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A report from the Costs of War project at Brown University revealed that 20 years of post-9/11 wars have cost the U.S. an estimated $8 trillion and have killed more than 900,000 people.

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Confucius say, Son of peasants who lives in glass house most foolish to throw stones.

Boomers and their parents stopped the war in Vietnam, and most opposed the Corporate Elites who propagated Oil Wars.

But Trump thanks you for playing divisive blame games while he and his authoritarian friends divvy up the world.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-30 11:43 AM | Reply

POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

This inter-generational conflict guff is you being stupid.

You'll get old someday yourself, I promise.

You'll need the time to un-stupid yourself.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-30 11:58 AM | Reply

Way to go Boomers!

And we can still kick your commie arses, too.

Right after that SS check comes in and we get a little food in us you are in big trouble buddy. Soon as I find my walker. And take a nap. Yeah. Then you'll see!

So be afraid of us Big Bad Boomers!

Then..

GFY Commie Spyboy.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-30 12:36 PM | Reply

Boomer War Cost: $8 trillion and 900,000 deaths

Posted by oneironaut

"And that's why we should give Russia and China everything they want."
-OneIronTurd *

* Who is definitely not a paid Russian troll

#4 | Posted by censored at 2025-12-30 12:53 PM | Reply

Sorry corkandsniff, the "intergenerational conflict" is chock full of valid points.

Including the GWoT along with the vast majority of our current economic dumpster fire.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-30 12:59 PM | Reply

* Who is definitely not a paid Russian troll

#4 | POSTED BY CENSORED

*Because he is a Chinese Troll.

(They are much cheaper)

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-30 01:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Including the GWoT along with the vast majority of our current economic dumpster fire.

#5 | POSTED BY JPW

OneNut is a hateful commie arse. Only seeking to create more chaos and division and pick at America's scabs. . So I could care less what his opinion of our generations are.

But I think it's fair to say that every generation blames the previous generation for the many problems not solved or exacerbated by the previous generation while overlooking the advances and improvements.

Selective blame: Younger generations typically blame older ones for issues that disadvantage them (housing affordability, climate inaction, wage stagnation) while praising earlier cohorts for perceived gains (civil rights expansions, social stability, economic growth).

Reciprocal critique: Older generations often blame younger ones for cultural change, perceived entitlement, or technological distraction. Each side interprets the other's behavior through its own values and anxieties.

That is to say some of the blame is justified and some is not and mostly is offset by the advances achieved by the previous generation.

But regardless, I bet THIS generation is gonna have a lot of splaining to do for the Great American FAFO.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-12-30 01:18 PM | Reply

The data shows quite clearly the boomers have left and are leaving a worse off world for their children and grandchildren.

Things they enjoyed like education, a sound economy, a functional government and Republic, affordable housing...all gone now as they seek to liquidate as much as they can for as much $$$ money as they can before they kick the bucket.

Obviously, there are exceptions to that.

But generationally, things are really really awful now compared to what the boomers had when they were in their peak years.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-30 01:27 PM | Reply

- corkandsniff

That was very grown up! Good job (pats head).

Generational blame games are Distractions to the point of what's happening now... sorta like rwing distractions about Trans and Immigrants.

Perhaps you should blame Boomers for stopping the War in Vietnam (that killed at least 4 million people outright, and is still killing people today with chemicals), running Tricky Dick out of Office, JFK, The Great Society, and Women's Rights.

The Greatest Gen, who won WWII and elected FDR 4 times and gave us the New Deal... also dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. No Gens are perfect... well, except maybe yours.

One could blame your Gen for there being little good music anymore. Or Tic-Toc, ffs.

Also for Trump if you want to look at swing voters... although they are flocking back to center now.

Boomer accomplishments

"The Baby Boomer generation (born 1946-1964) significantly advanced social justice, spearheading the Civil Rights Movement, second-wave Feminism (fighting for reproductive rights & workplace equality), and the anti-war movement (Vietnam), leading to lasting policy changes and increased social freedoms.

They also drove technological adoption (personal computers, internet), shifted consumer culture with their large numbers, championed environmentalism, and fostered an era of public service and volunteering, although their legacy also includes significant national debt and debates over economic inequality."

www.google.com

As I mentioned above, most of the Elites who funded the Oil Wars and Reagan were indeed Boomers, but most Boomers were not Elites.

Today, Musk and Thiel and most of the other major Trump billionaire's aren't Boomers, they are more YOUR GEN.

Blame games are for children.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-30 01:34 PM | Reply

We need a yawn flag.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-30 01:38 PM | Reply

#10

Apparently, as you obviously have no actual retort other than one big whine.

Musk and Thiel and most of DJT's biggest donors are your Gen. Own it.

But I'm not going to play your stupid kid's game.


#11 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-30 01:49 PM | Reply

They're not my gen.

Thiel was born in 1967. Basically, a boomer.

Musk is an older Gen X.

In any case, that die was cast by boomers and their pulling up the economic ladder after themselves to push us down this path of runaway rabid "capitalism," which is really just unbridled greed.

The peak of our country and start of its decline was during the 80s and 90s, when boomers were starting to exert influence and electoral power. It's been downhill under the greedy eyes ever since.

Own it.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-30 01:53 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY JPW

I'm conscious of a lifetime of hard work, sacrifice, and personal achievement.

I'm not sure when it was I pulled that ladder up against you.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2025-12-30 01:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"cost the U.S. an estimated $8 trillion"

Sounds about right.

The cost of the Iraq War was projected to be around 4 trillion, before it started. As I recall, half of that was future health care costs for Veterans.

Not projected to be $4T by Republicans, though. As I'm sure many of us recall, Republicans said stealing Iraq's oil would pay for the war, which is something the oil companies wouldn't let Republicans do, funny how Capitalism works like that

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 02:01 PM | Reply

Boomers end in '64-ish. Thiel and Musk are definitely Gen X. Like Kavanaugh. They're early Gen X.

The way to divide Gen X is, what video game console did they have at home as kids. I was born in 71 so my neighbors had Atari. Whereas JPW might be on the Nintendo portion of the spectrum.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 02:04 PM | Reply

I'm not sure when it was I pulled that ladder up against you.
#13 | Posted by Zed

But you can see the hole where the ladder used to be, right?

"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

And you can look at the graph of productivity vs wages, and see the same effect. Productivity keeps going up, wages have been relatively static for fifty years.

Boomers used to say "a rising tide lifts all boats."

Boomers seem acutely unaware that it hasn't been that way for two or three generations now.

I'm guessing, the poor ones didn't notice much change. And the rich ones are papering over the structural failures in society by simply giving money to their kids, which addresses the problem at an individual level, but still limits wealth gains to 20% of households.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 02:14 PM | Reply

Boomers had as much control over wars as you have over Ukraine and Gaza.

#17 | Posted by fresno500 at 2025-12-30 02:18 PM | Reply

-Blame games are for children.

I agree ... ... but You mean blame games specifically regarding generations?

I'm assuming you're still fine with plenty of other blame games, correct?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2025-12-30 02:22 PM | Reply

" still limits wealth gains to 20% of households"

Your concept is right, but your numbers are a little off.

You're leaving out the folks who have no kids, and will be giving the money to other households.

On that "line", the over is a lock.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-30 02:26 PM | Reply

"You're leaving out the folks who have no kids, and will be giving the money to other households."

Sure, that's certainly a thing that happens.

Could still be a zero sum game, though, as that household goes away when the parents go.

What portion of total household income is gifts? How much of it is gifts to the bottom 80% of households? Point I'm making is, I get a check from Santa in my stocking, but I'm not in the bottom 80% of households.

As we all say to Boaz, when he says it's not governments job to do charity, individual wealthy families don't have the power to right a structurally, systemically unsound economy.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 02:36 PM | Reply

"Blame games are for children."

Biden's Fault, or Obama's fault?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 02:38 PM | Reply

" I get a check from Santa in my stocking, but I'm not in the bottom 80% of households."

Luckily, all six of my grand-nieces and grand-nephews (all between 20-28) are in the 80%.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-30 03:05 PM | Reply

Okay but now we're back to reminding Boaz that individual charitable contributions are no substitute for a functioning economy.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 03:10 PM | Reply

"(all between 20-28) are in the 80%"

I'd expect most are, at that young age, and in this "Since 1975" death throes of Capitalism age.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 03:18 PM | Reply

"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

Since Covid, and up until Trump, I noticed a marked change towards the bottom rungs. The stimuli, obviously, but also Energy Credits from prior years really helped with the refunds, and were aimed away from the wealthy.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-30 03:22 PM | Reply

Proper title for thread:

Where there's Boaz, there's Bull Manure.

#26 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-12-30 03:32 PM | Reply

- Boomers end in '64-ish. Thiel and Musk are definitely Gen X. Like Kavanaugh. They're early Gen X.

Like I said.

They and their billionaire friends gave us Trump with their bribe investments for Media buys, were we to be playing JPW's game.

Which we aren't.

Here's a good New Year's quote for all of us to keep in mind:

"Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people,"

(often attributed to Socrates, encouraging focus on concepts, progress, and intellectual growth rather than gossip or trivial happenings. While widely shared as Socratic wisdom, the exact wording isn't in Plato's dialogues, with some tracing the sentiment to historian Henry T. Buckle or Eleanor Roosevelt.)

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-30 04:36 PM | Reply

We're discussing generational shifts in the economy, mostly implemented at a time when a certain generation was in power.

It's not wrong to examine what those people were thinking, and why.

They were the ones who largely brought about the oligarchy that was grown up in this country, since 9/11 or so.

You can take that personally, or take it as blame, but its also simply what happened.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 04:42 PM | Reply

Jeff is a ------- coward

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-30 04:56 PM | Reply

"Could still be a zero sum game, though, as that household goes away when the parents go."

Statistically impossible. As soon as one couple bequeaths to more than one recipient, you're already >20%. Same with couples who have multiple children.

The only way to subtract would be if a couple gave everything, every last penny, to a charity.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-30 05:15 PM | Reply

- examine what those people were thinking, and why.

It is the same in all recent Gens... all the Elites are mostly of one or more Gens, but those Gens are mostly not the Elites, they are average Americans.

From #9: "As I mentioned above, most of the Elites who funded the Oil Wars and Reagan were indeed Boomers, but most Boomers were not Elites.

Today, Musk and Thiel and most of the other major Trump billionaire's aren't Boomers... "

Examining the facts is fine, but playing blame games with Gens when it's the Elites that make the decisions with their bribes to politicians (and SC Justices) is frankly useless.

It's a Distraction not unlike Trans, Immigrants, and Abortion; "Look over there, not at us!".

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-30 05:30 PM | Reply

"Could still be a zero sum game, though, as that household goes away when the parents go."

"Statistically impossible."

But also statistically negligible.

If you disagree, just tell me what percentage of households in the top 20% got there thanks to gifts from unrelated households in the top 20%.

I'm sure it happens. Kids that get scholarships and such. But it's not a structural remedy to a structural problem.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 06:07 PM | Reply

As in: If charity could deliver us a pre 1975 wealth gradient, we wouldn't be talking about the post 1975 wealth gradient.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 06:10 PM | Reply

My charity is my family. All y'all can go ---- yourselves.

Also, I washed dishes, lifted picture tubes 300 times a day, and paid for my own tech education.

I spent zero time whining about those -------- that created the Great Depression.

#34 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-12-30 06:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But also statistically negligible."

You're joking, right?

Married couples, on average have ~1.8 kids.

If each couple gives to 1.8 households, the wealth is spread from 20% of the households to 36%.

Even if you use 1.5, that's still 30%.

Not statistically negligible at all.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-30 07:53 PM | Reply

" If you disagree, just tell me what percentage of households in the top 20% got there thanks to gifts from unrelated households in the top 20%."

Moot point.

Unless you're suggesting the top 20% ONLY gives to the top 20%, a statistical impossibility.

The assumption is the recipient is currently in a different household by the time the last parent dies.

And there will still only be 20% in the top 20%.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-12-30 08:04 PM | Reply

"Not statistically negligible at all."

I guess it depends on what's negligible?

Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households.

Charitable giving may be reflected in that fact, but it doesn't change it. Whatever change giving has wrought, it has already been accounted for in the observation.

Am I missing something?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 08:06 PM | Reply

"And there will still only be 20% in the top 20%."

Indeed, but it hasn't always been the case that practically all the gains have gone to the top 20%. That started in 1975.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-30 08:07 PM | Reply

Zionism is the greatest sacrifice of all.

#39 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-12-31 10:08 AM | Reply

"Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people,"

Corkandsniff's usual pomposity.

Boomers were handed the world and they decided to keep it all for themselves.

That is an inescapable fact, no matter how many times you act like dismissive garbage is a sound argument.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-31 10:55 AM | Reply

Also, I washed dishes, lifted picture tubes 300 times a day, and paid for my own tech education.
I spent zero time whining about those -------- that created the Great Depression.

#34 | Posted by LegallyYourDead

As per usual, boomers think their relatively normal life experiences are special, as are they.

I've worked kitchens. Was a cashier at a gas station on weekends and nights as well as working in the campus bookstore to float my undergrad degree. Worked two summers at a golf course.

But here's the difference - when a boomer worked through a summer and (maybe) the school year, they made enough to actually pay for their education. In my day, that work minimized loans and provided money to live. Kids now? The same words (minimize loans and provide money to live) but as a mere shadow of the meaning.

When I graduated, getting a job wasn't a steep hill to climb and starting a career wasn't a distant dream. Now? Forget it.

Yes, I recognize Gen Xers and some Millenials have contributed to the steep decline of the middle class; however, they are a symptom of the decline begun and entrenched by boomers to recalibrate our economy to hunger games, zero sum mentality where the social contract is non-existent in the face of making every dollar one can by any means necessary.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-31 11:07 AM | Reply

- When I graduated, getting a job wasn't a steep hill to climb and starting a career wasn't a distant dream. Now? Forget it.

"Now" is much more a function of your Gen than mine... but that blame game is still a stupid one.

The Elites have been the driving force in wage to living disparities since 1975... which is pre-Boomers having control of the economy, which has been in the hands of the Elites since well before then.

SO next we should be blaming the Greatest Gen in general for not controlling the Elites that have given us Planned Recessions and Top Down Economies since the mid '70's?

No, there's not one Gen to blame... unless of course you want to blame Boomers for scaring the living ---- out of Elites in the late 60's and early 70's when they realized that the People might just stand up and Protest.

Which led to pro-Corporate SC decisions in the late '70's and Elites funding Reagan in the '80's, and eventually the far right Tea Party-ish movements and Citizens United, which sealed the deal we have now; Money is Speech, and he who has the most money has the most speech.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-31 11:21 AM | Reply

Your attempts to obfuscate the issue seem like an intentional ignorance.

There have always been some division between the "elites" and the rest of the population. Pinning it on that constantly is lazy.

The inflection point occurred when the social contract was deemed invalid in the pursuit of wealth and power. THAT is on the boomers who exhibited that trait among elites and normies alike. Everything after has built on that basic collapse of societal responsibility and decency.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-31 11:43 AM | Reply

-- The inflection point occurred when the social contract was deemed invalid in the pursuit of wealth and power.

The economics of 1975 is on the Boomers?

Pull the other one!

Corporations/Billionaires everywhere appreciate you blaming their actions on entire Gens... particularly your Gen that, in your own formulation, is responsible for funding the rise Donald Trump.

Perhaps you'll get a promotion at the Lab.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-31 11:52 AM | Reply

I Got Mine.

What's your Problem?

Stepping on the hands of people coming up the ladder is an American Tradition.

What was Slavery, or Industrial Expansion?

Know Your Place.

Don't rise, Succumb.

Your Betters know Best.

And Trump rode that Energy to the Top of the heap.

Twice.

#45 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-12-31 11:58 AM | Reply

Your major shifts in thinking, management and exercise of power came during the boomer years.

That beloved stat of CEO to average worker earning? Relatively consistent through the 60s when it was the Silent Generation and tail end of the Greatest Generation running things. When things like pensions were the norm, loyalty was a two-way street and one salary could provide for a household.

But that ratio begins ticking up once the 30 and 40 something Boomers start moving into upper-level and executive management during the 70s and 80s. It only accelerates from there.

www.businessinsider.com

Now guess when cost cutting and price reduction by offshoring began...

Yup. In the 60s it began with larger firms but took off in earnest during the 70s and 80s with significant acceleration during the 90s and 2000s as jobs became less about hands manufacturing and production work and more about computers and tech. Also under...Boomers.

Who drove the breaking of our politics in the 90s with the "Contract with America" and the winner takes all political warfare model? Gingrich Republicans. Again, boomers.

Who oversaw the massive expansion of college costs along with simultaneous reductions of education spending? Boomers.

Name me a major shift in our societal approach to overall wellbeing and care for future generations that didn't happen under boomer leadership.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-31 12:05 PM | Reply

The economics of 1975 is on the Boomers?

You shorted it. On purpose, I suspect.

Changes began in the 70s but really began to move in the 80s.

When boomers were in their 30s and 40s and were moving into positions of leadership and power. They brought the breaking of the social contract with them because they thought they deserved more.

That's why they've left little to nothing for their children and grandchildren.

Corporations/Billionaires everywhere appreciate you blaming their actions on entire Gens...

Yawn.

particularly your Gen that, in your own formulation, is responsible for funding the rise Donald Trump.

Nope. Trump was primarily funded by boomers and Gen X. Even then, a small handful.

You're also intentionally ignoring things work on a continuum, not in discreet blocks of convenient facts and time.

Perhaps you'll get a promotion at the Lab.
#44 | Posted by Corky

Perhaps one day you won't be a pompous twat with zero critical thinking skills and a predilection for regurgitating what you read as your own original thoughts (BTW it's extremely easy to spot what you regurgitate vs what you think in your posts, like night and day...)

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-31 12:10 PM | Reply

"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."
per Snoofy posts

Just quoting the economic facts.

Other facts include that:

"Boomers end in '64-ish. Thiel and Musk are definitely Gen X. Like Kavanaugh. They're early Gen X."
also per Snoofy posts

- a pompous twat with zero critical thinking skills

OK, I'll give you that you have excellent projection skills.

- your own original thoughts

It's a well-accepted given around here that yours are, 'stirred, not shaken'.

Scapegoating other Gens than your own as if yours doesn't suck at least as badly... and letting the people who REALLY control the economy, who are not avg Americans of any Gen, is as noted well above... merely childish finger-pointing.

Also it's obfuscation for the real culprits, who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire... and they needed to pee.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-31 12:24 PM | Reply

"Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."
per Snoofy posts
Just quoting the economic facts.

Fully in line with my post.

That doesn't help your argument one bit.

"Boomers end in '64-ish. Thiel and Musk are definitely Gen X. Like Kavanaugh. They're early Gen X."
also per Snoofy posts

Also does nothing to advance your argument.

OK, I'll give you that you have excellent projection skills.

This entire post supports my assertion.

You quote facts from snoofy twice, even though it doesn't advance your argument, and then act like you've made a point...

Then you move on to babbling nonsense because you have nobody left to quote...

Check and check.

who are not avg Americans of any Gen, is as noted well above... merely childish finger-pointing.

As expected, you've got nothing. A burnt out has been clinging to stale, failed 60s mantras. 'It's always the man...man...'

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-31 12:33 PM | Reply

What I quoted directly refuted your assertions completely... perhaps it's your reading comprehension skills that need resuscitation. Not to mention your vocabulary and crude, rudimentary attempted insults, which would embarrass most 5 year olds.

- 'It's always the man...man...'

The moneyed and corporate elite appreciate your support. Keep it up, perhaps Thiel will notice you and put you on the Short List for AI transplants.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2025-12-31 12:45 PM | Reply


Indeed, but it hasn't always been the case that practically all the gains have gone to the top 20%. That started in 1975.
#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The reason for this is the financialization of the US economy, NY finally over took London as the financial capital of the world.

Capital earns more "productivity" than Labor.

Overtime Capital makes 5% and Labor just 2%...
This is well know, I just read this wonderful book by Thomas Piketty
www.amazon.com

Boomers now had fiat currency, credit cards, car loans, home loans, Prop13 all sorts of ways to take all the gains, and screw future generations.

#51 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-12-31 01:05 PM | Reply

What I quoted directly refuted your assertions completely...

Not even close, sport. Not even close.

Not to mention your vocabulary and crude, rudimentary attempted insults, which would embarrass most 5 year olds.

Pompous hilarity. Does your pinky stick out while typing?

The moneyed and corporate elite appreciate your support.

Hey idiot, they don't have my support. Pointing out the objectively true nature of the information in my posts isn't in any way supporting anyone.

If you had the critical thinking skills you think you have, you would know that.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2025-12-31 01:07 PM | Reply

"The economics of 1975 is on the Boomers?"

That's a fair point.
So let's explore it.
What, if anything, at any time, is on the Boomers?
Or is that just not how things work. Generations don't have any sort of accountability.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-31 02:55 PM | Reply

For example: Lots and lots of workers used to get Pensions.
In the 80s, pensions started going away and workers began getting 401(K)s.
That move saved companies money, but didn't really do much for the average worker.
It was a watershed moment for how Americans prepare for retirement.
Is that "on" any generation?

Another thing that changed around that time: Union membership. Republicans killed unions pretty good in the 80s. Is that on any generation, or is that just on Republicans?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-12-31 02:59 PM | Reply

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