Very interested in hearing Yav's opinion on this. I know Yav watched the whole thing and came away with a very strongly opinionated reaction, which is why I'm singling Yav out - I think he may be only one in a small number on this site who would be willing to take the time to watch the video and offer opinions.

#2 Yes. it is.

That's disappointing but hardly surprising. But thank you for acknowledging you saw this thread.

" Why do you think it's disappointing that people rightfully disregard Megyn Kelly's garbage opinions as a matter of course?

#6 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2025-03-04 09:01 AM | FLAG: "

Dismissing her without even hearing what she has to say.

The only reason I found it disappointing is because I was hoping he'd take the time to give it a fair listen. But, I get it. He watched the real deal more than once. The reason I thought this might be good for Uav to watch is because I also watched the Trump Zelenskyy show in its entirety and when I read Yav's comments it seems like he and I watched two completely different events.

On this thread I'm pointing out where Zelenskyy went wrong.

" Where did ------- go wrong? Where did Putin go wrong"

Putin went wrong by invading.

Trump inherited this situation 3 years in.

Any more stupid questions?

" Bellringer, you really think anyone here is interested in hearing and entertaining a differing view. I respect your optimism.

#13 | POSTED BY KWRX25 AT 2025-03-04 02:11 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

I never expected it would. I thought Yav might but nobody else would.

" Bellringer, do you believe Trump and Vance pre-planned the incident? A simple yes or no will do.

#19 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-03-04 02:41 PM | FLAG: "

No. It was supposed to be a signing ceremony for a mutually agreed upon minerals deal. Senator Murphy and other Dem senators got into Zelenskyy's ear just prior to this (he bragged about it on X). Zelensky needled Trump 4-5 times before things went south, and keep in mind that Trump let it all slide until Zelenskyy started talking about how America is going to feel ... No, it wasn't planned. Trump seemed a bit surprised by how Zelenskyy handled himself.

" From the posting it seemed to me that Bellringer didn't see it live, and then didn't watch it until after he'd read/watched right-wing coverage of it.
Bellringer then watched the event with all the preconditioning needed to interpret it as the MAGAverse wanted."

The only commentary I saw prior to watching it on YouTube was a Scott Jennings at a CNN roundtable.

The video I linked is one I came across last night well after I'd been done watching it.

Here's the thing. Zelenskyy was snippy on a handful occasions and Trump let it slide.

Trump wanted to on a coupe of occasions yet clearly bit his tongue. By does anyone think Zelenskyy should be able to walk into the WH, get snippy with his hosts with impunity and his hosts are expected to just smile and take it and when they do finally push baok they were behaving terribly. It makes no sense.

" Show us on the transcript.

#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2025-03-04 03:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Click the link at the top and see it for yourself.

" ashamed that my country would exploit someone so vulnerable to the point of even trying to seize their resources while demanding they be thankful. Not just thankful, but really, really thankful to Trump himself.

#15 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2025-03-04 02:22 PM | FLAG: |"

That implies that Ukraine gets nothing out of it in return. It's an economic boon to their country.