Exxon Mobil CEO: Hydrocarbons Still Critical for Foreseeable Future

The subject matter is deeper than a couple of statistics that you think make up an actual argument.
#14 | Posted by BellRinger

No it isn't.

You only need to look at one chart to understand which direction we should be investing in, and which direction we should be weaning ourselves off of.

Now shut your little bitch mouth.

The Plummeting Cost of Renewable Energy
www.visualcapitalist.com
Key Takeaways
The price of concentrated solar power declined by 54% since 2014 and solar photovoltaic (PV) declined by 75%.
Concentrated solar power, which uses mirrors to produce concentrated sunlight, stood at a $53 billion market in 2023.
Wind power is at least 60% less expensive than in 2014, driven by larger generating capacity and technical advancements improving installation costs.

Supplemental:
The levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) is a measure of the average net present cost of electricity generation for a generator over its lifetime. It is used for investment planning and to compare different methods of electricity generation on a consistent basis.
en.wikipedia.org

#10. It still requires back up because it's unreliable and doesn't match demand peaks.

Neither is a viable source of providing much more than nominal energy. And neither is nearly as "green" as they are purported. Both come with considerable environmental problems.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger

Neither one roasts the ------- planet like your precious oil does.

Why should we listen to ANYTHING from you and the rest of your stupid cult that calls climate change a hoax? You were wrong about that. You were wrong that china wouldnt go green. You were wrong that green power is too expensive.

But yeah please tell us the path to prosperity nostradamus.

#16. You epitomize emotional cult behavior on this issue.

#12. You need to divorce your thinking from emotion when talking about these subjects. The subject matter is deeper than a couple of statistics that you think make up an actual argument.

#14 | Posted by BellRinger

I suspected you couldn't be a better person.

Se la vie

I am a better person, as in, superior.

Se la vie
#18 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

It's 'C'est la vie" ... FFS

I am a better person, as in, superior.
#19 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Not better than me, but you certainly appear to be a better person than the Lumpers.

You MAGAts are pure garbage.

#19 v #21

Those with the least reason always have the biggest egos.

These two are among the lesser intellects here; barely above THEBULL and Robson, just mouthier.

You were wrong that china wouldnt go green.

We are and we aren't, certainly investing in it, but CO2 continues to climb, though at a lower rate.
Still making coal fired plants at an enormous rate. and I doubt the future enthusiasm of this graph

This is why China still builds Nukes, and the price is dropping fast.

Why the West other than the USN stopped making Nukes is beyond rational understanding.

I am a better person, as in, superior.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger

You defend and support a Rapist and a Pedophile.

I've seen rabbit turds in my yard that are superior to you.

- a Rapist and a Pedophile.

And now a Mass Child Murderer, nearly half a million this year alone and counting.

Apparently the more evil Trump is, the more the Base loves him.

#16. You epitomize emotional cult behavior on this issue.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger

On the issue of my home being roasted? Your casual attitude doesn't reflect well on your intelligence.

The subject matter is deeper than a couple of statistics that you think make up an actual argument.

#14 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Certainly much more complex than your typical maga fact free analysis of "Solar and/or wind? Dumb."

You obviously only have only a MAGAts cursory kindergarten level knowledge of what is involved in solar/wind power and how it fits into our energy calculations every day.

I bet you've never even heard of the Duck Curve.

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#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-11-10 06:19 PM
Renewable energy in the U.S. has seen substantial growth since 2000, with overall energy generation increasing by 91.2% between 2000 and 2020.

IOW, less than double in 20 years, coming from small base? That explains why so many solar and wind companies went under.

Re e360.yale.edu - unfortunately, this 2021 "debunking study" has created several easily debunked myths of its own, including selectively defining self-referential metrics of growth and costs, which are typical of 'Denominator Blindness'-biased studies.

Growth of renewables has stalled since 2021 (as they ran out of existing nearby NG plants, needed for backup), with great losses to producers like Siemens Energy (wind), and projects' developers. NG share keeps increasing, replacing coal. Renewables simply don't have necessary energy density and availability:

www.nei.org - Land Use by Energy Source

In real life:

www.congress.gov - Why Renewables Can't Save the Planet (Michael Shellenberger was in charge of several Obama's renewables projects)

www.forbes.com - The Reason Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization Is Because They Were Never Meant To - Michael Shellenberger, 2019-05-06

www.realclearenergy.org - Britain's Net Zero Disaster and the Wind Power Scam - Dec. 20, 2023

The hottest investments in energy infrastructure now are nuclear plants and gas turbines, also green/blue hydrogen research.

gasturbineworld.com - Gas Turbine Market Forecast 2025 Revision - 2025-09-27

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-10 06:32 PM
China has 3x the electricity capacity of the United States because they are smarter... They don't label viable technologies "dumb"

Exactly! As part of "not labeling viable technologies dumb" China is building up renewables where practical, while generating more than 60% of their electricity using coal-fired plants and is building more of them, buying some of cheap coal from the US:

www.carbonbrief.org - China's construction of new coal-power plants 'reached 10-year high' in 2024 - 2025-02-13

China is energy-abundant because, while selling "renewable" solar panels to the rest of the world, they were also investing in and building nuclear plants and are now building world's largest hydroelectric dam, which will generate 3x electricity of Three Gorges Dam - that's more than 20% of total US capacity.

itif.org - Chinese firms are well ahead of their Western peers. China likely stands 10 to 15 years ahead of the United States in nuclear power - 2024-06-17

world-nuclear.org - Plans For New Reactors Worldwide - 2025-10-29
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FYI: interestingengineering.com

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That's why Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft and others with "AI" or "intelligent cloud" datacenters are investing in nuclear power, not VRE renewables:
www.cnbc.com - CNBC, 2024-12-28

|------- ... As leaders in the AI race push for further technological advancements and deployment, many are finding their energy needs increasingly at odds with their sustainability goals.

"A new data center that needs the same amount of electricity as say, Chicago, cannot just build its way out of the problem unless they understand their power needs,"

After years of focusing on renewables, major tech companies are now turning to nuclear power for its ability to provide massive energy in a more efficient and sustainable fashion. ...

"What we're seeing is nuclear power has a lot of benefits," said Michael Terrell, senior director of energy and climate at Google. "It's a carbon-free source of electricity. It's a source of electricity that can be always on and run all the time. And it provides tremendous economic impact."
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Even California is starting to understand that:

www.bloomberg.com - Data Centers in Nvidia's Hometown Stand Empty Awaiting Power - BL, 2025-11-10

|------- ... The fate of the two facilities highlights a major challenge for the US tech sector and indeed the wider economy. While demand for data centers has never been greater, driven by the boom in cloud computing and AI, access to electricity is emerging as the biggest constraint. That's largely because of aging power infrastructure, a slow build-out of new transmission lines and a variety of regulatory and permitting hurdles.

... The Santa Clara projects are relatively small compared with the massive complexes for large-language model AI developers, which are now being built in Texas, Pennsylvania, Louisiana and New Mexico, where the cost of electricity is lower but the power sources are often still works in progress. The smaller centers serve local cloud clients who pay a higher price for real estate and power to reduce latency caused by long-distance transmissions " think high-frequency traders or autonomous-vehicle operators who need information in microseconds. ...
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Also, www.latimes.com - California backs down on AI laws so more tech leaders don't flee the state - LAT. 2025-11-08

That's one of the reasons EU became a lot more flexible with definition of a "fossil fuel," leaving them free to employ natural gas.

The real myth is the panacea of "saving the world from global warming" with "wind and solar everywhere" which crowds out more efficient and cheaper long-term energy generation.
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