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Even as Donald Trump boosts coal over clean energy, solar power is hitting new milestones in the US and remains the leading source of new power.

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In the United States, solar energy is outpacing coal for the first time ever[image or embed]

" Mother Jones (@motherjones.com) 9:00 AM Jun 11, 2026

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When .will I be able to afford a solar powered car?

#1 | Posted by danni at 2026-06-11 10:47 AM | Reply

According the dumb fuck Secretary of Energy solar doesn't work in the winter when in fact it works better because of the reflected light off of the snow and the cooler temperatures.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2026-06-11 10:52 AM | Reply

Coal is probably the only black thing that the current Republican Party embraces or even likes.

#3 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2026-06-11 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When .will I be able to afford a solar powered car?

#1 | POSTED BY DANNI

I drive one now. You can too.

Step 1. Install solar panels on your roof.

Step 2. Buy an electric car.

Step 3. Charge your car at home.

Voila! You now have a solar powered car.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 10:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

It also requires natural gas back up and often doesn't provide power when demand is there.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-06-11 11:06 AM | Reply

"It also requires natural gas back up"

Or battery, or coal, or nuclear, or hydro, or geothermal...

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have invested in solar panels. They work great. Winter and summer. I am on a program called net zero. I zero out my energy costs once a year. Towards the end of summer. I do make more energy in the summer. It makes up for the energy I can't make in winter. I have an app that monitors my energy production so I can see what the best months for energy production are where I live.

I love my big black beautiful solar panels. They have saved me thousands of dollars already. The only thing I need now is a battery backup. Still waiting for the price to come down on that.

But my solar panels will probably outlast me.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 11:15 AM | Reply

It also requires natural gas back up and often doesn't provide power when demand is there.

#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Guess you have never heard of micro grids.

Daytime energy is cheap. It creates what's called a duck curve. It happens when all the gas generators have to fire up at sundown.

So energy produced at night is more expensive. The micro grids make energy all day store it and then sell it back to power companies at the more expensive rate at night.

Genius yes?

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 Nixon Flag: Doesn't know about earth's tilt and shorter daylight hours in winter.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2026-06-11 11:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

WV needs to switch.

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2026-06-11 11:28 AM | Reply

The biggest downside of rooftop solar is it complicates selling your home.

If you're not planning on moving, take the free money.

And if you don't think electricity prices are going to skyrocket under Trumpflation, you're probably morally opposed to solar energy and the concept of "conservation" in the first place.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The biggest downside of rooftop solar is it complicates selling your home.
If you're not planning on moving, take the free money.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Free money" Like all the government entitlement programs?

There is no free money in solar panels unless some company comes and installs your system for free. And it get's worse if you want to run while the grid is down. Needs batteries.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-06-11 11:38 AM | Reply

Needs batteries.

POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Solar energy is free. The panels do cost money to retrieve that free energy. Duh.

I have a small generator for those rare occasions when the power goes out. It's currently much cheaper and easier to maintain than a battery backup.

Where I live in California my power has been stable for years now. Haven't used the generator for at least 2 years now.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only thing I need now is a battery backup. Still waiting for the price to come down on that.

The emerging technologies for battery backups include using EV batteries after the car is taken off the road and sodium ion batteries that are far cheaper and last longer than Lion batteries.

#2 Nixon Flag: Doesn't know about earth's tilt and shorter daylight hours in winter.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2026-06-11 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag

Doesn't know about angling the solar panels for maximum efficiency.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2026-06-11 11:47 AM | Reply

"The biggest downside of rooftop solar is it complicates selling your home."

My solar panels have added equity to my home. It's worth more with solar panels. You are guaranteed cheep energy if you live here. It's a positive selling point. It's also why I am not moving anytime soon. I also like cheep energy!

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 11:48 AM | Reply

Yes, but transferring the contract takes many hours of back and forth and waiting on hold with Tesla. Ask me how I know!

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 11:51 AM | Reply

The panels do cost money to retrieve that free energy. Duh.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

So how much "free energy" do you need to retrieve prior to realizing a gain from said retrieval devices?

The simple question is what's your ROI?

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-06-11 12:02 PM | Reply

Re 16

Yeah. The system did come with a "lifetime guarantee " but I am hoping to not transfer any contracts if I sell. If I haven't paid them off by the time I sell my home I will just pay it off then. The solar panels will just be a part of the home. If the new owners wish a contract that up to them. That's their option. The only deal the new owners will HAVE to make then is with PG&E. Hopefully.

As I said I am not planning on selling. But you never know what the future might bring.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 12:06 PM | Reply

The simple question is what's your ROI?
#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Homeowners tend to break even after like six to eight years.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 12:11 PM | Reply

The simple question is what's your ROI?

#17 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Don't have the numbers right here. The return on investment was about 10-15% depending. The payback period of roughly 6 to 10 years, depending on my energy usage, local electricity rates, and home location. I am thinking it was ten years when I bought it.

But I will tell you my energy costs right now including the monthly cost of the panels is less than I was paying before I had the panels installed. And it only gets better as time goes on. And honestly you can get even much better deals now.

But like I said that all depends on your local cost for energy. Which is always going up and never down.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 12:13 PM | Reply

But like I said that all depends on your local cost for energy. Which is always going up and never down.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

People in California and Hawaii definitely have a case for solar panels - even with the upfront investment.

Where I'm at it makes no sense, as My bill rarely reaches over $200 a month.

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-06-11 12:27 PM | Reply

My bill rarely reaches over $200 a month.

Holy fuck! Mine is seldom over $50.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2026-06-11 12:31 PM | Reply

"My bill rarely reaches over $200 a month."

That's a reason to get solar, isn't it?
With your usage that low, there's more to sell back to the grid.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 12:47 PM | Reply

Re 21

So you have $200 a month to work with.

Take that $200 monthly charge that you HAVE to pay anyway and use it to pay for a loan for some solar panels. Get just enough that will drop your monthly energy cost to zero. ( sorry YOU do the math) And use that $200 a month to pay off the loan. And when the panels are paid off you will actually make a $200 (plus) profit every month forever after. (Depending on the life of the panels of course)

Yer welcome.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 12:55 PM | Reply

Re 24

Of course I should not have to say that you will make much more profit if you can afford to buy the panels outright or get some kind of deal from your state government.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2026-06-11 12:58 PM | Reply

We couldve done this decades ago if it weren't for republicans.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-06-11 12:58 PM | Reply

There is no free money in solar panels unless some company comes and installs your system for free. And it get's worse if you want to run while the grid is down. Needs batteries.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Once you have solar and batteries you have freedom from oil companies.

Republicans hate that because they are oil puppets.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-06-11 12:59 PM | Reply

But think about the birds!! Don't they burst into flames when they fly above a solar panel (or some other equally stupid thing like that?)

#28 | Posted by Sezu at 2026-06-11 01:08 PM | Reply

"There is no free money in solar panels"

Do the math.
System costs $15K.
System produces $2K electricity per year.
After 7.5 years you are getting a free $2K a year.

And if you think power rates won't go up in 7.5 years, the best explanation for that is a complete societal collapse and no grid to buy power from. At which point, you'll really want those solar panels to have any electricity at all. And as a bonus, you'll get to play with your guns as you defend your home from the roving gangs of solar panel thieves!

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, yeah, does sound impressive until you realize why/the reality: Between 2010 and 2025, over 500 coal-fired power plants were shut down in the United States. The total number of operational coal plants dropped from 518 to just under 200 units. Difference is that those coal fired plants were capable of carrying the base load which solar and wind cannot.

FYI:
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org wiki Base_load
The base load [2] (also baseload) is the minimum level of demand on an electrical grid over a span of time, for example, one week.

Further Infio concerning, can wind and solar carry the base load
AI Overview Yes, but not on their own. Because wind and solar are intermittent"producing power only when the sun shines or the wind blows"they require backup and storage to reliably meet the continuous, 24/7 electricity demands historically provided by fossil fuels or nuclear energy

#30 | Posted by MSgt at 2026-06-11 01:21 PM | Reply

MSgt. Everyone knows coal is on the way out and renewables are on the way in.

Despite the undeniable, decades-long market forces at work here, Trump will absolutely try to manipulate the market and bring shuttered coal plants back online, with emissions waivers to boot.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 01:25 PM | Reply

"There is no free money in solar panels"

I think you're confusing "free" with "eventually pays for itself".

It's like triple-paned windows for new homeowners in their forever home: the cost will be more than made up in lower energy bills over time.

Not free, but in the long equation ... better than free.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2026-06-11 01:28 PM | Reply

I think you're confusing "free" with "eventually pays for itself".

It's like triple-paned windows for new homeowners in their forever home: the cost will be more than made up in lower energy bills over time.

Not free, but in the long equation ... better than free.

#32 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2026-06-11 01:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

My electric bill in the winter hovers around $100-120 a month. The summer is usually $150-160. In extreme heat or cold it has broke $200 a month. Without turning a calculator on. I'm guessing I'd be around 13-15 years before I realize a gain on panels that will be slowing considerably I. Another 10 years. It does t make sense to me. The only real plus for us is to have back up in awe of an outage and that's a lot more money. And I have a back up Generac for that.

#33 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-06-11 01:42 PM | Reply

It does t make sense to me.

#33 | Posted by lfthndthrds

That belongs on your tombstone.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-06-11 01:44 PM | Reply

#14 Nixon

FLAG: Ignored fewer hours of daylight in winter
FLAG: Doesn't know that cloud cover is higher in winter
FLAG: Doesn't know that roof mounted solar is almost always at a fixed angle
FLAG: Changing angle won't make up for light having to travel through more atmosphere
FLAG: Shot his mouth off without thinking

#35 | Posted by visitor_ at 2026-06-11 01:58 PM | Reply

Trumpanzee badmouths wind killing birds... as he munches down a bucket of KFC's deep fried dead birds in a box 18 - piece combo...

sigh... republicl0wns are such goofs

#36 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2026-06-11 02:06 PM | Reply

"Ignored fewer hours of daylight in winter"
vs.
"My electric bill in the winter hovers around $100-120 a month. The summer is usually $150-160."

Hmmm.
Looks like bills are lower when there's less sunlight.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 02:07 PM | Reply

Difference is that those coal fired plants were capable of carrying the base load which solar and wind cannot.

for now

carbon-based energy went through lots and lots of changes too... ups and downs... safe/deadly... people still freezing or suffocating using it... blah blah blah has had over two centuries to get their chit together... It is as safe now as it's ever been... still the planet is covered with soot and smog... nnnnkay?

#38 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2026-06-11 02:15 PM | Reply

Hmmm.
Looks like bills are lower when there's less sunlight.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag

Looks like mild winters in the Gulf South produce cheaper bills vs summertime and central AC.

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-06-11 02:20 PM | Reply

FLAG: Ignored fewer hours of daylight in winter
FLAG: Doesn't know that cloud cover is higher in winter
FLAG: Doesn't know that roof mounted solar is almost always at a fixed angle
FLAG: Changing angle won't make up for light having to travel through more atmosphere
FLAG: Shot his mouth off without thinking

#35 | Posted by visitor_

Flag: Has no idea how solar works and is just spouting BS.

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2026-06-11 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Looks like mild winters in the Gulf South produce cheaper bills vs summertime and central AC.

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Thanks to republicans calling climate change a hoax for decades, those "mild winters" are the new normal.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-06-11 02:39 PM | Reply

I've put a cool mil on ketchup futures.

#42 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-06-11 02:42 PM | Reply

Solar + battery = pissed off MAGAtards.

#43 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-06-11 02:45 PM | Reply

Thanks to republicans calling climate change a hoax for decades, those "mild winters" are the new normal.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-06-11 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

The winters were mild down here before there was ever such thing as a Republican.

#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2026-06-11 04:34 PM | Reply

The winters were mild down here before there was ever such thing as a Republican.

#44 | Posted by lfthndthrds

And now thanks to republicans, they're milder. And summers are hotter. And your droughts are worse. And your 100 year storms arrive every few years. And your food is more toxic. And your air is more polluted. And the rich have all the power and money while the working class suffers.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2026-06-11 04:56 PM | Reply

The rich having all the power and money while the working class suffers is a good thing. California has the fourth largest economy.

#46 | Posted by visitor_ at 2026-06-11 05:02 PM | Reply

The rich having all the power and money while the working class suffers is a good thing.
#46 | Posted by visitor_

It's the way of the world, my working class brother.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-06-11 05:22 PM | Reply

The working world was just a theory in your Econ for Marxists 101 class.

#48 | Posted by visitor_ at 2026-06-11 05:31 PM | Reply

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