.

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:09 PM | Reply

-Laura was explaining to deadname JeffJ that he's not aware of what transgender children could be dealing with when they're growing up.

another fkkking lie.

This is Laura's post.... "It's not the left who destroyed the nuclear family. It was toxic Patriarchy that destroyed the nuclear family. Women got tired of being reliant on the Man to support her and went out and made careers for themselves. Men couldn't handle a woman being equal to him."

Laura wasn't talking about transgender children in that post.

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:11 PM | Reply

Not all people make good parents.

Not all parents have the best of relationships with their children.

Not all parents are willing to accept their child is LGBTQ.

It seems some posters are taking this very personally and feel attacked.

If you have a good, healthy relationship with your kids, they'll confide in you about whether they're LGBTQ.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:12 PM | Reply

You understand I agree with this law and it's purpose, right?

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:15 PM | Reply

This is Laura's post.... "It's not the left who destroyed the nuclear family. It was toxic Patriarchy that destroyed the nuclear family. Women got tired of being reliant on the Man to support her and went out and made careers for themselves. Men couldn't handle a woman being equal to him."

Laura is not talking about children in this post. Or raising children. Or Transgender children ...

Not sure what triggered you in this post.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:15 PM | Reply

#98 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2024-07-17 05:12 PM | FLAG: Taking this very personally and feel attacked

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:15 PM | Reply

Tell me you're taking it personally, without telling me you're taking it personally:

my premise it that by NOT having children, check your "insight" at the door when you are talking to a parent of 3 for the past 25 years while married to their mother.
#55 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You got so threatened by Laura, you literally made it all about you.

You poor victim.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:19 PM | Reply

-Laura is not talking about children in this post. Or raising children. Or Transgender children ...

the nuclear family? women and men? toxic patriarchy?

raising kids is a big part of that.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:20 PM | Reply

nobody here thinks I'm a victim of anything, especially me.

You, OTOH, are perceived as a perpetual victim of society and this blog.

#104 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:21 PM | Reply

The entire post was about the false claim that the left somehow destroyed the nuclear family.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:22 PM | Reply

-you literally made it all about you.

You mentioned your spouse on multiple threads here, just today.

is that making it all about you?

Not in my opinion.

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:23 PM | Reply

You, OTOH, are perceived as a perpetual victim of society and this blog.
#104 | POSTED BY EBERLY

All you got is projection.

So upset about something someone posted that you started lecturing about how you've raised three kids and are still married to your wife.

Bravo!

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:25 PM | Reply

105

You finally realized that. congrats.

And I disagree....I think the left, the right, the middle, etc. and many factors have impacted the nuclear family.

It's not all bad news. The nuclear family isn't the answer to everything.

#108 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:25 PM | Reply

I got work to do and we pretty much ruined this thread for everyone else.......

gotta go.....

#109 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 05:28 PM | Reply

Mission Accomplished!

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:29 PM | Reply

Until next time.

#111 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 05:29 PM | Reply

#98 NOPE

I have a gay kid, great relationship with him, and always have... both my wife and I. We were the last people he came out to. We just recently discussed if he ever felt like he couldn't or that we wouldn't accept him. He said he always felt we would be fine. He said he didn't come out to us because he just felt weird discussing sex related topics with his parents. This is pretty normal, I know wasn't looking to discuss anything about sex, my sexuality or anything with my parents... and my parents were super supportive of anything I wanted, needed, issues, etc..

Kids feel awkward discussing personal topics with their parents sometimes, and it has nothing to do with not being supported, or fearful.

My other son struggles with depression and it affects his classes/grades in college. I offer all the help I can to help with his classes, time management anything. I don't get mad if he does poorly... He still doesn't take me up on it as he says he's just embarrassed. He will however go to his friends, his friends parents etcetera as he isn't worried about disappointing them, even though he rationally knows I won't be disappointed either. So to his own detriment he doesn't come to me.

Do you think these kids are any different. So instead of a little embarrassment you'd rather have a mentally ill child helped in hiding it from their parents by the school system... genius.

#112 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-07-17 07:05 PM | Reply

- a mentally ill child

Is going to end up seeing the school counselor or psychologist, which then frees the teacher of having to make a decision for a child who might just be figuring out who they are.

I remember when Republicans were small government people... now they want the government to make all their decisions for them. These are matters that should be between parents, teachers, doctors, and students.

You might be interested in the video in #15... a Russian girl coming out pov story.

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-17 07:26 PM | Reply

-I remember when Republicans were small government people..

You're old because that's been at least 45+ years ago

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 08:08 PM | Reply

"These are matters that should be between , teachers, doctors, and students."

Note your first entry in who should be included.

#115 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-07-17 08:12 PM | Reply

I tried to emphasize parents in your quote, and it got stripped out instead

#116 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-07-17 08:15 PM | Reply

No one is arguing parents shouldn't normally be involved with every aspect of their child's life.

But to conclude that every family is like that is patently absurd and dangerous.

28% of LGBTQ youth reported experiencing homelessness or housing instability at some point in their lives " and those who did had two to four times the odds of reporting depression, anxiety, self-harm, considering suicide, and attempting suicide compared to those with stable housing.

www.thetrevorproject.org

This FACT is recognized by ----------- states and they have passed laws that protect the child in certain circumstances, by keeping sensitive, personal information from the parent.

My question, which no one seems able to answer is why should teachers not be held to the same authority?

#117 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-17 08:22 PM | Reply

117

Plenty people can answer

Nobody likes you, twoothy.

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 08:36 PM | Reply

Nobody likes you, twoothy.

POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024-07-17 08:36 PM | REPLY

you can barely speak for yourself, dont include me. thanks.

#119 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-17 09:17 PM | Reply

Alex especially doesn't like you twoothy.

You see, nobody respects you for trying to out the identity of another poster just because he was wiping the floor with you.

Alex lacks the courage to openly admit it, of course.

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 09:46 PM | Reply

" Alex especially doesn't like you twoothy."

You are lying again. ---- off, freak.

#121 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-17 09:48 PM | Reply

You're a coward, Alex.

s.yimg.com

You're this kid. Can't make an argument. Just hide behind others running your ------ mouth.

#122 | Posted by eberly at 2024-07-17 10:04 PM | Reply

We were the last people he came out to.

Last people as far as what?

You're right. My friends knew first.

But I didn't tell my doctor or teachers or counselors or neighbors before I told my parents.

They definitely weren't the last people I came out too.

#123 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-07-17 10:07 PM | Reply

Ya'll could have a threesome and talk this out after.

#124 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-17 10:30 PM | Reply

m.youtube.com

#125 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-17 10:38 PM | Reply

Eberly lives in a fantasy world where speaksofy doesn't vote, no one likes truthy, and i have no compassion.

all you have are strawmen. grow up!

#126 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-07-17 10:58 PM | Reply

I always wanted to live in Billy Pilgrim's Fantasy World... with Montana Wildhack!

#127 | Posted by Corky at 2024-07-17 11:06 PM | Reply

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