You -------- like Danforth have been whining for years about the 'tax incentives' to offshore jobs. Now that we are actually protecting American jobs and encouraging their onshoring, we get Democrats whining about them being taxes. The funny thing is the mental gymnastics your side has to do because your lives have become dependent on cheap Chinese crap and now you are fighting for that to continue despite the DOZENS of speeches by your party leaders embracing tariffs over the last 30 years - you know - the time before the Democrat party sold out workers for the elites.

""Now that we are actually protecting American jobs "

That's not what we're doing. Not at all."

So, you are stating now that tariffs will not protect American jobs?

"Trump is causing broad sweeps in the market to short it, or long it. The goal is to squeeze out every last dime of value from that quaint old notion of "America"."

Stop with the BlueAnon conspiracy theories - you sound stupid.

"By choice. Your answer is to make that cheap crap SOOOO expensive, folks buy American-made cheap crap, for inflated prices."
#38 | Posted by Danforth"

Yes, correct. American-made cheap crap made by US citizens with living wages.

"Time to put more tariffs on the McDonald Islands, amirite???
#38 | Posted by Danforth"

I guess I should respond to this as well given that the usual squad of uninformed Dems have latched onto this talking point. This is basically to close the loophole by which countries or companies declare their headquarters in areas that are not governed by normal tax or trade policies. It does not even matter if the islands are inhabited if countries can declare that is the port for their exports to skirt tariffs. It is basically how Ireland inflated their GDP over the last 30 years.

""American-made cheap crap made by US citizens with living wages."
You only get two of those three.
~Sincerely, Math
#40 | Posted by Danforth"

Great, so it will be slightly more expensive crap made in the US by US citizens with living wages. You are arguing this is a bad thing?

"I'm stating the economic upset won't pay for itself, and by the time the markets readjust, they'll do it with MUCH LESS America as trading partner.
#43 | Posted by Danforth"

So you supported keeping the status quo until the US slips into bankruptcy?

"Do you think there can be differing things that tariffs accomplish, depending on the size and scope, or is that another thing you can't bring yourself to think about?
#49 | Posted by snoofy"

The thinking on tariffs has always been that they protect domestic industries from unfair foreign competition due to:

1.) foreign country placing tariffs on your goods
2.) unfair labor cost advantage
3.) unfair environmental advantage (less regulations)

They also discourage off-shoring by lessening the profit motive by moving production overseas to get #2/#3 above.

That is why pretty much why every country in the world places tariffs on our goods.

Now, Dems are whining that the pricing on their cheap Chinese crap may increase and we are supposed to feel bad for them when they were whining that this is what they wanted for the last 40 years. Globalization and free trade LOWERS US wages. Illegal immigrant LOWERS US wages.

You -------- will be much better off in 5-10 years than you are now but you will be whining the entire time.

""So you supported keeping the status quo until the US slips into bankruptcy?"
No
#50 | Posted by Danforth"

Okay - so we need you to clarify:

Are you:

1.) 100% opposed to all tariffs by the US?
2.) Accept tariffs were needed but you disagree on the size and/or targeted countries?

You seem to be all over the board - so, please clarify your position.

"So you're just not going to consider the size and the scope of the tariffs, and how they might impact the domestic and global economy.
#52 | Posted by snoofy"

So you agree that tariffs are needed - you just disagree on the size and scope? Please clarify.

"This didn't clarify it?
"To Republicans, this makes sense. Spend $815,000 of taxpayer money, to create one sub-100k job, making washing machines."

So, 2,000 new US jobs producing washing machines - given the 4x multiplier due to the propensity to spend, this 100K job produced $400K in economic benefits - and this is just the direct jobs. How many jobs did it create in the trades for electrical supply, building construction, inspections, etc? All told, after 2 years, even the $800K is offset. This reverse math is the ------- math liberals and globalists used to justify the outsourcing to begin with - yeah, it is just 2,000 jobs....until the trades shut down, the accounting firm shuts down, the local grocery store shuts down....

"My opinion of the tariffs can be found by looking at how the stock market reacts. And you can pick any stock market you like, in this case.
#57 | Posted by snoofy"

So if tariffs = BAD in snoofy math, why does every country place them on our goods?

The funny part for me, is that you are one of the biggest whiners on this board about low wages - and yet, you 100% support policies that destroy the US wage scale. Talk about voting against your own self-interest.

"Not all tariffs are bad. These tariffs are bad."

So tariffs = Bad when Trump does them. I see. Typical Democrat whining.

"Except it's a much more global economy now, and we are also losing the pre-eminent position we built up"

The pre-eminent position as chief outsourcer and ------- partner willing to run ever growing trade deficits? Yeah, we are giving up that position.

"Nobody can explain why people like you cheer for America to give up our leadership role.
#59 | Posted by snoofy"

This is a good thing. And the funny part will be - even economic losers like yourself will benefit long term from this as the minimum wage increases due to supply and demand. At that point, your whining will be about 'I am offered too many hours at work - I want to go back to 15 hours/week. Making pizzas is a hard job you know'. Give it a year.