Tuesday, September 02, 2025

Trump to Sign Unconstitutional EO to Mandate Voter ID

President also wants to ban most voting by mail in push stemming from baseless claims related to 2020 election loss

Posted by Corky at 05:31 PM | 213 COMMENTS | permalink

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Donald Trump says he is not a dictator. Isn't he?

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-- The Guardian (@theguardian.com) Sep 1, 2025 at 7:00 AM

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"The voting reform push by Trump stems from baseless claims that the 2020 election he lost was stolen from him. Earlier this month, Trump falsely claimed only the US uses mail-in voting. Dozens of countries permit at least some form of mail-in voting."

"Trump himself has cast election ballots by mail. In the 2024 elections, 14 states and Washington DC had voter turnout by mail exceeding 30%, with Trump winning half of those states, including Utah, which had 91.5% vote by mail turnout and whose elections are overseen by Republicans.

Some 36 US states have laws requesting or requiring voters to show identification at the polls, with the remaining states and DC using other forms of identity verification.

Voter fraud is incredibly rare and voter ID laws have been shown to disproportionately impact minorities, low-income individuals and disabled voters."

AND

"Also after the 2020 election, The Associated Press contacted local election officials in six swing states. In their analysis, they found 475 potential voter fraud cases " which amounts to an extraordinarily small percentage of the more than 25 million ballots that were cast in those six states."

MED:
More Epstein Distraction.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-31 04:12 PM

---- off you fat pedo

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-01 01:26 PM

Does congress do anything other than collect paychecks these days?

Republicans have done a fantastic job of proving how absolutely obsolete they are.

Trump rules through EO and the Republican lead Congress and Supreme Court do nothing but suck his dick.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-01 01:29 PM

Lewzer quotes:

"Why Is @BarackObama constantly issuing executive orders that are major power grabs of authority?"

"The country wasn't based on executive orders,"

"Right now, Obama goes around signing executive orders. He can't even get along with the Democrats, and he goes around signing all these executive orders. It's a basic disaster. You can't do it."


For those keeping score, Lewzer has now signed 139 more Executive Orders than Barack Obama did in eight years.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-01 01:58 PM


I am not getting Real ID or a "Voter ID".

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-01 02:27 PM

Why not?

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-01 02:32 PM

Freedom?

I know, so antiquated.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-01 02:35 PM

Not having a real ID is more freedom?

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-01 03:02 PM

Civil Disobedience.

Eb's, I know you only Obey.

No matter how stupid the rules.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-09-01 03:04 PM

So none of you have a real id?

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-01 03:08 PM

So none of you have a real id?

I used to have one but it was a pain in the ass to get and I never bothered renewing it.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-01 03:12 PM

I think most people lie about their civil disobedience.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-01 03:42 PM

Most Republican voters who demand Voter ID are too stupid to ask why Republicans don't support a National Voter ID.

Maybe there's a clever Republican here on the DR who would like to tell us why Republican Leadership is staunchly opposed to a National Voter ID.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-01 03:46 PM


I am not getting Real ID or a "Voter ID".
#5 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Why not, its part of the DL in California, just send in a few more docs.

How do you fly commercial?

I have RealID, use it for flying my plane, among other things.


Most Republican voters who demand Voter ID are too stupid to ask why Republicans don't support a National Voter ID.

It is odd to me why there isn't a National Citizen ID card.
en.m.wikipedia.org

And a standardized Alien card.

#14 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-01 04:00 PM

@#5 ... I am not getting Real ID or a "Voter ID". ...

I have a real ID, just like I have a Passport. To me they are quite similar.

Here is Connecticut, I also have to show an ID in order to vote. I don't have a problem with that because Connecticut makes it easy to obtain a proper ID if you do not have a driver's license.

Therein lies my concern about the Voter ID requirements, some GOP-led states may make it more difficult to obtain a proper ID for those who do not typically vote for the GOP candidates.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-09-01 05:58 PM

Why not?

#6 | POSTED BY EBERLY

"I have a real ID, just like I have a Passport. To me they are quite similar. "

Quite similar? It's the exact same. Same requirements.

It's complete nonsense. A waste of money. And very suspicious as to why it's really needed. So just another database to be hacked or abused by this administration.

My passport works just fine. And in fact may be even more important to me if I decide I've had enough of this BS.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-02 11:37 AM

Better find another country to get a passport from.

#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-02 01:58 PM

I got a realid this year, no big, appointment at the DMV, took 20 minutes.
Passport was more a pain in the ass.

#18 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-09-02 01:59 PM

OK Corky,
#1 - Guardian? Really?
and #2 How is voter ID unconstitutional? Did the foreign-based propaganda tabloid Guardian tell you it was?
BTW you realize that British Press hates all Americans, right? They'll smear your faction as well, when the time comes. Anything to cause US trouble and division, they will do.

#19 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-09-02 06:02 PM

- Guardian? Really?

Attacking the source isn't an argument, it's just another logical fallacies... but hey, you have plenty so why not use them?

Or perhaps you could actually read the article?

- How is voter ID unconstitutional?

Oh, I dunno... the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment... you could start there as you want to 'burden' the voter.... when there's no, none, nada reason to do so as 'Voter Fraud' is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of all votes, SO, A FICTION... and not a serious problem at all... well, only in your Cult Leader's rapidly deteriorating brain.

Then there's the VRA, but it sounds like you've never heard of it.

www.google.com

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-02 06:14 PM

I well and truly despise my government and the ignorant, amoral, ------- magat scum who blindly support all of the destruction of our great nation.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-09-02 06:20 PM

"Trump faces a hurdle in banning mail-in voting: His own Republican Party

Voter turnout by mail exceeded 30% in at least 14 states, and D.C. Trump won half of them, most of which have Republican governors or secretaries of state overseeing elections.

A database maintained by the conservative Heritage Foundation that tracks election fraud cases includes 217 total criminal convictions for election-related fraud between 2020 and 2025. Those figures include all types of violations, not just those related to mail-in ballots.

Despite little hard evidence that rampant voter fraud exists in any form of voting, the idea of "election integrity" has remained the biggest selling point for Trump as he has pushed for sweeping legal reforms and continues to baselessly claim fraud is what cost him the 2020 presidential election."
excerpts

www.nbcnews.com

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-02 06:20 PM

www.youtube.com

#23 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-09-02 06:36 PM

Yeah ID is not a big burden, regardless of inflation pressure.
It's normal to ID for many, many things, yet no one cries constitution foul, except the 'moors' / 'sovereign citizens'.
and America-hating leftists...
Tangenital-ly related, if drinking and driving is prohibited, why do I have to show a driver license to purchase alcohol?
?

#24 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-09-02 06:42 PM

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OMG I forgot all about this song!
Love it!
Thas' a great version of it, too^

#25 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-09-02 06:44 PM

I miss the horns and the sweet bass-lines of the original funk.
Are there horns and sweet bass-lines in that rap song?
You, know, that rap song.
Which one? What, there's more than one?

#26 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-09-02 07:02 PM

The Racism is strong in this one.... I can smell it from here.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-02 07:26 PM

Trump to Sign Unconstitutional EO to Mandate Voter ID

Good! The idiots who let this crook into office have demonstrated they don't deserve the vote.

Let our overseers decide who rules. Since we are clearly incapable of exercising the rights generations fought and died for.

#28 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-02 07:27 PM

eat ----, rex.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-02 07:30 PM

Yeah ID is not a big burden, regardless of inflation pressure.

#24 | Posted by easy_meat

It's as big of a burden as republicans want to make it.

Why is your party always trying to find ways to make it harder to vote?

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-02 07:41 PM

eat ----, rex.

Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-02 07:30 PM | Reply

Why doesn't he get a clue that he isn't wanted here??

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-02 07:46 PM

Why doesn't he get a clue that he isn't wanted here??
#31 | Posted by LauraMohr

Imagine being such a shrinking violet that one only opens their mouth to say what others want to hear. On a discussion site, no less.

And that's how the Dems got their butts kicked in 2016 and 2024. Because they disregarded anything and everything that offended their sensibilities, no matter how rational.

And Trump rode that anti-DEI/anti-trans/anti-BLM backlash right into the White House.

#32 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-02 08:31 PM

Maybe there's a clever Republican here on the DR who would like to tell us why Republican Leadership is staunchly opposed to a National Voter ID.
#13 | Posted by snoofy

Narrator: There was not, in fact, a clever Republican.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-02 08:46 PM

Let our overseers decide who rules
#28 | Posted by censored

Oi Veh, you think they don't already do that?

#34 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-09-03 03:18 AM

Why doesn't he get a clue that he isn't wanted here??

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr

posted by my iPhone from the ladies' room.

#35 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-09-03 03:20 AM

It's complete nonsense. A waste of money.

A governmental program? You don't say...

#36 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-03 08:33 AM

>Let our overseers decide who rules
>#28 | Posted by censored

Oi Veh, you think they don't already do that?
#34 | Posted by easy_meat

And it's thinking like that which got us into the present situation.

Abdication of personal responsibility, letting the perfect be the enemy of the good (or the least worst option). Throwing away votes on third parties or sitting on our butts on election day. And now many of us will find ourselves without that terrible burden of voting or having any control over our own government.

Jill Stein 2028!

#37 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-03 08:33 AM

I love the image of Trump in full dicktator regalia; it's his dream but the outfit needs a big gaudy crown tp cpmplete the preposterous Jack Ass uniform. Do you think he was jealous of the other dicktators who gathered around Xi to ilustrate America's decay, in such a short time, under the erratic leadership of Trump

#38 | Posted by danni at 2025-09-03 08:55 AM

In theory I support this. However the process matters. Elections are run at the state level. He has no authority. It is funny watching lefties decry this after they made a serious attempt at federalizing elections in 2021.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 01:17 PM

they made a serious attempt at federalizing elections in 2021.

#39 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You misspelled standardize.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-03 01:21 PM

It is funny watching lefties decry this after they made a serious attempt at federalizing elections in 2021.
#39 | Posted by BellRinger

There's a difference between making sure people can exercise their Constitutional right to vote, and setting up a system to deprive people of that right. If you don't understand that already, certainly no one here will be able to convince you otherwise.

#41 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-03 01:24 PM

#41. Dude, photo ID is required to purchase alcohol, tobacco, air travel, etc.

I find the argument that minorities are incapable of obtaining ID to be very insulting.

#42 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 01:32 PM

For the record, I am not accusing you persnally of making that argument.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 01:33 PM

Optimally, I think all voting should be in person (that was the case for most of our country's existence) and that ID should be provided to obtain your ballot. However, mail in voting exists in some states. My belief is that a mail in ballot must be requested. Some Democrats favor sending every person a ballot. Thet is a recipe for fraud.

As for me personally, I will only vote in person. It is the most secure way to vote.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 01:39 PM

Jill Stein 2028!

#37 | Posted by censored

(((Jill Stein))) won't be an option, they never front plus she's too old and Pale(((stein))) yapper

#45 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-09-03 02:44 PM

Optimally, I think all voting should be in person (that was the case for most of our country's existence) and that ID should be provided to obtain your ballot. However, mail in voting exists in some states. My belief is that a mail in ballot must be requested. Some Democrats favor sending every person a ballot. Thet is a recipe for fraud.

As for me personally, I will only vote in person. It is the most secure way to vote.

#44 | Posted by BellRinger

For most of our country's existence you rode a horse to the ballot box. Should we mandate that too?

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-03 03:23 PM

We should only allow White people who own horses to vote.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-03 03:25 PM

As for me personally, I will only vote in person. It is the most secure way to vote.

#44 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

How is it even possible that voting from home is less secure than voting in person? Both have safeguards built in but if you have to leave your home to vote there are other added risks and variables that cannot be accounted for or mitigated. Especially if you are older or disabled.

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-03 03:34 PM

I find the argument that minorities are incapable of obtaining ID to be very insulting.

#42 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I find most all your arguments to be counterproductive insulting and retarded.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-03 03:36 PM

Jeffy's arguments are baseless pandering to Trump's Base; the number of actual cases of Voter Fraud in Elections in this country is something like 475 out of over 25 million.... and that was not all mail in ballots.

"Out of more than 25 million votes cast in those six states, the investigation found fewer than 475 potential cases of voter fraud."

"The conservative Heritage Foundation maintains a database of "proven instances of election fraud".
As of December 2024, the database contained over 1,500 cases spanning decades.

While this list is cited by some as evidence of widespread fraud, a close review shows the cases are an infinitesimally small fraction of the billions of ballots cast over that period.

The database also includes a wide range of infractions, not just voter fraud, and many cases are decades old."

www.google.com

Voter Fraud affecting Election outcomes is FAKE NEWS created by Trump as just another Distraction Lie for his extremely gullible Base.

Including JeffJ.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-03 03:46 PM

BullBringer has no idea what the constitution of the United States of America actually says and proves that regularly whenever he decides to defend Republicans or Trump's actions.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-03 03:48 PM

As for me personally, I will only vote in person.

Why? That's stupid.

It is the most secure way to vote.

How do you know? Do you follow the process? Do you watch your vote being registered? Do you watch the registration file all the way to the AG's office?

No, you don't. For all you know all elections could be fraudulent. Would you be surprised?

#52 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-09-03 04:19 PM

" I will only vote in person. It is the most secure way to vote."

It's also the easiest to impede. Bus lines down, construction on the main thru streets, fewer polling places, longer lines.

Your position, literally, is An additional barrier to voting won't be an additional barrier to voting.

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-03 04:56 PM

No, you don't. For all you know all elections could be fraudulent. Would you be surprised?

#52 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

Exactly.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-03 04:57 PM

" As for me personally, I will only vote in person."

Nonsense. The day will come when you can't get to the polls on voting day, for one reason or another. Are you saying you WON'T vote in that Presidential election?!?:

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-03 05:00 PM

#41. Dude, photo ID is required to purchase alcohol, tobacco, air travel, etc.
#42 | Posted by BellRinger

Which one of those is a constitutional right fundamental to the functioning of our democracy? One that can be easily subverted by putting up hurdles after the GOP/Trump SCOTUS rubberstamps the requirement?

Alabama Closes DMV Offices a Year After Voter ID Law Kicks in
What Effect Will Shuttering Alabama DMV Offices Have on Black Voters?
The state has a strict voter ID law, yet more than 30 offices, many of them across the "Black Belt," are set to close.
www.bloomberg.com
Who could have ever imagined it?

And which part of your statement addresses my initial point, that the Feds protecting our Constitutional right to vote is very different from the Feds making it more difficult for people to exercise that Constitutional right?

#56 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-03 05:33 PM

" Why? That's stupid."

No it isn't. I fill out the ballot at the polling station after showing g ID. I feed it into the machine. That is more secure than mail in ballots and any organization that tracks election integrity (have a seance with Jimmy Carter if need be) will tell you that.

#57 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 05:44 PM

" And which part of your statement addresses my initial point, that the Feds protecting our Constitutional right to vote is very different from the Feds making it more difficult for people to exercise that Constitutional right?

#56 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2025-09-03 05:33 PM | FLAG: "

I oppose the feds controlling elections, period. It's a state level issue. Also, proper verification PROTECTS voter rights by maintaining integrity in the process.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 05:46 PM

Also, proper verification PROTECTS voter rights by maintaining integrity in the process.
#58 | Posted by BellRinger

Yes, making it more difficult for hundreds of millions of people to vote for a hypothetical risk (numbering in the thousands over the course of decades) is protecting voter rights.

I bet we could protect voter rights even more by requiring a literacy test. One that I doubt most of us could pass on our best day: allthatsinteresting.com .

#59 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-03 05:53 PM

I oppose the feds controlling elections, period. It's a state level issue. Also, proper verification PROTECTS voter rights by maintaining integrity in the process.

#58 | Posted by BellRinger

Doesn't the fact that people who aren't on the voter rolls can't vote already achieve that goal? Surely you must have some proof or data that the current system isn't working if you want to make it harder.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-03 06:09 PM

" I fill out the ballot at the polling station after showing g ID. I feed it into the machine. That is more secure than mail in ballots"

Link to proof, please.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-03 06:18 PM

60

Just to demonstrate I'm not 100% ------- I'm going to agree with speak here.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-03 06:19 PM

" making it more difficult for hundreds of millions of people to vote for a hypothetical risk"

Showing photo ID is not difficult it. Hundreds of millions of people in this country do it regularly.

#63 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 06:20 PM

" Link to proof, please.

#61 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2025-09-03 06:18 PM | FLAG: "

Ar you actually suggesting that in person voting is LESS secure than mail in voting?

#64 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 06:21 PM

He's asking for a link.

Because everyone knows you're a liar.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-03 06:23 PM

"Look how polite I am while I lie to your face and insult your intelligence."
-BullBringer

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-03 06:24 PM

Being a Trump Cultist is just in such poor taste; it's like dating the ugliest girl in the room because she lies to you about how great you are.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-03 06:27 PM

"it's like dating the ugliest girl in the room because she lies to you about how great you are."

Who are you in this skit?

The cultist or his girlfriend?

#68 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-03 06:30 PM

"Look how polite I am while I lie to your face and insult your intelligence."

Enough about lamplighter.

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-03 06:31 PM

Showing photo ID is not difficult it. Hundreds of millions of people in this country do it regularly.

#63 | Posted by BellRinger

If you have one it's not difficult. How difficult it becomes to get one is all up to republicans.

Now Where is all this voter fraud that requires the fix of voter ID?

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-03 06:33 PM

Ar you actually suggesting that in person voting is LESS secure than mail in voting?

#64 | Posted by BellRinger

They're both secure. Normally if you're going to demand a cure to a problem you need to first show the problem exists.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-03 06:34 PM

#68

What you wrote is not an argument in retort, it is ignoring the proposition.

By asking stupid questions that don't affect the point of what was said.

So, Dad, doesn't Mom monitor your alcohol consumption?

See, there's me doing it.

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-03 06:35 PM

Doesn't the fact that people who aren't on the voter rolls can't vote already achieve that goal?

Fact?? Sure ...

More than 23,000 Californians were registered to vote incorrectly by state DMV
www.latimes.com

Republicans are suing more election officials over voter rolls in several battleground states
www.cnn.com

The question, I have would be why does the US need voter rolls? Why do you need to register?

If you had a VOTERID of some sort (national card or citizen card or whatever) why would you need to have this whole system, which can be undermined?

You show up to vote, your card is your pass, its registered that you voted so you can't vote again... bing bang boom.

For those saying "nothings happened YET", if you have a better idea to keep something safe, the you should always do it. Do you lock your doors at night? Why have you ever been robbed/burglarized? All it would take one election to be seriously contested for the Union to fall apart, are you willing to take that risk?

#73 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-03 06:48 PM


Ar you actually suggesting that in person voting is LESS secure than mail in voting?
#64 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It is important to remember, however, that not everything Republicans propose is voter
suppression and not everything Democrats propose makes fraud easier.

The final report, titled "Building Confidence in U.S. Elections," stressed the
important role of elections in the nation's democracy and made a series of
recommendations, including:
1. A national system to connect state and local voter registration lists
2. Voter identification based on a universally available REAL ID card
3. Policies to improve voter access for all communities, as well as innovations like vote
centers and voter information lookup sites
Stronger efforts to combat fraud, especially in absentee voting
4. Auditable paper backups for all voting technology
www.cartercenter.org

#74 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-03 06:53 PM

The question, I have would be why does the US need voter rolls? Why do you need to register?

#73 | Posted by oneironaut

Good question. Every american citizen has a social security number. That's all that is needed. Anything beyond that is an unnecessary obstacle.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-03 06:53 PM

The final report, titled "Building Confidence in U.S. Elections,"

#74 | Posted by oneironaut

How many authors of that report chose to attack american democracy rather than admit their cult leader lost an election?

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-03 06:54 PM

Will Trump die from insufficient circulation before he's brought to trial for sex trafficking?

These attacks and distractions will merely bring more and more people out to vote directly, imo.

#77 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-09-03 06:59 PM

The question, I have would be why does the US need voter rolls? Why do you need to register?
If you had a VOTERID of some sort (national card or citizen card or whatever) why would you need to have this whole system, which can be undermined?
#73 | Posted by oneironaut

That's a feature, not a bug.

The fact that the GOP wants to require a card to exercise a constitutional right before that card is provided to all voters accomplishes their only goal, which is to make sure that they suppress votes from those who are more likely to go against them.

The GOP has been talking about requiring voter ID for decades. But not once have they taken steps to automatically issue IDs to all citizens entitled to vote.

#78 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-03 07:10 PM

Interesting. According to Pew 81% favorite voter ID.

I was surprised by some of the other categories that have solid support that I'm not aligned with.

See for yourselves:

www.pewresearch.org

#79 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 07:15 PM

Interesting. According to Pew 81% favorite voter ID.

I was surprised by some of the other categories that have solid support that I'm not aligned with.

See for yourselves:

www.pewresearch.org

#79 | Posted by BellRinger

Yeah you can make people favor all sorts of things when you flood their brains with propaganda.

People prefer ice cream to broccoli but that doesn't make ice cream good for you.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-03 07:18 PM

"According to Pew 81% favorite voter ID."

No wonder democrats are such ------- about this.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2025-09-03 07:24 PM

No wonder democrats are such ------- about this.

#81 | Posted by eberly

Eb feels like he's losing. That's when the gutter talk starts.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-03 07:37 PM

No wonder democrats are such [kitties] about this.
#81 | Posted by eberly

There is zero doubt how this will turn out in every state controlled by the GOP. As noted in #56

Alabama Closes DMV Offices a Year After Voter ID Law Kicks in
What Effect Will Shuttering Alabama DMV Offices Have on Black Voters?
The state has a strict voter ID law, yet more than 30 offices, many of them across the "Black Belt," are set to close.
www.bloomberg.com
If you don't realize that, then you might be a fool or a MAGAt (Venn diagram in play).

#83 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-03 07:37 PM

(Venn diagram in play).
#83 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2025-09-03 07:37 PM | FLAG: "

Are you channeling Kamala? :-)

#84 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 07:41 PM

Are you channeling Kamala? :-)
#84 | Posted by BellRinger

Maybe. If she asked politely ...

#85 | Posted by censored at 2025-09-03 08:13 PM

He can sign that EO and tap dance and jerk it at the same time. That EO has no legal standing anywhere.

#86 | Posted by e1g1 at 2025-09-03 08:33 PM

#86 E1G1

Yep. You are 100% correct.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-03 08:38 PM

Republican Governors will enforce any EO Trump signs.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-03 10:07 PM

And he'll get away with it because it will be dragged out in court and killed by the supremes after he "wins" the electronic vote. He meant it when he said you'll never have to vote again.

#89 | Posted by 2020Rocks at 2025-09-03 10:10 PM

Good....I want to see mail-in voting banned except for absentee ballots.

It's necessary for integrity of future elections.

Transporting uncounted ballots is too risky.

Ballots are crucial to a democracy.

#90 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 08:18 AM

Good....I want to see mail-in voting banned except for absentee ballots.
It's necessary for integrity of future elections.
Transporting uncounted ballots is too risky.
Ballots are crucial to a democracy.
Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 08:18 AM | Reply

GFY BILLJOHNSON

#91 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-04 08:57 AM

"Transporting uncounted ballots is too risky."

How risky is that?
When have there been any incidents?
You can't quantify the risk.
For a guy who installed accounting software, that ought to be a Red Flag.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 10:23 AM

How risky is that?

About the same as getting killed in a car accident on the way to a polling station.

#93 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-04 10:46 AM

Snoofy,

Everytime a plane crashes.

What if it was carrying hundreds of thousands of uncounted ballots.

What then?

These ballots in questions would still be uncounted. Thats the problem.

Whatever method that is used to transport them is a weak link.

If you really care about preserving democracy, this is just as important as all the other things people complain about.

#94 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 11:05 AM

Snoofy,

Except absentee ballots which are necessary for some people.

#95 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 11:06 AM

Redial,

"About the same as getting killed in a car accident on the way to a polling station."

Ok 1 vote lost or maybe a car full.

Really...thats your comeback?

#96 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 11:08 AM

Whatever method that is used to transport them is a weak link.

If only there was a way to track a ballot like I can track a pair of socks I buy from Amazon.

Maybe they could put a tracking number on the ballot so the voter can see where it is, and if it gets counted?

#97 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-04 11:09 AM

Maybe they could put a tracking number on the ballot so the voter can see where it is, and if it gets counted?

#97 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Sorry I thought that was funny. Being that is exactly what they do here in California. I can track my ballot and can get a message when it reaches its final destination and is counted.

#98 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-04 11:22 AM

Really...thats your comeback?

#96 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Have you ever voted in the rain or the snow?

While there are no comprehensive statistics on accidents that occur on the way or at polling places themselves, such as slips, trips, or falls. (There should be) However, there are anecdotal reports of vehicles crashing into polling places.

Numerous studies have confirmed that snow, rain, and other bad weather conditions can slightly decrease voter turnout. The effect is generally marginal but can be significant in very close elections. However, the growing use of early and mail-in voting has lessened the impact of bad weather on overall turnout in recent years.

#99 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-04 11:27 AM

Funny how none of the rwingers whining about voting have been able to show that Voting Fraud is any sort of a problem at all that needs fixing.

It's almost like they are Cultists blindly following Orange Adolph around emptying his diapers on demand.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-04 11:36 AM

Corky,

"Have you ever voted in the rain or the snow?"

Poor baby...

If we have early voting you can wait until there's a better day.

#101 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 01:45 PM

Oh look.

BullJohnson is back to demonize senior citizens, people in the military, people who have jobs, and people who lack transportation.

What a deplorable Trumping MAGAt he is.

"It's not fair that all Americans get to vote! It should only be wealthy white men!"
-BullJohnson

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-04 01:48 PM

Donner,

"Maybe they could put a tracking number on the ballot so the voter can see where it is, and if it gets counted?"

And what if it comes up missing?

Now we have to reissue another ballot and then verify that the original doesn't show up.

That makes it more and more labor intensive. You have a build a ridiculous number of steps to accommodate all the possibilities.

Anything handled by humans is at risk of human error.

Nature of the beast.

Or....have early voting. You fill out a ballot and let it get read and counted before you leave the room.

Voila...done...you've voted.

#103 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 01:54 PM

Clown,

Damn...you're dense.

You're grouping people who may qualify for an absentee ballot with regular mail-in ballots.

#104 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 01:55 PM

Clown,

"It's not fair that all Americans get to vote! It should only be wealthy white men!"

Then I wouldn't get to vote.

Damn...you're dense.

You think anyone who understands the risks of mail-in ballots is automatically rich?

#105 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 01:57 PM

We've had mail in voting since 1775 without a problem. BillJohnson just doesn't want certain people voting is all this is. Typical voter suppression.

#106 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-04 02:00 PM

You think anyone who understands the risks of mail-in ballots is automatically rich?
#105 | POSTED BY BULLJOHNSON

Trumped to you about mail in ballots being risky and you've been repeating that lie ever since.

What a buffoon you are.

Keep wearing your ignorance on your sleeves!

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-04 02:01 PM

BillJohnson just doesn't want certain people voting is all this is. Typical voter suppression.
#106 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Precisely.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-04 02:02 PM

BillJohnson just doesn't want certain people voting is all this is. Typical voter suppression.
#106 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Which ones? Use your words so we can unmask your racism.

#109 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-04 02:04 PM

Laura,

"We've had mail in voting since 1775 without a problem"

Nice history lesson.

Now try multiplying that by 150 million voters and see if it still runs "without a problem."

#110 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:05 PM

"Which ones?"

Democrats.

"Use your words so we can unmask your racism."

Democrats is a Republican euphemism for n------.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 02:06 PM

Which ones? Use your words so we can unmask your racism.
#109 | POSTED BY ONEMUSHBRAIN

Oh look. Mush brain just doesn't get it.

How adorable.

Keep pretending you're and "open borders, liberal Chinese immigrant".

That was more entertaining.

#112 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-04 02:07 PM

I see that BS Johnson STILL has ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE at all that Voter Fraud is a problem in our Elections.

The conservative think tank Heritage came up with 1500 Possible Incidents in over 3 Billion votes over several decades... and most were in person, not mail in.

But hey, Cultists believe Dear Leader's Lies over facts every time.

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-04 02:08 PM

Snoofy,

You mean "nitwit"?

#114 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:09 PM

Now try multiplying that by 150 million voters and see if it still runs "without a problem."
#110 | Posted by BillJohnson

It still does.
Show us where there have been problems.
You can't show us because you're lying.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 02:09 PM

Corky,

Damn....you're dense.

Who used the word "fraud"?

#116 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:10 PM

You mean "nitwit"?
#114 | Posted by BillJohnson

Lazy people with low IQ who commit half the crimes.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 02:10 PM

Snoofy,

"Show us where there have been problems."

When did I talk about past elections in this thread?

I clearly was referring to future elections.

#118 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:12 PM

And what if it comes up missing? Now we have to reissue another ballot and then verify that the original doesn't show up.

Yep. That's pretty much what they do.

#119 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-04 02:13 PM

"I clearly was referring to future elections."

What evidence do you have that there will be problems in the future?
You can't show us because you're lying.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 02:14 PM

Snoofy,

"Lazy people with low IQ who commit half the crimes"

You're digging yourself in deeper.

I hear a dog whistle.

Listen...

#121 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:15 PM

Someone made a video for you, BJ... if you can put down your autographed Trump bible long enough:

www.youtube.com

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-04 02:16 PM

Listen...
#121 | Posted by BillJohnson

You're changing the subject because you're completely unable to defend your claims.
There is no evidence or reason to think that mail-in voting isn't working and won't keep working.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 02:17 PM

Redial,

"Yep. That's pretty much what they do."

Labor intensive, higher risk of errors or mishandling.

Multiple that by over a million ballots and all the offices that may not have exactly the same procedures.

#124 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:22 PM

Multiple that by over a million ballots

You think a million ballots get lost in the mail?

#125 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-04 02:24 PM

Solving problems that don't exist is a REALLY Cultist thing.

#126 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-04 02:25 PM

Redial,

And they are f****** uncounted!

If you chose to use your brain, you'd get it.

#127 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:25 PM

Multiple that by over a million ballots and all the offices that may not have exactly the same procedures.
#124 | Posted by BillJohnson

How much mail gets delivered in one day?

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 02:25 PM

Quick question:

Dropping a ballot in a ballot drop box next to the mailbox, is that as insecure as mailing a ballot via the mailbox?

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 02:27 PM

Redial,

"Every ballot is sacred
Every ballot is great
If a ballot is wasted
God gets quite irate"

Courtesy of Monty Python.

#130 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:29 PM

Good....I want to see mail-in voting banned except for absentee ballots.

It's necessary for integrity of future elections.

#90 | Posted by BillJohnson

You swallow every lie they feed you.

It never harmed the integrity of past elections, so why should it harm the integrity of future elections?

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-04 02:41 PM

Speak,

"You swallow every lie they feed you.
It never harmed the integrity of past elections, so why should it harm the integrity of future elections"

I was saying the same kind of stuff a month before the 2020 election.

And sure...no harm caused...unless you count a mob storming the Capitol because they were convinced the election's integrity was bogus.

Regardless how they got the idea, it was believable due to the mail-in ballots.

Sooner or later...there will come another election where mail-in ballots are the catalyst that sets off suspicion all over again.

#132 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:56 PM

elections"
I was saying the same kind of stuff a month before the 2020 election.
And sure...no harm caused...unless you count a mob storming the Capitol because they were convinced the election's integrity was bogus.
Regardless how they got the idea, it was believable due to the mail-in ballots.
Sooner or later...there will come another election where mail-in ballots are the catalyst that sets off suspicion all over again.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 02:56 PM | Reply

You're just two brain cells that are trying to fight for third place. You're a dishonest hack job. Nothing more.

#133 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-04 02:59 PM

Wanna talk about voter fraud?

What did Trump mean when he thanked Elon Musk for hacking the voting machines in Pennsylvania?

#134 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-04 03:15 PM

Elon Musk is hacking voting machines in Pennsylvania and BullJohnson is crying because his wife stole his mailing ballot and voted for him.

How many times has she beat you up, Bill? Should we call domestic abuse?

#135 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-04 03:19 PM

Clown,

"Wanna talk about voter fraud?"

Not particularly.

#136 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 03:20 PM

" no harm caused...unless you count a mob storming the Capitol because they were convinced the election's integrity was bogus."

It's been five years, and still ZERO proof it was bogus.

When will you admit the problem was THE LIE?

#137 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 03:21 PM

"Wanna talk about voter fraud?"

Not particularly.

How about the fact it's been five years, and still NO ONE has come forward with ANY proof of fraud other than the garden-variety we see in every election?

#138 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 03:25 PM

And they are f****** uncounted!

So you actually DO think a million ballots get lost in the mail? There is little evidence to support that.

From what I have read, around 1% of mail in ballots are not counted, for a number of reasons. Getting lost in the mail is not one of them.

#139 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-04 03:35 PM

Redial,

I'm not talking about this with you any further.

Either you don't get it or won't get it.

#140 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 03:54 PM

I'm not talking about this with you any further.

I'm surprised it took you this long to bail out.

#141 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-04 03:56 PM

Redial,
I'm not talking about this with you any further.
Either you don't get it or won't get it.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 03:54 PM | Reply

Translation: BillJohnson can't refute anything Redial says so he will take the ball and go back home. Typical BillJohnson.

#142 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-04 04:02 PM

And sure...no harm caused...unless you count a mob storming the Capitol because they were convinced the election's integrity was bogus.

#132 | Posted by BillJohnson

Convinced by who? and based on what evidence?

Should we form all our policies around the lies of a con man?

#143 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-04 04:04 PM

Dan,

"it's been five years"

America has a lot more elections ahead after you and I are both gone.

You're thinking small.

Five years is proof? Proof of what?

I'm thinking decades from now.

Mail-in ballots in their current state are insane. That is excluding legitimate absentee ballots not being misused.

There will be advances in voting technology. Hopefully bright non-partial minds will keep America on solid ground.

#144 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 04:09 PM

"There is little evidence to support that."

More important, there is NO evidence supporting that.

If that was actually happening, you'd have scores of folks (who confirm their votes) squawking.

The fact NOBODY came forward is VERY TELLING.

#145 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:13 PM

Laura,

"BillJohnson can't refute anything Redial says so he will take the ball and go back home. Typical BillJohnson."

At least my usual comeback isnt GFY.

I mean....talk about not having anything to say.

#146 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 04:16 PM

Jesus Christ just shoot me and put me out of my misery. We've been over this for years now. Nothing bad happened. Try to be a honest broker BillJohnson. Please

#147 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-04 04:17 PM

"There is little evidence to support that."

You've had 30 years to find the problems with Oregon. You couldn't find ONE.

You've had 155 years to find problems with military voting. You still haven't produced ANY.

"Five years is proof? Proof of what?"

ANY fraud beyond the garden-variety of voting for a deceased relative.

And try ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE years. Where are the examples of fraudulent voting by the military??? Where are the complaints ANYONE's vote was swiped???

The fact is, if it was happening on ANY scale, witnesses would be coming out of the woodwork, ESPECIALLY after a close election.

"Mail-in ballots in their current state are insane."

Prove it.

AT LONG LAST, provide ONE SCINTILLA of proof for your statement.

#148 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:21 PM

Dan.

"there is NO evidence supporting that."

And there is no evidence a plane or truck won't get destroyed in the future carrying f****** uncounted ballots either.

But there is evidence planes crash and vehicles catch fire and burn up.

#149 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 04:23 PM

"You're thinking small."

I'm thinking if your theory was right, AT LEAST ONE person would've come forward.

The fact NO ONE has EVER claimed your theory PROVES it didn't happen, especially if NO ONE has come forward after 5 years. Or 30 years. Or 155 years.

#150 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:24 PM

- I'm thinking decades from now.

You are so full of ----.... the next lucid thought you have will be your first.

#151 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-04 04:25 PM

Mail-in ballots in their current state are insane.
- billy

Pretty much what Carter said but with a little less grace.

#152 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-04 04:26 PM

#151 no you are.

#153 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-04 04:26 PM

" there is no evidence a plane or truck won't get destroyed in the future"

Who delivers votes by plane?

And if that were to happen, the follow-up would be relatively easy, since all the boxed votes would be known, since they all have serial numbers attached to that particular ballot.

" there is no evidence a plane or truck won't get destroyed in the future"

Just like there is evidence whose ballots were being transported.

Still NO EVIDENCE, just cockamamie theories.

#154 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:26 PM

"And there is no evidence a plane or truck won't get destroyed in the future carrying f****** uncounted ballots either."

There's no evidence there won't be mass bombings at the polling places, destroying all the uncounted ballots cast that day.

Therefore, mail-in ballots are safer.

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 04:27 PM

At least my usual comeback isnt GFY.
- billy

Let me guess, donorbot?

#156 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-04 04:27 PM

Try to be a honest broker BillJohnson.

He thinks 100,000 ballots will be lost in a plane crash. How exactly would that scenario come about?

Is Bastrop County shipping it's ballots to Sri Lanka for counting?

#157 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-04 04:27 PM

Nothing bad happened.
- lorimoreorkess

Nothing bad happens 99% of the time.

We aren't worried about that, it's the 1%. And especially those with nefarious intentions.

Banks have vaults for a reason.

#158 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-04 04:30 PM

Dan,

"And try ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE years. Where are the examples of fraudulent voting by the military??? Where are the complaints ANYONE's vote was swiped???"

Fraud?

Have I said fraud in this thread

I don't need to, to make my point.

Ok...we'll bring back the old tried and true way.

How many horses you figure we'll need?

#159 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 04:30 PM

He thinks 100,000 ballots will be lost in a plane crash. How exactly would that scenario come about?
- dialAgain

Trumps FAA?

#160 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-04 04:30 PM

Where are the examples of fraudulent voting by the military???
- who knows

Absentee ballots have a chain of custody.

The difference between absentee and mail in is night and day.

#161 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-04 04:32 PM

Now, let's discuss the ways in-person voting can be affected:

Fewer polling places for "some" voters
Longer lines
Limits on assisting those in long lines
Bus lines down, or running slowly
Construction on thruways
Extra speedtraps on thruways
Armed guards at polling places
Shortened hours to mirror bankers' hours
Extra requirements, like a BC from an elderly born in a rural hospital
Denial of no-excuse absentee ballots

Quick question for all:
Should it be made HARDER or EASIER for the legal voter to cast a legal vote?

#162 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:32 PM

"Have I said fraud in this thread"

If ballots are being misused or stolen, that's fraud.

#163 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:33 PM

"Absentee ballots have a chain of custody."

So do mail-in ballots. They're watermarked, and serial-numbered.

Where are the victims of your theory? If you were correct, they'd be coming out of the woodwork. Why zero, especially after five years???

#164 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:35 PM

"The difference between absentee and mail in is night and day."

Where's your proof?

Again, if your theory was correct, you'd have mountains of proof, with scores of examples.

Link or stink.

#165 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:36 PM

Snoofy,

"There's no evidence there won't be mass bombings at the polling places, destroying all the uncounted ballots cast that day."

Well...I guess you're talking about people standing at a voting station filling out their ballot, when they got blowed up.

How many stations in most places? 20?

#166 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 04:36 PM

Dan,

"Link or stink"

Link or stink or think.

I fixed that for you. You're welcome.

#167 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 04:39 PM

The solution seems pretty simple. If you don't trust the mail with your ballot, don't mail it. If others are ok with using the mail for their ballots, mind your own business.

#168 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-04 04:42 PM

Dan,

"Should it be made HARDER or EASIER for the legal voter to cast a legal vote?"

Easier.

That's the reason I believe all states should be required to offer early voting.

Depending on the precinct, some would offer fewer available days.

#169 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-04 04:45 PM

" ... or think."

I think if it was happening to tens of thousands of people, AT LEAST ONE would come forward.

I'm thinking math, statistics, and human nature.

I'm also thinking you're a coward for not admitting you don't have a single iota of proof, even after 155 years of examples.

#170 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:49 PM

" Easier"

Interesting.

In the past, you've admitted you didn't want it easier.

I guess that was just for "certain" people.

#171 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-04 04:50 PM

Redial,

You must be forgetting the conservative tenet which demands everyone else behave exactly as they do.

It's why so many republicans are racist xenophobes, they can't abide people looking different than they do.

Can't look different, talk different, dress different, think different, pray to a different God, eat a different meal, like a different song, read a different book ...

Conservatives demand homogeny.

#172 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-04 04:51 PM

Well...I guess you're talking about people standing at a voting station filling out their ballot
#166 | Posted by BillJohnson

No I'm talking about all the physical ballots that have been collected at the polling places being lost up when the polling places are blown up.

There's no evidence polling places won't get blown up.

#173 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 04:54 PM

Republicans hate fair elections:

"Ballots set on fire in three states as Election Day approaches"
OCTOBER 28, 2024

www.npr.org

www.fbi.gov

#174 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-04 05:02 PM

"Voter Fraud!" is the Distraction for people who aren't Distracted Enough by, "Transgender!" or "Abortion!" or "Cat Eating Immigrants"!.

ALL made up Fantasy for the Cult of Trump to distract from his past pedophilia and his current subversion of the US economy and it's place as a world leader.

Also to distract from his tripling his net worth since he's been in Office.

It's too bad that Moderates are a nearly extinct breed now... all we have here are far rwing Cultists to Distract us from important news to this kind of total BS.

#175 | Posted by Corky at 2025-09-04 05:17 PM

republicans attack mail in ballots to make people lose trust in them, and then say we need to ban them because people dont trust them.

Create imaginary problem, sell fascist solution.

#176 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-04 05:38 PM

Republicans have been solving imaginary problems in the US since about 1980.

#177 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-04 05:39 PM

There's no evidence polling places won't get blown up.

#173 | Posted by snoofy

BINGO.

This is exactly the argument. According to moron billjohnson's logic, In person voting should be banned because polling places are potential targets for terrorist attacks. Sure it's never happened, but it could, and it's not worth the risk.

Right billyboy?

#178 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-04 05:39 PM

All the moderates are center to center right democrats now.

#179 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-04 05:40 PM

snoofy is calling for blowing up polling places!

-gacy amazed

#180 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-09-04 05:41 PM

Right billyboy?

#178 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-04 05:39 PM

WTF? Do not use my name in vain!

I am an entirely different kind of POS than BillJohnson.

#181 | Posted by billy_boy at 2025-09-04 07:12 PM

"All the moderates are center to center right democrats now."

Hp[efully with gppg, strong gns campaigns wt have too mant if those. I think with the currebt changes ib theworld that America is going to need cltlzens who aren't wishy washy about Putin....like Trump is!

#182 | Posted by danni at 2025-09-04 07:59 PM

""There's no evidence there won't be mass bombings at the polling places, destroying all the uncounted ballots cast that day."
That statement is meaningless. How can there be evidence that something won't happen?

#183 | Posted by danni at 2025-09-04 11:37 PM

That's right Danni!
That's the point I'm making.
How can BillJohnson use this as an argument:
"And there is no evidence a plane or truck won't get destroyed in the future carrying f****** uncounted ballots either."

#184 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-04 11:43 PM

Snoofy,

"How can BillJohnson use this as an argument"

Because I'm right.

While we're waiting on a better voting system to come along, for now the only secure, trusted record keeping method is in person voting scanning ballots on the spot.

Early voting is an adequate solution to provide voter access.

Showing ID is a must. Get one. They're free.

No voter suppression.

#185 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 01:03 AM

"for now the only secure, trusted record keeping method is in person voting scanning ballots on the spot."

You don't have any evidence to support that claim.

#186 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-05 01:18 AM

You don't have any evidence to support that claim.

Or law, for that matter. But I suppose that's what Lewzer is working on. A 'temporary' law by dictate.

#187 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-09-05 01:28 AM

" ID is a must. Get one. They're free."

Now do a 90 yr old woman born in a rural hospital which doesn't exist any more, who never had a birth certificate to begin with.

Fact is, EVERY new requirement suppresses more legal votes than prevents illegal ones.

Every. Damned. One.

#188 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-05 02:49 AM

" the only secure, trusted record keeping method is in person"

That's the easiest to manipulate, in many different ways.

Why shouldn't EVERY voter decide how he or she wants to vote? What business it it of yours, unless your business is to PREVENT certain people from voting?

You CLAIMED you want it easier for the legal voter to cast a legal vote. What's easier than allowing the voter to participate how they choose?

#189 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-09-05 02:53 AM

Because I'm right.
While we're waiting on a better voting system to come along, for now the only secure, trusted record keeping method is in person voting scanning ballots on the spot.
Early voting is an adequate solution to provide voter access.
Showing ID is a must. Get one. They're free.
No voter suppression.

#185 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 01:03 AM | Reply

You lie like a rug.

#190 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-05 03:13 AM

EVERY new requirement suppresses more legal votes than prevents illegal ones.

Well. That's really the purpose of new requirements. Now isn't it.

Also. BullShhtJohnson is nothing more than a troll who knows he'll get attention by posting the same debunked lies as he has since 2020.

It's just rinse and repeat with that brainwashed idiot.

#191 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-05 03:51 AM

Here's what election tampering looks like:

Trump continued, "[Elon Musk] knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers, those vote-counting computers, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So, it was pretty good, it was pretty good. So, thank you to Elon."

www.yahoo.com

The only reason Trump won in 2024 is because Elon Musk made sure of it.

#192 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-09-05 03:58 AM

"the only secure, trusted record keeping method is in person"

Everybody votes in-person. When I vote by mail, I vote in-person, in the security of my own living room.

Your claim makes no sense. And you can't even be bothered to defend it.

#193 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-05 05:22 AM

Snoofy,

"Your claim makes no sense"

Do you keep a ballot scanner in your living room to watch your vote get counted in real time?

Of course not. Once it leaves your hands, it disappears into a process you can't observe.

The trouble is, you can't see past your nose, both physically and conceptually.

#194 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 10:58 AM

Do you keep a ballot scanner in your living room to watch your vote get counted in real time?

Could this nonsense get any dumber?

Do you keep an election office in your living room? That's where votes are counted in real time.

A "ballot scanner" is not the final destination of your vote.

#195 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-05 11:18 AM

Donner,

"A "ballot scanner" is not the final destination of your vote."

After my ballot is read on a scanner when done at a voting center, are you saying my vote isn't recorded?

Or are you referring to the sdcard it was stored on?

If you are referring to the professes involved in collecting all the digital data, that's a far cry from transporting paper ballots in planes, trucks or whatever.

#196 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 12:52 PM

Re 196

Seriously?
Some ballots are counted at the polling place and some are transported to a central location. Regardless the "data" still has to physically move as the internet cannot be used.

Which do you think is "safer" to transport data?

The post office transporting this data or some person who gets hired once every four years to transport the ballots.

So how do YOU think the "data" gets from the scanner to the election office where they will be totaled.

After polls close, local officials collect ballots from polling places and transport them (in planes, trucks or whatever) to a central location for tabulation. State-level authorities then aggregate and certify these results.

.

#197 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-09-05 01:12 PM

While we're waiting on a better voting system to come along, for now the only secure, trusted record keeping method is in person voting scanning ballots on the spot.

#185 | Posted by BillJohnson

You've provided zero evidence that mail in voting isn't secure. The only reason it isn't trusted is because liars brainwashed morons like you into thinking it's not safe.

#198 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-05 01:54 PM

Donner,

You got me there.

I did more research and uncounted ballots at polling stations travel with mail-in ballots.

Might as well use mail-in ballots.

Permit and encourage ballot harvesting.

May the best party win that runs the best ballot harvesting campaign.

#199 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 02:33 PM

Permit and encourage ballot harvesting.

May the best party win that runs the best ballot harvesting campaign.

#199 | Posted by BillJohnson

I love how fascists have tried to make voting scandalous by calling it HARVESTING. And of course you're hear parroting their language like a trained pet.

#200 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-05 02:44 PM

Donner,

Start a new trend.

Ballot collection day.

People can walk around neighborhoods collecting them from people and if they don't have one, be ready to hand one out pushing your own candidate.

Republicans can work the white neighborhoods and Democrats could work all the others and the homeless encampments.

Would that be satisfactory to give America what it deserves?

#201 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 02:47 PM

Would that be satisfactory to give America what it deserves?

#201 | Posted by BillJohnson

If no one is committing crimes and falsely filling out or destroying ballots, where is the problem?

#202 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-05 03:32 PM

Speak,

"If no one is committing crimes and falsely filling out or destroying ballots, where is the problem?"

How do you know?

Nobody fessed up?

#203 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 04:06 PM

I will be voting by mail for the foreseeable future. Since getting out is becoming harder for me to do.

#204 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-09-05 04:10 PM

Laura,

What name do you vote under?

Just curious?

#205 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 04:26 PM

Speak,

"If no one is committing crimes and falsely filling out or destroying ballots, where is the problem?"

How do you know?

Nobody fessed up?

#203 | Posted by BillJohnson

Because all trumpy's horses and all of trumpy's men couldn't put trumpy's claims of election fraud back together again.

#206 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-05 04:35 PM

People can walk around neighborhoods collecting them from people and if they don't have one, be ready to hand one out pushing your own candidate.
- bill

This is already done.

Plenty of videos where people are dumping 100s of ballots in ballot boxes.

#207 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-09-05 04:44 PM

One,

Yea...I know

Time for Republicans to get with the program.

#208 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-09-05 04:47 PM

BillJohnson,

Tell us any differences between your fears and the election theft allegations in "2000 Mules."

#209 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-05 05:09 PM

Plenty of videos where people are dumping 100s of ballots in ballot boxes.

#207 | Posted by oneironaut

Oh my god!! Hundreds of people were allowed to vote??! How are the billionaires going to keep control of the country??!

#210 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-09-05 05:19 PM

Plenty of videos where people are dumping 100s of ballots in ballot boxes.
#207 | Posted by oneironaut

Like one of those claw machines at the mall?

#211 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-09-05 05:21 PM

Plenty of videos where people are dumping 100s of ballots in ballot boxes.

#207 | Posted by oneironaut

Not that you can find any of these videos or that they could be introduced in court or any witnesses can be produced.

But hey, you keep believing...like the stupid sucker you are.

#212 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-09-05 05:22 PM

Plenty of videos where people are dumping 100s of ballots in ballot boxes.
#207 | POSTED BY ONETRUMPER

Feel free to provide links.

This is where OneLump disappears.

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