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Wednesday, January 08, 2025

From the mountains to the coast, huge swaths of smoke and flames rose from the region as fire crews battled the wind-driven blaze. Evacuation orders are in place for approximately 30,000 residents and more than 10,000 homes are threatened, according to the Los Angeles Fire Department.

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Watching live news coverage of the Pacific Palisades fire and Steve Guttenburg appears out of the smoke to provide a PSA.

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-- Vintage Virgo (@vintagevirgo.bsky.social) January 7, 2025 at 4:22 PM

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That really turns Redial on. He has a question for you.

#1 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-07 09:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Frogs and ---- coming soon.

#2 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-01-07 10:58 PM | Reply

Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 12:50 AM | Reply

You seem not to understand who lives in Pacific Palisades.

Here's a hint.

They are the billionaires.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 01:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Biden's fault. He's had 4 years to get them some rakes.

#5 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 01:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

We didn't listen!

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 02:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#3 Not in the areas where they are letting houses burn without any fire protection. Those are only millionaires.

#7 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:24 AM | Reply

Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.

#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You mean the people you voted for to control America for the foreseeable future?

Yeah. GFY.

Too late to bitch now.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More billionaires backed Biden than Trump, in both elections.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-01-08 09:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

More billionaires contributed more money to Kamala. There isn't a party that doesn't answer to the billionaire class. Besides it's Cali, not a lot Trump love there.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 09:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-Too late to bitch now.

No it's not. It's never too late to bitch about your situation.

read the posts on this place.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 09:23 AM | Reply

Water wasn't working in the fire hydrants, a perfect metaphor for Gavin Newsom's California.

It really feels like its all for show.

#12 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1


Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.
#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

I realize you might not know much about CA, but Pacific Palisades is the billionaire class.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

what's the significance of the net worth of the residents in this fire?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 09:26 AM | Reply

Apartheid Clyde bought twitter for $44 billion to get the orange pedo elected.

#15 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Biden's fault. He's had 4 years to get them some rakes.
#5 | POSTED BY REDIAL

How about water in the fire hydrants? Too much to ask for a government taking ~10% sales tax, and probably 12% State income tax?

Incredible failure here.

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Besides it's Cali, not a lot Trump love there.

#10 | POSTED BY VISITOR

Cali is a city in Columbia.

And if you think we don't have Trumpers in California it's only because you are an idiot or have never been to California. (Or both.)

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No it's not. It's never too late to bitch about your situation.
read the posts on this place.
#11 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I know right? Place wouldn't exist if we couldn't bitch, but we can only bitch about certain things.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:28 AM | Reply

Cali is a city in Columbia.
~ DonnerBot

You really need to get out more.

Did you know people cal SFO - The City!

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:30 AM | Reply

Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.

#3 | Posted by visitor_

So what made y'all turn? 2008 and all its misery was described as an "investment opportunity" by the likes of scum like you.

Now, all of a sudden, you're against that. Why? Could it be because your preferred policies finally caught up to you and you can't get a few crumbs from the game anymore? So now you want to take your ball and go home?

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 09:32 AM | Reply

It really feels like its all for show.

#12 | Posted by oneironaut

Much like your posting history...

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 09:33 AM | Reply

"No it's not. It's never too late to bitch about your situation."

If you voted yourself into that situation then you got what you deserved. Grin and bear it.

I was speaking specifically to Trumpers who voted for an Oligarchy in America.

They have no right to bitch about the billionaires now.

And yes. The rest of us ... we be bitchin for the next four years.

In spite of maggats telling us "Trump won!" so sit down and STFU.

Yeah. You are so right there ... THAT ain't happening.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just when you couldn't imagine a more perfect metaphor California says "hold my beer"

COUNTLESS reports of mass fire coverage cancellations by insurance companies just WEEKS before the Los Angeles fires

California government given their mismanagement of the insurance problems in the state and explaining that fire coverage for homes was just cancelled after people contributed for DECADES

Per @RealJamesWoods, said his neighborhood had their coverage mass cancelled recently.

Wow

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:37 AM | Reply

we be bitchin for the next four years.

If you're from Cali and voted Democrat, you deserve your home to be burnt to the ground.

Is that what you're saying?

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:38 AM | Reply

Did you know people cal SFO - The City!
#19 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Did you know some people are idiots?

"SFO" is the call sign of the airport.

San Francisco is called The City by the Bay.

Trumpy loves the uneducated.

Trumpy loves you.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's Cali, it's always been Cali and it will always be Cali. But more to the point, if you voted for Kamala, supported the billionaire class's candidate. You are welcome for the education.

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 09:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If you're from Cali and voted Democrat, you deserve your home to be burnt to the ground."

I am not from Columbia and also I rake my yard so no worries here.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's Cali, it's always been Cali and it will always be Cali.

You are a hateful idiot always have been an hateful idiot and will apparently always be a hateful idiot.

More to the point. I voted for a candidate who would advance fair and predictable policies that support the rule of law, stability, and a sound economy and good business environment for everyone including the millionaires and billionaires.

Your four year education is on its way. Though I doubt you will learn a thing from it.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-08 09:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

what's the significance of the net worth of the residents in this fire?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 09:26 AM | Reply

Good luck getting an answer from oneironut. He drops a deuce in a thread and then moves on.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 10:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They have no right to bitch about the billionaires now.

And yes. The rest of us ... we be bitchin for the next four years."

1. you've (and the "rest of us") never stopped complaining
2. anybody can bitch about billionaires
3. billionaires give money to everyone
4. you can pretend they don't
5. anybody can bitch about it anytime

Most of you all here will bitch every day until you're dead.

you understand that, right?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:06 AM | Reply

-Good luck getting an answer from oneironut

Clown actually mentioned the billionaires who live in this fire

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:07 AM | Reply

Is firebug Darrell Issa responsible for this?

#32 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 10:07 AM | Reply

I realize you might not know much about CA, but Pacific Palisades is the billionaire class.

#13 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 09:25 AM | Reply

I really do not understand the point he is attempting to make here.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 10:08 AM | Reply

Since so many billionaires live in California, I would think those billionaires have more impact on state politics there than they do in any other state.

Has anybody from California who's ran for federal office ever won without billionaire 'friends' there?

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:10 AM | Reply

Has anybody from California who's ran for federal office ever won without billionaire 'friends' there?

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:10 AM | Reply

Even the immensely popular Arnold Schwarzenegger took billionaire money. (he was popular when he ran) It's impossible to win a major election without that kind of dough now.

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 10:12 AM | Reply

Wow

#23 | Posted by oneironaut

LOL righties are suddenly shocked by the effects of a profit at all costs mentality.

Y'all are like children. Short bus children.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-It's impossible to win a major election without that kind of dough now.

exactly

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:30 AM | Reply

Colombia.

#38 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-01-08 12:47 PM | Reply

LOL righties are suddenly shocked by the effects of a profit at all costs mentality.
Y'all are like children. Short bus children.
#36 | Posted by jpw

You don't even understand the issue.

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 01:32 PM | Reply

I really do not understand the point he is attempting to make here.
#33 | Posted by Alexandrite

Figures you can't keep a thought in that pea brain.

Posters are claiming billionaires were going to move in like after Hawaiian fire.

Keep up.

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 01:33 PM | Reply

what's the significance of the net worth of the residents in this fire?
#14 | Posted by eberly

You too?
It's even in the ------- post.
I swear the DR posters are lagging

Like Maui, expect a land grab by the billionaire class.
#3 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

#41 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 01:35 PM | Reply

An update...

California wildfires live updates: At least 2 dead and over 1,000 structures destroyed in L.A. blazes
www.nbcnews.com

... The Palisades, Eaton and Hurst fires have forced the evacuations of over 80,000 people as powerful winds are fueling the deadly wildfires.

The Palisades Fire has already burned through more than 5,000 acres and destroyed over 1,000 structures, while the Eaton Fire has burned 2,227 acres and the Hurst Fire has affected 500 acres.

The fires were sparked by a combination of dry conditions and powerful winds and are having a huge effect far beyond the danger zones, with almost 300,000 energy customers in the dark this morning, according to PowerOutage.com. ...



#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 01:40 PM | Reply

An update...

That's quite a fire. Dry and windy is never good.

#43 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 01:48 PM | Reply

@#43

Especially these winds, blowing down the mountains into the LA area.

They are causing the fire to spread so quickly, the firefighters are having a difficult time getting out in front of the spread to slow the forward movement of the fire.

#44 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 02:33 PM | Reply

getting out in front of the spread to slow the forward movement of the fire.

That's mostly a risky and futile effort anyway. At best they might be able protect a few VIP homes, but they would have to be very VIP. Not enough water supply to go around.

#45 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 02:39 PM | Reply

"It's Cali"

It has never been "Cali" you sound like an idiot transplant or a non-resident for saying that.

Signed, a multi-generational Californian.

#46 | Posted by dibblda at 2025-01-08 02:44 PM | Reply

Both of the rappers LL Cool J and the Notorious B.I.G. referred to California as Cali. Just sayin

#47 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 03:07 PM | Reply

41

fair enough. This place is so rife with class warfare I wasn't sure it wasn't something else.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 03:12 PM | Reply

@#45 ... That's mostly a risky and futile effort anyway. ...

In the current situation in LA, yes.

But if the fire were moving more slowly, then some of the dry vegetation could be removed to reduce the fuel available. That's done more in forest areas than residential areas, though.


#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 03:20 PM | Reply

Next up, flood season!

#50 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-08 03:22 PM | Reply

That's done more in forest areas than residential areas, though.

Yes. Removing fuel is usually done by burning it. Tough call picking a neighbourhood to burn down on purpose to protect the next one.

Even then it doesn't usually make much difference. Rain or the wind dying down will make a difference. The rest is just making it look like you are trying.

#51 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 03:25 PM | Reply

You don't even understand the issue.

#39 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Enough to know it's not CA specific. Insurance cos have been dropping coverage nationally for various disaster types.

You're attempt to spin this as a Newsom issue only confirms you should be named oneironshortbus, short bus.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 03:33 PM | Reply


Yes. Removing fuel is usually done by burning it. Tough call picking a neighbourhood to burn down on purpose to protect the next one.

Where did the fire start DialAgain? Homelessness, there's all sorts of videos of homeless people in LA lighting fires to keep warm. It started in the hills behind Palisades, in a trail littered with homeless people.

Where did the $24Billion for homeless go? No one know, and no one even brings up there NO ------- WATER, or Firefighters.

California is facing cascading failuresd.

Can you imagine if this Palm Beach Florida and there was no water in their hydrants?

Can you picture what the Lumpers and the media would be doing to DeSantis right now?

#53 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 03:33 PM | Reply


Next up, flood season!

#50 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

This is what happens when you teardown dam dams

#54 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 03:34 PM | Reply

Dry and windy is never good.

#43 | POSTED BY REDIAL

That's what oneironshortbus' wife says.

Then she goes to her "trainer" and she's much happier.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-08 03:36 PM | Reply

California is facing cascading failuresd.

Perhaps you should start pretending to live somewhere else instead of hyperventilating.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trifecta. The hydrants are out of water. The mayor is in Africa. Kamala is nowhere to be found.

#57 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Both of the rappers LL Cool J and the Notorious B.I.G. referred to California as Cali. Just sayin"

Huh, OK. Outside of those two and recent transplants, I have never heard a local say "Cali". Maybe it sounds better when rapping.

#58 | Posted by dibblda at 2025-01-08 03:44 PM | Reply

Trifecta. The hydrants are out of water. The mayor is in Africa. Kamala is nowhere to be found.

#57 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:42 PM | Reply

You--------------- to natural disasters in blue states, then pretend to be Christian. It's sickening.

#59 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 03:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trifecta. The hydrants are out of water. The mayor is in Africa. Kamala is nowhere to be found.

Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:42 PM | Reply

A trifecta of stupid by Gracie. Must be on a day that ends in a Y

#60 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 03:49 PM | Reply

LL Cool J and the Notorious B.I.G.

Two rappers from the 90's. Can you find an older reference for us please?

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 03:49 PM | Reply

I am not a DR liberal rejoicing in the CJ during hurricane season in Florida. You people are what wayback machine wet dreams look like. Hope you had a merry Christmas! Bless your heart.

#62 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

seriously...there is no water and the mayor is out of the country?

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 03:53 PM | Reply

What are the odds TWO leftwing nuts have NAT GEO centerfolds for reference? Weird.

#64 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 03:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Vice President Harris' neighborhood ordered to evacuate as wildfires bear down on Los Angeles
www.scrippsnews.com

... Vice President Kamala Harris' neighborhood of Brentwood in Los Angeles was ordered to evacuate Tuesday night as wildfires continue to blaze in the area, her spokesperson said.

"Last night, the Vice President's neighborhood in Los Angeles was put under an evacuation order. No one was in her home at the time," Ernie Apreza said in a statement. "She and the Second Gentleman are praying for the safety of their fellow Californians, the heroic first responderss, and Secret Service personnel." ...

Vice President Harris said she and President Biden are committed to ensuring that nobody in the area has to respond to this disaster alone and have mobilized federal resources to help fight the blazes.

"As a proud daughter of California, I know the damage that wildfires have on our neighbors and communities," Harris said in a statement. "I also know that the impact is often felt long after the fires is contained. As we respond and as Californians recover, I will ensure that our administration is in constant contact with state and local officials." ...


#65 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 03:55 PM | Reply

I am not a DR liberal rejoicing in the CJ during hurricane season in Florida.

Name them and produce their posts. If they exist they're as bad as you are.

Bless your heart.

Phony.

#66 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 03:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

California Insurer Canceled Policies Months Before Los Angeles Wildfires
www.newsweek.com

... State Farm, one of the biggest insurers in California, canceled hundreds of homeowners' policies last summer in Pacific Palisades -- the same area which is now being ravaged by a devastating wildfire. ...

#67 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 03:57 PM | Reply

- expect a land grab by the billionaire class.

#3 | Posted by visitor_

The Billionaire Class just elected billionaire Donald Trump and his Richest Fascist in the World Money Man Musk to run their New Corporate Government with the support of complete morons like this one.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 04:01 PM | Reply

"Both of the rappers LL Cool J and the Notorious B.I.G. referred to California as Cali. Just sayin"

The comments was, no Californian refers to California as "Cali".

Which is correct. We don't.

While LL Cool J and Biggie have great song which referred to California by the word Cali, they're both New York artists.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:06 PM | Reply

It's Cali, it's always been Cali and it will always be Cali. .
#26 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Tell us you're not a Californian without telling us you're not a Californian.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:08 PM | Reply

Clown actually mentioned the billionaires who live in this fire
#31 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're so close to figuring out the answer to your question.

If only there was a post I was referencing when I was responding.

How much hand holding do you need?

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:12 PM | Reply

One exception he found: Lester Berrey's 1947 "American Thesaurus of Slang" includes several nicknames for California, including "Eureka State," "Golden Poppy State," "Land of Perpetual Sunshine" and, yes, "Cali." So, the term "Cali" has been around for nearly a century (at the very least).Jun 1, 2022

#72 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 04:16 PM | Reply

Mostly used by out of staters.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:18 PM | Reply

"'Cali Dreaming" by the Mammas and the Pappas?"

"'Cali" by Joni Mitchell?

I don't think so!

www.youtube.com

That was the California theme song for YEARS after it was recorded. And there's a reason for that, just listen.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 04:18 PM | Reply

- How much hand holding do you need?

You flirt!

I warn you though, he's not even the least bit twink-ish. Jeffy told me so I know it's true.

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 04:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

So many out of staters so sure what locals call this state.

Also. I'm not sure what it was called in the 70s.

Perhaps it was commonly used back then.

Slang changes.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:29 PM | Reply

I like flirting with Eberly.

He likes a little extra tenderness.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-08 04:29 PM | Reply

@#74 ... "'Cali Dreaming" by the Mammas and the Pappas?" ...

Is that the same song as California Dreamin' by the Mamas and the Papas?"

#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 04:34 PM | Reply

- Slang changes.

I learned some new slang today, and already used it, too.

drudge.com

- not sure what it was called in the 70s.

It was California then, before then, and after then in the 80's when I lived near Stanford and frequented San Francisco.

Where I was one day walking down Castro Street near Market and was pinched on the butt by a Black Leather, Harley-looking silver chain and make-up wearing guy.

For po' straight boy from Texas at the time it was a shocker... but we both laughed and walked on.

But I was going to Haight and Ashbury to see then decade old hippy places. They of course, weren't what they used to be, as many were forced to work for corporations in the new Reagan Era.

What Joni said in 1970 in the song linked above is true about California and America as EARLY as that date:

[Verse 1]
Sitting in a park in Paris, France
Reading the news and it sure looks bad
They won't give peace a chance
That was just a dream some of us had

After that in 2000 it was, "Californication". Which was apt.

What struck me about CA when I was there was the great beauty of the landscapes and shores.

Also that for most practial purposes the state with the very best weather (until recently) was also 'already taken', even back then.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 04:53 PM | Reply

-I like flirting with Eberly.

I being flirted with.

And sexually harassed.......

#80 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 05:20 PM | Reply

-I like flirting with Eberly.

So does jeffy. They were in the jewelry store together just yesterday. Don't know why. Could be an Anniversary?

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 05:24 PM | Reply

Diamond encrusted--------?

#82 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-08 05:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

CA is lacking fire fighters now ...

In testimony to congress, Adam Carolla applied to be an LA firefighter, and was told he had to wait 7 years because he wasn't black, hispanic, or female.

Cascading failures continue.
www.pbs.org

It would be comical if it wasn't so criminal.

#83 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 05:39 PM | Reply

LA County firefighters send extra equipment to first responders in Ukraine as war drags on
abc7.com

Incredible, untucking believable.

#84 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 05:43 PM | Reply

I notice none of the morons are actually addressing the failures I am pointing out.

You guys got your little----------- going here, so just put your heads in the sand and save us the trouble, delete your accounts.

#85 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 05:45 PM | Reply

Or vice-versa.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-08 05:48 PM | Reply

IAMRUNT, your child-raping hero shipped ventilators to Russia while thousands of Americans were choking out every day.

#87 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#84

An article from 2022.

#88 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 05:59 PM | Reply

An article from 2022.

An improvement... the other one was older that that.

#89 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 06:08 PM | Reply

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#90 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM | Reply

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#91 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM | Reply

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#92 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM | Reply

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#93 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM | Reply

Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live.

Nothing illustrates this better than California or NYC or Chicago etc. One Party governance means politics controls and stifles and corrupts and nothing positive happens except for pols getting rich. They have never worked to make society safer (crime, natural disasters, or cohesion. As long as the controllers know they will be reelected they do nothing to improve.

California was the Golden State only when they had two party governance. Politicians need to fight for excellence not same ole, same ole.

#94 | Posted by Robson at 2025-01-08 06:11 PM | Reply

The repugs have unleashed climate change on the planet and this is the result.

#95 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 06:17 PM | Reply

Cali governor Newsome in 2021 said fire preparedness would improve under Biden.

#96 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 07:19 PM | Reply

Trump is blaming California Governor Gavin Newscum (as he calls him) for the fire disaster in Los Angeles, claiming that the Governor is responsible for there being low water pressure in the city's fire hydrants. Once again Trump went off on a rant about how Newsom has turned-off a 'giant faucet' preventing water flowing through the state. He also declared that once he's back in the White House, he'll order that that 'faucet' be turned back on and California's water problems will be solved. What Trump failed to mention is that since July, the start of the current rain reporting season, L.A. County has gotten 0.16 inches of rain, when normally by this date, the average rainfall has been 4.56 inches.

OCU

#97 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Listen here you mouth-breathing retarded MAGAT ----- - this was a generational wind event.
100 mph gusts. You cannot prepare for something of this magnitude.
So go ---- yourselves.

#98 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-08 07:30 PM | Reply

@#90 ... Anytime a state, city or whatever is led or controlled by a single political party it will inevitably be a costly pathetic place to live. ...

OK,

Now your bot about the red-controlled states here in the US.

(OK, I have to ask ... does your alias even read what it posts? Or are the comments just a copy 'n' paste from ChatBot?)


#99 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 07:31 PM | Reply

#96 | Posted by visitor_

He was right, if only because Biden wouldn't have (and didn't) do any of the following that Trump did during his presidency:

Threatened to withhold federal funding: Trump repeatedly threatened to cut off federal aid to California for wildfire management and recovery efforts. In January 2019, he tweeted that he ordered FEMA to stop sending money to California "unless they get their act together."

Promoted misinformation: Trump consistently blamed California's wildfires on poor forest management while downplaying or denying the role of climate change. He suggested impractical solutions like raking forest floors, which experts criticized as reflecting a lack of understanding of wildfire science.

Politicized natural disasters: Trump used wildfire crises to attack California's Democratic leadership, particularly Governor Gavin Newsom, instead of focusing on collaborative solutions, which he continues to do this very day. This politicization distracted, and continues to distract, from effective wildfire preparedness efforts.

Delayed emergency responses: In 2020, Trump initially refused to grant California an emergency declaration to respond to deadly wildfires, taking days to publicly address the situation before eventually approving the declaration.

Despite these improvements, there are still fires. But that's California and the west in general. Natural disasters like wildfires require multi-layered risk mitigation strategies, acknowledging that while complete prevention isn't always possible, strategic preparedness can substantially minimize potential destruction.

Undermined climate action: By consistently denying the link between climate change and worsening wildfires, Trump hindered efforts to address root causes of increased fire risk in California.

By not actively opposing California's efforts and by supporting climate action, the Biden administration has allowed the state to make progress in its wildfire preparedness initiatives.

Are you unable to recognize that the current wildfires would have been worse without Governor Newsom's efforts and President Biden's support, which stands in stark contrast to Trump's approach?

#100 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#96 ... governor Newsome in 2021 said fire preparedness would improve under Biden. ...

Is this current situation so dire that the improvements made have been overwhelmed?

It's not 'traditional' wildfire season - so why have the California fires spread so quickly?
news.sky.com

... What caused the California wildfires?

There are currently three wildfires torching southern California. The causes of all three are still being investigated.

The majority (85%) of all forest fires across the United States are started by humans, either deliberately or accidentally, according to the US Forest Service.

But there is a difference between what ignites a wildfire and what allows it to spread.

However these fires were sparked, other factors have fuelled them, making them spread quickly and leaving people less time to prepare or flee.

The main culprit so far is the Santa Ana winds. ...

What are Santa Ana winds?

So-called Santa Ana winds are extreme, dry winds that are common in LA in colder winter months.

The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection warned strong Santa Ana winds and low humidity are whipping up "extreme wildfire risks".

Winds have already topped 60mph and could reach 100mph in mountains and foothills - including in areas that have barely had any rain for months.

It has been too windy to launch firefighting aircraft, further hampering efforts to tackle the blazes.

These north-easterly winds blow from the interior of Southern California towards the coast, picking up speed as they squeeze through mountain ranges that border the urban area around the coast.

They blow in the opposite direction to the normal onshore flow that carries moist air from the Pacific Ocean into the area. ...



imo, a good article, worth a read if you are interested.


#101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 07:39 PM | Reply

These aren't even close to the normal Santa Ana winds. Last time we had a wind event like this was 2011.

#102 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-08 07:52 PM | Reply

11 months ago Cali had record rain falls and snow melt but they let it flow into the ocean. Most of Cali is a desert and instead of building more reservoirs they've been tearing down dams and reducing capacity.

#103 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:06 PM | Reply

Trump Resisted Sending Aid After California Wildfires

www.nytimes.com

That's typical for the orange diaper sniper.

#104 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 08:08 PM | Reply

@#103 ... 11 months ago Cali had record rain falls and snow melt but they let it flow into the ocean. ...

... and the point of your alias' comment is?


That California should build infrastructure to capture rare water events?


What's yer point?

#105 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 08:16 PM | Reply

@#103 ... they've been tearing down dams and reducing capacity. ...

Have the dams taken down affected the Los Angeles area?

#106 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 08:19 PM | Reply

Gasligher: ... and the point of your alias' comment is? That California should build infrastructure to capture rare water events?

Yes, obviously.

Gaslighter: Have the dams taken down affected the Los Angeles area?

Obviously.

#107 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:34 PM | Reply

#107

What's so obvious about it? Be specific.

#108 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 08:36 PM | Reply

What's so obvious about it? Be specific.

Obviously dams on the Klamath River in far northern CA and Idaho affect LA. It's only six hundred miles away.

#109 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 08:43 PM | Reply

When was the last time a new water reservoir was built in Cali? The 70's?

What kind of preventative forest management measures do they take to preemptively mitigate the size of a fire? Things like brush clearing, controlled burns in select areas to clear out natural fuel and act as a roadblock for a raging fire? Cutting down old trees which are more prone to proved fuel?

Are they doing any of these things?

#110 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 08:47 PM | Reply

You make a convincing case for mismanagement and inadequate infrastructure.

#111 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:52 PM | Reply

#111 is for gaslighter and redial.

#112 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:55 PM | Reply

11 months ago Cali had record rain falls and snow melt but they let it flow into the ocean. Most of Cali is a desert and instead of building more reservoirs they've been tearing down dams and reducing capacity.

#103 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 08:06 PM

The link below takes you to a page that shows the current (updated daily) water supply levels in all of the major reservoirs in California. If you look you will see that most of them are at or above their historical averages for this date.

Sorry, California has been doing a relatively good job of managing their water supplies when you consider the number of people who live here and the amount of agriculture here in the state.

cdec.water.ca.gov

Disclaimer: We live in Southern California and have for the last 44+ years.

OCU

#113 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 08:56 PM | Reply

Are you aware that firefighters are having difficulty getting access to water?

#114 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 09:04 PM | Reply

" Sorry, California has been doing a relatively good job of managing their water supplies when you consider the number of people who live here and the amount of agriculture here in the state"

Which causes me to circle back to one of my questions:

When was the last time Cali built a new reservoir?

I'll provide the answer after a quick search ...

#115 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:04 PM | Reply

When was the last time a new water reservoir was built in Cali? The 70's?

Those are expensive. Why go to all the cost and trouble when you can just open Lewzer's giant faucet and bring the Columbia River to LA?

Resolving the water crisis in California is going to be the greatest single accomplishment in Lewzer's first month in office. I might even drive down to watch the faucet turning events.

#116 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 09:05 PM | Reply

Answer: The last major reservoir built in California was New Melones Lake in 1979:

#117 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:05 PM | Reply

In 1979 the Cali population was a little over 23 million. In 2024 the population was 34.4 million.

Part of the problem is obvious. More reservoirs are needed. Population has increased 67.4% since the last reservoir was built.

Yet every year snow melt and rain just flows into the Pacific.

#118 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:09 PM | Reply

And keep in mind that during the first Trump presidency he continuously harped on California and it's leaders over their 'mismanagement' of the state's forestland. What Trump and most people fail to acknowledge is that the state has control over very little acreage. In fact, Sacramento only has direct control of 2% of the state. 50% is privately owned and 48% is under the control and management of the federal government. So if you want to blame Newsom or the Democratic controlled legislature, just keep in mind that 98% of the state is outside their control.

OCU

#119 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 09:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#118

Now do almonds.

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:10 PM | Reply

@#1118 ... More reservoirs are needed. ...

But that would be government spending.

Mr Musk's DOGE would not approve.

#121 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 09:10 PM | Reply

The last major reservoir built in California was New Melones Lake in 1979

How many have been built since then in any state? And again, why not just open the giant Lewzer faucet?

#122 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 09:12 PM | Reply

And 85% of the time, per link provided by LAMPY, the cause of the fires is human-based, either through arson or incompetentance (i.e., utility companies).

"Buh buh buh...muh Gavun!"

#123 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:13 PM | Reply

" But that would be government spending.

Mr Musk's DOGE would not approve.

#121 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2025-01-08 09:10 PM | FLAG: "

Maybe use the funds from the high speed rail boondoggle that never happened. I know, I know. Crazy talk!

#124 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:13 PM | Reply

@#118 ... Part of the problem is obvious. ...

Yup.

The apparent false equivalence of the long-term problems of northern California farmers with the short-term problem of the Los Angeles area.


#125 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 09:13 PM | Reply

" The last major reservoir built in California was New Melones Lake in 1979
"-
How many have been built since then in any state? And again, why not just open the giant Lewzer faucet?

#122 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2025-01-08 09:12 PM | FLAG: "

Fair question. So, I looked up the first dry arid state that popped into my head - Texas. And did a quick search

Answer: The most recent major reservoir built in Texas is Bois d'Arc Lake, which was completed in 2021:

#126 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:18 PM | Reply

Crazy talk!
#124 | Posted by BellRinger

Indeed. Nice self own.

#127 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why would the Federal government be responsible for building resevoir?

#128 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 09:20 PM | Reply

#126

How much of Texas is non-federal?

#129 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:20 PM | Reply

the cause of the fires is human-based, either through arson or incompetentance

The source if ignition really doesn't matter. The conditions that accelerate the fire do. Would this fire be any different if it was started by lightning or Oprah's Cybertruck?

#130 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 09:20 PM | Reply

Why would the Federal government be responsible for building resevoir?
#128 | Posted by visitor_

It's their land. LOL

#131 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:20 PM | Reply

Would this fire be any different if it was started by lightning or Oprah's Cybertruck?
#130 | Posted by REDIAL

In terms of blame at the feet of the governor, that's all that matters. IOW, preparation is the only control he has. The actual ignition and the subsequent fanning of flames? He clearly has zero control over. Hence, the idea Newsom is to blame for this is absolutely idiotic.

#132 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:22 PM | Reply

If you lived in California you'd know that many of the cities and municipalities have been working very hard to improve their water systems with an eye on conservation. For example, we live in a city, Irvine, which recycles our waste water. Currently the water coming from the city's sewer system is treated and then reused for agriculture and to water green belts and common spaces. Also, large buildings, such as offices and schools, have two water supplies, a potable water line for drinking water, and a 'gray water' line for toilets and such (in an office building or school, the largest user of water is flushing toilets). The current plan is to improve the water treatment facilities so that in the near future, even the potable water will include recycled water which has been purified to the point where it'll be indistinguishable from the fresh water supplied from the California water system.

OCU

#133 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#127 ... Indeed. Nice self own. ...

So, I'm not the only one who noticed that.

#134 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 09:26 PM | Reply

#133 Ocuser

That's all well and good. However, even setting aside wildfires, in a state that has grown its population 67% without building a new reservoir seems like poor resource and priority management to me.

It's not even about blame. To me the issue is: this is a problem. How do we go about fixing it?

#135 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 09:37 PM | Reply

Speaking of states where the population has grown, what has Florida done to mitigate the impact of hurricanes? Or places like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc, when it comes to tornadoes?

OCU

#136 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-08 09:41 PM | Reply

-Or places like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc, when it comes to tornadoes?

Better Warning systems, storm shelters, etc but not much beyond that.

While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on those states?

How often is this area of LA exposed to these conditions?

Very low humidity
High winds

I'm not bitching about local and state govt. just asking ... .

#137 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 09:48 PM | Reply

How do we go about fixing it?
#135 | Posted by BellRinger

Since you seem sincerely interested in providing receipts, dig into the California state politics since around 1996 as it relates to this topic. This is nothing new and clearly panaceas are nonexistent. So what does that tell you? IOW, it should explain why a solution hasn't been found. And if you think that matter is solely partisan, I've got a bridge to sell you.

#138 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:51 PM | Reply

While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on those states?

How often is this area of LA exposed to these conditions?

Very low humidity
High winds

I'm not bitching about local and state govt. just asking ... .
#137 | Posted by eberly

Santa Ana winds like we are currently experiencing are rare.

Now I propose the same concept to you: While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on the entire state of California, its representatives, and its people? Because that's what's happening, provided by the resident DR Trump cultists, including Trump himself.

Genuinely interested in your response. Thank you I'm advance.

#139 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

major reservoir built in Texas is Bois d'Arc Lake

So equivalent to the 21st largest CA reservoir. Fair enough.

#140 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 09:57 PM | Reply

Since you seem sincerely interested in providing receipts, dig into the California state politics since around 1996 as it relates to this topic. This is nothing new and clearly panaceas are nonexistent. So what does that tell you? IOW, it should explain why a solution hasn't been found. And if you think that matter is solely partisan, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 09:51 PM | Reply

I honestly don't think you could build an infrastructure big enough to deal with these massive wildfires. I honestly don't. It's what happens when you have such a large population in such a big place. It's one of the many hazards of human population.

#141 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@#135 ... in a state that has grown its population 67% without building a new reservoir seems like poor resource and priority management to me. ...

Maybe your current alias should thank the GOP (~reduce state spending~) movement for that?

#142 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:05 PM | Reply

#141 | Posted by LauraMohr

I agree. Especially as it relates to earthquakes or the eventual eruption of Yellowstone.

California has unique natural issues we have to deal with just as Florida has to deal with hurricanes and the Midwest has to deal with tornadoes. Then there's Texas with their issues surrounding freezing temperatures and a poorly protected electrical grid. Some issues can be protected by the State. Some can't. Mitigation is the best we got for any state and that only goes so far.

#143 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:05 PM | Reply

Back in October I flew out to San Francisco to go see a show there. While waiting in line to get into the club I was talking to the people in front of me, two of them worked paid gigs for the California Parks system. We had a discussion on controlled burns as during the summers part of their job was to clean up the trails/parks. It was interesting that they said it's not something they ever see occur. They were nice people but this problem can be combatted via controlled burns and other measures to control the fires. The rest of the country does it, so I'm still baffled why California stopped.

#144 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-08 10:08 PM | Reply

Welp, since everyone in Cali has done everything perfectly with no possible room for improvement there's nothing that can be done but watch it burn and send thoughts and prayers.

#145 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 10:09 PM | Reply

and send thoughts and prayers.
#145 | Posted by visitor_

Typical response from a MAGAt regardless of the disaster.

Take'm and shove'em

#146 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:12 PM | Reply

Gaslighter in refernce to #142, when was the last time the Republicans were in control of California?

#147 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-08 10:13 PM | Reply

-Now I propose the same concept to you: While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on the entire state of California, its representatives, and its people?

No. But it's going to happen. We politicize the crap out of everything.

#148 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:14 PM | Reply

California uses controlled burns, also known as prescribed fires, to mitigate wildfires. These carefully planned burns help reduce excess vegetation, which can fuel wildfires, and improve forest resilience. The state has significantly increased its use of prescribed fires, doubling their implementation between 2021 and 2023 and treating over 700,000 acres in 2023[1][2]. However, challenges such as climate change, liability concerns, and limited suitable weather conditions restrict their broader application[3][6].

Citations:
[1]
www.gov.ca.gov
[2] www.fire.ca.gov
[3] newsroom.ucla.edu
[4] ww2.arb.ca.gov
[5] www.savetheredwoods.org
[6] www.nytimes.com
[7] www.mbard.org
[8] cepr.net
[9] www.kqed.org
[10] readyforwildfire.org

#149 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:15 PM | Reply

We politicize the crap out of everything.
#148 | Posted by eberly

You got a mouse in yo pocket?

#150 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:15 PM | Reply

nothing that can be done but watch it burn and send thoughts and prayers.

Don't be silly. Just use the Giant Faucet. Problem solved. Lewzer is on it.

#151 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 10:16 PM | Reply

Gaslighter in refernce to #142, when was the last time the Republicans were in control of California?
#147 | Posted by visitor

^^Ignorant of California politics.

Swallow it.

#152 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:16 PM | Reply

-You got a mouse in yo pocket?

I don't do it. I'm not doing it now.

And the continued insurance problems in CA that are going to intensify? Expect that to be blamed on CA government.

Just like in Florida.

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state --------"?

I forgive you.

#153 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:21 PM | Reply

"Florida has to deal with hurricanes and the Midwest has to deal with tornadoes. Then there's Texas with their issues surrounding freezing temperatures and a poorly protected electrical grid."

All blamed squarely on the state government.

#154 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:22 PM | Reply

All 3 of the fires that started in Ventura County btwn yesterday and today were almost immediately knocked down.
Viewline fire just now - in less than an hour it was stopped.
Also immediately had 2 tankers and 2 helicopters on it.

Wonder why can't LA City couldn't handle the situation?


While these horrible fires are burning, we want to rag on the entire state of California, its representatives, and its people?
No. But it's going to happen. We politicize the crap out of everything.
#148 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I am not ragging on the people, just the politicians that made insanely crazy priority decisions, knowing full well there will be no repercussions for their stupidity.

#155 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:22 PM | Reply

And the continued insurance problems in CA that are going to intensify? Expect that to be blamed on CA government.

They put the cap on it.

You can't NOT prevent fires, then complain insurance is too damn high.

#156 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:23 PM | Reply

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state --------"?

I have never used it.

#157 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I am not ragging on the people, just the politicians that made insanely crazy priority decisions, knowing full well there will be no repercussions for their stupidity."

You're stopping at the pols? Not ragging on the people who voted for them?

Because that's how it goes with blame aimed at red states here

Big of you ... ..

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:25 PM | Reply

-They put the cap on it.

Meaning?

#159 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:26 PM | Reply


You're stopping at the pols? Not ragging on the people who voted for them?

Feel free to point out where I have ever done that?

#160 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:26 PM | Reply

I'm not doing it now.

Neither am I, so who is this we you refer to? Be specific.

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state --------"?
I forgive you.
#153 | Posted by eberly

For what? You're ASSuming I've used the phrase "red state ---- hole"?

Why all the assumptions? California kid here declaring: "I have never used nor even typed the words 'red state ---- hole.'"

Ball's in your court, EB.

#161 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:26 PM | Reply

@#147 ... when was the last time the Republicans were in control of California? ...

Do the Republicans have to be in control of California in order to have a say in the budget?


#162 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:26 PM | Reply

Because that's how it goes with blame aimed at red states here

The only people I rag on in the US are people from Florida, and not because of disasters.

#163 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#162

Exactly

#164 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:27 PM | Reply

"so who is this we you refer to? Be specific"

The DR, pundits everywhere. Trump

#165 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM | Reply

@#148 ... We politicize the crap out of everything. ...

If you are speaking about MAGA, yeah, I would agree.

#166 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All blamed squarely on the state government.
#154 | Posted by eberly

By whome? Be specific.

#167 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM | Reply

Do the Republicans have to be in control of California in order to have a say in the budget?

Yes. In fact, CA is so Democrat, Republicans can't even submit ideas.

#168 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM | Reply

@#163 ... The only people I rag on in the US are people from Florida ...

So funny.

#169 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:29 PM | Reply

-Why all the assumptions?

What assumptions?

It was a question.

So far there is 1 poster who doesn't use that term.

You

Anymore?

#170 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:30 PM | Reply

The DR, pundits everywhere. Trump
#165 | Posted by eberly

And you include yourself in that description yet purposely do not include myself, correct?

#171 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:30 PM | Reply

@#164 ... Exactly ...

One thing I find most curious in the unfortunate LA fires, is how the GOP seems to be backing away from the problem they may have caused.

So typical of the MAGA folk.

Not taking responsibility for ones' actions, but blaming others.

#172 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:32 PM | Reply


-They put the cap on it.
Meaning?
#159 | POSTED BY EBERLY

A price cap? If you don't understand the states interference in the home insurance market, its long and drawn out.

From home insurance, Electricity, Gas the State is driving everything into the ground.

The State wouldn't allow the insurance companies to charge what they felt was needed to keep the homes insured, so they cancelled them.

#173 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:32 PM | Reply

-Feel free to point out where I have ever done that?

I said the opposite.

#174 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:32 PM | Reply

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state --------"?
I forgive you.
#153 | Posted by eberly

To start, that's a baseless assumption. Your statement that you "forgive me" suggests you assume that I've used the phrase "red state --------."

Get it?

#175 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:33 PM | Reply

-Do the Republicans have to be in control of California in order to have a say in the budget?

1 party has a super majority.

Shall I tell you what that means?

I believe rsty is going to slap you with "doesn't understand California politics" any time now.

#176 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:35 PM | Reply

@#168 ... Republicans can't even submit ideas. ...

So, your current alias seems to be saying that the GOP in California cannot even submit a bill in the California legislature?

Yeah, if I may suggest, do try harder to be relevant.

#177 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:36 PM | Reply

#176 | Posted by eberly

You deserve the slap first and foremost, Kansanonian.

#178 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:36 PM | Reply

Rsty, I wasn't sure if you were even from California.

Others like speakstupid and clowncum constantly reference their state while hammering red states.

You can stop victimizing yourself

#179 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:38 PM | Reply

-You deserve the slap

Poor thing ... ..

#180 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:39 PM | Reply

Yes. In fact, CA is so Democrat, Republicans can't even submit ideas.

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:28 PM | Reply

Ahhhhhnold says you're a hack.

#181 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-08 10:39 PM | Reply

You can stop victimizing yourself
#179 | Posted by eberly

^^The irony is rife, Kansanonian! Back to my previous points, any care or interest? Your ignorance and assumptions notwithstanding

#182 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:39 PM | Reply

-So, your current alias seems to be saying that the GOP in California cannot even submit a bill in the California legislature?

Can they get it out of committee?

#183 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:39 PM | Reply

Poor thing ... ..
#180 | Posted by eberly

The mirror is stark, is it not?

#184 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:40 PM | Reply

One thing I find most curious in the unfortunate LA fires, is how the GOP seems to be backing away from the problem they may have caused.

I'm more curious why they are not cheering on Lewzer's Giant Faucet that will fix everything. Water for firefighting, water for farmers? Huge win!

I can only conclude that they want California to fail, so they don't want Lewzer to fix the water problem with the Giant Faucet. They will probably pretend there is no Giant Faucet, and POTUS is just a troll.

#185 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 10:40 PM | Reply

@#176 ... 1 party has a super majority.

Shall I tell you what that means? ...

Yeah, it means that the voters elected that super-majority.

Now, if you want to talk about N.Carolina's gerrymandering to achieve a similar result that the California voters achieved without gerrymandering, I'm all ears.


#186 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can they get it out of committee?
#183 | Posted by eberly

You and Jeffy have some homework to do! I'd suggest going back to at least 1996.

#187 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


-So, your current alias seems to be saying that the GOP in California cannot even submit a bill in the California legislature?
Can they get it out of committee?
#183 | POSTED BY EBERLY

they don't run the committees, much like the Federal level when one party is in charge.

#188 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:43 PM | Reply

@#187 ... You and Jeffy ...

Two of the same?

#189 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:43 PM | Reply

Truth is I don't know if you have similar disdain for red state residents with such a potty mouth.

Then I remember what a hostile swallower you are.

You sure you don't have such a hatred of red state Americans?

But again ... ..I forgive you.

#190 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:44 PM | Reply

-Yeah, it means that the voters elected that super-majority.

So ... ... .no, you don't know what it means.

#191 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:45 PM | Reply

Here's the kicker, CA government is backstopping as an insurer of last resort, and insurance for the insurance companies via FAIR

The claim right now is $52b in losses thus far. FAIR has a surplus of $200mm and only $2.5b in reinsurance.

All of this will have to be covered by State TAX revenues.

#192 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 10:46 PM | Reply

-You and Jeffy have some homework to do!

Regarding what?

Lamp literally doesn't know how a legislature operates at all.

#193 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:46 PM | Reply

-Now, if you want to talk about N.Carolina's gerrymandering

Are you sure you want to go there?

Because I'm doubting you understand what that term means either.

#194 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:51 PM | Reply

@#191 ... So ... ... .no, you don't know what it means. ...

And your current alias says that, why?

#195 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:53 PM | Reply

-your current alias

You're cute.

#196 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:54 PM | Reply

@#193 ... Lamp literally doesn't know how a legislature operates at all. ...

And your current alias says that, why?


#197 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:54 PM | Reply

@#196 ... You're cute. ...

Why thank-you.

Others have told me similar.

But, that deflection aside, what answer does your current alias have to the question I posed in #177?


#198 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 10:59 PM | Reply

Last night in the Los Angeles DWP couldn't turn the fire hydrants on, and even with downed live wires, it didn't turn the power lines off.

According to the @latimes , Bass's pick for manager of the DWP is paid $750,000/yr

Wow nice gig.

#199 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:03 PM | Reply


And your current alias says that, why?
#197 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Its obvious. But the point isn't this is it, its really your avoidance to agree that the State of CA is run by Democrats, and all your deflections haven't proven otherwise.

#200 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:05 PM | Reply

198

Not how it works, little fella.

You can sniff my butt all night.

But your alias can't argue ----.

Just stick to posting decent stories. You can manage that.

But you're so desperate to be in the argument you have to spew the "your alias" crap because the subject is beyond you.

You're cute though.

#201 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:05 PM | Reply

I forgive you.
#190 | Posted by eberly

For what? Be specific and stop playing games. SNOOFY is gone, you don't need to take his place.

#202 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#200 ... Its obvious. ...

Then state it, instead of deflecting to another topic in your current alias' comment.

#203 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 11:15 PM | Reply

@#201 ... You can sniff my butt all night. ...

I do notice that your current alias still has not answered the simple question I asked in my #1776 ...

So, your current alias seems to be saying that the GOP in California cannot even submit a bill in the California legislature?

Why?


#204 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 11:19 PM | Reply

Poor thing ... ..
But again ... ..I forgive you.
You're cute.
You're cute though.
-- EBERLY

Why do you bother responding at all? You're borderline bipolar. It's obvious.

#205 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:20 PM | Reply

Why?
#204 | Posted by LampLighter

See my #205.

#206 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:20 PM | Reply

Regarding what?
#193 | Posted by eberly

The politics surrounding fire mitigation in the state of California since 1996. Are you seriously that slow? Or seriously that insincere? My guess is the latter. What says you?

#207 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:22 PM | Reply

This bears repeating as it hasn't been even commented upon:

California uses controlled burns, also known as prescribed fires, to mitigate wildfires. These carefully planned burns help reduce excess vegetation, which can fuel wildfires, and improve forest resilience. The state has significantly increased its use of prescribed fires, doubling their implementation between 2021 and 2023 and treating over 700,000 acres in 2023[1][2]. However, challenges such as climate change, liability concerns, and limited suitable weather conditions restrict their broader application[3][6].

Citations:
[1] www.gov.ca.gov
[2] www.fire.ca.gov
[3] newsroom.ucla.edu
[4] ww2.arb.ca.gov
[5] www.savetheredwoods.org
[6] www.nytimes.com
[7] www.mbard.org
[8] cepr.net
[9] www.kqed.org
[10] readyforwildfire.org
#149 | Posted by rstybeach11

#208 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:26 PM | Reply

"stop playing games. SNOOFY is gone, you don't need to take his place.

#202 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2025-01-08 11:12 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

That made me spit my drink on my computer screen with laughter, -----

#209 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:32 PM | Reply

-You're borderline bipolar. It's obvious.

You're unhinged with rage and frustration

You're all over the place. You're taking everything personal.

Thin skinned and paranoid.

#210 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:33 PM | Reply

Rstybeach,

From your POV does Cali do an adequate job with forest and water management or does the state have obvious deficiencies that should and can be addressed and fixed?

I am not from California and apparently you are so I'm asking because I'm curious.

#211 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:35 PM | Reply

This bears repeating as it hasn't been even commented upon

We do controlled burns here as well. They are tricky and potentially dangerous. And there ain't much here in the way of populated areas to worry about.

Typically if a wildfire starts in a remote area they just let it burn. Sometimes that goes bad later. Deliberate controlled burns are typically used to firebreak an existing fire that threatens something expensive.

#212 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:35 PM | Reply

-California uses controlled burns,

I take no issue with how CA manages controlled burns.

That's not a retraction.

I never went there. Lamp deflected to how he is clueless about how state government works.

You saw it. You can see he's a moron.

If you genuinely get irritated at ignorance like you pretend to here then you would have bludgeoned lamp to death by now.

I forgive you

#213 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:37 PM | Reply

...or does the state have obvious deficiencies that should and can be addressed and fixed?

Or will Lewzer's Giant Faucet fix it all in a couple of weeks?

#214 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:38 PM | Reply

I make the argument that since the last reservoir was constructed (1979) the state has grown its population by 67%. To me it seems like more reservoirs should have been constructed given that kind of growth and that's just to meet the summer demands of non-emergency water consumption.

As for forestry management, I don't know how they have been managing that and whether or not what they have been doing is reasonably adequate.

So, any light you can shed is greatly appreciated.

#215 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:39 PM | Reply

"I forgive you

#213 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-01-08 11:37 PM | FLAG: "

Akin to: "Swallow it"

Great adaptation!

#216 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:40 PM | Reply

We do controlled burns here as well.

You sure?
www.iawfonline.org

-California uses controlled burns,

No it doesnt,

The Sierra Club sued the Fed to stop burns under a certain size. claiming the process needed a 3.5-year EIS review. Halting burns due to process costs.
Then the State implemented the John Muir Project in 2018 and the Center for Biological Diversity in 2021 pulled the same thing, halting critical fuel reduction plans.

#217 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:41 PM | Reply

216

I been waiting for him to trot that out.

Lamp threw in the towel with his little quip. Done with that ------ for a while.

#218 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:43 PM | Reply

I make the argument that since the last reservoir was constructed (1979)

Its worse than that, 8yrs ago State voted to build more reservoirs, none have been built but money has been allocated.

Lets not forget the HSR, Billions upon Billions, and no track laid.

#219 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:43 PM | Reply

217

Then why is rsty saying otherwise?

#220 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 11:44 PM | Reply

"Then why is rsty saying otherwise?

#220 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-01-08 11:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Hopefully he will provide an answer.

#221 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-08 11:47 PM | Reply

You sure?

Yes.

#222 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:49 PM | Reply

#209 | Posted by BellRinger

w'lcome

#223 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-08 11:51 PM | Reply

Then why is rsty saying otherwise?

Because its like saying CA does one controlled burn, ergo we do controlled burns.

Its not like they don't happen, they do, but they aren't happening at the rate or size needed because of the process.

For instance we did have a controlled burn at the county park, but it didn't burn enough fuel and this past summer it all went up anyway. Threatening homes and properties near the county park. Its really become a problem in the Sierras too.

Even in Canada, as I pointed out to DialAgain, the same rules the SC created here, are happening in Canada and thats why they had such a huge firestorm.

#224 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:53 PM | Reply


Yes.
#222 | POSTED BY REDIAL

See what I mean Eberly, this gives them cover to say "Yes we do" ....

He can't even reply to the link which clearly states Canadian firestorm was caused by lack of fuel control due to legislation changes.

#225 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-08 11:55 PM | Reply

Its worse than that, 8yrs ago State voted to build more reservoirs, none have been built but money has been allocated.

Waste of money when you can just use Lewzer's Giant Faucet. Colombia River flow rate averages a quarter million gallons per minute. That will get those hydrants filled up in no time.

#226 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:56 PM | Reply

Waste of money when you can just use Lewzer's Giant Faucet. Colombia River flow rate averages a quarter million gallons per minute. That will get those hydrants filled up in no time.

Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-08 11:56 PM | Reply

According to Stormy Daniels it's not very big. Just sayin

#227 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 12:00 AM | Reply

'Nut doesn't seem to want to talk about Lewzer's Giant Faucet fix. Why is that? Here's a couple options for him:

1) Lewzer is just lying.
2) Lewzer is just stupid
3) Other

#228 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 12:02 AM | Reply

Redial,

If you are trying to be funny (I just flagged Laura Mohr's #227 as funny) you are failing.

If you are trying to make some kind of a point, you are also failing. Maybe try a different tack.

#229 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-09 12:07 AM | Reply

#228

SO, are you actually blaming this on Trump? This site already has Zed. It doesn't need a clone.

#230 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-09 12:09 AM | Reply

@#213 ... Lamp deflected to how he is clueless about how state government works. ...

Did I?

Or does your current alias just disagree with the post?

#231 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-09 12:09 AM | Reply

@#218 ... Lamp threw in the towel with his little quip. Done with that ------ for a while. ...

Aside from the slur ...

Oh, how with I ever survive? :D

But more curious to me is an apparent ganging together of some aliases this evening.

Coordinated?

I've not a clue.

#232 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-09 12:13 AM | Reply

Maybe try a different tack.

Ok.

#233 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 12:14 AM | Reply

I am not from California and apparently you are so I'm asking because I'm curious.
#211 | Posted by BellRinger

Staying ahead of the drought is always an issue, one in which is difficult to address legislatively.

California has made real progress with laws that promote water conservation and wildfire prevention, but gaps remain. Water-saving rules have helped reduce waste, yet some communities, especially those with aging infrastructure, still need more support. Wildfire prevention has improved too, with power companies now required to take proactive steps, but devastating fires continue to emerge. "Raking the forest floors" is wildly smplistic, but measures such as clearing dry vegetation around homes and infrastructure, expanding fire safety training, and modernizing electricity stations is still needed even after the devastation of the mid-200s.

Building more reservoirs can help by providing water for firefighting, but they're not a cure-all. A truly effective wildfire strategy requires proactive vegetation management, controlled burns, modernized power grids, expanded fire education, and climate action.

californiawaterblog.com
www.fire.ca.gov
lao.ca.gov

All of the above has been funded and initiated, yet fires still burn. This isn't a failure of interest or partisan gridlock -- it's the reality of human limitations against a massive, complex problem. California is the fifth-largest economy in the world, part of the world's largest economic region, yet even with bipartisan efforts spanning decades, from Reagan to Schwarzenegger to Newsom, there's still no simple solution. Out-of-state MAGAts', and Trump's especially, conscious choice to disparage Californians instead of offering empathy is a true encapsulation of why the next four years will be quite difficult for everyone involved.

#234 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 12:19 AM | Reply

Fire Chief complained to the LA Mayor last month about budget cuts limiting her dept. The funds were diverted to help migrants ***
x.com

Just getting worse and worse.

#235 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 12:19 AM | Reply

"Then why is rsty saying otherwise?
#220 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2025-01-08 11:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG:"
Hopefully he will provide an answer.
#221 | Posted by BellRinger

You a recovering Catholic? If not, I challenge you to develop some empathy.

#236 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"234 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 "

Thank you for sharing all of that. Give me a bit to digest it...

#237 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-09 12:27 AM | Reply

"This isn't a failure of interest or partisan gridlock -- it's the reality of human limitations against a massive, complex problem. "

Given what you've produced (and thank you for doing so) I'm inclined to agree, at least to a certain extent.

Sometimes catastrophic events are just that - they happen.

#238 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-09 12:33 AM | Reply

Many forces in nature are beyond human control, and it's often reduced to political blame as if voting a certain way could prevent wildfires, droughts, or hurricanes. It's troubling to suggest that people deserve hardship because of their political choices, especially when those challenges stem from complex environmental factors that no individual, or even the most powerful nation, can fully influence let alone control. Policies CAN help manage risk, but nature remains unpredictable, and no amount of legislation can eliminate all danger or risk. Fires are relatively and traditionally normal, as they are in most healthy ecosystems. Now also consider what it will be like when California and the entire West Coast experience the "big one" (i.e., earthquake) or when Yellowstone blows.

I hope partisanship will be ignored when either of those events inevitably happens.

That's what's truly disturbing to me, reading this stuff on the DR; a certain segment of this most august site refuses to even consider empathy.

#239 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 12:51 AM | Reply

I'm almost certain that empathy won't put out a wildfire. But I'll send thoughts and prayers anyway.

#240 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-09 12:52 AM | Reply

I'm almost certain that empathy won't put out a wildfire. But I'll send thoughts and prayers anyway.
#240 | Posted by visitor_

Wouldn't expect anything else from you anyway, MAGAt.

Swallow it.

#241 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 12:56 AM | Reply

I'm almost certain that empathy won't put out a wildfire.

No. You need rain. Or the winds to stop. Or Lewzer's Giant Faucet.

#242 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 01:00 AM | Reply

Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state --------"?

I forgive you.

#153 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-08 10:21 PM

I've never used that epitaph nor would I ever think of doing so.

OCU

#243 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-09 01:24 AM | Reply

@#153 ... Is there a single poster from CA on this site who doesn't use the term "red state --------"?

I doubt it.

But that seems to be to point of comments here.

It is not about one party or the other having absolute rule.

It is about protecting Americans.



#244 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-09 01:32 AM | Reply

Well my brother in Pasadena CA was evacuated this morning from the assisted living home where he lives. I read all the commentary here about how Cali shoulda duns... coulda duns blah blah blah... from a bunch of sanctimonious dumb@$$e$ who living in the US have benefited from Cali's place in the US economy.

This fire is going to hurt the entire country.

Trumpanzee the king of vindictive... will preside over this nation in the aftermath...

I hope he handles it better than he handled COVID... where like most of the cl0wnflakes posting here... if it ain't happening to me it's not a problem until it is.

#245 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2025-01-09 01:40 AM | Reply

Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass is facing scorching criticism for being AWOL when the fires broke out in the county. She was in Ghana for the new president's inauguration, though her office says she was aware of the fires mid-flight and was hands-on regarding handling the response.

I guaran-GODAM-tee you this will be forgotten soon unlike when Ted Cruz came back to Texas at the beginning of the Texas "freeze"

---2 faced hypocrites / fart breath scum.

#246 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2025-01-09 07:28 AM | Reply

"This isn't a failure of interest or partisan gridlock -- it's the reality of human limitations against a massive, complex problem."

I agree with you completely.

But you might remember that the next time you're out screaming "red state, red state, red state red state"

#247 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:54 AM | Reply

So surprising seeing our rwing scum here politicizing this tragedy because their Traitor in Chief is doing so.

Otherwise they might have acted in unity with their fellow Americans over this natural weather disaster... oh. wait... never mind.
.

#248 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Property taxes pay for city fire department resources. Howard Jarvis and the Voter Revolt called Prop. 13 in '78 created this mess. I was in 8th grade then, and our school district was gutted. Prop. 13 has kept property taxes low and caused the homes in SoCal at inflated value. Fire has revealed the flaws, as it naturally does.

"It's all building up to something. Something that can only be redeemed with fire".

That could be said about modern politics also. We never seem to learn.

#249 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-09 10:10 AM | Reply

Poor Corky_Holiday, he missed the thousands of joyful posts by the lwing scum politicizing every tragedy caused by hurricanes. Surely, he and other DR(L) fellow Americans would have acted in unity here over natural weather disasters. Or maybe he simply forgets DR history? Meh, never mind.

#250 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-09 10:11 AM | Reply

Poor Corky_Holiday, he missed the thousands of joyful posts by the lwing scum politicizing every tragedy caused by hurricanes. Surely, he and other DR(L) fellow Americans would have acted in unity here over natural weather disasters. Or maybe he simply forgets DR history? Meh, never mind.

#250 | Posted by gracieamazed

And can you show any of these "thousands of joyful posts"?

Are these posts in the room with you now?

Might be time to up that medication.

#251 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-01-09 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Also that for most practial purposes the state with the very best weather (until recently) was also 'already taken', even back then.

My old grandpappy used his WWI soldiers payout to move the family from Chicago to L.A. back in '36. He did it because "At least out there you can't freeze to death."

#252 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-09 10:20 AM | Reply

Hurricanes are known occurrences that states and Fed Gov plan for... unlike the magnitude and infrequency of a unique weather event in So Cal.

You might have thought of that yourself were you not such a dweeb.

#253 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lee

After a few years in the Silicon Valley I was complaining about the near perfect weather every day!

Couldn't it just rain or something I thought.

#254 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 10:25 AM | Reply

It's what happens when you have such a large population in such a big place.

A place that isn't meant for a large population. Los Angeles is a desert. They had to build an aqueduct from Owens Lake in NoCal to supply the water necessary for growth. The natives knew the place burned frequently. It's like building a community in a flood plain. Nature beats hubris every time.

#255 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-09 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

255

I know I'm a bit of a broken record on this issue, but haven't environmentalists and climate scientists pointed to this area and said it was extremely vulnerable to wildfires like the ones occurring right now?

#256 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 10:42 AM | Reply

#254

I moved to Pennsylvania just to experience living with 4 seasons. California has 2 seasons, Fire and Flood. Phoenix has Warm and Hot. The monotony is revolting, I tells ya. I does something to perspective.

#257 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-09 10:45 AM | Reply

TX and FL have hot and hotter.

I left TX for CA @ 1980 after a record 30 plus days over 100 degrees.

But I also lived in New England for 7 years, so I got all winter I ever needed back then.

#258 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 10:50 AM | Reply

Poor Corky_Holiday, he missed the thousands of joyful posts by the lwing scum politicizing every tragedy caused by hurricanes. Surely, he and other DR(L) fellow Americans would have acted in unity here over natural weather disasters. Or maybe he simply forgets DR history? Meh, never mind.

#250 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED AT 2025-01-09 10:11 AM | REPLY

Produce three. unless you are making stuff up.

#259 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#256

Doesn't take a genius to see that the Los Angeles basin is a natural tinderbox. Just go hiking. When the beetles start eating the dry trees it means they're just like matchsticks. The brush is worse.

#260 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-09 10:53 AM | Reply

#258

We'll eventually get a winter place somewhere down south. I'm never moving to the arid west again.

#261 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-09 10:57 AM | Reply

#261

It actually got to freezing last night here in N Central FL... but that's a rare event.

70's for the weekend.

#262 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 11:02 AM | Reply

It's sad but I've assured by the brain trust on Drudge that no one in California is responsible. There is no human way to avoid or mitigate without climate regulations and taxes. With sufficient reduction in carbon pollution, in only about 150 to 200 years the climate will return to normal so there's no need to adapt in the meantime. So thoughts and prayers.

#263 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-09 11:43 AM | Reply

There is no human way to avoid or mitigate without climate regulations and taxes.

Don't be silly. Lewzer's giant faucet is going to fix it.

#264 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 12:32 PM | Reply

It's sad but I've assured by the brain trust on Drudge that no one in California is responsible.

What is sad is that your hateful brain thinks that way.

Have you been checked for brain worms lately?

...

Lewzer's giant faucet is going to fix it.

#264 | POSTED BY REDIAL

And with giant rakes. And a giant sharpie.

#265 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 01:30 PM | Reply

Prop. 13 has kept property taxes low and caused the homes in SoCal at inflated value.

#249 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-09 10:10 AM

I have to admit that we're benefiting from Prop 13. We purchased our home here in SoCal in 1987, paying $245,000, which we thought was a fortune having moved from Michigan (our house is a single story ranch, four bedrooms, two baths, 1974 square feet, on a 5,250 square foot lot, albeit built by a higher end contractor in 1979 in a gated community with our own pool and tennis(pickleball) courts). Our first year's taxes were $2,450, 1% of the purchase price. Since then, the tax rate remains 1% of the 'assessed' value, which can only increase a maximum of 2% per year, based on the published rate of inflation (many years, the increase was less than 2%). This past year our property taxes were just shy of $5,000, and the value of our house is now listed on Zillow as $1,773,700. However, if we were to sell our house for this amount, the new buyer would have to pay $17,737 in property taxes their first year.

But we have an HOA (Home Owners Association) which assesses us a monthly fee of $220 so that's like an additional $2,640 in 'taxes' per year (which are NOT tax deductible).

OCU

#266 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-09 02:41 PM | Reply

Watching the news coverage, everyone is blaming the liberals in office in Cali for the response. How can you not have water in fire hydrants? The incompetence of progressives is showing now.

#267 | Posted by boaz at 2025-01-09 02:41 PM | Reply

Watching the news coverage, everyone is blaming the liberals in office in Cali for the response. How can you not have water in fire hydrants? The incompetence of progressives is showing now.

Posted by boaz at 2025-01-09 02:41 PM | Reply

Gotta have water for the fire hydrants Dummkopf. God you're just so stupid Boaz. It's sad.

#268 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 02:51 PM | Reply

How can you not have water in fire hydrants?

#267 | Posted by boaz at 2025-01-09 02:41 PM

It's mostly the hydrants that are up on the hillsides in L.A. where it takes much more pressure to keep them supplied, particularly when hundreds of hydrants around the other parts of the city are being used.

OCU

#269 | Posted by OCUser at 2025-01-09 02:53 PM | Reply

How can you not have water in fire hydrants?

Because Democrats won't open the giant Columbia River faucet like Lewzer is going to do. I honestly don't understand why they don't, but that's the issue.

#270 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 02:55 PM | Reply

-The incompetence of progressives is showing now.

I'm not naive enough to believe that if California voters were able to install conservative politicians that all these problems go away.

Or that any of them would change at all.

As it was pointed out earlier, it's a complex problem of a large magnitude.

Local and State government is rightly going to take some heat for this.

But neither you nor I can say with any confidence that political ideology or partisan agendas would change this situation.

#271 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 02:58 PM | Reply

"How can you not have water in fire hydrants?"

The cause is simple. Could happen to anyone anywhere. And often has in a disaster of this magnitude.

Water pressure decreases due to heavy water use. Obviously. Combine that with power outages at the pump stations and you have no water pressure.

"The pipes are only designed to flow so much water," he said. Not only that, Davis says if the power goes out, that impacts the water pumps. "If you lose power to a pump station, that could take away half of what is available. You add fire engines, even homeowners using their hoses from their landscaping lines."

But looking at the actual causes is hard werk!

Easier just to blame them ebil democrats.

#272 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 04:16 PM | Reply

Agitprop werks!

#273 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 04:17 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

#274 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2025-01-09 04:34 PM | Reply

"But looking at the actual causes is hard werk!

Easier just to blame them ebil democrats."

Lazy unintelligent people run to their safe space all the time here

#275 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 05:21 PM | Reply

The cause is simple. Could happen to anyone anywhere. And often has in a disaster of this magnitude.
- donnerbot

Planning and Engineering.

We do this for building airplanes.

Let's say you build on the edge of a place that has highly flammable foliage.

Do you plan on a wild fire?

Why not use fire boats to augment the system, like they did in the 1906 earthquake in SFO?

See it's possible to engineer solutions.

See it's not about looking at things as a D or R, it's is this a case of government mismanagement, it is.

And I believe the other side complaining about it is the only way it changes.

So calling people unintelligent for pointing out mismanagement would indicate a lack of intelligence about what it takes to get things done and managed correctly.

#276 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 05:37 PM | Reply

Planning and Engineering.

Like a giant faucet, for example.

#277 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 05:42 PM | Reply

"We do this for building airplanes."

Right. And that's why airplanes never ever crash or are shot down (accidentally or on purpose).

Because all possible disaster scenarios are accounted and engineered for!

#278 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 05:43 PM | Reply

"See it's possible to engineer solutions."

Yes. Of course it's "possible". But it's not feasible economically.

#279 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 05:45 PM | Reply

"So calling people unintelligent ... "

Struck a nerve did I?

I am calling you stupid for being a Captain Obvious. AFTER the disaster that climate scientists have been warning you about and that you denied ridiculed and poo pooed.

#280 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 05:51 PM | Reply

-But it's not feasible economically.

Why not? California is heralded as the economic explosive juggernaut that it is.

But according to you, planning, an engineering is not economically feasible?

Again, why not?

#281 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 05:51 PM | Reply

" ... .the disaster that climate scientists have been warning you about .."

Apparently the brilliant folks in California aren't listening to them either

#282 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 05:55 PM | Reply

I mean, is anybody anywhere actually listening to any climate scientists?

#283 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 05:56 PM | Reply

On this we agree Donner, absolutely nothing can be done. Every time it's windy the city will burn down and that's just the way it is.

#284 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-09 05:58 PM | Reply

80 mile an hour winds is "windy"

you are a joke.

#285 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 05:59 PM | Reply

I'd say anything over 50 mph is windy.

#286 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-09 06:04 PM | Reply

Re 285

100 mph winds. Hurricane force winds in winter. Yeah. Everyone should have known better!

Eberly..Republican cooperation is required to do anything about spending funds to prepare for the predicted extreme climate change weather events.

How's that working out for us?

#287 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 06:08 PM | Reply

I'd say anything over 50 mph is windy.

#286 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

So. Up to 50 is just breezy then?

Is this where you maggats amaze us with your knowledge of meteorology terms?

Wind speed descriptions
Breezy: Sustained winds of 15"25 mph
Windy: Sustained winds of 20"30 mph
Very windy: Sustained winds of 26"39 mph
High winds: Sustained winds of 40"57 mph
Extreme winds: Sustained winds of over 58 mph
Hurricane-force winds: Sustained winds of 74 mph or greater

#288 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 06:13 PM | Reply

Apparently the brilliant folks in California aren't listening to them either

#282 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The brilliant folks ARE listening.

Unfortunately they are not the ones making the fiscal decisions.

It's the politicians and mostly the ones of a certain reddish ideology that refuse to listen or help us get ready.

So I guess we just to learn the hard way. As usual.

#289 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 06:20 PM | Reply

-Eberly..Republican cooperation is required to do anything

First of all, I'm not pointing the finger at Democrats for anything. I'm not blaming liberalism or progressiveism for any of this.

The Democrats have a super majority in the legislature in California, since you brought it up.

What cooperation do you need from Republicans to get something done?

#290 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 06:23 PM | Reply

It's telling the only objection with #284 is my use of the word 'windy'. Just substitute 'windy' with 'high winds and above' and we should be good.

#291 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-09 06:27 PM | Reply

-But it's not feasible economically.

Adding pipes, and connectors that run from the sea to the gray water system, so the FireBoats can jack in is expensive?

LA spends $750,000 a year on the head of the DPW salary. When did price ever mean anything?

Lets be clear on what a FireBoat is, NYC has a couple of them they are used for this purpose, they pump 50,000 gallons a minute each.

Its a cheap solution, but my guess is some smart civil engineer can come up with something even cheaper.

#292 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:29 PM | Reply

Struck a nerve did I?

No, Eberly did, you could raise my heart rate. You're to stupid to understand the rest of my diatribe.

I'm not blaming liberalism or progressiveism for any of this.

I am blaming the people in charge from top to damn near leaf node.


It's telling the only objection with #284 is my use of the word 'windy'. Just substitute 'windy' with 'high winds and above' and we should be good.
#291 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

.
Regardless, its not like SantaAna's are new. The bringing up the wind is just another excuse, which appears to be all these people have is excuses for the release of 5years of CO2.

They weren't prepared, they didn't shut of power or gas. OrangeCounty had the same number of fires, and winds and put them out successfully.

#293 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:35 PM | Reply


Like a giant faucet, for example.
#277 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Have you ever seen a fire boat?

#294 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:35 PM | Reply

-The brilliant folks ARE listening.

Do we even live in Pacific Palisades?

LOL

#295 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 06:35 PM | Reply

First of all, I'm not pointing the finger at Democrats for anything. I'm not blaming liberalism or progressiveism for any of this.

Interesting. Dems have a supermajority but it's not their fault? Even a little? I wouldn't say that. They should share the blame. But they still need republicans support for big ticket fiscal items requiring tax increases. To even pass propositions you will need republican support.

Dems have a major part to play too. But without republican cooperation Dems still can't pass some things unless they all stick together. Being a real "big tent" party with lots of competing interests that is actually rare.

For example: The annual budget package generally may be passed by a simple majority vote of each house of the Legislature, as determined by Proposition 25 of 2010. In contrast, any tax increase required for additional spending increases requires a two-thirds vote of each house under the provisions of Prop. 26 of 2010. Prop. 26 expanded the definition of a tax increase and thus the scope of the two-thirds vote requirement, which was originally imposed by Prop. 13 of 1978.

#296 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 06:39 PM | Reply

You think building a water system for wildfires would be expensive ....

Biden: I'm announcing that the federal government will cover 100% of the cost for 180 days. This is going to pay for things like debris and hazard removal, temporary shelters, first responders salaries, and all necessary measures to protect life and property.

#297 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:40 PM | Reply

Have you ever seen a fire boat?

#294 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Have you ever tried to convince anybody to buy one that may or may not ever be used?

#298 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 06:42 PM | Reply

Adding pipes, and connectors that run from the sea to the gray water system, so the FireBoats can jack in is expensive?

LA spends $750,000 a year on the head of the DPW salary. When did price ever mean anything?

Lets be clear on what a FireBoat is, NYC has a couple of them they are used for this purpose, they pump 50,000 gallons a minute each.

Its a cheap solution, but my guess is some smart civil engineer can come up with something even cheaper.

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:29 PM | Reply

Good God you're just so stupid. You'll destroy a lot of fire fighting equipment if you use sea water to fight these fires. Salt water is highly corrosive to the equipment. You have no clue do you??

#299 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 06:44 PM | Reply

But they still need republicans support for big ticket fiscal items requiring tax increases.

Nope ... Remember Newsom took the Democracy to court and won.
calmatters.org

Prior to Prop. 26, bills that increased some taxes but reduced others by an equal or larger amount could be passed by a simple majority vote of each house.

Annual budget package may be passed by a simple majority vote, of each house of the Legislature, as determined by Proposition 25 of 2010.

To even pass propositions you will need republican support.

Nope.

Do you even know whats happening in Sacramento?
calbudgetcenter.org

#300 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:45 PM | Reply

Good God you're just so stupid. You'll destroy a lot of fire fighting equipment if you use sea water to fight these fires. Salt water is highly corrosive to the equipment. You have no clue do you??
#299 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Three things to reply to the ignorant.

1. Design for salt water.
2. Flush fresh water through it after use, Sailors have been doing this for decades.
3.Whats cheaper? $52Billion in insurance the State is on the hook for or new fire engine pumps?

Your ability to think problems through is incredibly short sighted.

#301 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:48 PM | Reply

fake immigrant has all the answers folks. hes a genius!

#302 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 06:51 PM | Reply

5Years of CO2 was calculated to have been released by just the palisades fire.

Whats that cost to the global climate financing? 10 fire engine pumps, seems like a good trade off.

But you aren't really interested in preventing Climate change really are you, you just can't accept the mismanagement that happened?

#303 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:51 PM | Reply

But you might remember that the next time you're out screaming "red state, red state, red state red state"
#247 | Posted by eberly

Is that something I normally do? Or is that a warning to the unspecified individuals on the DR your throwing accusations at?

#304 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 06:53 PM | Reply

immigrant has all the answers folks. hes a genius!

I just read about US history, and the 1906 earthquake. Someone else solved the problem.

I suppose people here in the US don't read their own history much.

#305 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 06:53 PM | Reply

fake immigrant has all the answers folks. hes a genius!

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 06:51 PM | Reply

He's talking out of his keister. He always is.

#306 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 06:53 PM | Reply

if you dump tons of salt water on the fires nothing will grow in california for decades.

you are elon musk stupid, oneironut.

#307 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 06:55 PM | Reply

If you dump tons of salt water on the fires nothing will grow in california for decades.

you are elon musk stupid, oneironut.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 06:55 PM | Reply

YESSSSSSS That too.

#308 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 06:57 PM | Reply

#271 | Posted by eberly

Wildfires have been a persistent challenge in California under both Republican and Democratic leadership. Significant fires, such as those in 2007 during Republican control following Gray Davis's recall, demonstrate that no single party has had a complete solution. Addressing wildfires requires ongoing bipartisan collaboration, as neither side has presented a definitive fix. Reducing such disasters to political talking points oversimplifies a complex, longstanding issue.

Disaster politicization is nothing but basic trolling (not accusing you, just inserting context).

#309 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 07:09 PM | Reply

Again, why not?
#281 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:
(Choose)
" ... .the disaster that climate scientists have been warning you about .."
Apparently the brilliant folks in California aren't listening to them either
#282 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:
(Choose)
I mean, is anybody anywhere actually listening to any climate scientists?
#283 | Posted by eberly

You've got some homework to do. California state politics going back to at least 1996. Maybe you'll get a clue, especially as it relates to climate science.

#310 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 07:14 PM | Reply

How certain are you that the amount of salt in seawater to put out a fire would kill all plant life for decades?

#311 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-09 07:16 PM | Reply

So many posts on a thread about fires in Los Angeles proves how obsessed we all are with California.

#312 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-09 07:18 PM | Reply

#299 Do you know how ships fight fires?

#313 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-09 07:21 PM | Reply

the amount of salt in seawater to put out a fire

Fighting a wildfire with a fireboat is just pissing in the wind anyway.

The fire will go out when either the wind stops, it burns all the fuel, or it rains.

#314 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 07:36 PM | Reply

BTW adding salt water to fire fighting adds another danger to the mix. Electrocution around live electricity. Just sayin.

#315 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 07:50 PM | Reply

For a significant amount of time, the winds were so bad that they were unable to fly the air tankers typically relied upon to contain the fire in its first stages. This gave the fires a good 24-hour headstart before these crafts were allowed to fly.

And while fireboats are invaluable for firefighting in maritime and urban waterfront areas, their utility in combating wildfires in regions like Los Angeles is limited due to geographical and environmental constraints. Fireboats are designed for operations in harbors and ports, not on open beaches or rugged shorelines with consistent and unpredictable currents and waves. Their size and design make it difficult to navigate shallow or rocky coastal areas where wildfires can occur.

#316 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 07:52 PM | Reply

how obsessed we all are with California.
#312 | Posted by ClownShack

It's a really cool state. And is home to more Republicans than any other state in the U.S. One would think the DR resident MAGAts would have more empathy for their political breathren, instead of playing into disaster politicization as though they have some sort of score to settle.

#317 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 07:55 PM | Reply

It's a really cool state. And is home to more Republicans than any other state in the U.S. One would think the DR resident MAGAts would have more empathy for their political breathren, instead of playing into disaster politicization as though they have some sort of score to settle.

Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 07:55 PM | Reply

MAGAts are Cultists. They follow the cult leader blindly without question.

#318 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 08:00 PM | Reply

Using fireboats to put out these raging wildfires is akin to pissing in a raging bonfire hoping to put it out. Just sayin

#319 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 08:04 PM | Reply


Using fireboats to put out these raging wildfires is akin to pissing in a raging bonfire hoping to put it out. Just sayin
#319 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

They did it in 1906. Two boats, 100,000 gl/min isn't "pissing in a bonfire"

Again you got nothing, just saying

#320 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 08:18 PM | Reply

If you dump tons of salt water on the fires nothing will grow in california for decades.

Costal plants have adapted to levels of salt, all the invasive species will not be able to grow for about two years.

Win Win

What else do you have? Tell me you have more.

#321 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 08:19 PM | Reply

Do Americans even have science and history anymore?

Cuz I am not seeing it.

#322 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 08:21 PM | Reply

-California state politics going back to at least 1996.

I'm not doing anything.

If you think you know something ... ... then let's hear it.

I'll wait

#323 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 08:26 PM | Reply

312

It's a really really big fire ... ...

#324 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 08:27 PM | Reply

They did it in 1906.

I never studied history. Were there 100 mph winds and a drought associated with that earthquake?

#325 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 08:28 PM | Reply

"Dems have a supermajority but it's not their fault? Even a little? I wouldn't say that. They should share the blame."

The leadership deserves the blame.

Not liberalism.

#326 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 08:31 PM | Reply

Not liberalism.

#326 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Depends ... did liberalism support HSR, Illegal Immigration over say, citizen safety?

#327 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 08:50 PM | Reply

It's a really really big fire ... ...
#324 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's several different fires. All popping up within the past 48 hours.

Luckily most have been brought under control.

Unfortunately there's been major devastation.

The pacific palisades one is still going strong.

There also been footage of idiots starting fires around the city.

For me, Raegan shutting down mental healthcare facilities will always be his legacy.

He really hurt society when he eliminated safety net for the mentally unstable.

#328 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-09 08:53 PM | Reply

Given crime, homelessness, and drug use, on top of fire negligence, are these liberal policies?

OR are they the leadership?

Can you characterize difference?

People here do they support all the crime, homelessness, and drug use? Is the fire negligence just exposure of policies that Liberalism doesn't care about citizens?

#329 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 08:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hows the distinction between say SMELT and farmers in regards to water?

How about the LA Mayor going to Ghana inaguration, vs going to the US inaguration?

Is that Liberalsm or leadership, how do you distinguish?

#330 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 08:55 PM | Reply

Is CAPing home Insurance policies Liberalism?

Is ignoring why there are devastating wildfires ONLY in CA and Canada Liberalism or leadership?

#331 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 08:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Is Eberly saying all the Lumpers here defending leadership aren't really defending Liberalism?

Seems like it, but I am sure Eberly can discern for me the difference?

#332 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 08:58 PM | Reply

1LumpOfTrump is on a roll.

Yes, fires and high winds are liberal policies.

#333 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-09 08:59 PM | Reply

1LumpOfTrump is on a roll.

Yes, fires and high winds are liberal policies.

#334 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-09 08:59 PM | Reply

fake liberal.

#335 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 09:00 PM | Reply

Is ignoring why there are devastating wildfires ONLY in CA and Canada Liberalism or leadership?

Are you being sarcastic, or are you really this dumb?

#336 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-01-09 09:00 PM | Reply

Are you being sarcastic, or are you really this dumb?

Posted by horstngraben at 2025-01-09 09:00 PM | Reply

He's a Trumper and a blooming Dummkopf. Need I say any more??

#337 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 09:06 PM | Reply

"For me, Raegan shutting down mental healthcare facilities will always be his legacy.

He really hurt society when he eliminated safety net for the mentally unstable."

1. What's the relevance?
2. If that mattered to Californians then your democratically elected government would have opened them back up sometime in the past 40 years.

#338 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:08 PM | Reply

-Is Eberly saying all the Lumpers here defending leadership aren't really defending Liberalism?

I'm saying they are defending liberalism but NOT the leadership.

The leadership will get skewered regardless

#339 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:13 PM | Reply

Is the following leadership or liberalism

"Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place."
~ LAFD head of DEI.

#340 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:15 PM | Reply

I'm saying they are defending liberalism but NOT the leadership.

Then they deserve to be hung from the cross Jesus was.

#341 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:15 PM | Reply

-Is CAPing home Insurance policies Liberalism?

Yes but I'm specifically talking about efforts to properly manage a fire dept and mitigation efforts towards prevention

#342 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:20 PM | Reply

Jesus was hung. Amen!

#343 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-09 09:21 PM | Reply

I'll wait
#323 | Posted by eberly

It's a bipartisan issue. Anything else you need?

#344 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 09:21 PM | Reply

The leadership deserves the blame.
Not liberalism.
#326 | Posted by eberly

Apparently you need more. But too lazy to inform yourself?

#345 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 09:22 PM | Reply

I don't need anything.

You're the one crying you know so much.

"It's bipartisan"

clap clap

#346 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:24 PM | Reply

1. What's the relevance?

The answer you seek is in the post you're responding to.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

"There also been footage of idiots starting fires around the city."

These people belong in mental institutions.

2. If that mattered to Californians then your democratically elected government would have opened them back up sometime in the past 40 years.
#338 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You're right. It's definitely democrats' fault.

Thanks for your input.

#347 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-09 09:25 PM | Reply

-Apparently you need more

Huh? What do I need?

#348 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:26 PM | Reply

Then they deserve to be hung from the cross Jesus was.

POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT AT 2025-01-09 09:15 PM | REPLY

jesus was hung?

#349 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 09:26 PM | Reply

Amen!

#350 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-09 09:27 PM | Reply

-You're right. It's definitely democrats' fault.

Is that sarcasm?

Lock them up if you want to.

Just convince the legislators and the governor to agree and pay for it.

You have 1 party with a super majority and governor

What more do you need?

Good luck.

#351 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:30 PM | Reply

#338 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Again, do you guys really know your own history?

Who closed mental health hospitals in California? Three guesses, it wasn't Reagan

The patients in the hospitals did by exercising their new freedoms under a landmark California law enacted 50 years ago that created a "Mental Health Patient's Bill Of Rights" that became the model for many other states in this country. You could say mental health patients after the law was passed, voted with their feet: They left their rooms and walked out the hospital's front doors, never to return.
www.ukiahdailyjournal.com

#352 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


jesus was hung?

#349 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

He was.

#353 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:32 PM | Reply

-Who closed mental health hospitals in California? Three guesses, it wasn't Reagan

Don't take their security blanket from them.

They're so desperate to blame their problems occurring today they are willing to drag Ronald Reagan into it.

#354 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:35 PM | Reply

jesus was hung?

#349 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

He was.

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:32 PM | Reply

How big is He hung?? Just curious.

#355 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 09:36 PM | Reply


How big is He hung?? Just curious.

#355 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Like a FireBoat

#356 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:37 PM | Reply

Don't take their security blanket from them.

My bad.

#357 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:37 PM | Reply

#346 | Posted by eberly

So glad I could teach you something. Your ignorance is a blessing, apparently.

#358 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 09:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW Jesus was never hung from a cross. He was crucified. BIG DIFFERENCE. Just sayin

#359 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 09:40 PM | Reply

BTW Nobody is hung during capital punishment. They are hanged. Just FYI

#360 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 09:42 PM | Reply

I learned a lot tonight.

Ronald Reagan started the fires.

a super majority is "bi partisan"

Can't wait to blame tornadoes, tropical storms and earthquakes on JFK and declare all abortion restrictions in Texas as "bi partisan"

LOL

#361 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-09 09:42 PM | Reply

let the looting begin...

"There were like 100 men arriving in cars and on scooters trying to get into the houses."
x.com

#362 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:47 PM | Reply


BTW Jesus was never hung from a cross. He was crucified. BIG DIFFERENCE. Just sayin
#359 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Who says? Did you see it? Where is the evidence?

This erroneous belief that our Saviour Jesus Christ was crucified on a cross has given rise to superstitious tendencies and practices in Christendom for which there can be no scriptural justification. According to the Scriptures, the instrument upon which Christ was hanged and which in the Gospels is sometimes termed cross; was in fact a tree or piece of wood. And to venerate the cross is idolatrous.
www.mountaingks.org

#363 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:48 PM | Reply

Ronald Reagan started the fires.

The Lumbers and MAGAts love that man. I don't really understand reading my books, didn't understand his Iran actions while Carter was President.

Seems odd. But oh well.

#364 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:50 PM | Reply

Can't wait to blame tornadoes, tropical storms and earthquakes on JFK and declare all abortion restrictions in Texas as "bi partisan"

He was dating stormy women after all.

#365 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:51 PM | Reply

BTW Nobody is hung during capital punishment. They are hanged. Just FYI

WTF is wrong with the English language.

Did you see this? This is how I feel sometimes
youtu.be

#366 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:53 PM | Reply


Like a FireBoat
#356 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT AT 2025-01-09 09:37 PM | FLAG:

Tough crowd, thought this would get a FF.

#367 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:54 PM | Reply

#363

"The God's Kingdom Society is purely a Christian Organisation founded by JEHOVAH, the Almighty God through the instrumentality of Saint Gideon Meriodere Urhobo, of the blessed memory."

from your link to the splinter cult site which is in no way representative of common Christian thought

You should stick to something you know about. Like defeat. And being humiliated constantly.

Just sayin'.

#368 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 09:58 PM | Reply

The Lumbers and MAGAts love that man. I don't really understand reading my books, didn't understand his Iran actions while Carter was President.

Seems odd. But oh well.

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 09:50 PM | Reply

Ronald Reagan was the first to use the MAGA slogan for his first campaign. Clinton was the second one. Trump is the third. Just sayin

#369 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 10:00 PM | Reply

Here's more CA craziness.

60 engines sent yesterday from OR to the CA fires are not on the fire lines..
www.opb.org
Why?

They've been ordered to submit to a DOT inspection in Sacramento that's scheduled for 4:30 pm today.
If they clear the inspection, they'll THEN be able to drive 400 miles to Pacific Palisades.
Talk about "looking a gift horse in the mouth."
Then, on the way home, they get inspected again, and if they get red tagged, it's "fix it before you can return."

Is this liberalism or leadership?

#370 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 10:06 PM | Reply

from your link to the splinter cult site which is in no way representative of common Christian thought

Not scientific at all whats the evidence.

Just sayin.

#371 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 10:06 PM | Reply

King James Bible
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

New King James Version
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree.

Weird.

#372 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 10:22 PM | Reply

The Lumbers

Wood you be more specific please?

#373 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 10:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The LAFD is paying a woman $399,000 a year to lead its DEI bureau, but they can't test hydrants because they lack the resources.

Leadership or Lumpers?

#374 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 10:37 PM | Reply

- hanging on a tree.

The next time you are correct about something.... anything, really, will be the first time.

"AI Overview
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The tree of life and the wood of the cross - The Central ...
Jesus was crucified on a cross, not a tree. The cross was a traditional Roman instrument of execution, where victims were nailed to the cross and left to die."

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#375 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 10:38 PM | Reply


The Lumbers
Wood you be more specific please?
#373 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE A

Sure, please get your lumber out of Corky's ass.

#376 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 10:38 PM | Reply

The LAFD is paying a woman ...

I knew this was all a woman's fault.

This is what happens when you give them rights and treat them like people.

MBGA! (Make Burkas Great Again!)

#377 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-09 10:40 PM | Reply

Sure, please get your lumber out of Corky's ass.

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-09 10:38 PM | Reply

Why are you looking at Corky's ass??

#378 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 10:44 PM | Reply

Almost sounds like someone logged into the wrong fake account.

#379 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-09 10:46 PM | Reply

#376 |

Projecting your sexual fantasies about Alex are not something you should be ashamed about, 1Nut.

It's always being wrong on every topic that's your problem.

Oh, and turning to ad hominem rather than argument when called on you BS.

#380 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 10:47 PM | Reply

r

#381 | Posted by Corky at 2025-01-09 10:51 PM | Reply

It is funny how the American lovers magat scum are always quick to attack first responders in any emergency

#382 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-01-09 10:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why are you looking at Corky's ass??

#378 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 10:44 PM | Reply

He's hungry.

#383 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 11:05 PM | Reply

He's hungry.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-09 11:05 PM | Repl

ROFLMMFAO Giggles.

#384 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-09 11:08 PM | Reply

They did it in 1906. Two boats, 100,000 gl/min isn't "pissing in a bonfire"

Got busy. Missed this particular agitprop/nonsense.

"They" did what?

The 1906 earthquake created a massive fire that burned for three days, destroying over 500 city blocks.

Whatever "they" did could not stop the fires for 3-4 days. And the rain is what stopped those fires. Not fireboats.

The 1906 San Francisco fires were stopped by rain after burning for four days. The fires were a result of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, which broke water mains and left the city without water.

Thousands died. Maybe more than 3,000.
www.britannica.com

#385 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 11:52 PM | Reply

a super majority is "bi partisan"
#361 | Posted by eberly

This is what I'm talking about. Your willful ignorance precedes you.

#386 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-10 02:15 AM | Reply

Fire information - Watch Duty - website and downloadable app for info.

Interview with the founder at:

www.wired.com

#387 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2025-01-10 05:58 AM | Reply

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