Wednesday, January 08, 2025

Pacific Palisades on Fire

From the mountains to the coast, huge swaths of smoke and flames rose from the region as fire crews battled the wind-driven blaze. Evacuation orders are in place for approximately 30,000 residents and more than 10,000 homes are threatened, according to the Los Angeles Fire Department.

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Watching live news coverage of the Pacific Palisades fire and Steve Guttenburg appears out of the smoke to provide a PSA.

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-- Vintage Virgo (@vintagevirgo.bsky.social) January 7, 2025 at 4:22 PM

Comments

That really turns Redial on. He has a question for you.

#1 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-07 09:12 PM

Frogs and ---- coming soon.

#2 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-01-07 10:58 PM

Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 12:50 AM

You seem not to understand who lives in Pacific Palisades.

Here's a hint.

They are the billionaires.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 01:30 AM

Biden's fault. He's had 4 years to get them some rakes.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 01:35 AM

We didn't listen!

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 02:42 AM

#3 Not in the areas where they are letting houses burn without any fire protection. Those are only millionaires.

#7 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:24 AM

Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.

#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You mean the people you voted for to control America for the foreseeable future?

Yeah. GFY.

Too late to bitch now.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:11 AM

More billionaires backed Biden than Trump, in both elections.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-01-08 09:17 AM

More billionaires contributed more money to Kamala. There isn't a party that doesn't answer to the billionaire class. Besides it's Cali, not a lot Trump love there.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 09:21 AM

-Too late to bitch now.

No it's not. It's never too late to bitch about your situation.

read the posts on this place.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 09:23 AM

Water wasn't working in the fire hydrants, a perfect metaphor for Gavin Newsom's California.

It really feels like its all for show.

#12 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:24 AM


Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.
#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

I realize you might not know much about CA, but Pacific Palisades is the billionaire class.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:25 AM

what's the significance of the net worth of the residents in this fire?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 09:26 AM

Apartheid Clyde bought twitter for $44 billion to get the orange pedo elected.

#15 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 09:26 AM


Biden's fault. He's had 4 years to get them some rakes.
#5 | POSTED BY REDIAL

How about water in the fire hydrants? Too much to ask for a government taking ~10% sales tax, and probably 12% State income tax?

Incredible failure here.

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:27 AM

Besides it's Cali, not a lot Trump love there.

#10 | POSTED BY VISITOR

Cali is a city in Columbia.

And if you think we don't have Trumpers in California it's only because you are an idiot or have never been to California. (Or both.)

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:27 AM

No it's not. It's never too late to bitch about your situation.
read the posts on this place.
#11 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I know right? Place wouldn't exist if we couldn't bitch, but we can only bitch about certain things.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:28 AM

Cali is a city in Columbia.
~ DonnerBot

You really need to get out more.

Did you know people cal SFO - The City!

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:30 AM

Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.

#3 | Posted by visitor_

So what made y'all turn? 2008 and all its misery was described as an "investment opportunity" by the likes of scum like you.

Now, all of a sudden, you're against that. Why? Could it be because your preferred policies finally caught up to you and you can't get a few crumbs from the game anymore? So now you want to take your ball and go home?

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 09:32 AM

It really feels like its all for show.

#12 | Posted by oneironaut

Much like your posting history...

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 09:33 AM

"No it's not. It's never too late to bitch about your situation."

If you voted yourself into that situation then you got what you deserved. Grin and bear it.

I was speaking specifically to Trumpers who voted for an Oligarchy in America.

They have no right to bitch about the billionaires now.

And yes. The rest of us ... we be bitchin for the next four years.

In spite of maggats telling us "Trump won!" so sit down and STFU.

Yeah. You are so right there ... THAT ain't happening.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:34 AM

Just when you couldn't imagine a more perfect metaphor California says "hold my beer"

COUNTLESS reports of mass fire coverage cancellations by insurance companies just WEEKS before the Los Angeles fires

California government given their mismanagement of the insurance problems in the state and explaining that fire coverage for homes was just cancelled after people contributed for DECADES

Per @RealJamesWoods, said his neighborhood had their coverage mass cancelled recently.

Wow

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:37 AM

we be bitchin for the next four years.

If you're from Cali and voted Democrat, you deserve your home to be burnt to the ground.

Is that what you're saying?

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:38 AM

Did you know people cal SFO - The City!
#19 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Did you know some people are idiots?

"SFO" is the call sign of the airport.

San Francisco is called The City by the Bay.

Trumpy loves the uneducated.

Trumpy loves you.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:38 AM

It's Cali, it's always been Cali and it will always be Cali. But more to the point, if you voted for Kamala, supported the billionaire class's candidate. You are welcome for the education.

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 09:40 AM

"If you're from Cali and voted Democrat, you deserve your home to be burnt to the ground."

I am not from Columbia and also I rake my yard so no worries here.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:41 AM

It's Cali, it's always been Cali and it will always be Cali.

You are a hateful idiot always have been an hateful idiot and will apparently always be a hateful idiot.

More to the point. I voted for a candidate who would advance fair and predictable policies that support the rule of law, stability, and a sound economy and good business environment for everyone including the millionaires and billionaires.

Your four year education is on its way. Though I doubt you will learn a thing from it.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:46 AM

what's the significance of the net worth of the residents in this fire?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 09:26 AM | Reply

Good luck getting an answer from oneironut. He drops a deuce in a thread and then moves on.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 10:00 AM

"They have no right to bitch about the billionaires now.

And yes. The rest of us ... we be bitchin for the next four years."

1. you've (and the "rest of us") never stopped complaining
2. anybody can bitch about billionaires
3. billionaires give money to everyone
4. you can pretend they don't
5. anybody can bitch about it anytime

Most of you all here will bitch every day until you're dead.

you understand that, right?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:06 AM

-Good luck getting an answer from oneironut

Clown actually mentioned the billionaires who live in this fire

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:07 AM

Is firebug Darrell Issa responsible for this?

#32 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 10:07 AM

I realize you might not know much about CA, but Pacific Palisades is the billionaire class.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:25 AM | Reply

I really do not understand the point he is attempting to make here.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 10:08 AM

Since so many billionaires live in California, I would think those billionaires have more impact on state politics there than they do in any other state.

Has anybody from California who's ran for federal office ever won without billionaire 'friends' there?

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:10 AM

Has anybody from California who's ran for federal office ever won without billionaire 'friends' there?

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:10 AM | Reply

Even the immensely popular Arnold Schwarzenegger took billionaire money. (he was popular when he ran) It's impossible to win a major election without that kind of dough now.

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 10:12 AM

Wow

#23 | Posted by oneironaut

LOL righties are suddenly shocked by the effects of a profit at all costs mentality.

Y'all are like children. Short bus children.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 10:13 AM

-It's impossible to win a major election without that kind of dough now.

exactly

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:30 AM

Colombia.

#38 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-01-08 12:47 PM

LOL righties are suddenly shocked by the effects of a profit at all costs mentality.
Y'all are like children. Short bus children.
#36 | Posted by jpw

You don't even understand the issue.

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 01:32 PM

I really do not understand the point he is attempting to make here.
#33 | Posted by Alexandrite

Figures you can't keep a thought in that pea brain.

Posters are claiming billionaires were going to move in like after Hawaiian fire.

Keep up.

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 01:33 PM

what's the significance of the net worth of the residents in this fire?
#14 | Posted by eberly

You too?
It's even in the ------- post.
I swear the DR posters are lagging

Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.
#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 01:35 PM

An update...

California wildfires live updates: At least 2 dead and over 1,000 structures destroyed in L.A. blazes
www.nbcnews.com

... The Palisades, Eaton and Hurst fires have forced the evacuations of over 80,000 people as powerful winds are fueling the deadly wildfires.

The Palisades Fire has already burned through more than 5,000 acres and destroyed over 1,000 structures, while the Eaton Fire has burned 2,227 acres and the Hurst Fire has affected 500 acres.

The fires were sparked by a combination of dry conditions and powerful winds and are having a huge effect far beyond the danger zones, with almost 300,000 energy customers in the dark this morning, according to PowerOutage.com. ...



#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 01:40 PM

An update...

That's quite a fire. Dry and windy is never good.

#43 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 01:48 PM

@#43

Especially these winds, blowing down the mountains into the LA area.

They are causing the fire to spread so quickly, the firefighters are having a difficult time getting out in front of the spread to slow the forward movement of the fire.

#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 02:33 PM

getting out in front of the spread to slow the forward movement of the fire.

That's mostly a risky and futile effort anyway. At best they might be able protect a few VIP homes, but they would have to be very VIP. Not enough water supply to go around.

#45 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 02:39 PM

"It's Cali"

It has never been "Cali" you sound like an idiot transplant or a non-resident for saying that.

Signed, a multi-generational Californian.

#46 | Posted by dibblda at 2025-01-08 02:44 PM

Both of the rappers LL Cool J and the Notorious B.I.G. referred to California as Cali. Just sayin

#47 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 03:07 PM

41

fair enough. This place is so rife with class warfare I wasn't sure it wasn't something else.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 03:12 PM

@#45 ... That's mostly a risky and futile effort anyway. ...

In the current situation in LA, yes.

But if the fire were moving more slowly, then some of the dry vegetation could be removed to reduce the fuel available. That's done more in forest areas than residential areas, though.


#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 03:20 PM

Next up, flood season!

#50 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-08 03:22 PM

That's done more in forest areas than residential areas, though.

Yes. Removing fuel is usually done by burning it. Tough call picking a neighbourhood to burn down on purpose to protect the next one.

Even then it doesn't usually make much difference. Rain or the wind dying down will make a difference. The rest is just making it look like you are trying.

#51 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 03:25 PM

You don't even understand the issue.

#39 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Enough to know it's not CA specific. Insurance cos have been dropping coverage nationally for various disaster types.

You're attempt to spin this as a Newsom issue only confirms you should be named oneironshortbus, short bus.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 03:33 PM


Yes. Removing fuel is usually done by burning it. Tough call picking a neighbourhood to burn down on purpose to protect the next one.

Where did the fire start DialAgain? Homelessness, there's all sorts of videos of homeless people in LA lighting fires to keep warm. It started in the hills behind Palisades, in a trail littered with homeless people.

Where did the $24Billion for homeless go? No one know, and no one even brings up there NO ------- WATER, or Firefighters.

California is facing cascading failuresd.

Can you imagine if this Palm Beach Florida and there was no water in their hydrants?

Can you picture what the Lumpers and the media would be doing to DeSantis right now?

#53 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 03:33 PM


Next up, flood season!

#50 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

This is what happens when you teardown dam dams

#54 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 03:34 PM

Dry and windy is never good.

#43 | POSTED BY REDIAL

That's what oneironshortbus' wife says.

Then she goes to her "trainer" and she's much happier.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 03:36 PM

California is facing cascading failuresd.

Perhaps you should start pretending to live somewhere else instead of hyperventilating.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 03:38 PM

Trifecta. The hydrants are out of water. The mayor is in Africa. Kamala is nowhere to be found.

#57 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:42 PM

"Both of the rappers LL Cool J and the Notorious B.I.G. referred to California as Cali. Just sayin"

Huh, OK. Outside of those two and recent transplants, I have never heard a local say "Cali". Maybe it sounds better when rapping.

#58 | Posted by dibblda at 2025-01-08 03:44 PM

Trifecta. The hydrants are out of water. The mayor is in Africa. Kamala is nowhere to be found.

#57 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:42 PM | Reply

You--------------- to natural disasters in blue states, then pretend to be Christian. It's sickening.

#59 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 03:47 PM

Trifecta. The hydrants are out of water. The mayor is in Africa. Kamala is nowhere to be found.

Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:42 PM | Reply

A trifecta of stupid by Gracie. Must be on a day that ends in a Y

#60 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 03:49 PM

LL Cool J and the Notorious B.I.G.

Two rappers from the 90's. Can you find an older reference for us please?

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 03:49 PM

I am not a DR liberal rejoicing in the CJ during hurricane season in Florida. You people are what wayback machine wet dreams look like. Hope you had a merry Christmas! Bless your heart.

#62 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:52 PM

seriously...there is no water and the mayor is out of the country?

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 03:53 PM

What are the odds TWO leftwing nuts have NAT GEO centerfolds for reference? Weird.

#64 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:54 PM

Vice President Harris' neighborhood ordered to evacuate as wildfires bear down on Los Angeles
www.scrippsnews.com

... Vice President Kamala Harris' neighborhood of Brentwood in Los Angeles was ordered to evacuate Tuesday night as wildfires continue to blaze in the area, her spokesperson said.

"Last night, the Vice President's neighborhood in Los Angeles was put under an evacuation order. No one was in her home at the time," Ernie Apreza said in a statement. "She and the Second Gentleman are praying for the safety of their fellow Californians, the heroic first responderss, and Secret Service personnel." ...

Vice President Harris said she and President Biden are committed to ensuring that nobody in the area has to respond to this disaster alone and have mobilized federal resources to help fight the blazes.

"As a proud daughter of California, I know the damage that wildfires have on our neighbors and communities," Harris said in a statement. "I also know that the impact is often felt long after the fires is contained. As we respond and as Californians recover, I will ensure that our administration is in constant contact with state and local officials." ...


#65 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 03:55 PM

I am not a DR liberal rejoicing in the CJ during hurricane season in Florida.

Name them and produce their posts. If they exist they're as bad as you are.

Bless your heart.

Phony.

#66 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 03:55 PM

California Insurer Canceled Policies Months Before Los Angeles Wildfires
www.newsweek.com

... State Farm, one of the biggest insurers in California, canceled hundreds of homeowners' policies last summer in Pacific Palisades -- the same area which is now being ravaged by a devastating wildfire. ...

#67 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 03:57 PM

- expect a land grab by the billionaire class.

#3 | Posted by visitor_

The Billionaire Class just elected billionaire Donald Trump and his Richest Fascist in the World Money Man Musk to run their New Corporate Government with the support of complete morons like this one.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 04:01 PM

"Both of the rappers LL Cool J and the Notorious B.I.G. referred to California as Cali. Just sayin"

The comments was, no Californian refers to California as "Cali".

Which is correct. We don't.

While LL Cool J and Biggie have great song which referred to California by the word Cali, they're both New York artists.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:06 PM

It's Cali, it's always been Cali and it will always be Cali. .
#26 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Tell us you're not a Californian without telling us you're not a Californian.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:08 PM

Clown actually mentioned the billionaires who live in this fire
#31 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're so close to figuring out the answer to your question.

If only there was a post I was referencing when I was responding.

How much hand holding do you need?

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:12 PM

One exception he found: Lester Berrey's 1947 "American Thesaurus of Slang" includes several nicknames for California, including "Eureka State," "Golden Poppy State," "Land of Perpetual Sunshine" and, yes, "Cali." So, the term "Cali" has been around for nearly a century (at the very least).Jun 1, 2022

#72 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 04:16 PM

Mostly used by out of staters.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:18 PM

"'Cali Dreaming" by the Mammas and the Pappas?"

"'Cali" by Joni Mitchell?

I don't think so!

www.youtube.com

That was the California theme song for YEARS after it was recorded. And there's a reason for that, just listen.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 04:18 PM

- How much hand holding do you need?

You flirt!

I warn you though, he's not even the least bit twink-ish. Jeffy told me so I know it's true.

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 04:28 PM

So many out of staters so sure what locals call this state.

Also. I'm not sure what it was called in the 70s.

Perhaps it was commonly used back then.

Slang changes.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:29 PM

I like flirting with Eberly.

He likes a little extra tenderness.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:29 PM

@#74 ... "'Cali Dreaming" by the Mammas and the Pappas?" ...

Is that the same song as California Dreamin' by the Mamas and the Papas?"

#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 04:34 PM

- Slang changes.

I learned some new slang today, and already used it, too.

drudge.com

- not sure what it was called in the 70s.

It was California then, before then, and after then in the 80's when I lived near Stanford and frequented San Francisco.

Where I was one day walking down Castro Street near Market and was pinched on the butt by a Black Leather, Harley-looking silver chain and make-up wearing guy.

For po' straight boy from Texas at the time it was a shocker... but we both laughed and walked on.

But I was going to Haight and Ashbury to see then decade old hippy places. They of course, weren't what they used to be, as many were forced to work for corporations in the new Reagan Era.

What Joni said in 1970 in the song linked above is true about California and America as EARLY as that date:

[Verse 1]
Sitting in a park in Paris, France
Reading the news and it sure looks bad
They won't give peace a chance
That was just a dream some of us had

After that in 2000 it was, "Californication". Which was apt.

What struck me about CA when I was there was the great beauty of the landscapes and shores.

Also that for most practial purposes the state with the very best weather (until recently) was also 'already taken', even back then.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 04:53 PM

-I like flirting with Eberly.

I being flirted with.

And sexually harassed.......

#80 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 05:20 PM

-I like flirting with Eberly.

So does jeffy. They were in the jewelry store together just yesterday. Don't know why. Could be an Anniversary?

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 05:24 PM

Diamond encrusted--------?

#82 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 05:33 PM

CA is lacking fire fighters now ...

In testimony to congress, Adam Carolla applied to be an LA firefighter, and was told he had to wait 7 years because he wasn't black, hispanic, or female.

Cascading failures continue.
www.pbs.org

It would be comical if it wasn't so criminal.

#83 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 05:39 PM

LA County firefighters send extra equipment to first responders in Ukraine as war drags on
abc7.com

Incredible, untucking believable.

#84 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 05:43 PM

I notice none of the morons are actually addressing the failures I am pointing out.

You guys got your little circle jerk going here, so just put your heads in the sand and save us the trouble, delete your accounts.

#85 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 05:45 PM

Or vice-versa.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 05:48 PM

IAMRUNT, your child-raping hero shipped ventilators to Russia while thousands of Americans were choking out every day.

#87 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 05:50 PM

@#84

An article from 2022.

#88 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 05:59 PM

An article from 2022.

An improvement... the other one was older that that.

#89 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 06:08 PM

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#90 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#91 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#92 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#93 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#94 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM

The repugs have unleashed climate change on the planet and this is the result.

#95 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 06:17 PM

Cali governor Newsome in 2021 said fire preparedness would improve under Biden.

#96 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 07:19 PM

Trump is blaming California Governor Gavin Newscum (as he calls him) for the fire disaster in Los Angeles, claiming that the Governor is responsible for there being low water pressure in the city's fire hydrants. Once again Trump went off on a rant about how Newsom has turned-off a 'giant faucet' preventing water flowing through the state. He also declared that once he's back in the White House, he'll order that that 'faucet' be turned back on and California's water problems will be solved. What Trump failed to mention is that since July, the start of the current rain reporting season, L.A. County has gotten 0.16 inches of rain, when normally by this date, the average rainfall has been 4.56 inches.

OCU

#97 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 07:29 PM

Listen here you mouth-breathing retarded MAGAT fucks - this was a generational wind event.
100 mph gusts. You cannot prepare for something of this magnitude.
So go fuck yourselves.

#98 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-08 07:30 PM

@#90 ... Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live. ...

OK,

Now your bot about the red-controlled states here in the US.

(OK, I have to ask ... does your alias even read what it posts? Or are the comments just a copy 'n' paste from ChatBot?)


#99 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 07:31 PM

#96 | Posted by visitor_

He was right, if only because Biden wouldn't have (and didn't) do any of the following that Trump did during his presidency:

Threatened to withhold federal funding: Trump repeatedly threatened to cut off federal aid to California for wildfire management and recovery efforts. In January 2019, he tweeted that he ordered FEMA to stop sending money to California "unless they get their act together."

Promoted misinformation: Trump consistently blamed California's wildfires on poor forest management while downplaying or denying the role of climate change. He suggested impractical solutions like raking forest floors, which experts criticized as reflecting a lack of understanding of wildfire science.

Politicized natural disasters: Trump used wildfire crises to attack California's Democratic leadership, particularly Governor Gavin Newsom, instead of focusing on collaborative solutions, which he continues to do this very day. This politicization distracted, and continues to distract, from effective wildfire preparedness efforts.

Delayed emergency responses: In 2020, Trump initially refused to grant California an emergency declaration to respond to deadly wildfires, taking days to publicly address the situation before eventually approving the declaration.

Despite these improvements, there are still fires. But that's California and the west in general. Natural disasters like wildfires require multi-layered risk mitigation strategies, acknowledging that while complete prevention isn't always possible, strategic preparedness can substantially minimize potential destruction.

Undermined climate action: By consistently denying the link between climate change and worsening wildfires, Trump hindered efforts to address root causes of increased fire risk in California.

By not actively opposing California's efforts and by supporting climate action, the Biden administration has allowed the state to make progress in its wildfire preparedness initiatives.

Are you unable to recognize that the current wildfires would have been worse without Governor Newsom's efforts and President Biden's support, which stands in stark contrast to Trump's approach?

#100 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 07:36 PM


@#96 ... governor Newsome in 2021 said fire preparedness would improve under Biden. ...

Is this current situation so dire that the improvements made have been overwhelmed?

It's not 'traditional' wildfire season - so why have the California fires spread so quickly?
news.sky.com

... What caused the California wildfires?

There are currently three wildfires torching southern California. The causes of all three are still being investigated.

The majority (85%) of all forest fires across the United States are started by humans, either deliberately or accidentally, according to the US Forest Service.

But there is a difference between what ignites a wildfire and what allows it to spread.

However these fires were sparked, other factors have fuelled them, making them spread quickly and leaving people less time to prepare or flee.

The main culprit so far is the Santa Ana winds. ...

What are Santa Ana winds?

So-called Santa Ana winds are extreme, dry winds that are common in LA in colder winter months.

The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection warned strong Santa Ana winds and low humidity are whipping up "extreme wildfire risks".

Winds have already topped 60mph and could reach 100mph in mountains and foothills - including in areas that have barely had any rain for months.

It has been too windy to launch firefighting aircraft, further hampering efforts to tackle the blazes.

These north-easterly winds blow from the interior of Southern California towards the coast, picking up speed as they squeeze through mountain ranges that border the urban area around the coast.

They blow in the opposite direction to the normal onshore flow that carries moist air from the Pacific Ocean into the area. ...



imo, a good article, worth a read if you are interested.


#101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 07:39 PM

These aren't even close to the normal Santa Ana winds. Last time we had a wind event like this was 2011.

#102 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-08 07:52 PM

11 months ago Cali had record rain falls and snow melt but they let it flow into the ocean. Most of Cali is a desert and instead of building more reservoirs they've been tearing down dams and reducing capacity.

#103 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:06 PM

Trump Resisted Sending Aid After California Wildfires

www.nytimes.com

That's typical for the orange diaper sniper.

#104 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 08:08 PM

@#103 ... 11 months ago Cali had record rain falls and snow melt but they let it flow into the ocean. ...

... and the point of your alias' comment is?


That California should build infrastructure to capture rare water events?


What's yer point?

#105 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 08:16 PM

@#103 ... they've been tearing down dams and reducing capacity. ...

Have the dams taken down affected the Los Angeles area?

#106 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 08:19 PM

Gasligher: ... and the point of your alias' comment is? That California should build infrastructure to capture rare water events?

Yes, obviously.

Gaslighter: Have the dams taken down affected the Los Angeles area?

Obviously.

#107 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:34 PM

#107

What's so obvious about it? Be specific.

#108 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 08:36 PM

What's so obvious about it? Be specific.

Obviously dams on the Klamath River in far northern CA and Idaho affect LA. It's only six hundred miles away.

#109 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 08:43 PM

When was the last time a new water reservoir was built in Cali? The 70's?

What kind of preventative forest management measures do they take to preemptively mitigate the size of a fire? Things like brush clearing, controlled burns in select areas to clear out natural fuel and act as a roadblock for a raging fire? Cutting down old trees which are more prone to proved fuel?

Are they doing any of these things?

#110 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 08:47 PM

You make a convincing case for mismanagement and inadequate infrastructure.

#111 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:52 PM

#111 is for gaslighter and redial.

#112 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:55 PM

11 months ago Cali had record rain falls and snow melt but they let it flow into the ocean. Most of Cali is a desert and instead of building more reservoirs they've been tearing down dams and reducing capacity.

#103 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:06 PM

The link below takes you to a page that shows the current (updated daily) water supply levels in all of the major reservoirs in California. If you look you will see that most of them are at or above their historical averages for this date.

Sorry, California has been doing a relatively good job of managing their water supplies when you consider the number of people who live here and the amount of agriculture here in the state.

cdec.water.ca.gov

Disclaimer: We live in Southern California and have for the last 44+ years.

OCU

#113 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 08:56 PM

Are you aware that firefighters are having difficulty getting access to water?

#114 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 09:04 PM

" Sorry, California has been doing a relatively good job of managing their water supplies when you consider the number of people who live here and the amount of agriculture here in the state"

Which causes me to circle back to one of my questions:

When was the last time Cali built a new reservoir?

I'll provide the answer after a quick search ...

#115 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:04 PM

When was the last time a new water reservoir was built in Cali? The 70's?

Those are expensive. Why go to all the cost and trouble when you can just open Lewzer's giant faucet and bring the Columbia River to LA?

Resolving the water crisis in California is going to be the greatest single accomplishment in Lewzer's first month in office. I might even drive down to watch the faucet turning events.

#116 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 09:05 PM

Answer: The last major reservoir built in California was New Melones Lake in 1979:

#117 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:05 PM

In 1979 the Cali population was a little over 23 million. In 2024 the population was 34.4 million.

Part of the problem is obvious. More reservoirs are needed. Population has increased 67.4% since the last reservoir was built.

Yet every year snow melt and rain just flows into the Pacific.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:09 PM

And keep in mind that during the first Trump presidency he continuously harped on California and it's leaders over their 'mismanagement' of the state's forestland. What Trump and most people fail to acknowledge is that the state has control over very little acreage. In fact, Sacramento only has direct control of 2% of the state. 50% is privately owned and 48% is under the control and management of the federal government. So if you want to blame Newsom or the Democratic controlled legislature, just keep in mind that 98% of the state is outside their control.

OCU

#119 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 09:09 PM

#118

Now do almonds.

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:10 PM

@#1118 ... More reservoirs are needed. ...

But that would be government spending.

Mr Musk's DOGE would not approve.

#121 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 09:10 PM

The last major reservoir built in California was New Melones Lake in 1979

How many have been built since then in any state? And again, why not just open the giant Lewzer faucet?

#122 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 09:12 PM

And 85% of the time, per link provided by LAMPY, the cause of the fires is human-based, either through arson or incompetentance (i.e., utility companies).

"Buh buh buh...muh Gavun!"

#123 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:13 PM

" But that would be government spending.

Mr Musk's DOGE would not approve.

#121 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2025-01-08 09:10 PM | FLAG: "

Maybe use the funds from the high speed rail boondoggle that never happened. I know, I know. Crazy talk!

#124 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:13 PM

@#118 ... Part of the problem is obvious. ...

Yup.

The apparent false equivalence of the long-term problems of northern California farmers with the short-term problem of the Los Angeles area.


#125 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 09:13 PM

" The last major reservoir built in California was New Melones Lake in 1979
"-
How many have been built since then in any state? And again, why not just open the giant Lewzer faucet?

#122 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2025-01-08 09:12 PM | FLAG: "

Fair question. So, I looked up the first dry arid state that popped into my head - Texas. And did a quick search

Answer: The most recent major reservoir built in Texas is Bois d'Arc Lake, which was completed in 2021:

#126 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:18 PM

Crazy talk!
#124 | Posted by BellRinger

Indeed. Nice self own.

#127 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:19 PM

Why would the Federal government be responsible for building resevoir?

#128 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 09:20 PM

#126

How much of Texas is non-federal?

#129 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:20 PM

the cause of the fires is human-based, either through arson or incompetentance

The source if ignition really doesn't matter. The conditions that accelerate the fire do. Would this fire be any different if it was started by lightning or Oprah's Cybertruck?

#130 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 09:20 PM

Why would the Federal government be responsible for building resevoir?
#128 | Posted by visitor_

It's their land. LOL

#131 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:20 PM

Would this fire be any different if it was started by lightning or Oprah's Cybertruck?
#130 | Posted by REDIAL

In terms of blame at the feet of the governor, that's all that matters. IOW, preparation is the only control he has. The actual ignition and the subsequent fanning of flames? He clearly has zero control over. Hence, the idea Newsom is to blame for this is absolutely idiotic.

#132 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:22 PM

If you lived in California you'd know that many of the cities and municipalities have been working very hard to improve their water systems with an eye on conservation. For example, we live in a city, Irvine, which recycles our waste water. Currently the water coming from the city's sewer system is treated and then reused for agriculture and to water green belts and common spaces. Also, large buildings, such as offices and schools, have two water supplies, a potable water line for drinking water, and a 'gray water' line for toilets and such (in an office building or school, the largest user of water is flushing toilets). The current plan is to improve the water treatment facilities so that in the near future, even the potable water will include recycled water which has been purified to the point where it'll be indistinguishable from the fresh water supplied from the California water system.

OCU

#133 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 09:23 PM

@#127 ... Indeed. Nice self own. ...

So, I'm not the only one who noticed that.

#134 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 09:26 PM

#133 Ocuser

That's all well and good. However, even setting aside wildfires, in a state that has grown its population 67% without building a new reservoir seems like poor resource and priority management to me.

It's not even about blame. To me the issue is: this is a problem. How do we go about fixing it?

#135 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:37 PM

Speaking of states where the population has grown, what has Florida done to mitigate the impact of hurricanes? Or places like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc, when it comes to tornadoes?

OCU

#136 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 09:41 PM

-Or places like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc, when it comes to tornadoes?

Better Warning systems, storm shelters, etc but not much beyond that.

While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on those states?

How often is this area of LA exposed to these conditions?

Very low humidity
High winds

I'm not bitching about local and state govt. just asking ... .

#137 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 09:48 PM

How do we go about fixing it?
#135 | Posted by BellRinger

Since you seem sincerely interested in providing receipts, dig into the California state politics since around 1996 as it relates to this topic. This is nothing new and clearly panaceas are nonexistent. So what does that tell you? IOW, it should explain why a solution hasn't been found. And if you think that matter is solely partisan, I've got a bridge to sell you.

#138 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:51 PM

While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on those states?

How often is this area of LA exposed to these conditions?

Very low humidity
High winds

I'm not bitching about local and state govt. just asking ... .
#137 | Posted by eberly

Santa Ana winds like we are currently experiencing are rare.

Now I propose the same concept to you: While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on the entire state of California, its representatives, and its people? Because that's what's happening, provided by the resident DR Trump cultists, including Trump himself.

Genuinely interested in your response. Thank you I'm advance.

#139 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:55 PM

major reservoir built in Texas is Bois d'Arc Lake

So equivalent to the 21st largest CA reservoir. Fair enough.

#140 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 09:57 PM

Since you seem sincerely interested in providing receipts, dig into the California state politics since around 1996 as it relates to this topic. This is nothing new and clearly panaceas are nonexistent. So what does that tell you? IOW, it should explain why a solution hasn't been found. And if you think that matter is solely partisan, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:51 PM | Reply

I honestly don't think you could build an infrastructure big enough to deal with these massive wildfires. I honestly don't. It's what happens when you have such a large population in such a big place. It's one of the many hazards of human population.

#141 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 09:59 PM

@#135 ... in a state that has grown its population 67% without building a new reservoir seems like poor resource and priority management to me. ...

Maybe your current alias should thank the GOP (~reduce state spending~) movement for that?

#142 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:05 PM

#141 | Posted by LauraMohr

I agree. Especially as it relates to earthquakes or the eventual eruption of Yellowstone.

California has unique natural issues we have to deal with just as Florida has to deal with hurricanes and the Midwest has to deal with tornadoes. Then there's Texas with their issues surrounding freezing temperatures and a poorly protected electrical grid. Some issues can be protected by the State. Some can't. Mitigation is the best we got for any state and that only goes so far.

#143 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:05 PM

Back in October I flew out to San Francisco to go see a show there. While waiting in line to get into the club I was talking to the people in front of me, two of them worked paid gigs for the California Parks system. We had a discussion on controlled burns as during the summers part of their job was to clean up the trails/parks. It was interesting that they said it's not something they ever see occur. They were nice people but this problem can be combatted via controlled burns and other measures to control the fires. The rest of the country does it, so I'm still baffled why California stopped.

#144 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-08 10:08 PM

Welp, since everyone in Cali has done everything perfectly with no possible room for improvement there's nothing that can be done but watch it burn and send thoughts and prayers.

#145 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 10:09 PM

and send thoughts and prayers.
#145 | Posted by visitor_

Typical response from a MAGAt regardless of the disaster.

Take'm and shove'em

#146 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:12 PM

Gaslighter in refernce to #142, when was the last time the Republicans were in control of California?

#147 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 10:13 PM

-Now I propose the same concept to you: While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on the entire state of California, its representatives, and its people?

No. But it's going to happen. We politicize the crap out of everything.

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:14 PM

California uses controlled burns, also known as prescribed fires, to mitigate wildfires. These carefully planned burns help reduce excess vegetation, which can fuel wildfires, and improve forest resilience. The state has significantly increased its use of prescribed fires, doubling their implementation between 2021 and 2023 and treating over 700,000 acres in 2023[1][2]. However, challenges such as climate change, liability concerns, and limited suitable weather conditions restrict their broader application[3][6].

Citations:
[1]
www.gov.ca.gov
[2] www.fire.ca.gov
[3] newsroom.ucla.edu
[4] ww2.arb.ca.gov
[5] www.savetheredwoods.org
[6] www.nytimes.com
[7] www.mbard.org
[8] cepr.net
[9] www.kqed.org
[10] readyforwildfire.org

#149 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:15 PM

We politicize the crap out of everything.
#148 | Posted by eberly

You got a mouse in yo pocket?

#150 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:15 PM

nothing that can be done but watch it burn and send thoughts and prayers.

Don't be silly. Just use the Giant Faucet. Problem solved. Lewzer is on it.

#151 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 10:16 PM

Gaslighter in refernce to #142, when was the last time the Republicans were in control of California?
#147 | Posted by visitor

^^Ignorant of California politics.

Swallow it.

#152 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:16 PM

-You got a mouse in yo pocket?

I don't do it. I'm not doing it now.

And the continued insurance problems in CA that are going to intensify? Expect that to be blamed on CA government.

Just like in Florida.

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state shithole"?

I forgive you.

#153 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:21 PM

"Florida has to deal with hurricanes and the Midwest has to deal with tornadoes. Then there's Texas with their issues surrounding freezing temperatures and a poorly protected electrical grid."

All blamed squarely on the state government.

#154 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:22 PM

All 3 of the fires that started in Ventura County btwn yesterday and today were almost immediately knocked down.
Viewline fire just now - in less than an hour it was stopped.
Also immediately had 2 tankers and 2 helicopters on it.

Wonder why can't LA City couldn't handle the situation?


While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on the entire state of California, its representatives, and its people?
No. But it's going to happen. We politicize the crap out of everything.
#148 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I am not ragging on the people, just the politicians that made insanely crazy priority decisions, knowing full well there will be no repercussions for their stupidity.

#155 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:22 PM

And the continued insurance problems in CA that are going to intensify? Expect that to be blamed on CA government.

They put the cap on it.

You can't NOT prevent fires, then complain insurance is too damn high.

#156 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:23 PM

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state shithole"?

I have never used it.

#157 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:24 PM

"I am not ragging on the people, just the politicians that made insanely crazy priority decisions, knowing full well there will be no repercussions for their stupidity."

You're stopping at the pols? Not ragging on the people who voted for them?

Because that's how it goes with blame aimed at red states here

Big of you ... ..

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:25 PM

-They put the cap on it.

Meaning?

#159 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:26 PM


You're stopping at the pols? Not ragging on the people who voted for them?

Feel free to point out where I have ever done that?

#160 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:26 PM

I'm not doing it now.

Neither am I, so who is this we you refer to? Be specific.

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state shithole"?
I forgive you.
#153 | Posted by eberly

For what? You're ASSuming I've used the phrase "red state shit hole"?

Why all the assumptions? California kid here declaring: "I have never used nor even typed the words 'red state shit hole.'"

Ball's in your court, EB.

#161 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:26 PM

@#147 ... when was the last time the Republicans were in control of California? ...

Do the Republicans have to be in control of California in order to have a say in the budget?


#162 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:26 PM

Because that's how it goes with blame aimed at red states here

The only people I rag on in the US are people from Florida, and not because of disasters.

#163 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:27 PM

#162

Exactly

#164 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:27 PM

"so who is this we you refer to? Be specific"

The DR, pundits everywhere. Trump

#165 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM

@#148 ... We politicize the crap out of everything. ...

If you are speaking about MAGA, yeah, I would agree.

#166 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM

All blamed squarely on the state government.
#154 | Posted by eberly

By whome? Be specific.

#167 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM

Do the Republicans have to be in control of California in order to have a say in the budget?

Yes. In fact, CA is so Democrat, Republicans can't even submit ideas.

#168 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM

@#163 ... The only people I rag on in the US are people from Florida ...

So funny.

#169 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:29 PM

-Why all the assumptions?

What assumptions?

It was a question.

So far there is 1 poster who doesn't use that term.

You

Anymore?

#170 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:30 PM

The DR, pundits everywhere. Trump
#165 | Posted by eberly

And you include yourself in that description yet purposely do not include myself, correct?

#171 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:30 PM

@#164 ... Exactly ...

One thing I find most curious in the unfortunate LA fires, is how the GOP seems to be backing away from the problem they may have caused.

So typical of the MAGA folk.

Not taking responsibility for ones' actions, but blaming others.

#172 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:32 PM


-They put the cap on it.
Meaning?
#159 | POSTED BY EBERLY

A price cap? If you don't understand the states interference in the home insurance market, its long and drawn out.

From home insurance, Electricity, Gas the State is driving everything into the ground.

The State wouldn't allow the insurance companies to charge what they felt was needed to keep the homes insured, so they cancelled them.

#173 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:32 PM

-Feel free to point out where I have ever done that?

I said the opposite.

#174 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:32 PM

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state shithole"?
I forgive you.
#153 | Posted by eberly

To start, that's a baseless assumption. Your statement that you "forgive me" suggests you assume that I've used the phrase "red state shithole."

Get it?

#175 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:33 PM

-Do the Republicans have to be in control of California in order to have a say in the budget?

1 party has a super majority.

Shall I tell you what that means?

I believe rsty is going to slap you with "doesn't understand California politics" any time now.

#176 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:35 PM

@#168 ... Republicans can't even submit ideas. ...

So, your current alias seems to be saying that the GOP in California cannot even submit a bill in the California legislature?

Yeah, if I may suggest, do try harder to be relevant.

#177 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:36 PM

#176 | Posted by eberly

You deserve the slap first and foremost, Kansanonian.

#178 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:36 PM

Rsty, I wasn't sure if you were even from California.

Others like speakstupid and clowncum constantly reference their state while hammering red states.

You can stop victimizing yourself

#179 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:38 PM

-You deserve the slap

Poor thing ... ..

#180 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:39 PM

Yes. In fact, CA is so Democrat, Republicans can't even submit ideas.

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM | Reply

Ahhhhhnold says you're a hack.

#181 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 10:39 PM

You can stop victimizing yourself
#179 | Posted by eberly

^^The irony is rife, Kansanonian! Back to my previous points, any care or interest? Your ignorance and assumptions notwithstanding

#182 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:39 PM

-So, your current alias seems to be saying that the GOP in California cannot even submit a bill in the California legislature?

Can they get it out of committee?

#183 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:39 PM

Poor thing ... ..
#180 | Posted by eberly

The mirror is stark, is it not?

#184 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:40 PM

One thing I find most curious in the unfortunate LA fires, is how the GOP seems to be backing away from the problem they may have caused.

I'm more curious why they are not cheering on Lewzer's Giant Faucet that will fix everything. Water for firefighting, water for farmers? Huge win!

I can only conclude that they want California to fail, so they don't want Lewzer to fix the water problem with the Giant Faucet. They will probably pretend there is no Giant Faucet, and POTUS is just a troll.

#185 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 10:40 PM

@#176 ... 1 party has a super majority.

Shall I tell you what that means? ...

Yeah, it means that the voters elected that super-majority.

Now, if you want to talk about N.Carolina's gerrymandering to achieve a similar result that the California voters achieved without gerrymandering, I'm all ears.


#186 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:40 PM

Can they get it out of committee?
#183 | Posted by eberly

You and Jeffy have some homework to do! I'd suggest going back to at least 1996.

#187 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:41 PM


-So, your current alias seems to be saying that the GOP in California cannot even submit a bill in the California legislature?
Can they get it out of committee?
#183 | POSTED BY EBERLY

they don't run the committees, much like the Federal level when one party is in charge.

#188 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:43 PM

@#187 ... You and Jeffy ...

Two of the same?

#189 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:43 PM

Truth is I don't know if you have similar disdain for red state residents with such a potty mouth.

Then I remember what a hostile swallower you are.

You sure you don't have such a hatred of red state Americans?

But again ... ..I forgive you.

#190 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:44 PM

-Yeah, it means that the voters elected that super-majority.

So ... ... .no, you don't know what it means.

#191 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:45 PM

Here's the kicker, CA government is backstopping as an insurer of last resort, and insurance for the insurance companies via FAIR

The claim right now is $52b in losses thus far. FAIR has a surplus of $200mm and only $2.5b in reinsurance.

All of this will have to be covered by State TAX revenues.

#192 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:46 PM

-You and Jeffy have some homework to do!

Regarding what?

Lamp literally doesn't know how a legislature operates at all.

#193 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:46 PM

-Now, if you want to talk about N.Carolina's gerrymandering

Are you sure you want to go there?

Because I'm doubting you understand what that term means either.

#194 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:51 PM

@#191 ... So ... ... .no, you don't know what it means. ...

And your current alias says that, why?

#195 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:53 PM

-your current alias

You're cute.

#196 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:54 PM

@#193 ... Lamp literally doesn't know how a legislature operates at all. ...

And your current alias says that, why?


#197 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:54 PM

@#196 ... You're cute. ...

Why thank-you.

Others have told me similar.

But, that deflection aside, what answer does your current alias have to the question I posed in #177?


#198 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:59 PM

Last night in the Los Angeles DWP couldn't turn the fire hydrants on, and even with downed live wires, it didn't turn the power lines off.

According to the @latimes , Bass's pick for manager of the DWP is paid $750,000/yr

Wow nice gig.

#199 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:03 PM


And your current alias says that, why?
#197 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Its obvious. But the point isn't this is it, its really your avoidance to agree that the State of CA is run by Democrats, and all your deflections haven't proven otherwise.

#200 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:05 PM

198

Not how it works, little fella.

You can sniff my butt all night.

But your alias can't argue shit.

Just stick to posting decent stories. You can manage that.

But you're so desperate to be in the argument you have to spew the "your alias" crap because the subject is beyond you.

You're cute though.

#201 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:05 PM

I forgive you.
#190 | Posted by eberly

For what? Be specific and stop playing games. SNOOFY is gone, you don't need to take his place.

#202 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:12 PM

@#200 ... Its obvious. ...

Then state it, instead of deflecting to another topic in your current alias' comment.

#203 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 11:15 PM

@#201 ... You can sniff my butt all night. ...

I do notice that your current alias still has not answered the simple question I asked in my #1776 ...

So, your current alias seems to be saying that the GOP in California cannot even submit a bill in the California legislature?

Why?


#204 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 11:19 PM

Poor thing ... ..
But again ... ..I forgive you.
You're cute.
You're cute though.
-- EBERLY

Why do you bother responding at all? You're borderline bipolar. It's obvious.

#205 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:20 PM

Why?
#204 | Posted by LampLighter

See my #205.

#206 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:20 PM

Regarding what?
#193 | Posted by eberly

The politics surrounding fire mitigation in the state of California since 1996. Are you seriously that slow? Or seriously that insincere? My guess is the latter. What says you?

#207 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:22 PM

This bears repeating as it hasn't been even commented upon:

California uses controlled burns, also known as prescribed fires, to mitigate wildfires. These carefully planned burns help reduce excess vegetation, which can fuel wildfires, and improve forest resilience. The state has significantly increased its use of prescribed fires, doubling their implementation between 2021 and 2023 and treating over 700,000 acres in 2023[1][2]. However, challenges such as climate change, liability concerns, and limited suitable weather conditions restrict their broader application[3][6].

Citations:
[1] www.gov.ca.gov
[2] www.fire.ca.gov
[3] newsroom.ucla.edu
[4] ww2.arb.ca.gov
[5] www.savetheredwoods.org
[6] www.nytimes.com
[7] www.mbard.org
[8] cepr.net
[9] www.kqed.org
[10] readyforwildfire.org
#149 | Posted by rstybeach11

#208 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:26 PM

"stop playing games. SNOOFY is gone, you don't need to take his place.

#202 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-01-08 11:12 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

That made me spit my drink on my computer screen with laughter, A**hole

#209 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:32 PM

-You're borderline bipolar. It's obvious.

You're unhinged with rage and frustration

You're all over the place. You're taking everything personal.

Thin skinned and paranoid.

#210 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:33 PM

Rstybeach,

From your POV does Cali do an adequate job with forest and water management or does the state have obvious deficiencies that should and can be addressed and fixed?

I am not from California and apparently you are so I'm asking because I'm curious.

#211 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:35 PM

This bears repeating as it hasn't been even commented upon

We do controlled burns here as well. They are tricky and potentially dangerous. And there ain't much here in the way of populated areas to worry about.

Typically if a wildfire starts in a remote area they just let it burn. Sometimes that goes bad later. Deliberate controlled burns are typically used to firebreak an existing fire that threatens something expensive.

#212 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:35 PM

-California uses controlled burns,

I take no issue with how CA manages controlled burns.

That's not a retraction.

I never went there. Lamp deflected to how he is clueless about how state government works.

You saw it. You can see he's a moron.

If you genuinely get irritated at ignorance like you pretend to here then you would have bludgeoned lamp to death by now.

I forgive you

#213 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:37 PM

...or does the state have obvious deficiencies that should and can be addressed and fixed?

Or will Lewzer's Giant Faucet fix it all in a couple of weeks?

#214 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:38 PM

I make the argument that since the last reservoir was constructed (1979) the state has grown its population by 67%. To me it seems like more reservoirs should have been constructed given that kind of growth and that's just to meet the summer demands of non-emergency water consumption.

As for forestry management, I don't know how they have been managing that and whether or not what they have been doing is reasonably adequate.

So, any light you can shed is greatly appreciated.

#215 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:39 PM

"I forgive you

#213 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-01-08 11:37 PM | FLAG: "

Akin to: "Swallow it"

Great adaptation!

#216 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:40 PM

We do controlled burns here as well.

You sure?
www.iawfonline.org

-California uses controlled burns,

No it doesnt,

The Sierra Club sued the Fed to stop burns under a certain size. claiming the process needed a 3.5-year EIS review. Halting burns due to process costs.
Then the State implemented the John Muir Project in 2018 and the Center for Biological Diversity in 2021 pulled the same thing, halting critical fuel reduction plans.

#217 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:41 PM

216

I been waiting for him to trot that out.

Lamp threw in the towel with his little quip. Done with that retard for a while.

#218 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:43 PM

I make the argument that since the last reservoir was constructed (1979)

Its worse than that, 8yrs ago State voted to build more reservoirs, none have been built but money has been allocated.

Lets not forget the HSR, Billions upon Billions, and no track laid.

#219 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:43 PM

217

Then why is rsty saying otherwise?

#220 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:44 PM

"Then why is rsty saying otherwise?

#220 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-01-08 11:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Hopefully he will provide an answer.

#221 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:47 PM

You sure?

Yes.

#222 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:49 PM

#209 | Posted by BellRinger

w'lcome

#223 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:51 PM

Then why is rsty saying otherwise?

Because its like saying CA does one controlled burn, ergo we do controlled burns.

Its not like they don't happen, they do, but they aren't happening at the rate or size needed because of the process.

For instance we did have a controlled burn at the county park, but it didn't burn enough fuel and this past summer it all went up anyway. Threatening homes and properties near the county park. Its really become a problem in the Sierras too.

Even in Canada, as I pointed out to DialAgain, the same rules the SC created here, are happening in Canada and thats why they had such a huge firestorm.

#224 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:53 PM


Yes.
#222 | POSTED BY REDIAL

See what I mean Eberly, this gives them cover to say "Yes we do" ....

He can't even reply to the link which clearly states Canadian firestorm was caused by lack of fuel control due to legislation changes.

#225 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:55 PM

Its worse than that, 8yrs ago State voted to build more reservoirs, none have been built but money has been allocated.

Waste of money when you can just use Lewzer's Giant Faucet. Colombia River flow rate averages a quarter million gallons per minute. That will get those hydrants filled up in no time.

#226 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:56 PM

Waste of money when you can just use Lewzer's Giant Faucet. Colombia River flow rate averages a quarter million gallons per minute. That will get those hydrants filled up in no time.

Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:56 PM | Reply

According to Stormy Daniels it's not very big. Just sayin

#227 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 12:00 AM

'Nut doesn't seem to want to talk about Lewzer's Giant Faucet fix. Why is that? Here's a couple options for him:

1) Lewzer is just lying.
2) Lewzer is just stupid
3) Other

#228 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 12:02 AM

Redial,

If you are trying to be funny (I just flagged Laura Mohr's #227 as funny) you are failing.

If you are trying to make some kind of a point, you are also failing. Maybe try a different tack.

#229 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-09 12:07 AM

#228

SO, are you actually blaming this on Trump? This site already has Zed. It doesn't need a clone.

#230 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-09 12:09 AM

@#213 ... Lamp deflected to how he is clueless about how state government works. ...

Did I?

Or does your current alias just disagree with the post?

#231 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-09 12:09 AM

@#218 ... Lamp threw in the towel with his little quip. Done with that retard for a while. ...

Aside from the slur ...

Oh, how with I ever survive? :D

But more curious to me is an apparent ganging together of some aliases this evening.

Coordinated?

I've not a clue.

#232 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-09 12:13 AM

Maybe try a different tack.

Ok.

#233 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 12:14 AM

I am not from California and apparently you are so I'm asking because I'm curious.
#211 | Posted by BellRinger

Staying ahead of the drought is always an issue, one in which is difficult to address legislatively.

California has made real progress with laws that promote water conservation and wildfire prevention, but gaps remain. Water-saving rules have helped reduce waste, yet some communities, especially those with aging infrastructure, still need more support. Wildfire prevention has improved too, with power companies now required to take proactive steps, but devastating fires continue to emerge. "Raking the forest floors" is wildly smplistic, but measures such as clearing dry vegetation around homes and infrastructure, expanding fire safety training, and modernizing electricity stations is still needed even after the devastation of the mid-200s.

Building more reservoirs can help by providing water for firefighting, but they're not a cure-all. A truly effective wildfire strategy requires proactive vegetation management, controlled burns, modernized power grids, expanded fire education, and climate action.

californiawaterblog.com
www.fire.ca.gov
lao.ca.gov

All of the above has been funded and initiated, yet fires still burn. This isn't a failure of interest or partisan gridlock -- it's the reality of human limitations against a massive, complex problem. California is the fifth-largest economy in the world, part of the world's largest economic region, yet even with bipartisan efforts spanning decades, from Reagan to Schwarzenegger to Newsom, there's still no simple solution. Out-of-state MAGAts', and Trump's especially, conscious choice to disparage Californians instead of offering empathy is a true encapsulation of why the next four years will be quite difficult for everyone involved.

#234 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 12:19 AM

Fire Chief complained to the LA Mayor last month about budget cuts limiting her dept. The funds were diverted to help migrants ***
x.com

Just getting worse and worse.

#235 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 12:19 AM

"Then why is rsty saying otherwise?
#220 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-01-08 11:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"
Hopefully he will provide an answer.
#221 | Posted by BellRinger

You a recovering Catholic? If not, I challenge you to develop some empathy.

#236 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 12:20 AM

"234 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 "

Thank you for sharing all of that. Give me a bit to digest it...

#237 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-09 12:27 AM

"This isn't a failure of interest or partisan gridlock -- it's the reality of human limitations against a massive, complex problem. "

Given what you've produced (and thank you for doing so) I'm inclined to agree, at least to a certain extent.

Sometimes catastrophic events are just that - they happen.

#238 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-09 12:33 AM

Many forces in nature are beyond human control, and it's often reduced to political blame as if voting a certain way could prevent wildfires, droughts, or hurricanes. It's troubling to suggest that people deserve hardship because of their political choices, especially when those challenges stem from complex environmental factors that no individual, or even the most powerful nation, can fully influence let alone control. Policies CAN help manage risk, but nature remains unpredictable, and no amount of legislation can eliminate all danger or risk. Fires are relatively and traditionally normal, as they are in most healthy ecosystems. Now also consider what it will be like when California and the entire West Coast experience the "big one" (i.e., earthquake) or when Yellowstone blows.

I hope partisanship will be ignored when either of those events inevitably happens.

That's what's truly disturbing to me, reading this stuff on the DR; a certain segment of this most august site refuses to even consider empathy.

#239 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 12:51 AM

I'm almost certain that empathy won't put out a wildfire. But I'll send thoughts and prayers anyway.

#240 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-09 12:52 AM

I'm almost certain that empathy won't put out a wildfire. But I'll send thoughts and prayers anyway.
#240 | Posted by visitor_

Wouldn't expect anything else from you anyway, MAGAt.

Swallow it.

#241 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 12:56 AM

I'm almost certain that empathy won't put out a wildfire.

No. You need rain. Or the winds to stop. Or Lewzer's Giant Faucet.

#242 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 01:00 AM

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state shithole"?

I forgive you.

#153 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:21 PM

I've never used that epitaph nor would I ever think of doing so.

OCU

#243 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-09 01:24 AM

@#153 ... Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state shithole"?

I doubt it.

But that seems to be to point of comments here.

It is not about one party or the other having absolute rule.

It is about protecting Americans.



#244 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-09 01:32 AM

Well my brother in Pasadena CA was evacuated this morning from the assisted living home where he lives. I read all the commentary here about how Cali shoulda duns... coulda duns blah blah blah... from a bunch of sanctimonious dumb@$$e$ who living in the US have benefited from Cali's place in the US economy.

This fire is going to hurt the entire country.

Trumpanzee the king of vindictive... will preside over this nation in the aftermath...

I hope he handles it better than he handled COVID... where like most of the cl0wnflakes posting here... if it ain't happening to me it's not a problem until it is.

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