OTOH, there are people who would be reacting the same way to politicize it even if they had taken a precision scalpel to cut waste without breaking up entire organizations. Cuz everyone has to be in their stupid tribes.

#1 | Posted by sentinel

That depends entirely on if that "precision" cut could be directly tied to worsening disease surveillance and outbreak potential, wouldn't it?

Trump and his Entire Movement are Stupid.

Total Failures in Imagination or planning.

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer

They know they're shielded from their own incompetence.

If Ebola did manage to get here and a sizeable outbreak occur, they wouldn't care. They'd be safe behind their security manned gates and in their luxury penthouses in high rise buildings locked to the general public or at the large, multi acre estates in isolated places like Hawaii or Montana or Colorado.

Hell, they'd probably cheer it as it culled people they view as little more than insects and drains on resources they think should be theirs.

Of course, we have.

You're not exactly ahead of the curve on that one.

You shouldn't spread misinformation while trying to correct what you're not correctly calling out as misinformation.

Ebola is extremely contagious with an infections dose of 1-10 virions and can be stable in bodily fluids on environmental surfaces for days.

It also doesn't have an "extremely" high mortality rate as mortality rate is highly dependent on strain and quality of palliative care and can range from as low as 25% to 90%. The deadliest virus known is rabies, which has a 99% mortality rate if not treated.

The primary driver of the difference in response would be people believing it's a "real" problem because they know what it is from pop culture and they think the definition of a pandemic is based on fatality rates. Even then, I'm not sure will matter until it because widespread enough for people to have it hit close to home. The current outbreak in Africa is still confined to Africa and there's already social media channels posting s*&^ like "RESIST" or "Don't take their NWO vaccine!" type nonsense.

Sorry, that post was to Sentinel.

You're more likely to catch HIV at a truck stop.

Complete and utter nonsense.

Do you have any idea what the containment and disinfection procedures are for dealing with Ebola? Why? Because like I said, the infectious dose is very low and it's stable in the environment for days. You could touch a contaminated door knob and then rub your eye and not even know you've infected yourself until symptoms start. You can be infected by droplet transmission if an infected individual is coughing in your near vicinity (no it's not airborne in the true definition).

There's a reason people dealing with patients or decontaminating spaces where a patient was held are dressed head to toe in disposable, water proof clothing like Tyvek suits/booties/hoods, heavy duty rubber work boots and gloves (probably latex/nitrile gloves underneath that that are taped/sealed to the wrists of the Tyvek), with sealed goggles to protect the eyes, face shields and respirators. When they step out of the space they're cleaning top to bottom with bleach and other disinfectants, they themselves are sprayed down with bleach and other disinfectants while the stand in a bath of disinfectant to fully sanitize the bottoms and sides of the boots.

Ebola is difficult and expensive to deal with, which is why the standard practice before pedo Musk and the Orange Chomo gutted USAID was to catch it as quickly as possible by constant monitoring and dealing with outbreaks before they spread to additional locations.

It could become a problem not because of ease of spread but because the ability to overwhelm official's abilities and resources to deal with it.

I doubled down on accurate information.

1-10 virions as an infectious dose is highly contagious.

Spread is pretty well understood, but full lifecycle, especially in the wild, is not.

If not controlled rapidly and properly, it could represent a bigger problem than COVID. That doesn't necessarily mean more dead, but economically, politically and socially the disruption could be much greater than COVID.

No large Ebola outbreaks have ever occurred in a developed country, and it's extremely unlikely to happen.

Ummmmm yeah, because it's not endemic in a developed country and the normal level of monitoring in the past meant we immediately knew if travelers from a specific region could potentially be infected.

Your confidence is unwarranted given the crumbling of public health in the US and our withdrawal from WHO.

There were a number of cases when people traveled from West Africa during the massive epidemic in 2014-2016, but they were contained almost immediately, preventing any widespread community transmission.

Because. There. Was. A. Rational. Level. Of. Monitoring.

You're applying old norms that no longer exist. Even the competency here has dropped massively thanks to the Orange Chomo.

There's no way it's going to be as widespread as an airborne disease.

Probably not, no, for multiple reasons. But it doesn't have to be as widespread to be a problem.

But hey, keep trying to score points on the internet. There are at least two trolls who are grateful to you for that.

#29 | Posted by sentinel

I couldn't care less about points. You came out swinging accusing another poster of posting misinformation while posting less than accurate information yourself on a topic you have no relevant qualifications to speak so confidently about.

Seriously, do you have any idea of how rigorous the efforts are for containment, decontamination and protection are for a virus like Ebola?

I interviewed for a job at a facility with a BSL IV level lab. Was told flat out that if I took the job I would be contractually obligated to have at least one project at BSL IV. So I asked questions about the responses/procedures for a suspected exposure and was given a tour of the facility.

Let's just say it's extremely rigorous.

For this, you're talking about a lab that's in a gated facility, inside an isolated security controlled building that required turning in cell phones and going through metal detectors for entry and then had three concentric inner rings with the lab facilities being the inner most. Each ring required badging in at locked doors, lab entry required showering/scrubbing (changing into scrubs) in and then showering out before leaving while wearing isolation suits connected to outside air sources for breathing while in the lab. When exiting, there was required simultaneous gas and shower decon of the isolation suits so you could then shower out and change back in to street clothes.

The engineering floor for air handling and decontamination and waste water handling/decontamination was incredible.

For a suspected exposure? There was (is? could have changed by now) a dedicated isolation ward within the inner most level of the facility where you would be isolated and treatment initiated while you waited for transport to the major regional medical center. There was a contract with said medical center where they would convert a wing of the ICU into an isolation ward for your arrival and treatment within 24 hours of notification of a suspected exposure. When they were ready, you would be loaded into a sealed pod with full life support (obviously...) so you could be safely loaded on to a gurney for ambulance transport to the medical center and then safely transferred into the now closed isolation wing where you would be treated and either survive or die.

But sure. It wouldn't at all be disruptive it ever got here and there's no worry anyway because you're more likely to catch HIV at a truck stop...

Why?